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Title: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Atlas on September 20, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
http://www.hybridstates.com/2010/05/food-consumption-under-satans-administration-and-israeli-siege/

Nutritional planning in Gaza

What about Gaza?  After an Israeli NGO named Gisha sued the Israeli government under freedom of information legislation in order to find out exactly what is allowed for import into Gaza, and why, we now have a much better picture of Israeli siege planning.  In particular, the court case surfaced four documents that describe the details of Israel’s siege, which is considered a “central pillar in the means at the disposal of the State of Israel in the armed conflict between it and Hamas.”  The documents lay out details about how goods requests are processed, how shortages in Gaza are monitored, and the list of approved goods.

The fourth document, of primary importance here, is titled “Food Consumption in the Gaza Strip – Red Lines,” and it establishes what Israel considers to be the minimum caloric intake needed Gaza’s 1.5 million inhabitants, according to their age and sex.  Thus, Israeli planners have given careful consideration to the minimum amount of calories to be allowed in to Gaza to simultaneously serve as a weapon against Hamas, to attain Netanyahu’s strategy of “no prosperity, no development, no humanitarian crisis” but still ensure the Palestinians get on a diet, in Dov Weisglass’ “joking” words (“It’s like a meeting with a dietitian. We need to make the Palestinians lose weight, but not to starve to death.”).

The Israeli government argued in the court case that releasing the specific numbers of calories, and the goods lists (which include terrorist goods like coriander, crayons, and pasta), would damage national security, so we do not know the exact numbers for comparative purposes.

What we do know comes from two main sources. The first, the Gaza Gateway project, charts goods entering versus goods needed; typically allowances comprise between 25% and 33% of estimated daily need for Gaza’s 1.5 million residents. We also know from the IDF spokesperson (via the IDF Twitter feed: @IDFSpokesperson) the daily amount of goods they allow into Gaza.  Let’s take yesterday to be our random day.  According to the IDF tweet, 109 truckloads were allowed to enter (this is very, very close to the mean over all days, and is thus representative of average daily allowances) with 1,853 tons of humanitarian aid.

Now, how to compare?  Well, let’s be as generous as possible to the IDF.  Let’s assume all these tons of aid have no packaging and so every single gram aid has caloric value (to humans); this is, of course, an absurdly strong assumption that works in the favor of the IDF’s “benevolence.”  Under this assumption, then, the IDF yesterday let in almost 2 billion grams of food—1,681,000,000 grams to be exact.  For every individual in Gaza, therefore, the IDF allowed in about 1,120 grams of food.

Of course, our assumptions were stringent and unrealistic, so the real quantity of food is probably very much lower.  We know from an IMF study that “75 percent of the population has been forced to reduce the quantity of food they buy, while 89 percent reduced the quality.“  But we cannot calculate calories because Israel won’t tell us what it allows in.  Making these numbers even more unrealistic is the fact that this humanitarian aid includes shelters (from international agencies, foreign governments, and NGOs) and other non-edible items; this also means the amount of food is lower.  If we assume that only one quarter of the humanitarian aid is non-edible, then we are left with something like 840 grams of food per person in Gaza. This is a reasonable upper bound on possible, per-capita nutritional allowances for Gaza.

This (admittedly rough) estimate suggests that Israel allows Gazans to consume (at most) about 40% more grams of food than the Nazis did their Auschwitz laborers.  So generous!

The lavish humanitarianism illustrated by Israel’s Gaza policy is the final, definitive proof that critics of the Gaza siege are anti-Semites, as far as I am concerned.  Israel’s siege differs from Auschwitz’s nutritional policy by 40%!  Time for the critics to shut their mouths.

Or not. As long as you have scientists and military officials sit down to determine the lowest possible caloric intake you can provide to an imprisoned population, and then write policy documents explaining your methods, you are culpable for such comparisons, hyperbolic or not.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: knight22 on September 20, 2012, 11:26:02 PM
OMFG! What a bunch of Nazis! :o

Why is America allied with these bastards? >:(

Because America is a bunch of Nazis too!


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: vampire on September 21, 2012, 12:09:07 AM
The article is a load of BS. The numbers are taken out of their asses. But let's not forget that today there are no restrictions on food.

US government calculates a daily calorie intake too... It's on every on box.

How many Palestinians died from hunger?

/crickets

Now read on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Charlie Prime on September 21, 2012, 01:45:01 PM
Maybe they're sick of the vicious on-line arguments with apoplectic Israeli nationalists? And maybe the media makes it worse by suppressing these hideous crimes against humanity?

Both.

It really all boils down to one group of people who believe themselves to be the Master Race.

Animals like you and I do not possess a fully human soul.  Our souls are more like those of intelligent animals.  That's why it's morally acceptable to predate us.



Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: hashman on September 22, 2012, 02:35:57 PM
Maybe they're sick of the vicious on-line arguments with apoplectic Israeli nationalists? And maybe the media makes it worse by suppressing these hideous crimes against humanity?

Both.

It really all boils down to one group of people who believe themselves to be the Master Race.

Animals like you and I do not possess a fully human soul.  Our souls are more like those of intelligent animals.  That's why it's morally acceptable to predate us.



Nah, nobody really believes that.  If you are alive and able to talk or read a few basic symbols, you are too smart to really believe that 1) separate bloodlines exist (obviously they don't) or that 2) it would make any difference if they did (obviously it doesn't).

However, if you are suffering from one of many very common mental illnesses commonly passed on to children via abuse, you might want to pretend that you believe such bullshit because it lets you 1) continue being unhappy and 2) work to make other people unhappy.   



Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: stochastic on September 22, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
A one state solution of Israel-Palestine is the only real viable solution.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Grinder on September 22, 2012, 06:30:23 PM
A one state solution of Israel-Palestine is the only real viable solution.
I hope you're not serious?


Title: allowed caloric intake for Palestinians
Post by: mai77 on April 07, 2013, 05:20:38 PM
http://www.picturehost.eu/uploads/f95db2c1eda17ce22a37fd1f695c6121_swas hit.jpg


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: vampire on April 07, 2013, 10:09:35 PM
There once was a Jewish Man.

A man known as Lazar Kaganovich.

He was also known as the wolf of the Kremlin.

He once came up with a dastardly plan.

A plan that was designed to make the "Bread Basket" of Europe, Ukraine submit.


He wanted them to submit to Communism.
Meh that's retarded. Ukraine  was already soviet


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: mai77 on April 07, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
what happened to Kaganovich later?


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: antibanker on April 08, 2013, 02:07:37 PM
well the jews like to persecute foreign POWs who had really much of a choice: to die or to follow the Germans.

they say, every POW should have stood up against the Germans in 1940 by means of force to avoid prosecution in 2010.

that is the justice system, that the Americans favour. cool.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Jobe7 on April 08, 2013, 07:30:34 PM
I never knew about the Jewish state in Russia.. very interesting


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Charlie Prime on March 19, 2014, 01:49:32 PM
Nah, nobody really believes that.

Read some Bible and see.  Especially the first part.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Bonam on March 20, 2014, 06:02:28 PM
"Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians."

How about Palestinians... oh I don't know... maybe grow their own food on the territory that they claim as their sovereign state? Israel has no occupying forces in Gaza and does not interfere with peaceful economic activity in the territory. Gaza is on the Mediterranean coast and therefore has access to the sea, and also has plentiful solar and wind resources for energy. A people interested in improving their own lives could do so, and quite easily, if they did not waste their time building ineffectual rockets to lob at Israel. It is not and should not be Israel's responsibility to provide food to Gaza, period.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Charlie Prime on March 20, 2014, 06:34:58 PM
It's somewhat difficult to grow a garden when Stormtroopers keep bull-dozing down your house.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: renfr on March 20, 2014, 06:49:35 PM
Quote
I mean  come on, the Jews are dragging Germans who need a wheel chair as they're on life support into courts.
Because they're old men means that they don't have to pay for their crimes?

So much BS in your reasoning.
I don't even talk about the rest of your post which is mere blatant antisemitic crap.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: renfr on March 20, 2014, 06:54:24 PM
It's somewhat difficult to grow a garden when Stormtroopers keep bull-dozing down your house.
It's somewhat difficult to establish peace with a terrorist state backed by so-called "peace activist" organizations.

The so-called peace activists :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwxIaqoMpU

Antizionism is a codeword for antisemitism.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Bonam on March 20, 2014, 06:56:24 PM
It's somewhat difficult to grow a garden when Stormtroopers keep bull-dozing down your house.

When was the last time Israel bulldozed anything in Gaza? The use of the term "stormtroopers" here seems intended to be purely offensive and adds nothing to the debate.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: Bonam on March 20, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
Quote
I mean  come on, the Jews are dragging Germans who need a wheel chair as they're on life support into courts.
Because they're old men means that they don't have to pay for their crimes?

So much BS in your reasoning.
I don't even talk about the rest of your post which is mere blatant antisemitic crap.

Indeed, justice does not have an expiration date. War criminals can and should still be prosecuted even if they've eluded capture for decades.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: JunkieMiner on March 23, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
It looks like bunches of Nazis are everywhere!


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: zolace on April 04, 2014, 04:22:09 PM
They are testing the level of despair, humiliation and punishment that people under occupation are willing to put up with, including subjecting innocent children to starvation resulting in chronic malnutrition and stunted growth.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 04, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar are some of the richest nations in the world. Why can't they offer citizenship to the Palestinians and solve this problem? Anyway the Arab nations expelled millions of Jews from their land during the 1950s and the 1960s. Israel is the only Jewish country in the world, and I don't want the Arabs to take it over using their high birth rate.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: john641 on April 08, 2014, 05:27:34 AM
Looks like living in nazi camp.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: AtomTom on April 08, 2014, 11:40:21 AM
There once was a Jewish Man.

A man known as Lazar Kaganovich.

He was also known as the wolf of the Kremlin.

He once came up with a dastardly plan.

A plan that was designed to make the "Bread Basket" of Europe, Ukraine submit.


He wanted them to submit to Communism.
Ukraine was first thing that come to my main when I was reading this topic.

I'm not the biggest fan of putting all responsibility on one person or one nation/ethnicity. If humankind could react everyone is responsible for it.


Title: Re: Israel calculates a daily allowed caloric intake for Palestinians.
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 08, 2014, 12:26:30 PM
Looks like living in nazi camp.

May be. But they do have the option of migrating to the other Arab nations.