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Title: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 11:49:02 AM We vote no to end with this scam currencies "euro"
We Vote OXI - NO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1I_VGP4gFY Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: freemind1 on July 05, 2015, 12:04:03 PM Freedom for Greece! Greetings from Spain.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 12:13:11 PM We Vote NO - OXI
https://avantgarde2009.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/1345_02.jpg fuck you Soible, Yuncker, Soultz all of them are sacmmer with their scam altcoin euro Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 12:19:11 PM In less than 12 hours time, we will get to know the results. 3 out of the 5 latest opinion polls predict a YES win. But I really hope that they vote for NO (Όχι). A YES vote means even more austerity, and indirect slavery to the troika as a result of it. The Greeks should not surrender their sovereignty to anyone else. VOTE NO!
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: cryptocoiner on July 05, 2015, 12:48:56 PM We vote no to end with this scam currencies "euro" We Vote OXI - NO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1I_VGP4gFY LOL, one country less in a European Union then. It will be interesting to watch how European Union's autoryties will deal with that. It will be a problem for eu. Euro may continue falling. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 12:49:36 PM who cares.. we have bitcoin :P
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 01:02:23 PM LOL, one country less in a European Union then. It will be interesting to watch how European Union's autoryties will deal with that. It will be a problem for eu. Euro may continue falling. How you can be sure that the Grexit will not trigger a chain reaction? If the Greeks default on loans (and suffer no serious consequences as a result of it), then what stops Spain and Portugal from doing the same? It all depends on how Germany handles this situation. If Greece leaves the Eurozone and survives on its own, then it will encourage the other indebted EU members to doing the same. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 01:04:45 PM Hadn't realised it's today, might have to watch BBC live to see the results, knowing the idiots who vote these people in it's probably going to be a yes.
We're just going to have to wait until the results come in at night, just saw it on the news. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 01:45:05 PM Hadn't realised it's today, might have to watch BBC live to see the results, knowing the idiots who vote these people in it's probably going to be a yes. I am not sure whether BBC will cover the live results or not. Anyway, the polling will be over by 07:00 pm Greek time (5 pm in England). By British time 5:30 pm or so, the initial trends will be clear. We will be getting a clear result by 7 pm British time. I am hopeful of a NO vote. Yesterday, I was watching the rallies (by both the YES camp and the NO camp) on RT, and it was clear that the one by the NO camp was the bigger one out of the two. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Frider on July 05, 2015, 01:57:10 PM I saw in TV that the ballot paper have to be marked with a cross, not an "X". If they write an X vote is invalid. Someone know if is this true?
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 02:04:30 PM Hadn't realised it's today, might have to watch BBC live to see the results, knowing the idiots who vote these people in it's probably going to be a yes. I am not sure whether BBC will cover the live results or not. Anyway, the polling will be over by 07:00 pm Greek time (5 pm in England). By British time 5:30 pm or so, the initial trends will be clear. We will be getting a clear result by 7 pm British time. I am hopeful of a NO vote. Yesterday, I was watching the rallies (by both the YES camp and the NO camp) on RT, and it was clear that the one by the NO camp was the bigger one out of the two. Yeah but that happened with the Scottish referendum where the No side was clearly more energetic and persuasive but then Westminister pulled the old bait and switch and said if they'd vote yes they'd give the scottish parliament more powers and we all know how that went. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 02:50:54 PM According to Tim Franks of the BBC, the NO vote seems to be ahead as of 5 pm local time.
https://twitter.com/BBCTimFranks/status/617692276115042305 Tim Franks: Greek journos tell us No vote seems in front with 2 hrs till polls close. So, should we prepare for Grexit? The first exit polls will be out in one hour from now. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 03:35:18 PM Please let it be a no vote :D I want to see Bitcoin at $500 :P
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Xialla on July 05, 2015, 03:39:20 PM Please let it be a no vote :D I want to see Bitcoin at $500 :P this NO will not be just amazing push for bitcoin (I hope at least.) but also for Greece itself, because they will finally stop being funded by Germany.. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 03:46:21 PM Please let it be a no vote :D I want to see Bitcoin at $500 :P Lethn, the first exit polls will be out in 15 minutes time. Stay tuned to RT / CNN / BBC. As per the BBC, we will be having the announcement of the official results by 9:30 pm Greek time (7:30 pm British time). Here is the official website of the Greek electoral commission, where the live results will be published: http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en And once again, good luck to all the Bitcoin margin traders! Pocket some hefty profit guys! Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 04:58:23 PM Thanks for the link, that's going to be more reliable than the BBC I should probably stick to CNBC/RT because the BBC have been getting worse and worse lately.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 05:05:38 PM The first official results will be released by 9:30 pm Greek time (7:30 pm British time). By that time, 30% of the votes will be counted, and these figures will give us a clear trend. BTW, the voter turnout was exceptionally high, probably crossing the 70% mark. And meanwhile, all the exit polls are giving advantage to a NO vote.
http://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/7/5/1436115210345/2105daec-2b4f-457f-88b0-f98f7b77c16e-620x345.png?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=4292281c95927f02d6c6f493b954e078 Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 05:12:48 PM Latest official result is
59% NO 40% Yes Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: redsn0w on July 05, 2015, 05:13:19 PM Please let it be a no vote :D I want to see Bitcoin at $500 :P Lethn, the first exit polls will be out in 15 minutes time. Stay tuned to RT / CNN / BBC. As per the BBC, we will be having the announcement of the official results by 9:30 pm Greek time (7:30 pm British time). Here is the official website of the Greek electoral commission, where the live results will be published: http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en And once again, good luck to all the Bitcoin margin traders! Pocket some hefty profit guys! Woow, thanks for the link it is really interesting. I am really excited to see what the Greek people will choose... not also for the question of bitcoin price but also because I live in Europe. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 05:13:37 PM Latest official result is 59% NO 40% Yes Those are official exit polls, we won't see shit from official numbers just yet, it will be until about 10:00pm or midnight when all the votes have been counted. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 05:14:56 PM I just seen the from singular in a tv panel. Is the first official results
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 05:16:01 PM Now they just say that the difference will be 60-40 to the NO.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 05:16:36 PM Now they just say that the difference will be 60-40 to the NO. Exactly, wait for all the votes to come in before jumping to conclusions. We had a very close run with the Scottish referendum and it was basically when parliament ran a smear campaign against the independence movement that switched things around quite a lot. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 05:17:22 PM the 40-59 is from official votes
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 05:18:10 PM Only 54.80% have been counted, check Bryant's link.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 05:19:24 PM Yes but i see Greek tv right now and i say what they say there. The votes is not at all to 100% but until now is like that. Maybe will be higher
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 05:21:07 PM Yes but i see Greek tv right now and i say what they say there. The votes is not at all to 100% but until now is like that. Maybe will be higher It's propaganda, the BBC is trying to declare a winner already too, it's to try and sway people into voting the way they want. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: redsn0w on July 05, 2015, 05:22:36 PM Yes but i see Greek tv right now and i say what they say there. The votes is not at all to 100% but until now is like that. Maybe will be higher It's propaganda, the BBC is trying to declare a winner already too, it's to try and sway people into voting the way they want. Something like 'mind control' ;D, however I also think we should expect the end of the referendum. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 05:24:53 PM Only 54.80% have been counted, check Bryant's link. Lethn, the figure which you had quoted is the preliminary polling percentage. So far, 13.17% of the votes have been counted (Reporting). The current lead is NO - 60.15% and YES - 39.85%. The preliminary results seems to be in line with the exit poll results. Big relief for Tsiparas. Headache for frau Merkel and Hollande. ;D Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 05:29:34 PM Yes but i see Greek tv right now and i say what they say there. The votes is not at all to 100% but until now is like that. Maybe will be higher It's propaganda, the BBC is trying to declare a winner already too, it's to try and sway people into voting the way they want. Something like 'mind control' ;D, however I also think we should expect the end of the referendum. It's not mind control more like scare mongering, quite a lot of people vote opportunistically, so either they'll vote for who's going to win or who's going to give them the most, it also scares people away from voting a certain way, so saying yes has one will mean no voters might not go out. Quote Lethn, the figure which you had quoted is the preliminary polling percentage. So far, 13.17% of the votes have been counted (Reporting). The current lead is NO - 60.15% and YES - 39.85%. Either way let's not jump to conclusions until it's all over alright? :P Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 05:37:49 PM Official Now
61- NO 39- Yes Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: albert73 on July 05, 2015, 05:43:13 PM Official Now 61- NO 39- Yes I expected it to be closer than that. Before the referendum started everyone said it was 50/50. If the final results mirror the preliminary results then it's a clear majority in favor of no. It will be fascinating to find out what the exact final count will be. http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en http://s10.postimg.org/5g864ihyh/referendum.jpg Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 05:45:42 PM These BBC people are really pathetic. Earlier they were saying: "It is going to be a 51-49 result, so Tsiparas can't really claim that a majority of the people voted for NO". Now they are saying: "40% is a huge number. Tsiparas has to remember that 40% of the Greeks voted NO". WTF?
Either way let's not jump to conclusions until it's all over alright? :P More than 22.5% of the votes have been counted so far, and the trend is clear (61 vs 39). I believe that the NO camp has won a huge victory, in the range of 20-22 points. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 05:48:31 PM These BBC people are really pathetic. Earlier they were saying: "It is going to be a 51-49 result, so Tsiparas can't really claim that a majority of the people voted for NO". Now they are saying: "40% is a huge number. Tsiparas has to remember that 40% of the Greeks voted NO". WTF? Either way let's not jump to conclusions until it's all over alright? :P More than 22.5% of the votes have been counted so far, and the trend is clear (61 vs 39). I believe that the NO camp has won a huge victory, in the range of 20-22 points. Yeah the BBC are a joke, I try to keep an open mind but I'm just turning off all the live broadcasts now until the vote is actually over, you can only ever trust numbers with this kind of thing, like I said, we had to deal with all this bullshit throughout the scottish referendum, blatantly biased. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Xialla on July 05, 2015, 05:52:36 PM imho is not mathematicly possible to get YES from NO, if 25% is counted and over 60% is NO...
great job Greeks:) http://hellenicleaders.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Greece-600x291.png Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 06:01:13 PM imho is not mathematicly possible to get YES from NO, if 25% is counted and over 60% is NO... It is still theoretically possible. So far 29.11% of the votes has been counted, with NO leading at 60.64% versus 39.36% for the YES. For the YES camp to win, they need to secure 54.37% of the remaining votes. Not impossible, if you ask me. ;D Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: tsoPANos on July 05, 2015, 06:12:39 PM imho is not mathematicly possible to get YES from NO, if 25% is counted and over 60% is NO... It is still theoretically possible. So far 29.11% of the votes has been counted, with NO leading at 60.64% versus 39.36% for the YES. For the YES camp to win, they need to secure 54.37% of the remaining votes. Not impossible, if you ask me. ;D A guesstimate: It will be 61.5-38.5 Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: galbros on July 05, 2015, 07:25:23 PM Preliminary results have NO in fact winning. I don't see how Greece gets to keep the Euro if it defaults. Maybe it will have a dual currency system or something that will help it devalue internally.
Good Luck! Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 07:26:01 PM Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 07:27:27 PM It does look like there will be a NO vote guys, get ready for the markets to react!
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 07:29:44 PM I am so proud to be Greek tonight. today honored the memory of our heroic ancestors. We say NO to the modern facism like our ancestors say No to the Nazi and they know that they will lost. Is something in our lives above money and above all. It is Ethic and Justice.
Hθική και Δικαιoσύνη Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Spendulus on July 05, 2015, 07:35:35 PM I think this is a very good thing that the Greek people have done.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 07:40:22 PM Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: pazor_true on July 05, 2015, 07:57:54 PM I am so proud to be Greek tonight. today honored the memory of our heroic ancestors. We say NO to the modern facism like our ancestors say No to the Nazi and they know that they will lost. Is something in our lives above money and above all. It is Ethic and Justice. Hθική και Δικαιoσύνη please be exactly, no modern facism... it is imperialism 2.0 ... και τώρα τι κάνoυμε ... Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 08:06:19 PM Nice documanter what happen in Greece the last 5 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3JmIRb1tE0 Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 05, 2015, 08:37:37 PM I am so proud to be Greek tonight. today honored the memory of our heroic ancestors. We say NO to the modern facism like our ancestors say No to the Nazi and they know that they will lost. Is something in our lives above money and above all. It is Ethic and Justice. Hθική και Δικαιoσύνη please be exactly, no modern facism... it is imperialism 2.0 ... και τώρα τι κάνoυμε ... We want you guys to start accepting multiple currencies get Bitcoin involved or anything you want! There needs to be a real talk about it, I hope you don't just turn into a communist state with a collapsed economy. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 05, 2015, 08:39:00 PM i dont think varoufakis and the most of Syriza is not communist but a traditional Europe left party
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: pazor_true on July 05, 2015, 09:18:14 PM greece is a member of the european union (EU)
greece is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) greece is not a communist state Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: acquafredda on July 05, 2015, 10:11:02 PM Thank you to the no voters. From the people who thought of democracy first we shall have democracy back!
The Greek Motto «Eλευθερία ή Θάνατoς» "Freedom or Death" :) http://santaruina.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grecia.jpg Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 06, 2015, 12:06:23 AM Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 06, 2015, 12:21:25 AM Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: panju1 on July 06, 2015, 01:47:08 AM Angela will be worried now. :)
This is going to be a big boost for Bitcoin. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2015, 03:01:24 AM Epic! This is going to be a big boost for Bitcoin. Hmm... actually I was expecting an even bigger bounce. In BTC-e, the exchange rate went from $259 to $270 as the results came in. But then, it went down to $265. It is still not confirmed whether Greece will be thrown out of the Eurozone or not. It will be known only by today night, after frau Merkel meets Hollande in Paris. Feels bad for frau Merkel. Her dreams for a fourth Reich are shattered. http://www.the666.com/fotos/merkel-copyfuhrer.jpg Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: msc_de on July 06, 2015, 05:58:00 AM Thank you to the no voters. From the people who thought of democracy first we shall have democracy back! The Greek Motto «Eλευθερία ή Θάνατoς» "Freedom or Death" :) http://santaruina.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grecia.jpg nothing to do with democracy, no matter yes or no to vote, Greece is debtor who refuse to pay back money , that is the simple fact, go hell Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: tss on July 06, 2015, 06:00:52 AM Freedom To Greece. Its only one vote and they will be discussing other deals (to keep Greeks in Euro) but i hope in the end they decide to use their own currency. If that happens i recommend the Greeks to quickly buy as much gold/silver/btc/usd as possible before their currency devalues fourfold. Their independent finance system come back slow and strong, but will be a long road ahead.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Bitsaurus on July 06, 2015, 06:20:12 AM This will end badly for this country.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2015, 06:24:40 AM nothing to do with democracy, no matter yes or no to vote, Greece is debtor who refuse to pay back money , that is the simple fact, go hell ROFL. I can understand your frustration, as you are from Germany. Germany is going to lose close to €90 billion as a result of the Greek default. But the Eurozone nations such as Germany are to be blamed for this crisis in the first place. Who told you guys to lend more and more money to Greece, when it was already clear that they can't pay it back? Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: saddampbuh on July 06, 2015, 07:09:08 AM now syriza needs to fall and everything collapse so golden dawn and the military can stage a coup
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: cryptocoiner on July 06, 2015, 08:13:45 AM LOL, one country less in a European Union then. It will be interesting to watch how European Union's autoryties will deal with that. It will be a problem for eu. Euro may continue falling. How you can be sure that the Grexit will not trigger a chain reaction? If the Greeks default on loans (and suffer no serious consequences as a result of it), then what stops Spain and Portugal from doing the same? It all depends on how Germany handles this situation. If Greece leaves the Eurozone and survives on its own, then it will encourage the other indebted EU members to doing the same. I don't know that. I think if Greece will leave the euro zone it will be bad both for european union and for greece. If greece will establish their natial currency again it fall dramatically in price. And economy of a EU will also suffer. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: BillyBones on July 06, 2015, 09:11:39 AM We vote no to end with this scam currencies "euro" Congratulations !! Greece for your independence and now it's the time to work hard and recover your economy back, for short term period accept the loan from Russia and move forward for further development. We Vote OXI - NO Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Lethn on July 06, 2015, 09:13:31 AM Interesting that the price hasn't moved yet, they must still be waiting for an official euro exit, I know I will be, let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: acquafredda on July 06, 2015, 09:33:40 AM Thank you to the no voters. From the people who thought of democracy first we shall have democracy back! The Greek Motto «Eλευθερία ή Θάνατoς» "Freedom or Death" :) http://santaruina.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grecia.jpg nothing to do with democracy, no matter yes or no to vote, Greece is debtor who refuse to pay back money , that is the simple fact, go hell How can you say that this vote has nothing to do with democracy? The previous greek governments imposed by Brussels did this mess. I can give evidence that Greece is not the money sucker that the press is stating lately. This is about people saying no to pay interests on money they'll never see. This could be a new beginning for the Eurozone. Think of Italy: REnzi is the third prime minister in a row not voted by Italians. At least in Greece they still vote and they get their rights! Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 06, 2015, 10:03:53 AM Germany is the most corrupt nation in Europe. All the economical scandal in Greece is from a german company like Seimens and many more that pay black market to the politicians of the two parties that rule the Greece for 40 years Nea Dimokratia and pasok.
Fo that Mr jerk facist Schauble want back to the goverment the previous political parties. We all know that this facist guy is corrupt and we know that he was involved to a black money scandal back to 90' Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2015, 10:14:58 AM Germany is the most corrupt nation in Europe. All the economical scandal in Greece is from a german company like Seimens and many more that pay black market to the politicians of the two parties that rule the Greece for 40 years Nea Dimokratia and pasok. I agree. Most of the Greek government contracts went to the German companies (in various sectors, such as transport, defense and communication). The governing politicians from the New Democracy and the PASOK were bribed by these German companies, and they got the contracts through fraudulent means. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 06, 2015, 10:25:36 AM you can see how we "love" this guy here in Greece.... ;D
http://www.naftemporiki.gr/fu/p/973854/638/399/0x0000000000e286e7/2/dimopsifisma-oxi-nai.jpg Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Nemo1024 on July 06, 2015, 02:18:55 PM Lada hits the bullseye again:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/greek-default-and-grexit-analysis-and-predictions/ Quote ... The national referendum announced by the ruling Syriza party on the future of Greece is to take place on July 5th. Greek PM Tsipras urges people to vote ‘no’ to creditor demands, in order to improve his negotiating position. It’s pretty clear how the people will vote: NO to austerity and creditor demands. The fact that creditors didn’t give an extension to Greece so people could vote, instead squeezing the country on June 30th, is very telling. I wonder, what happened to the supposed ‘democracy’ the West is so proud of? How democratic is it to sabotage the Greek national referendum – a true voice of the people? First, it’s clear double standards: Greece, a member of the EU, is treated as an unloved, unwanted child by the EU and IMF. IMF, of course, represents the interests of the US and EU, where US rules supreme. At the same time, IMF’s Christine Lagarde tells us that Ukraine, not a member of the EU, will continue receiving IMF loan tranches, even if it defaults on sovereign debt it owes Russia. This is in direct violation of the IMF laws. So, the West is now in violation of both self-professed cornerstones of its society: democracy and law. Do you know how empires die? That’s how – they implode on themselves, confused and in denial. We are observing a slow disintegration of the Western (US-EU) empire. This is the time when only the blind and the unscrupulous don’t see that the king is naked. ... You know my prediction about Greece: it will exit the EU by 2017. In my original prediction, which you can find in Secret Connection: Russian Gas to Turkey-Greek Election-EU Breakup (LadaRayLive 6) and my FT articles, I said that the reason it will take some time is because the relationship with the EU is so complex that it will take some time to untangle. We already see that the energy is moving in the direction of Grexit. But it won’t happen yet. Greece and EU will be delaying it for now. The most important mark for Grexit will be the completion of Turkish Stream. Grexit will happen close to that date – this is the date to watch! ... For the next few years, the make-or-break moments of reckoning to watch are: completion of Nord Stream-2, Turkish Stream, discontinuing of gas transit to EU via Ukraine, and a change of power in Ukraine, accompanied with gradual weakening of the US. The timeline for all this is 2016-2019, with most events taking place between 2017-2019. US weakening will continue after 2019. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: freemind1 on July 06, 2015, 02:27:31 PM Now we have to expect the movements of other countries after the vote.
Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2015, 03:56:31 PM Now we have to expect the movements of other countries after the vote. Their reactions will be predictable, IMO. Countries such as Italy and Spain will become bolder now, demanding new terms from their debtors (including the International Monetary Fund). But they will be cautious. Most of them will wait for sometime, to see whether Greece will survive this crisis on its own, or not. If Greece survives, then the troika will be history. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: msc_de on July 06, 2015, 08:05:12 PM Thank you to the no voters. From the people who thought of democracy first we shall have democracy back! The Greek Motto «Eλευθερία ή Θάνατoς» "Freedom or Death" :) http://santaruina.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grecia.jpg nothing to do with democracy, no matter yes or no to vote, Greece is debtor who refuse to pay back money , that is the simple fact, go hell How can you say that this vote has nothing to do with democracy? The previous greek governments imposed by Brussels did this mess. I can give evidence that Greece is not the money sucker that the press is stating lately. This is about people saying no to pay interests on money they'll never see. This could be a new beginning for the Eurozone. Think of Italy: REnzi is the third prime minister in a row not voted by Italians. At least in Greece they still vote and they get their rights! The Farmer And The Snake by Aesop A Farmer walked through his field one cold winter morning. On the ground lay a Snake, stiff and frozen with the cold. The Farmer knew how deadly the Snake could be, and yet he picked it up and put it in his bosom to warm it back to life. The Snake soon revived, and when it had enough strength, bit the man who had been so kind to it. The bite was deadly and the Farmer felt that he must die. As he drew his last breath, he said to those standing around: Learn from my fate not to take pity on a scoundrel. THE PEOPLE IN GREECE WHO VOTED NO ARE SNAKES! Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: msc_de on July 06, 2015, 08:16:41 PM Germany is the most corrupt nation in Europe. All the economical scandal in Greece is from a german company like Seimens and many more that pay black market to the politicians of the two parties that rule the Greece for 40 years Nea Dimokratia and pasok. Fo that Mr jerk facist Schauble want back to the goverment the previous political parties. We all know that this facist guy is corrupt and we know that he was involved to a black money scandal back to 90' http://www.statista.com/chart/1853/corruption-is-widespread-across-europe/ https://d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net/images/infografik/normal/chartoftheday_1853_Corruption_is_Widespread_Across_Europe_n.jpg Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: pazor_true on July 06, 2015, 11:23:57 PM jede maschienerie muss "geschmiert" werden, nicht ?
each maschienerie must be "lubricated", right? Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: chek2fire on July 07, 2015, 01:00:49 AM Thank you to the no voters. From the people who thought of democracy first we shall have democracy back! The Greek Motto «Eλευθερία ή Θάνατoς» "Freedom or Death" :) http://santaruina.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grecia.jpg nothing to do with democracy, no matter yes or no to vote, Greece is debtor who refuse to pay back money , that is the simple fact, go hell How can you say that this vote has nothing to do with democracy? The previous greek governments imposed by Brussels did this mess. I can give evidence that Greece is not the money sucker that the press is stating lately. This is about people saying no to pay interests on money they'll never see. This could be a new beginning for the Eurozone. Think of Italy: REnzi is the third prime minister in a row not voted by Italians. At least in Greece they still vote and they get their rights! The Farmer And The Snake by Aesop A Farmer walked through his field one cold winter morning. On the ground lay a Snake, stiff and frozen with the cold. The Farmer knew how deadly the Snake could be, and yet he picked it up and put it in his bosom to warm it back to life. The Snake soon revived, and when it had enough strength, bit the man who had been so kind to it. The bite was deadly and the Farmer felt that he must die. As he drew his last breath, he said to those standing around: Learn from my fate not to take pity on a scoundrel. THE PEOPLE IN GREECE WHO VOTED NO ARE SNAKES! and i supposed you are the farmer?? ok... :P Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 07, 2015, 02:48:43 AM The Farmer And The Snake by Aesop A Farmer walked through his field one cold winter morning. On the ground lay a Snake, stiff and frozen with the cold. The Farmer knew how deadly the Snake could be, and yet he picked it up and put it in his bosom to warm it back to life. The Snake soon revived, and when it had enough strength, bit the man who had been so kind to it. The bite was deadly and the Farmer felt that he must die. As he drew his last breath, he said to those standing around: Learn from my fate not to take pity on a scoundrel. THE PEOPLE IN GREECE WHO VOTED NO ARE SNAKES! ROFL. Nice story, I have to admit. But I don't agree with your conclusion. Do you think that Germany helped Greece out of sympathy? That is not the truth. Germany allowed the bailout, to save the German banks who had purchased all those Greek bonds. Without the bailout, the German banks might have become insolvent. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: Possum577 on July 07, 2015, 04:21:38 AM Here's an interesting article on why they voted No: http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/06/news/economy/greece-no-vote-explanations/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom
Pretty interesting, they're saying they have nothing to lose so why not take the chance. Title: Re: Greece - We vote NO- OXI Post by: bryant.coleman on July 07, 2015, 04:37:21 AM Here's an interesting article on why they voted No: http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/06/news/economy/greece-no-vote-explanations/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom Pretty interesting, they're saying they have nothing to lose so why not take the chance. I don't trust the pro-troika news sources, such as the BBC and the CNN. Right up to the day of the referendum, they tried to scare the Greeks and tried to pop up support for the YES camp. And this article gives an impression that it is the pensioners and the middle-aged who voted NO. According to the ground reports, it was just the reverse. The younger voters overwhelmingly supported NO, while the middle-aged and the elderly were evenly divided. |
