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According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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That's similar to China... If China has a seat in the SC then India should get one.

What about Australia, Canada and Germany, don't they deserve permanent seat in the SC?

Not enough of us combined to compete with India and China...

Do you mean population? Population shouldn't be a createria for SC's membership. The criteria should be how much you take world responsibilities.

Depending how you look at it.Their economy is bigger than Russia. And they are probably going to overtake China with the having the most amount of people. They also got the nuclear bomb and their army is exceptionally big.



Canada and Australia are dwarfs compared to Germany and India.

Germany's economy is exceptionally powerful.
And money rules the world.

No they don't deserve permanent seats, it would just become an American club. Actually the only ones who deserve seats are military powers, and that would be the US, Russia, China, and Britain. That's enough members...although India might be a good balancing power. At one time France was independent, but those days are long gone, now it's just another American serf. I say kick France out and put in India.

India won't be a good choice as it would furstrate its neigbors. India already lots of issues with its neighboring countries. I would say keep it as it is. The US, Russia, China and Britain are good enough.

China, People Republic aside all UNSC members with a permanent seat got their status as the winners of WWII and founders of the UN. The PRC got her UNSC permanent seat as "successor" of the Nationalist China whose government was exiled on the Taiwan island after the communist takeover of mainland China.
I laugh loudly at all the countries - like India, Japan, Germany, Brazil, etc. - asking for a free great power status without paying the price associated with it!
The best & most sensible proposal to reform the UNSC was the one proposed by Italy in 1994 (https://www.globalpolicy.org/security-council/security-council-reform/32857-reforming-the-security-council-an-italian-view.html). Otherwise, we are struck with the status quo and the one wishing to have a great power status with veto power must change it as usual, by winning a systemic war between old & new international powers. Anyone could see that the latter choice is worst than the former.

India is a big country with a huge population, but when it comes to the nation trying to exert its power, that huge population is as much a hindrance as it is an asset.
There are just so many poor people in India, the country will never be able to afford a modern military force to match its size. It is a matter of priorities, and India is just struggling to feed the people it already has.

Like China, India is a country that is somewhat of a paradox. Culturally it has a strong Western influence (from former British colonization), politically it is a "free" democracy, and within the last 20 years a middle class has been rapidly growing in Indian society. But it is still considered a "Third World" country, there is still widespread poverty and the standard of living is much lower than it is elsewhere. So it has all the institutions in place of a modern developed country, but economically in is still struggling to advance from a backwards state.

There are boundary problems between China and India, but they trust Putin so they are able to work together. The main problem would be Pakistan, so you are right. I don't know how they would be able to put a new member in the security council without others going ballistic.

India has nukes and that in itself along with it population makes it a regional power. It is also ranked as the worlds 4th most powerful military.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/top-10...ranked-2015-05

Pakistan has also nukes so do you think Pakistan should also given a seat at SC?

The question was is India a regional power, my answer is yes for the reasons I gave.

I would say, India is a power in its own borders. Otherwise, India has serious issues with Pakistan. For the last 60 years they are fighting on disputed Kashmir region. UN has asked to organize plebiscite in Kashmir and ask people of Kashmir which country they want to join. India and China has serious issues on Hamachal Pardesh area. Sri Lanka has also concerns with India in proking militant groups in Sri Lanka. India is our good ally but not suitable for SC seat.

I never said it was, I just answered a question about India being a regional power. It is. It is ranked 4th in the world when it comes to the military.

Many IT and customer service jobs are going to India, so their standard of living and economy is improving.

Actually Russia has a slightly higher GDP than India. India may have 15 times more people than Russia, but the majority of those people are very poor.

Inspite of some development in IT, and lots of IT companies are having their offices in India. But poverty and population are two indexes where India collapses.



Poverty rate is very high in India.

Guys you need to realize UNSC permanent seats are not for regional powers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power), but for great powers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power). India is not a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability to exert its influence on a global scale; so, India is not a great power thus actually she doesn't deserve a permanent seat into the UNSC.

India is a Nation with over 1 Billion People who over 65% of them will be displaced by rising ocean levels and it is already happening now.

The U.S. Military used to have Networked IBM Super Computers running scenario's for this 24/7 365....now they use 1000 Quibit Quantum Computers with data accumulated by the ONLY viable source the U.S. Dept. of Energy's at Oak Ridge National Laboratories Office of Science......CDIAC.

The U.S. Military being a Global Military Force runs scenarios for every possible contingency.

Many Indian's live on the water....the water levels are rising dispacing Millions right now.

Pakistan is India's Blood Enemy.

The displaced Indian's might attempt to cross into Pakistan.

The ONLY Nation with the capability to prevent a war on this scale is the U.S.

Both India and Pakistan have Nukes.

But the U.S. could very easily render the Nukes on both sides useless.

That's about all the info I can go into.

Soviet Union in 1945-1950 wasn't that richer ...

To this easy comparison add that it's a mere geographical matter: India is as big as an entire planetary region [it's a subcontinent]. It's the great problem of Asia in perspective: 3 regional powers [Russia, China and India] with the addition of some military powers and one with nukes [Pakistan].

India's issues are with Health, Medical, Food and Large bodies of people moving.

They have to manage a population of about one billion of persons. That's not easy. Anyway pay attention that in their culture the achievements of the country can be even more important that daily needs of common people [India has sent a probe to Mars, entering the tiny club of powers able to do that].

Sure in India there are politicians and movements of opinions saying that the priorities of the country should be others, but they are quite proud of the power India is showing [I know some Indians and like Chinese they are a bit nationalist ...]

China and India don't trust each other.

Pakistan and Idia used to be part of one nation Inda along with Bangladesh.

They are both Nuclear Armed Nations but as I posted....thee U.S. has Highly Advanced methods of shutting them down both Nuclear wise and Conventionally.

Or ability to penetrate another Nations Cumuterized Command and Control is unparralleled and no nation is so capable as they ae 75 to 100 years behind us techologically.

We could stop thier Nucear Launches.

We culd drop Non-Nuclear EMP's and shut down their military forces at will.

I dont think so that India is a Much regional power, because India and Pakistan is Much lagging behind China and Russia. We can say that If India is 50 year behind than china than Pakistan is 60 year. In that case we are too much behind. We dont think about Moving forward we still go for war between each other. Other countries moving forward but we are still fighting on minor issues.

But they lack the natural resources. This is why Canada with its small population is in the G7.

Yeah... and China lack natural resources as well and so are not in that group.
Sure.

Canada is in the G7 because Canada and the United States are considered by in the past the Soviet Union and now Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea....etc....TO BE ONE NATION AND ONE MILITARY.

And they are right!!

Every year when both Russia and China put out their.....Nations of the World Military Threat Assessment Study...both Russia and China and everyone else who does a yearly Military Threat Assessment Study lists not just the United States or just Canada individually.....they list both nations as NORTH AMERICA.

The reason for this is the United States and Canada have an INTEGRATED MILITARY FORCE upon all levels.

The relationship between the United States and Canada is a BLOOD RELATIVE RELATIONSHIP as most American's and Canadian's have family members living in each nation and I have many Canadian Relatives.

It is the longest ungarded boarder on Planet Earth.

Why?

Because the two nations are ONE IN THE SAME!!!

And that is why Canada is in the G7.

In that case Canada should just be represented by the US president at the G-7 & rename it G-6.05.

I freely admit it is the U.S. that got Canada into the G7....but Canada is a Military Powerhouse and is endowed with massive amounts of resources.

The U.S. and Canada alone are calculated to have 6.1 TIMES the total amount of Oil Reserves in all Middle Eastern Nations.

The U.S. has more Coal Reserves than the entire Planet Combined.

This is why I advocate a Russian/American-Canadian Partnership.

Russia as far as land area is #1...Canada #2.....U.S....#4........China is #3...and not by much over the U.S..

All three Nations....United States, Russia and Canada have together THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF ENERGY RESERVES ON PLANET EARTH!!!

The U.S. and Canada have the Advanced Technology....Russia has the Work Force...as the U.S. and Canadian Work Force even though existing in a much higher number than Russia....2.5 times to 1.....are more dedicated to other aspects of a more diverse economy.

This partnership would GUARANTEE MILLIONS OF HIGH PAYING RUSSIAN JOBS!!!

It would also make the world see the U.S. and Canada in partnership with Russia which would spark BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT INTO RUSSIA!!!

There really is no down side for Russia or Canada or the U.S.

We just all neeed to do something about Putin.

To my way of thinking India with the nukes & large conventional military it has to be considered at least a regional power.

UN security council permanent members should be US, EU (the EU should represent all EU member countries as one nation), Russia, China, India & Pakistan ( as the representative of the Sunni Islamic world). Some consideration should also be given to the non-nuclear states of Brazil & South Africa as representatives of the South American countries & black African Countries respectively.

@ Riniojet  There was a suggestion about a strong EMP being used to knock out nuclear weapon systems but that is the first thing they would be shielded for.

No....I never implied an EMP would be used to knock out any Pakistani or Indian Siloed Nukes.

You are correct...they are shielded from this.

What would happe is U.S. Quantum Processing Computers exist at over the 1000 Quibit Level now.

We can crack any Launch Code and install a Algorythmic Directive that willl not allow a launch.

If you have doubts about this U.S. Cyber Command and Private U.S. Military Contractors in thie field....Google about how SOME UNKNOWN GROUP.....was able to install a Virus into 2 Iranian Underground Nuclear Facilities that had Ten's of Thousand's of CENTRIFUGES runing night and day to enrich Reactor Grade Uranium to WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM.

This UNKNOWN GROUP...was able to penetrate two secret Underground Iranaian Nuclear Facilities and install a Program that made the Cetrifuges RUN AT THE WRONG RATE OF VELOCITY!!!

To enrich Uranium from Reactor Grade to weapons Grade you need to do this with thousands of Centriguges as this is a very old way of doing enrichment as Iran does not have the Technology Level of Russia or the U.S.

This Viral Program installed not only had the centrifuges running at the wrong velocity but as well had the Mainframe Computer as well as EACH INDIVIDUAL CETRIFUGE DIAGNOSTIC telling the Iranian's everything was running at proper spefications.

THEY WERE NOT!!!

This set back Iranian Uraniam Enrichment back 12 to 18 months.

We can blast through any firewall.....as we are the ONLY NATION....well the U.S. and CANADA....that is currently using Quantum Processors, Computers and Systems which can blast though 5024 Bit Algorythmic Ecription and well above that as well.

We can SHUT DOWN a Nation like India or Pakistan's ability to Launch ICBM's.

The Non-Nuclear EMP's would be used to render INERT Large Divisions of Mechanized Forces.

I was going to click like for that post until you got to the bit about Putin. The US has already missed the boat on Putin & if he gets assassinated now any real potential replacement will be more anti US. Besides Russia has already chosen a new path away from Europe & the US with the BRICS nations.

Although India is struggling with a lot of issues because of its rapidly increasing population and other issues like poverty and so on , it is still a very powerful nation. It is the 4th most powerful nation follwing US, Russia and china respectively. And I think yes, it does have enough. regional power and deserves this status

ROFL.... Do you think that India is more powerful than countries such as Japan, Germany, Italy, France, United Kingdom, South Korea, Canada, Australia.etc? I don't think so. Out of the Indian population of some 1,250 million, just around 40 million are productive (i.e, paying income tax to the government). In short, India is a country where 40 million people subsidize the remaining 1,210 million. This model won't be able to sustain for long.

India indeed is a regional superpower. They have more then one billon population. Soon there will be more people then in China. So yes. India should have a seat in UN security council.