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You would prefer that more people were unemployed and dependent on their families or worse - the state?

No one is being forced to work there, I fail to understand what leftists see wrong in that.

Don't matter what the "community" does thinks feels.  Individuals will do what individuals do.  Then the rest of us get to laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

I wonder what leftists are doing in a community that's dedicated to building an ultra-randian utopia?

I say no to them all, problem solved for me. Are you asking me to somehow say no for other people now too?

If you can call these investments schemes "work" and people like goat "unemployed", then I rest my case. People who actually do REAL work and build things, do not appreciate the clever antics. I certainly don't like people who come up with these "gimme money" schemes and then correlate that with defeating unemployment....

Bitcoin is Apolitical.

Not everyone is an anachonut who wants to take down the government and enact a randian order...

Bitcoin is an awesome utility that CAN AND WILL be used by private organizations and world governments around the world, to better enhance their monetary securities and invest in a sound solution for the future.

Hey! I enjoy dramas on this forum!

To be honest with you, I think that BitCoin needs more proposals like the crop sharing which is a real world investment that involves production of goods used by society, and less of the "1.5% weekly, profits from loans" proposals. The only thing I see wrong with it is the third party risk from the property being owned by his wife's family due to legal restrictions. But I feel that we need to get out of this HYIP-denominated-in-bitcoin investment mode because real world investments don't have returns matching just holding bitcoin.

I can think of way better crops to sharecrop...

Well said.

4% to 6% a year is probably legit, and since he lives close to Cambodia, what's wrong with investing in Cambodian rice farming?

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I admit i started laughing at the "cambodian rice sharecropping". How the hell can ppl keep falling in such scams?

if people cant act for themselves how can you expect your suggested "organization" to?

There is a difference in losing money because bitcoin collapses, and someone who loses bitcoin because they are stolen by a dishonest owner.

That is naive.  If you invest in 100 high risk but legit deals the odds are the 1 or 2 will pay for the 98 or 99.  That is essentially what venture capitalists do.  However if you invested in 100 Pirate ponzis you will lose 100 times.    To use an analogy it would be like pretending that if you are involved in 100 muggings at least 1 or 2 will be profitable enough for muggings to be +EV for the victim.

I do not think we need a separate thread for this.

Finally someone who can actually use his brains. Thank you. My faith in this community has been restored.
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Me: Watching the evolution of a class of developments which have the potential to be highly empowering to 'peers'.  If it can be arranged that 'peers' are not a handful of people sitting atop a handful of pyramids, such a construct as a peer-to-peer crypto-currency could be hard on governments gone rotten and exploitative individuals of any stripe.

Oh ya...I'm also up into the 5-figure range profit wise.  On paper at least.  The rubber hits the road if/when I try to cash out.

Given that he said in another thread that his wife is the one who wants him to buy land for rice farming, I have to wonder whether this venture isn't about expanding the operations of relatives of hers who are already rice farmers.  Although Goat initially says in his thread that there's a heap of stuff he needs to check into, he's also talking about not being ready to buy before 10 October.  That's certainly not enough time to research the industry, find suitable land and a trustworthy farmer if this is a brand new idea - common sense suggests that he already has a specific farmer and piece of land in mind.

And yeah, if this forum continues being a haven for scammers and the incompetent, then people looking for serious, legitimate Bitcoin enterprises will stop looking for them here.  Sooner or later someone will develop a standalone "Marketplace" which imposes standards for those who advertise/solicit there.

Once again we discover incompetent government to be the root cause of problems loudly blamed on the "free market" by nanny-statists:

http://thediplomat.com/2012/11/10/rice-piles-how-thailand-lost-its-spot-as-worlds-top-rice-exporter/



You people would be lucky to have entrepreneurs like Goat working to fill the gap the next time a government decides to kill millions of people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor), intentionally or not, by manipulating food supplies.

Same thing happened in Venezuela and Ecuador with rice and other grains.  Once again, of course, governments were to blame.

I can only imagine that there was also the concomitant demonizing of small businesses and job creators as well, in the midst of so-called "socialist" government-imposed scarcity.

But of course.  It's always the "fault" of the "greedy empresario", by which I mean the cocksucking politicians that caused these disasters and waste, always pin their failure on the people they were trying to fuck with.  Business as usual.

This is why nobody wants to invest in Shit America.

Use your common sense! If someone is offering something that seems too good to be true then don't bloody go for it, it's the same with the usual currencies I don't know why idiots are so blindly thinking Bitcoin will be any different.

Someone does something out of this mess.
And than let the mess continue!

Bump to remind all you liberal crybabies how the world really works:

1) Governments tried to starve people via price controls.
2) The Free Market^TM and Goat tried to rectify this by investing hard-earned capital in supporting the work of voluntary laborers.
3) Goat is demonized by liberal crybabies calling for even more regulations to pile on top of the already existing, failed ones.

Thank you for that excellent example of sustained sarcasm. Are you by chance a fan of Jonathon Swift? I highly recommend "A modest proposal".

This whole idea is obviously wonky. I live in a small Thai village and we just pulled in the rice harvest. 12 days x 3 people for 7 rai of land. Nets about 2000kg of rice. At current (very high) rate of 15B/kg sold that's 30,000B or $2000 US. And that doesn't include planting and other activities nor any pesticides/fertilizers that may be used (more now than before). Planting time is typically about the same again.

(This is done by hand as most local rice is. Last year we used a harvester but the net is much the same as it costs 3500B (500B/rai) to hire a harvester and the resulting rice is poor in comparison,  and takes more work to unbag, spread,  dry the rice for 3 days,  and rebag after.  Then it receives a lower price due to hay mix.

Most local farmers are making less than enough to even think of it as a wage. They would never be able to pay back any land purchase. Fortunately for villagers here the land is almost always in the family and handed down. They only get this work (12 days in this example) once per year (usually) and the rest of the year they have to find other income. But since harvest happens around the same time of year for everyone the whole country is extra busy for this short period. There are very few surplus workers available. Many factory workers take time off to go home for harvest, and school stops as well (traditionally to allow kids to help).

And how is there a profit to be made for some investor, unless of course, the wages are Zero.

Next rice harvest isn't for a year anyway - unless they plan on 2 crops per year but then you need irrigation. The monsoon isn't until May, when planting usually next happens.

*edited to remove calculation due to bad math.

Dank?

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What "theory" is that? The "theory" of an economically illiterate populist cocksucker? vforvoluntary (man of men) responds with an epic cunt punt:



Thai people voted for death and poverty (as it is usual when democracy is at play).  Thailand is now fucked, and that rice will rot and be filled with bugs.  Bravo politics!

By the way, the same shit happened in Venezuela not a few years ago.  And the same shit happened in Ecuador with the infamous Pan Techo y Empleo plan by murderer president León Febres-Cordero in the eighties.

I just dug up an NPR segment I recalled hearing last year on the Rice market (only 5m long): http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=141771712&m=141948449