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"The Earth could be headed for a 'mini ice age' researchers have warned.

A new study claims to have cracked predicting solar cycles - and says that between 2020 and 2030 solar cycles will cancel each other out.

This, they say, will lead to a phenomenon known as the 'Maunder minimum' - which has previously been known as a mini ice age when it hit between 1646 and 1715, even causing London's River Thames to freeze over."

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So what happened to Global Warming going to kill us off? Yes there is climate change, some man made but the rest.

Let me see...what contributes more to our climate, a light bulb or a ball of fire 350,000 times the size of the Earth? This is a tough one.

I guess we better get out there and start buying bigger SUVs and burning more fossil fuel to stave off the global cooling disaster, then.

See, this is why the environment  wackos dumped calling the problem "global warming" and changed it to "climate change". That way, whatever happens they can say they need to take all our money and spend it on one or another boondoggles to save us all from a FIERY / FREEZING DEATH.

That and the fact there hasn't been any "global warming" in 18 years.

hmmm, is the light bulb standard, or a lower voltage LED? lol

Don't worry. I'll save us. I drive almost 50k miles/year and set my thermostat nice and low in the Summer. I also have a stockpile of incandescent bulbs.

In 15-25 years scientists predict a cycle that's been seen before (Maunder minimum) will kick in throwing us into a mini ice age.
I would say the globe needs all the warming we can get.

I also found some incandescent light bulbs on the shelves that the green police over looked and I now have a stockpile on incandescent bulbs.

Well. I'm going to log off now and take a 20 minute shower. It's starting getting pretty ripe in the liberal neighborhoods in California. Progressives, liberals seem not to be showering every day. Even Governor "Moonbeam" Jerry Brown brags about not taking showers.

Isn't the daily mail a tabloid like the enquirer?  I think these news places have good stories for fun, but for actual news I would to pay too much attention to it.  Fun story though!

Not taking showers, no air conditioning, brown lawns turning to dust. An envirowacko dream is California.

They CAN let water out of the reservoirs to "save" a minnow and to try to get salmon running in certain rivers again, so no showers and farms degrading into dust in the Central Valley is a good thing.

Interesting that 10,000 years of human advancement that allows us to stay cool in the hot summer and take a shower indoors whenever we want is considered to be a bad thing by the envirowackos.

I'm sure humans will somehow be blamed for it even so. It's part of the agenda.

And you wonder why sane people marvel at your paranoia? No, human activities do not influence sunspot cycles. The "agenda" is to figure out what's happening, and find the best-fit explanation for a large body of observations. And make predictions based on that explanation, which leads to more observations and refining of the explanation. If this model of the sun's dynamics is as accurate as it seems, the "agenda" will be to improve the model if possible, to make predictions about the sun we might observe, and to keep researching it.

HOWEVER, if it should happen that this model is highly predictive, AND that we're looking at a very cold spell in 15 years or so, then the question will arise as to what actions we should take for our own good. And THEN we will once again see the conservative agenda of doing nothing and blaming everyone else. The evil "coolists" are trying to take our jobs away! Wahhhh!

It is all those solar panels sucking up the photons that don't beer pong around the planets and back into the sun.

But there is one bright spot. Now it will take some time for those leftists with a vested interest in claiming that "We are all gonna die!" due to world wide global warming but eventually they will have to climb on board with the new information pointing at over all global cooling. At that point it will then be "We are all gonna die!" because of global cooling, but at least at that point they will all be on the same page at last. What a relief!

Somehow I doubt that anyone has a "vested interest" in everybody dying. But if warmth is followed by cooling, I can see that doing nothing about warming might make doing nothing about cooling a little more reasonable.

Let's see...hmmmmm...are these the same bunch of prognosticators from back in '08 who said that New York City was supposed to be under water by June 2015?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june)

It amuses me how the sheeple are so quick to jump on the Government bandwagon. Naturally, most of them have no science background or a college degree in any field of science. We have and will be in a pre-glacial phase of the climate for many many more years. That is a scientific hypothesis bases on historical information gleaned from past history of the Climate Cycle. Also, a huge number of noted Scientists and Organizations that study the Climate have already determined we are still in a cooling phase and this will continue at least for the next decade. As historical data shows, the earth goes through cooling and warming periods, all of the time. Mostly due to volcanic activity, earthquake activity, solar flare activity as proven from the data we have prior to human use of carbon/fossil fuels. While our use of carbon/fossil fuels may be having some very minimal effect on the climate, most non-government paid studies and research indicate that our actions are only a very small percentage of what may cause changes in the climate and even if we stop all use of carbon based/fossil fuels it would have an extremely minimal effect in changing the climate if it does at all. 99% of the studies that the Federal Government sites are paid for by the Federal government/grants by the Federal government. I think studies and research findings by individually funded studies and research may be more truthful or at least no less truthful.

The fact is that at this time we are experiencing changes in the Climate around the World, whether the climate is shifting, warming, cooling has yet to be PROVEN scientifically. To date all results of these studies and research papers are only hypothesis. We need to react to what is happening, for instance, stop building so close to coastal areas, stop rebuilding in areas known to be plagued by tornadoes, stop building in areas located near fault lines and where earthquakes are common. In other words get smart and start reacting to the changing climate instead of attempting to change it(something we are not prepared to do and really don't know how to do).

So you guys believe scientists now?

I recall how many leftist loons after Hurricane Sandy struck the east coast SHRIEKED that a random hurricane was proof not only of global warming but that the east coast was soon going to be under water. Many of them seemed disappointed when the reality did not immediately follow on the heels of their prediction. Alas NYC and other east coast localities remain above the water line. What's a BELIEVER -- and therefore frequently disappointed -- leftest to do?

So now leftists . . . don't?

Didn't say I didn't believe it, just found it humorous how righties are using scientists opinions now. Thought they were a universal government tool to make stuff up. Glad to see you guys paying attention to them now.

Actually it's a leftist canard that Right of Center people are anti-science. It happened when leftists embraced junk environmental suppositions as science and Right of Center people trained in scientific methodology said, "Woah! Wait a minute. These predictions are primarily being based on a wing and a prayer rather than on hard facts and what hard facts do exist do not automatically lend themselves to what soon became a leftist orientated 'doom and gloom' version of 'reality'. The response of feelings-based leftists WITH an ideologically based political agenda? "People Right of Center are anti-science!"

No, they simply do not sanction leftists RAPING science in order to falsely promote an ideologically based political agenda in the name of science and falsely promote it as . . . factual when it is anything but factual in nature.

I'm just happy you guys are quoting scientists these days! Pleasant surprise. Was under the impression that scientists didn't know what they were talking about.

When the leftist influence government began employing suborned scientists to FIND that Climate Change was a reality when the 'science' was still in its infancy then intelligent people who were themselves trained in various sciences . . . got suspicious; and rightly so as it has turned out.

First it was global cooling and then global warming and then cooling and then warming and then finally those government funded scientists hired to get specific results threw up their hands and called it Climate Change, which is a catch-all term that can never be wrong since climate is always changing; always has done so and always will. Psssst . . . leftists thought that nobody would notice that slight of hand game play?

But to their dismay, many of us see right through these envirowackos.

Okay...let me get this straight.

Scientists predict a warmer Earth....they are idiots controlled by government manipulations and unknown financial interests.

Scientists predict a colder Earth...they are geniuses who know everything and deserve a parade.

Reality......the Climate of our planet has changed since the planet formed and will always do so. Scientists will try to figure it out for a very long time and come up with many predictions, some will end up accurate and others will not.

Even more to their dismay, however, is that increasingly mainstream scientists -- who are not employed by various governments to 'discover' Climate Change doom and gloom scenarios -- are rather innocently beginning to poke holes in their pseudo-science boondoggle. When it's the science that actually matters rather than an ideologically based political result . . . interesting things begin happening by way of genuine scientific results backed up by hard data of a sufficient nature to finally begin supporting some predictive structure . . . structure that is now beginning to poke holes in leftist pronouncements.

Ahhhh!! So the scientists are no longer influenced and just telling the truth. Makes sense. I'm glad the conspiracy has been solved and now scientists can tell the truth again!

Actually from the responses, leftists emotionally and (in some cases) financially invested in a "We're all gonna die!" doom and gloom scenario of Global Warming OR Global Cooling seem not to be particularly happy campers anymore because increasingly the science is saying to the world in general, "Um, no we are not."

I'm just glad you guys are listening to scientists again! Very nice change, luckily the scientists are no longer going to tell lies to push a made up agenda.

If the warming alarmists actually followed the science instead of the media and government agencies, they would find the real mess climate science is in presently. Instead they only look at the political consensus as valid.

According to daily mail, they mentioned those image are almost clear sun, I say it is ruthlessly rubbish, no one cannot able to capture the SUN which is millions times hotter than lava temperature and about 13 billion times brighter than the next brightest star, Sirius, with their sophisticated digital innovative satellite cameras, having said that their presumptions also faux and highly misleading.

If a mini ice age were to occur it would be just as bad as global warming.

Jesus needs a break too

I guess earth begin to take over its body, and wont let the human to destroy it anymore. Then earth need to reduce human population and make it more spacious. If scientists can predict the problem, then they should can solve it too, like create a tool that prepare us to face that ice age.

I've read about this from other sources. This is not related to the Earth as it isn't doing anything unusual, but rather the sun. However, I do agree with you that there are a lot of people who are mostly just wasting resources and have minimum to zero contribution to the greater good.
I don't see why we should really put much thought into this. It is just a prediction, and as such they can often be wrong (check the speculation section of this very forum). There is a lot of time before this even happens, so we can just wait it out. We shouldn't worry too much either, as there is really nothing that we can do about it (in case that it does happen).

Global warming? Yeah, right.

I'll just drop the following film in here:

The Great Global Warming Swindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg

Very enlightening, both with solid scientific data, and historic background of where this "global warming"  movement started and how it got nurtured politically. And yes, the Sun is the major driving force for climate on Earth, through so many - often not very obvious - ways.

Yeah but I think atleast we must begin to cautious about this issue, and learn to how face it when the time has come. The "ice age" should not be a problem then if we have known what we will do before.

In 1677, the people living in Europe had no problem in dealing with the cold wave. And in my opinion, with the advancement of technology, the predicted mini-ice age in 2020-22 will hardly have any effect on the humans. That said, some of the bigger Arctic cities might be adversely effected (such as Murmansk, Norilsk and Vorkuta in Russia and Tromsø in Norway). Millions of people might be evacuated to warmer cities.

Thanks To Reduced Solar Activity, We Could Be Heading For A Mini Ice Age In 2030

Life on Earth has always been dependent on the conditions of the Sun, so scientists spend a lot of time studying its activity. A recent announcement from solar scientists suggests that the Sun may soon enter a period of significant reduced activity, possibly causing a mini ice age by 2030 – just 15 years from now.

These predictions were announced at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno, Wales, so it hasn't been possible to evaluate the research yet. However, Professor Valentina Zharkova from the University of Northumbria who made this announcement claims that the findings come from a computer model of sunspots that has made "unprecedentedly accurate predictions," as reported in The Guardian.

The model has shown to have a 97% accuracy when mapping the past movements of sunspots, using data of solar cycles from 1976 to 2008. And if this reliability continues, then the model also has some alarming predictions for the future: a mini ice age sometime around the 2030s.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/we-could-be-heading-mini-ice-age-2030

And what about worldwide crop production?

I guess that's not a problem because if food production goes down, the free market adjusts with higher prices...

Wait....

A solar model prediction is fundamentally different than "speculation."

It's more like predicting what happens when a car goes up a hill.  It slows down, or you give it more gas.  You might speculate a bit about how much it slows down or how much more gas to give it...

Fundamentally? Not really. That's like stating that scientists were never wrong, but the often are. Predicting solar storms is also often wrong.
Anyhow I'd like for more scientists to confirm this, as I've been finding false stories more often. Either the media is really ignorant and has no clues what it is doing or they are doing this on purpose. I could read 1 story about this in 1 newspaper and a completely other one also related to this in another.

Like I previously said, the impact isn't going to be that severe nor do we need to start worrying about it +-15 years before it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

The position I would hold is that because of our increased population, the effects would scale proportionately.

for example...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/opinion/sunday/lessons-from-the-little-ice-age.html?_r=0

 the cold did take a more direct toll. Western Europe experienced the worst harvest of the century in 1648. Rioting broke out in Sicily, Stockholm and elsewhere when bread prices spiked. In the Alps, poor growing seasons became the norm in the 1640s, and records document the disappearance of fields, farmsteads and even whole villages as glaciers advanced to the farthest extent since the last Ice Age. One consequence of crop failures and food shortages stands out in French military records: Soldiers born in the second half of the 1600s were, on average, an inch shorter than those born after 1700, and those born in the famine years were noticeably shorter than the rest.

Few areas of the world survived the 17th century unscathed by extreme weather. In China, a combination of droughts and disastrous harvests, coupled with rising tax demands and cutbacks in government programs, unleashed a wave of banditry and chaos; starving Manchu clansmen from the north undertook a brutal conquest that lasted a generation. North America and West Africa both experienced famines and savage wars. In India, drought followed by floods killed over a million people in Gujarat between 1627 and 1630. In Japan, a mass rebellion broke out on the island of Kyushu following several poor harvests. Five years later, famine, followed by an unusually severe winter, killed perhaps 500,000 Japanese.

Maybe I am wrong in this position.  It's possible, because we are NOT discussing physical phenomena such as the internal Solar dynamics, but the reaction of humans to climate change.

By the way, you noted "I'd like for more solar scientists to confirm this."  Actually, solar scientists have been predicting this for about five years.  Look back in this thread, you will find my discussing it from prior published research.  Essentially it is an area of "Non Denier" research that has not been much paid attention to and in some cases, covered up.  For example, the 3rd IPCC report does not mention solar influences on climate at all and follows the Al Gore/Michael Mann pattern of striking out of existence the Little Ice Age.  But I can see how you might have a skeptical point of view, thinking this was the first published result on this subject.