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Bitcoin => Legal => Topic started by: tully on July 19, 2015, 01:32:51 PM



Title: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tully on July 19, 2015, 01:32:51 PM
Afternoon Guys,

Question about BTC gambling ;)

Is it regulated in the same way traditional online casinos and gambling centers are regulated, which accept fiat for payment? Or do the rules not apply..

Much appreciated 8)


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: Mudd on July 19, 2015, 01:49:30 PM
Well that all depends on the specific casino, but I'm going to say no, most of them are not currently regulated or even have licensees and a lot of them will likely even be illegal to use in certain countries.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tully on July 19, 2015, 01:51:12 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: CEG5952 on July 19, 2015, 01:55:10 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Offshore hosting. They don't directly operate on countries that dislikes their content. If feds are on their asses, they'll just hide in the bush for a while and pop out like a mushroom.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tully on July 19, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Offshore hosting. They don't directly operate on countries that dislikes their content. If feds are on their asses, they'll just hide in the bush for a while and pop out like a mushroom.

Registering their domain openly or anonymously?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: Finchy on July 19, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Lol, how does everything else operate on the open web? Torrent sites, warez sites etc etc. Not all things are illegal everywhere. Some countries ban gambling and porn, but people can freely view them online. Usually the sites are hosted in countries with lax preferences on this or outside the jurisdiction of the certain law enforcement agencies that would take them down. If they were hosted in the US they likely would get taken down pretty fast.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: iqbal14st on July 19, 2015, 02:38:45 PM
yes maybe it's own policy on the gambling site's founder,
by the way, maybe you have the wrong sub-forum ..

CMIIW


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: CEG5952 on July 19, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Offshore hosting. They don't directly operate on countries that dislikes their content. If feds are on their asses, they'll just hide in the bush for a while and pop out like a mushroom.

Registering their domain openly or anonymously?

Well they have this thing called Whois Guard available when you register for a domain name. That's one key to hide their real identity or fake identities being kept.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tully on July 19, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Lol, how does everything else operate on the open web? Torrent sites, warez sites etc etc. Not all things are illegal everywhere. Some countries ban gambling and porn, but people can freely view them online. Usually the sites are hosted in countries with lax preferences on this or outside the jurisdiction of the certain law enforcement agencies that would take them down. If they were hosted in the US they likely would get taken down pretty fast.

Good point, got any examples of the countries with laid back gambling laws?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: iqbal14st on July 19, 2015, 02:47:51 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Offshore hosting. They don't directly operate on countries that dislikes their content. If feds are on their asses, they'll just hide in the bush for a while and pop out like a mushroom.

Registering their domain openly or anonymously?

Well they have this thing called Whois Guard available when you register for a domain name. That's one key to hide their real identity or fake identities being kept.
but to hide their real identity does not mean they can not find .. Some even make them a false identity 8)


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: Stifler on July 19, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Lol, how does everything else operate on the open web? Torrent sites, warez sites etc etc. Not all things are illegal everywhere. Some countries ban gambling and porn, but people can freely view them online. Usually the sites are hosted in countries with lax preferences on this or outside the jurisdiction of the certain law enforcement agencies that would take them down. If they were hosted in the US they likely would get taken down pretty fast.

Good point, got any examples of the countries with laid back gambling laws?

Just find out where all the bitcoin gambling sites are hosted haha. Are you thinking of making one? I do think that they'll start cracking down on them eventually regardless of where they're hosted.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: jjacob on July 19, 2015, 02:56:36 PM
Afternoon Guys,

Question about BTC gambling ;)

Is it regulated in the same way traditional online casinos and gambling centers are regulated, which accept fiat for payment? Or do the rules not apply..

Much appreciated 8)

The same rules apply to other online casinos (fiat or BTC).
Enforcement is a different ball game.  :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: vennali on July 19, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Lol, how does everything else operate on the open web? Torrent sites, warez sites etc etc. Not all things are illegal everywhere. Some countries ban gambling and porn, but people can freely view them online. Usually the sites are hosted in countries with lax preferences on this or outside the jurisdiction of the certain law enforcement agencies that would take them down. If they were hosted in the US they likely would get taken down pretty fast.

Good point, got any examples of the countries with laid back gambling laws?

Just find out where all the bitcoin gambling sites are hosted haha. Are you thinking of making one? I do think that they'll start cracking down on them eventually regardless of where they're hosted.
UK actually has already started getting strict towards these gambling sites that offer their services to UK customers. Since these sites would generate a large amount of revenue to UK for being licensed so they are actually likely to target these hosting sites and shut down these gambling sites.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: everaja on July 19, 2015, 03:08:44 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Much of the Gambling sites are hosted Off shore or are using Anonymous Hosting.
these days hosting with bitcoin is easily available they just grab them and Start running their sites.
Moreover Few countries have ban their users From Gambling like I see williamhills not Operating in US , so the people there are using Proxy.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tully on July 19, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Lol, how does everything else operate on the open web? Torrent sites, warez sites etc etc. Not all things are illegal everywhere. Some countries ban gambling and porn, but people can freely view them online. Usually the sites are hosted in countries with lax preferences on this or outside the jurisdiction of the certain law enforcement agencies that would take them down. If they were hosted in the US they likely would get taken down pretty fast.

Good point, got any examples of the countries with laid back gambling laws?

Just find out where all the bitcoin gambling sites are hosted haha. Are you thinking of making one? I do think that they'll start cracking down on them eventually regardless of where they're hosted.

Gambling's not for me, but know how restricted and regulated the UK market is, made me ask the question ;D

So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Lol, how does everything else operate on the open web? Torrent sites, warez sites etc etc. Not all things are illegal everywhere. Some countries ban gambling and porn, but people can freely view them online. Usually the sites are hosted in countries with lax preferences on this or outside the jurisdiction of the certain law enforcement agencies that would take them down. If they were hosted in the US they likely would get taken down pretty fast.

Good point, got any examples of the countries with laid back gambling laws?

Just find out where all the bitcoin gambling sites are hosted haha. Are you thinking of making one? I do think that they'll start cracking down on them eventually regardless of where they're hosted.
UK actually has already started getting strict towards these gambling sites that offer their services to UK customers. Since these sites would generate a large amount of revenue to UK for being licensed so they are actually likely to target these hosting sites and shut down these gambling sites.

I think most countries would want to take up this approach but like mentioned earlier, it's the enforcement that kills them. If the sites are hosted offshore and used in conjunction with BTC, its a tough nut to crack. Whether you have visited the sites is obviously going to be an easy one to figure out but a suspicion is suspicion and nothing else.

So my next question.. How are they still operating on the open web?

Much of the Gambling sites are hosted Off shore or are using Anonymous Hosting.
these days hosting with bitcoin is easily available they just grab them and Start running their sites.
Moreover Few countries have ban their users From Gambling like I see williamhills not Operating in US , so the people there are using Proxy.

Ahhh, the power of the proxy ::)


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: Amph on July 19, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
keep in mind that many of them are running a small business, authority will not bother with those

you can play on those without problem, at best you can mix your coins or find some of those casino that accept cryptonight altcoin, which would be even better and use a random vpn to register

remember that bitcoin itself isn't regulated in some countries or illegal, yet people use it


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tully on July 19, 2015, 03:30:57 PM
keep in mind that many of them are running a small business, authority will not bother with those

you can play on those without problem, at best you can mix your coins or find some of those casino that accept cryptonight altcoin, which would be even better and use a random vpn to register

remember that bitcoin itself isn't regulated in some country or illegal, yet people use it

Suppose it also comes down to why your using and to what extremity (example: small gambling business: Okay/SilkRoad: NOT OKAY).


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: dothebeats on July 19, 2015, 04:23:44 PM
Afaik, most bitcoin gambling sites are unregistered in any nation or any laws but still it is in operation. Same with bitcoin, though the virtual currency is regulated in some countries, there are other countries that do allow their citizens to use bitcoin as it is.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: DiscoverCebu on July 19, 2015, 04:26:34 PM
BTW you should move this thread to "Gambling" board in the marketplace. If you don't know how, its there in the lower-left corner.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: jt byte on July 19, 2015, 04:28:54 PM
I think it depends on which countries does these operate.
If it is a strong country then i think most of them should be registered.
But in other countries as far as i know bitcoin is not legal to use so might be gambling sites are unregistered.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: vennali on July 22, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
I think it depends on which countries does these operate.
If it is a strong country then i think most of them should be registered.
But in other countries as far as i know bitcoin is not legal to use so might be gambling sites are unregistered.

I am sure US is a strong country and still doesn't have control over majority of the bitcoin gambling sites . Almost all countries require registration and licensing but it becomes difficult for them to execute their legal system against sites accepting only bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: ummina on July 22, 2015, 06:56:41 PM
i dont think so. cause for me gambling not like this.
cause here, we are like very very make some job really.
for me i cant to explain. but for me not gambling.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: mooseCavalry on July 24, 2015, 03:08:39 AM
I'm just happy that my country (Canada) does not tax winnings from gambling.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: lister storm on July 25, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
I think it depends on which countries does these operate.
If it is a strong country then i think most of them should be registered.
But in other countries as far as i know bitcoin is not legal to use so might be gambling sites are unregistered.

I am sure US is a strong country and still doesn't have control over majority of the bitcoin gambling sites . Almost all countries require registration and licensing but it becomes difficult for them to execute their legal system against sites accepting only bitcoin.
Can someone explain why gambling is illegal in America?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: roadbits on July 25, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
I think it depends on which countries does these operate.
If it is a strong country then i think most of them should be registered.
But in other countries as far as i know bitcoin is not legal to use so might be gambling sites are unregistered.

I am sure US is a strong country and still doesn't have control over majority of the bitcoin gambling sites . Almost all countries require registration and licensing but it becomes difficult for them to execute their legal system against sites accepting only bitcoin.
Can someone explain why gambling is illegal in America?
The government does not want foreigners taking away Americans hard earned cash. Only Las Vegas and Atlantic City may do that.  :D


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: erpbridge on July 25, 2015, 06:14:31 PM
I think it depends on which countries does these operate.
If it is a strong country then i think most of them should be registered.
But in other countries as far as i know bitcoin is not legal to use so might be gambling sites are unregistered.

I am sure US is a strong country and still doesn't have control over majority of the bitcoin gambling sites . Almost all countries require registration and licensing but it becomes difficult for them to execute their legal system against sites accepting only bitcoin.
Can someone explain why gambling is illegal in America?

Gambling is not illegal in the entire America. Its only illegal online on sites which are unlicensed , but also some form of gambling is illegal for everyone. There is enough gambling in places like Vegas .

There are still sites after services like Pokerstars shutting down , that have opened up. ACR is one example . Even some of the states have now lifted laws against such gambling sites and are relaxing it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: Mickeyb on July 26, 2015, 08:41:34 AM
I have placed couple of wagers with Bitcoin this year through Nitrogen and Directbet and this thing worked beautifully. No verifications, no limits, no hassle, no taxes, in and out and done!
I was delighted how easy it was! :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: dollarneed on July 27, 2015, 04:43:41 PM
In my country my bitcoin is illegal
but there are so many gambling site here with milions transaction,
and there is no regulation managed them


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: hangar18 on July 27, 2015, 04:48:53 PM
is it illegal for USA users to transfer bitcoins to gambling sites?


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: adzino on July 27, 2015, 04:55:02 PM
is it illegal for USA users to transfer bitcoins to gambling sites?
Not sure but if you read terms of service of most of the gambling/dice sites, they will state that  people located in  US are not allowed to use their service.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: roadbits on July 28, 2015, 04:14:25 PM
is it illegal for USA users to transfer bitcoins to gambling sites?
Not sure but if you read terms of service of most of the gambling/dice sites, they will state that  people located in  US are not allowed to use their service.
Gambling online is not illegal for the user. It is illegal for the Operators
the gambling site is shut down and money frozen.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: erpbridge on July 28, 2015, 07:14:29 PM
is it illegal for USA users to transfer bitcoins to gambling sites?
Don't know any sites which currently blocks deposits of bitcoins for US clients except for Satoshidice which did in the past.

is it illegal for USA users to transfer bitcoins to gambling sites?
Not sure but if you read terms of service of most of the gambling/dice sites, they will state that  people located in  US are not allowed to use their service.
Gambling online is not illegal for the user. It is illegal for the Operators
the gambling site is shut down and money frozen.

In certain states its illegal and there its illegal for both the gambler and the operator.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: tiggytomb on July 28, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
Yeah the UK has become a bit strict requiring a license, I noticed this when I was blocked from a few sites and researched why this was and found this out.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: Finchy on July 29, 2015, 09:35:44 AM
Yeah the UK has become a bit strict requiring a license, I noticed this when I was blocked from a few sites and researched why this was and found this out.

What sites are those exactly?I've never seen or heard of any being blocked but most countries are strict on gambling in the sense that they need regulating and require the appropriate liscences etc.


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: ummina on August 02, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
i think no. cause everyone know about bitcoin.
is it simple, and we just usser and do the command.
and in US gambling is legal..


Title: Re: Bitcoin Gambling
Post by: futurebit640 on August 04, 2015, 04:41:41 PM
Afternoon Guys,

Question about BTC gambling ;)

Is it regulated in the same way traditional online casinos and gambling centers are regulated, which accept fiat for payment? Or do the rules not apply..

Much appreciated 8)
There are no specific laws about gambling with bitcoin. The common sense approach is to assume if it is illegal with fiat its illegal with bitcoin and if its legal with fiat its legal with bitcoin.