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Title: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 24, 2015, 03:19:26 PM
https://blockchain.info/tx/4a5e1e4baab89f3a32518a88c31bc87f618f76673e2cc77ab2127b7afdeda33b?show_adv=true (https://blockchain.info/tx/4a5e1e4baab89f3a32518a88c31bc87f618f76673e2cc77ab2127b7afdeda33b?show_adv=true)

CoinBase
04ffff001d0104455468652054696d65732030332f4a616e2f32303039204368616e63656c6c6f7 2206f6e206272696e6b206f66207365636f6e64206261696c6f757420666f722062616e6b73
(decoded) ��EThe Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

https://i.imgur.com/5s3f3rzl.jpg

Not necessarily for sale, but figured I'd see if there's any interest out there. Was planning to hold this long-term.

This paper is EXTREMELY hard to come by. Garages and attics all over the world are filled with newspapers depicting historic events (man walks on moon! elvis dead! etc), but this particular copy of The Times was completely unremarkable the day it was published, and most of the edition likely ended up in landfills.  Super hard to find, and therefore super hard to price. Charlie Shrem talked about selling one of these for 8-10btc at a conference, but I can't find any solid info beyond that.



Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: TookDk on July 24, 2015, 04:42:53 PM
Nice item :)

Is this the same one you snipped for 0.26 BTC one year ago?
Or do you have more of them?


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 24, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
Same one. Deal of a lifetime 8)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: TookDk on July 24, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Same one. Deal of a lifetime 8)

Could not agree more, very well done.
This piece belong on a museum.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: Quickseller on July 24, 2015, 05:46:45 PM
How did you get this for .26 ?!?!


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: teddy5145 on July 24, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
I think im blind, but, how did this paper ended up so expansive?
Is it because its old newspaper or because it has interesting news on it  ???
Im not really following international news sorry  :(


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: TookDk on July 24, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
I think im blind, but, how did this paper ended up so expansive?
Is it because its old newspaper or because it has interesting news on it  ???

The coin base parameter on the bitcoin genesis block (block 0) contain this string:
5468652054696d65732030332f4a616e2f32303039204368616e63656c6c6f72206f6e206272696 e6b206f66207365636f6e64206261696c6

Which translate into:
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

When Satoshi forged the Genesis block he made this to link the date to a real world physical item, the New York UK Times headline for the 2009-01-03.

Im not really following international news sorry  :(

This is also the reason why the newspaper is rare, there was no big international event that day.
But for bitcoiners is this ofcause a very very very very important date, and that is why some collectors are willing to pay big bucks for this news paper.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: kebabman on July 24, 2015, 07:20:02 PM
I think im blind, but, how did this paper ended up so expansive?
Is it because its old newspaper or because it has interesting news on it  ???

The coin base parameter on the bitcoin genesis block (block 0) contain this string:
5468652054696d65732030332f4a616e2f32303039204368616e63656c6c6f72206f6e206272696 e6b206f66207365636f6e64206261696c6

Which translate into:
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

When Satoshi forged the Genesis block he made this to link the date to a real world physical item, the New York times headline for the 2009-01-03.

Im not really following international news sorry  :(

This is also the reason why the newspaper is rare, there was no big international event that day.
But for bitcoiners is this ofcause a very very very very important date, and that is why some collectors are willing to pay big bucks for this news paper.

One correction, that's The Times (UK newspaper) not The New York Times. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: Hellot on July 24, 2015, 08:09:14 PM
I've been looking for a copy of the full original paper, not a re-print.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 24, 2015, 11:23:54 PM
I've been looking for a copy of the full original paper, not a re-print.

This is the full original. There's a minor tear on the back page (nothing missing), and it's the Scotland edition.

...SCOTLAND EDITION?!

Yep. Extra valuable if it turns out Satoshi wears a kilt 8)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: Hellot on July 24, 2015, 11:50:38 PM
I've been looking for a copy of the full original paper, not a re-print.

This is the full original. There's a minor tear on the back page (nothing missing), and it's the Scotland edition.

...SCOTLAND EDITION?!

Yep. Extra valuable if it turns out Satoshi wears a kilt 8)

I couldn't read the certificate in this thread but found: https://i.imgur.com/5s3f3rz.jpg and was able to read it, very cool!  I'm going to contact paperspast to see if they have more but I suspect they are out.. :(


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 24, 2015, 11:52:06 PM
I've been looking for a copy of the full original paper, not a re-print.

This is the full original. There's a minor tear on the back page (nothing missing), and it's the Scotland edition.

...SCOTLAND EDITION?!

Yep. Extra valuable if it turns out Satoshi wears a kilt 8)

I couldn't read the certificate in this thread but found: https://i.imgur.com/5s3f3rz.jpg and was able to read it, very cool!  I'm going to contact paperspast to see if they have more but I suspect they are out.. :(

Yep, I contacted them looking for info on the certificate. They don't have any more copies, were slightly confused by all the requests they'd been getting, and wouldn't tell me too much about the certificate except that it came from them.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: ausbit on July 25, 2015, 12:45:14 AM
But that paper does have a great historic event on the cover.
"Pub lowers cost of a pint to 99p down from £1.69"
Now that's big news!

Only joking, im jealous.
Nice paper nubbins, what's with the with sticker on the cover?


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 25, 2015, 12:52:01 AM
But that paper does have a great historic event on the cover.
"Pub lowers cost of a pint to 99p down from £1.69"
Now that's big news!

Only joking, im jealous.
Nice paper nubbins, what's with the with sticker on the cover?

It's a slip of paper w/ my PGP fingerprint written on it! (Did anyone actually verify OP?)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: bitmarket.io on July 25, 2015, 03:44:53 AM
nubs did u see my topic i recently opened? funny how i open i wanna buy one and u open one to gauge interest and even funnier that u are the one who has one! i am interested. give me a price. i also want a detailed picture. i want it in tip top condition. also where did u get it? u can pm me. i'll be back on IRC next week.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 25, 2015, 02:09:57 PM
nubs did u see my topic i recently opened? funny how i open i wanna buy one and u open one to gauge interest and even funnier that u are the one who has one! i am interested. give me a price. i also want a detailed picture. i want it in tip top condition. also where did u get it? u can pm me. i'll be back on IRC next week.

Heh, just saw it. If you're just looking for the front page for framing, this one is in immaculate condition. What are you gonna do with the rest of the paper?  :P


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: unamis76 on July 25, 2015, 05:02:09 PM
I might be interested, depending on the price this fetches


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: wheelz1200 on July 25, 2015, 05:30:35 PM
The value is escaping a lot of people.  Can you confirm any pm bids for this?


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: DebitMe on July 25, 2015, 05:41:19 PM
Dang that is a cool piece of history.  Insanely jealous you were able to buy it for .26 btc.  I would scoop as many as I could up in a heart beat at that price and frame them.

I honestly believe you would get multiple bitcoin for something like this at auction, very cool, thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: bitmarket.io on July 25, 2015, 08:22:10 PM
i ***assume*** only the front page holds value. Or most of it. The full front page, mint shape, uncut. perfect corners are important. It's all about those shitty edges. That's why I would like some more photos.

Also I know u do a lot of printing and stuff, could you have it perfectly framed too? The right size, high quality frame. It's got to preserve it.

I am very interested. Before you sell this to anyone you spam the shit out of me until I respond. :)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: monkeynuts on July 25, 2015, 10:11:43 PM
How did you get this for .26 ?!?!

As I remember he sniped me in an auction !!! Glad I had already got the second copy that seller was selling by PM  ;) .... but at a higher price  :'(

I have tried all outlets in the UK for additional copies. There are none available. Some say they have them, you go through to purchase, they accept your order, and they then are forced to cancel it when they realise they dont actually have one. These do not come up for sale very often. If anyone is wanting a copy, take this chance, no saying when the next one would come along. Rarer than a Karpeles apology.

(and no I am not selling mine !)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: VirosaGITS on July 25, 2015, 11:40:51 PM
Wow i never knew the history behind block 0.

This is another one of those "damn i wish i had a time machine" moment.

Maybe it is also a clue about Satoshi's mysteries? ;)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: TookDk on July 25, 2015, 11:54:25 PM
Maybe it is also a clue about Satoshi's mysteries? ;)

Well... You can look at it in two ways:
1. Satoshi must be from UK since he used the UK times.
2. Satoshi is not from UK, since he would never use a paper from his home country, since it would be easier to guess his identity.

So bottom line, the newspaper provides no useable clue.

Speaking off Satoshi, I think those analysis made, where someone found correlation in noun spectra for the first 0-50000 blocks is really interesting.
The statical information could be used to make a "good guess" on how many block rewards he actually claimed.
Another interesting thing, the first blocks mined (especially block 0), is much more worth than 50 BTC, these virgin coins could properly be sold on auction at a much higher price.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: VirosaGITS on July 26, 2015, 12:05:09 AM
Maybe it is also a clue about Satoshi's mysteries? ;)

Well... You can look at it in two ways:
1. Satoshi must be from UK since he used the UK times.
2. Satoshi is not from UK, since he would never use a paper from his home country, since it would be easier to guess his identity.

So bottom line, the newspaper provides no useable clue.

Speaking off Satoshi, I think those analysis made, where someone found correlation in noun spectra for the first 0-50000 blocks is really interesting.
The statical information could be used to make a "good guess" on how many block rewards he actually claimed.
Another interesting thing, the first blocks mined (especially block 0), is much more worth than 50 BTC, these virgin coins could properly be sold on auction at a much higher price.

Naw i didnt mean it literally/simply like for a location of where Satoshi is from. Just a piece of the puzzle or words in the articles etc. After all, this is cryptography and developers often love adding "easter eggs" to their projects. So why not a Crypto easter egg? ;)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 26, 2015, 02:28:59 AM
I have tried all outlets in the UK for additional copies. There are none available. Some say they have them, you go through to purchase, they accept your order, and they then are forced to cancel it when they realise they dont actually have one. These do not come up for sale very often. If anyone is wanting a copy, take this chance, no saying when the next one would come along. Rarer than a Karpeles apology.

(and no I am not selling mine !)

Yipes, after reading that, maybe I'm not selling mine  :D


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: monkeynuts on July 26, 2015, 06:22:27 AM
I have tried all outlets in the UK for additional copies. There are none available. Some say they have them, you go through to purchase, they accept your order, and they then are forced to cancel it when they realise they dont actually have one. These do not come up for sale very often. If anyone is wanting a copy, take this chance, no saying when the next one would come along. Rarer than a Karpeles apology.

(and no I am not selling mine !)

Yipes, after reading that, maybe I'm not selling mine  :D

I did once have another copy and I traded it with Charlie ... Not for anywhere near the price he was talking about selling one for though. Regretted it for a while until that other one came along. Thought I wasn't gonna find another.

I am sure there are some more out there..... Somewhere.



Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 27, 2015, 02:38:23 AM
Bumping with a related image...

https://i.imgur.com/tipaGmo.jpg


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: DebitMe on July 27, 2015, 03:00:55 AM
I was just about to comment and ask if there was anyway you would be interested in doing a print run off something related to that newspaper, whether that be a copy of the front page or something inspired by it, etc...

Would be the next best thing next to actually owning a copy.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 27, 2015, 12:38:24 PM
You were just about to and then you did? :D


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: DebitMe on July 27, 2015, 01:34:24 PM
You were just about to and then you did? :D

Well you posted a picture of your last screen print, and that made me think you were hinting at doing another.  I guess I was just overly excited.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on July 27, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
You were just about to and then you did? :D

Well you posted a picture of your last screen print, and that made me think you were hinting at doing another.  I guess I was just overly excited.

A-ha!

Copyright law prevents me from duplicating the cover without permission, but I've been toying with doing a print that involves this particular newspaper in a "derived work" sort of manner. Summer is busy time for paid work, though, so you might not see it for a while  8)


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on December 10, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Sorry for necro-ing this thread. Mods, feel free to relocate it to Collectibles.

Just seeing if there's any interest in a 24h auction on January 3, 2016, to mark Bitcoin's 7th.


Title: Re: [Interest check] Satoshi's Genesis Block newspaper
Post by: nubbins on December 14, 2015, 03:45:34 AM
Update: This item is rolled into the big collector's sale I've got going over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288536.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288536.0)

Locking thread.