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I think there are alot of these threads, but too many are by butthurt losers. I'm not butthurt, in total, I am 5+ BTC in profit on Primedice, but I still hate it. I think a thread must be made, because many noobies are coming in thinking that Primedice is the best dice site that exists. Here are my reasons why you should NEVER EVER play on Primedice.

1. The MAX button has been proven rigged.

Yes, yes it's true. Not just an accusation. It's been proven rigged after lots of investigation. Are normal rolls rigged? No of course not. But clicking max triggers a code that makes you lose a ridiculous more percentage than normal. If you absolutely insist on playing on Primedice, NEVER click the max button.

2. The admins are corrupt.

There's alot of bad things to say about Stunna, but I will try to make it as short as possible. For one, they will never help you no matter what. All they really care about if your money, not you being happy. They simply cannot manage a website. There is constantly problems and waiting and more problems, without any compensation. Again, they don't care about you being happy. They make tens of BTC a day, hundreds some days, but cannot afford giving out more than 0.001/user in giveaways. By depositing to Primedice, consider your deposit a gift to Stunna.

3. Mods are corrupt.

"Rolling is only half of the fun" they say. On Primedice, rolling is all the fun. The chat is complete garbage. Stunna is never active, meaning he has no idea who to make mod. There have been beggars (steveds, Randall) made mod, scammers (Nil), idiots who are just old users, but don't know how to moderate (TheFrog, LabKitty), and most of all, good mods who are never, ever on chat (Zoltan, Serlite, hui). If you ever choose to open the chat, expect begging, scamming, loan requests, spam, and the worst.

4. Rolls are slow.

This has been a big one lately. Rolls take from 3x up to 10x longer than competing sites. This is due to the large number of bets made per second. It causes server lag, yet admins don't care. There have been numerous requests asking for the servers to be upgraded, but Stunna doesn't care. Especially during autobet is this extremely annoying.

5. Withdrawals aren't always instant.

About 20% of withdrawals aren't instant. There is a glitch in the withdrawal system that doesn't give you your withdrawal right away. It puts a fake tx id in the Transaction Log. You must wait 1 hour+ for your withdrawal to come.

6. Support has been voted the WORST on the Internet.

No point in spamming their bitcointalk thread, they won't respond here either! Primedice was voted to have one of the worst support system's on the entire web! Not only should you wait normally around a week for a reply, but they don't fix anything! If you accidentally deposited to your old account, expect 4-5 exchanges of emails (around a month) to get your account back. People call support a complete JOKE, but again, Stunna doesn't care! He's still making money. If anything goes wrong, don't waste your time and just give up! I'd rather call up Indian support who knows 0% English than deal with Primedice.

Got any other reasons? If this isn't enough, what is? Will you have to hear that Primedice is scamming so you don't play? No, just choose ANY other website to play on. Here is my personal recommendation for alternatives:

http://bitdice.me
http://prcdice.eu
http://dustdice.com
http://safedice.com

Try those instead of Primedice! Feel free to leave comments below about how shitty Primedice has been to you!

So, where is the proof? How exactly are they cheating users if everything is provably fair? Would love to hear more about this.

I just did a simple test on it.
After clicking the max button, neither my server seed hash nor client seed have been changed. The nonce is correctly increased by one.
I have also checked that the server seed revealed does match with the hash given prior to the bet. The numbers rolled also matches with the ones I computed using the code on https://primedice.com/verify

OP, proof please?

accusation without any proof is completely rubbish. it might be rigged, no one knows, unless someone bring solid proof. as for now gamble what you can afford to lose.

Agree.


The good thing about provably fair is that if a site is rigged, you will know immediately when you verify your bets.



This holds for all types of gambling, bitcoin or not, provably fair or not.

6. Support has been excellent for a very long time.

I don't play there anymore since I stopped playing dice, but the support was great and they answered either "really fast" or later the same day.

Edit:
OP is a first day newbie, you must of had tons of experience on Bitcoin sites...

When did you last play? 2003?

How much of that profit did you lose on a max bet? Go all in thinking that 90%+ chance wouldn't lose? ::)

I'm glad I found this out earlier before winning 5 BTC. But I've lost amounts around ~0.1. The code raises the loss percentage based on how big the amount you are betting also.

Don't get the idea that I'm a kiddie calling the whole site rigged. Just some sneaky code in the max button actions.

Wow.   That's a very long post with 0 proof of any of the accusations that you made.   You could have cut it in half and actually added a link to your "proof" that the max button is rigged.   Last I checked, PD was probably fair, so to make an accusation of that weight you should probably post evidence.   

All the other stuff is secondary, but it would have helped if you cited specific examples. 

You're funny aren't you. Nice FUD. Go prove they rigged their bets or did any of the above - It's all possible with the provably fair system and simple evidence.

I must say support has been slow though.

For the bold part, how exactly does PD do that?
Do you notice your number not generated using the correct algorithm or do you notice your bet settling as a loss when the number is within the winning range?
If you do, please describe it with details such as bet ID and seed pairs.
If you don't, please explain how it is "proven rigged".

So you made an effort to write all of these without any proofs?
I guess you lose a lot on PD and now you're broke,  blaming PD on all of your loss.

The ONLY one I agree with is #4 since rolls are slower than most sites. However, the other points are BS until proof is provided considering Provably Fair is EXTREMELY hard, if not hard, impossible to try to "bend rules" for....

Primedice has been running successfully from a long period of time, I think that tells that they can manage a site very efficiently and I don't know about your experience but in mine I have find Stunna to be very helpful.

Also just a week back or so they did a 0.005 BTC giveaway and couple of months before that 2 giveaways of 0.01 to per person and without any conditions, you can play or withdraw. I think that's pretty generous.


PD is most famous BTC Dice site, it is visited by 1000s of people from around the world, which includes trolls, beggars, scammers etc. Mods do try to mute them as much they can but they can't be active 24/7.


Maybe. But that again says that the site is too busy and visited by so many players.


Never had any late withdrawals but even if they're late sometimes, you can be damn sure that you'll get them eventually.


Support is slow and it is discussed in their thread as well but they are careful and don't want to hire any personnel which might put user's accounts in danger.

seems like op's opinion going to take down primedice.
and i think op just another primedice rival.
this is just an opinion.
attacking trusted website, trusted person around here without any valid proof ? go home child.

Sincerely hoping this one is true. ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=951247.0 :(

OP, focus your attention on these casinos that are truly rigged:

bitcasino.io
4grinz.com
vegascasino.io
mbitcasino.com

They all use the coingaming.io platform and all of them besides vegascasino.io have topics here. primedice is provably fair and can be proven. i do not even play dice sites and i know that. go after the true scammers.

In my opinion.

Do you have any proof that your bets will be rigged if you bet using the max button.
So far, I have not seen any proof that Primedice is rigged although there are lots of accusation.

It is quite possible, but really hard to prove and need a lot of testing, as there are not many people playing using max button.
It is the same debate as "I lost 10 times in a row! Primedice must be rigged!" - but these kind of topics are usually created by angry gamblers who lost their coins.
With max button it might be the same.

why you should make this thread? this is useless
better you keep your mouth. it is dangerous. so far for years primedice doing very nice work with strong community. you cannot talk like this with no proof.

all gambling sites are rigged, especially when you loose
but everytime you win, its legit and fair site  ;D

that's right sir. i know you have felt like that   :D
people always can't accept their lost and start complain and babble,
if win, they are silent.

Where is this sneaky code then? LOL, you can't just say this and not provide any proof. If this was true this would be a very serious scam and you should open a scam accusation against primedice with all of the proof.

please don't insult ribbit aka TheFrog, he's one of our finest mods.

other than that it sounds like the classic butthurt post. hope you're getting better one day.  :)

Maybe include your proof. The site is provably fair so it should be easy. Until then I don't think it's worth reading the rest of your post.

Well for this point I have issue and I have sent it to PD support since 21 Jun 2015 . The problem is THEIR SUPPORT IS STILL NOT RESPOND AT ALL UNTIL NOW.
I do not know is their support is really handle with human or not.

https://i.imgur.com/02lTzdN.jpg

Maybe Primedice doesn't have regular customer support guys on staff only mods in the chat and Stunna is handling the customer complaints who knows.

I figured, since Dooglus posted, I shall as well.

THE MAX BUTTON you say gives you a more loss percentage?
Did you notice how the win% stayed the same? That means your chance to lose is the same.
I think it's a bad case of 'reverse self-fulfilling prophecy'.

You said rolls are slow?

Try betting more than 1000 satoshis, and your rolls are fast as lightning.

They aren't going slow because of 'server' issues. Their API is set to limit the speed so the server doesn't crash from the volume of bets that go through per second.

You could also use your brain and make a script that uses the API directly to bet, and your bets would even go faster... Source: I use a bot that does this, and my bets are way faster (even when betting ZERO).

Every Client seed is nonced, and unless your NONCE is skipped, there is no way they could have possibly rigged your rolls, unless of course the rolls don't verify, in which case they rigged it. But of course, that hasn't been the case here EVER.

Take your SKID-FUD else where.

There is absolutely no way in hell that this claim is true. There are so many bullshit companies out there (Comcast, EA, etc.) which have exponentially worse customer support. There is no possible way that little Primedice was voted worse than these big wigs, unless the poll took place solely within the Bitcoin community (and even then it's misleading/partially inaccurate).

primedice is one of the old dice game so it hard to get down ;)

Damn man! How the hell did I won 4 btc from bitcasino in 2 days,I must have been a magician

Are you just wanna abuse PD and promote the other side :) always instant deposit and withdraw at PD. But never know about support team..

Primedice is the most reputed and old dice site. But after seeing what satoshi dice did any site can turn scam. but still if it is rigged post proper proof or your making huge posts is useless.

Every now and then a troll comes by and say oh I lost there it must be scam. And writes some fake options.

Only those two are worth to try , add another on the list betterbets.io  ::) dont need to believe me just try it once and you'll love it


LOL you obviously never try the other site to say the rolls are lightning fast  ::) PD is very slow if you compare it to any other site totally LOL

Maybe because there is less people? I would count that too.
But please don't talk about how fast 999dice is, I would laugh at you.

I don't honestly think PD's maxbet is rigged. :P
Proof? Evidence to support your claim, please.



I don't think Bitcasino.io is a scam/rigged site either, AFAIK.





Add Da Dice to the list. ;D

ahahahaha shit, that was me.  :'(

That is correct and incorrect at the same time.  Primedice is a dice site, it's a business.  So of course money is key.  BUT, if users were not happy with the site, then primedice wouldn't be able to MAKE any money off them, correct? ::)

You cant go around making accusations without any proof.

While it is good to be suspicious you are taking it to another level with no proof you have just wrote a wall of text that means nothing. How long have Primedice been up and running and how many "reputable" members like dooglus have looked into them and their provably fair? If there has not been anything come from that member then I will continue to play their and deposit as well as some of the others you mentioned. Granted their support could be a little faster.

i only agree with this, the rolls on prime dice is supper slow and it is getting really annoying . while other gambling dicees are having faster rolls

i see a lot of newbie people nowadays who are posting a lot of new topics about how reputable dice websites are scamming people and so on, i guess we shouldnt pay too much attention to it

There isnt any restriction that one should not be able to post what he thought about a gambling site if his account is a newbie here. In fact some people use leftover / new account to voice crazy opinion such like this without presenting any proof to back his claim (plus this will leave his main account harmless, assuming he has one )


Little? it needs to be alot faster. Kinda funny for the current leading dice site in this industry to have slowish support however things might change soon as MICRO has stated they will add another support staff soon

well i guess the support problem is because of bunch of multi accounts or bots that spam them emails and they have to undergo all of those to check the real letters

No proof


No proof


No proof. Possible, I haven't been watching the mod scene, but as an ex-PD mod I doubt this. Not coming on often doesn't make you corrupt. If a mod is corrupt and abusing power screenshot and report it to Stunna. Easy. I guarantee you Stunna will deal with it and either talk to or demote the mod. And if there really is a problem, Stunna could always ask someone to watch chat to see if there is abuse and report it.


True but that's somewhat intended I thought. Also, PD has an extremely high load.


No proof. This is possible though, haven't withdrawn from PD in a while.


No proof.

TL;DR a bunch of moaning with no actual proof or evidence.

Ahh Diamond, never cared to learn of new things outside of your noobie 13-year old mind. It's ok son, soon enough you will learn there is more to the world than minecraft and winning Internet arguements.

well 999dice and primedice are in the same category, maybe that is the reason stuna loves jake so much :)
about max bet on primedice and 999dice, they are the same too :D

any proof about it or did you just loose the max bet on 50 per cent winning chance? everyone is yelling that the dice ther is rigged but no one provides any proof

losing max bet from first time on 95%+ first attempt, yeah i know once in twenty times will happend bla bla
in both sites 999dice=primedice. thats my 2 cents only, im not crypto/random expert either.

Their customer service sucks, it is true, i heard they have earned over 10k btc from gamblers, but this kind of poor CS doesn't deserve the successes, it is absurd that they didn't answer some people's tickets sent 1 month ago, ridiculous support. They have so much money but don't be willing to enhance the service, it sucks.

i agree with you they need to fix the support as soon as possible if they dont want to loose players they are so successful because they were one of the first dice website in my opinion

This matter has been addressed few times in PrimeDice's thread though It is not likely that Stunna doesnt want to improve the support service however it is pretty hard for him to hire someone that he trust. Check the link below and you will see how he valued email address to be a sensitive information , therefore he is pretty cautios in dealing with this stuff. Things might change soon with the new support staff

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg11958769#msg11958769

I'm not a big fan of Primedice but I'm pretty sure this thread is bull shit. Primedice has been proven over a long period to be one of the most trustworthy, reliable, user friendly bitcoin gambling sites out there.

Yeah, okay.

In all fairness if you show me some proof I will gladly acknowledge it. But your logic goes along the same line as me being able to say your father is Adolf Hitler, which must be true even though I have no proof because a stranger said it on the internet, right?

See, if you don't know alot about Primedice, you can't jump to this conclusion. Any old Primedice players would take what you said as a joke xD

Every time any user lose more btc to gambling, open a thread for advise scam or other accusation . Why play gambling if you don't say lose?

are you an old player to know that? i mean you are newbie on this forum, also i believe that primedice is trustworthy and only some people who loose money there with martingale says its not

Why you should never deposit on PrimeDice? Simple, if you are so smart you don't know where the deposit button is.

haha its a good one :D though if for real i think that all casinos with that provably fairness can be rigged, maybe it requires some effort but i believe its possible and everything can be turned to scam

Well apart from other complaints which I think are based on personal experience and they can be different from person to person, the claim about Max button being rigged is the only one which is the most serious one and until you can back it up with some proofs, no one will take you seriously.

 That's very correct, pd is a joke now lol. They start at 2013 that's why they are popular , I agree with how sucks their supports are

If you want a very fast site go to betterbets
If you want a beautiful site go to safe dice
If you bet very big then go to PRC

I used to play in PD about 8 months ago and all was good
maybe all what you said is true even the site was perfect in my experience , but till now I'm trying to understand the max button's thing  ???

IMO must keep in mind that a bitcoin casino operator that is caught cheating, even just once, is basically out of business. So I think the incentives are for operators to act fairly.

When you claim a site is proven rigged, you are expected to give us proofs, don't you think so?

Not true.

dadice is an obvious scam yet its still in business

I'm waiting to see that proof as well. What I will say is there are ways for provably fair casinos to "rig" bets that would potentially go undetected if players aren't vigilant. Ultimately this (https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d) is proof that we would never do that and to this point in bitcoin gaming I think there stands no greater test of an operator's fairness than the hufflepuff incident [Wouldn't we have noticed the exploit immediately if we had attempted to rig the bets?]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience and lost your funds, but we gave you the fairest experience possible in online gaming from an edge and fairness perspective. And best of all, you don't have to take my word for it.

dadice is good for me.. so far no problem with it.. why must you said
it scam while dadice is still running and paying.dont just say it coz you hate it.

OP is probably angry at himself that he pressed the Max button and is blaming it on Primedice ;P

after reading your complete post i did not see any proofs you gave ? you claimend many things you said the max button is rigged you just said it yourself withour any explainations and proofs probably you have lost big money in the site while trying to make big money so you are just showing your anger againest the site verry bad

i think it is time that PrimeDice made some changes around their site like the getting a better host for faster bets and a better support group

Meanwhile I'm still laughing for "admins are corrupted"
It's the best troll attempt ever.

why do you have a signature ( which you made in the post yourself ) above your actual signature ? dont look like a good idea

Because he is a smarty boy..don't you know that smart people have put competitors websites right in your face? Maybe he wants to be paid more.

You need to change your signature because some mod will delete it for you. It ways too big. Read the forum rules on signature size. Also since its a new account, your sig needs to be smaller.

the only two things that are right are number 4 and 6 and the rest doesn't look like valid points to me since OP didn't provide any proof or even screenshots.

but the issue about the slow bets is really bothering because it takes a long time for people who want to use autobets and bet a large number of bets in their strategies. in comparison to other sites it is way slower.

I dont think that's a signature, it is just a posted image that he used to promote his site like on a signature space. His real signature is only "Edge as low as 0.01% (https://qdice.net)" So I think it is not against the rules. Correct me If I was wrong..
 

It's still advertising.
And people, here the proof that Max button is rigged!
https://i.imgur.com/nCqy8oC.png

nice rolls mate, 5 times max bet in a row and straight win.


countered! defended! your suggestion for "do not or even never click the max button" have made FanEagle on profit. with his five times max bet IN A ROW and nothing wrong he got straight win.
usually people start scream "scam" "rigged" etc when they are on lost and frustate position.
so, think good either before you post anything.

The dice site (and the same the casino or the sporting bet) can not be for all  ;D
Primedice is the site more old of dice bitcoin

hmm this is a bold statement backed by no proof so far :O I myself have had a good experience on primedice even though I lost a bitcoin there It was worth the time :D

I agree with the OP on these points, well other just seem to be because of the rage.
In my experience mods are not good, but had this incident with only steveds(who is now unmodded, or demodded).
And support, well when you got thousands of players playing on the site and say if 0.1% have issues in one day, it would take a lot of time to fish out the "garbage" support emails from the important ones.

well there have been mods who have been unprofessional in the past and steve is a example but I don't know if they are corrupt in the sense that people like MICRO have helped out wherever they can

Well I think steve got modded because of his huge chat activity(he's second after singpays), and yes MICRO is a helpful mod who does come to the chat frequently, same goes for LabKitty, hasnt had a problem with him/her .

still cant believe what happened to steve after he got into power lol it went to his head sadly :( singpays should be modded tbh lol I can see why some people call the mods corrupt but basing it on one mod isn't too fair tbh

There are always people who don't like mods. It does not matter if we are talking of mods of primedice, other casinos or bitcointalk. There always be bashing and accusation that they are corrupt.
Most of the time these accusations are just bull, but people who lost money are more likely to complain harder.

I don't think it works like that though, more messages you have more chances you have of being a mod, btw singpays seems like a good guy but I havent yet seen him actually trying to maintain the chat or help newbies, that sort of stuff that mods should do.

I thought the OP is serious , but it seems that he will never post a proof about the max button thing
so I will just take your max button proof  ;D

I've had no problems myself but i also dont ever gamble or deposit huge amounts i cant afford to lose and put myself under any pressure.  I have found mostly all of my withdraws appart from one to be instant and i assume the time it wasn't was to refill a hot wallet like how any exchange opperates.  The lag can be a bit of a problem i think they are victims of their own success perhaps.

wow, such huge and agreesive statements, you should be aware of the risks involved.

Huge and aggressive? This is the truth of Primedice.

The thing is, you never posted any hard proof or facts. You just made some statements. And lately alot of people have been attacking PrimeDice. Its most likely because its the largest dice site out there.

The only point in this thread that I might agree with is the fact that moderation there is not the best, there are some active and reasonably friendly mods like macro (not customer service-friendly but reasonable) but other than these few other moderators are absent for most of the time and beggars/spammers dominate during these periods.

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True, thats gambler's fallacy at work. Those people should realize every roll is independent so any amount of streaks at any multiplier is possible, add that to the house edge and you will always lose in the long run.
But about the PD support, things have changed since MICRO has taken control, average response time is 2.7 hrs these days be sure to try them to find it out.

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29 thousand 246 btc or 29.246, if its the first one I'm not believing that. Proof: txid.
Misleading post, it is mBTC not BTC:

i'm not an active player at the site but this site has delightful a lot of people with always give them with thousands mBTC and also i didn't see the proof about this condition and if you can't proof about your statement i'm pretty doubt people would trust this

must have losen his money and prooving now primedice as rigged , but i dont think it is rigged btw ... please give us proof OP

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FTR it was 29.246BTC.

Any txid proof of it as well? Or are you just bluffing? After you have repeatedly denied showing your jackpot's payout cold address, I'm very skeptic about your site.

Never deposit.

I've a different reason to never deposit to primedice.. it is because Primedice have built in faucet and give free satoshi for win ..  ;D ;D
and I don't play for money I always play for fun and timepass and. depositing money and loosing them doesn't make sense for me. I always play on sites who have faucets and give free coins to play. and I love it.

I think max button isnt rigged all of the time, because i win most of the time with it..
and withdraws are always instant for in but the deposit takes more then 20 mins for me,  ???