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Title: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 04:32:39 PM
Video time 1:15-http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-selling-fear-prejudice/story?id=32695350 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-selling-fear-prejudice/story?id=32695350)

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First it was john mcCain saying we were crazies, now where on the dark side of the force? can he go any lower with his coment of analogies of his own people of his party? these candidates from the nwo are in panic mode right now really worried that he will win the nomination.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: tomor on July 27, 2015, 04:34:14 PM
That's why I call him Lindsey Grahmnesty.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 04:36:10 PM
That's why I call him Lindsey Grahmnesty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deIC2w3KHnk&feature=youtu.be

Did yah see this LOL!


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: little.cheekie on July 27, 2015, 04:39:28 PM
Prejudice is a "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience" and thus is the wrong word to have been used here to describe Trump, his message, or his supporters.

The economic destruction, property devaluing, educational decline, drugs, disease, rape, child molesting, and death that illegal invaders bring to America is a well documented fact with decades of evidence.

The leftist notion that all illegals are here to work for a better life and are good people is "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience" and thus it is the left that has the prejudice.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: rio3232 on July 27, 2015, 04:40:41 PM
Video time 1:15-http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-selling-fear-prejudice/story?id=32695350 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-selling-fear-prejudice/story?id=32695350)

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First it was john mcCain saying we were crazies, now where on the dark side of the force? can he go any lower with his coment of analogies of his own people of his party? these candidates from the nwo are in panic mode right now really worried that he will win the nomination.

I agree that Trump is more appealing than Lindsay Graham or Jeb Bush, but if he wants to continue to move forward in his bid for the US Presidency he needs to sharpen his message and for gods sake quit the silly bragging about himself. He comes off as very insecure when he continually tells everyone how smart he is and how successful he is. A little bit of humility and a lot more specifics regarding the issues would go a long way for Mr. Trump in his quest for the prize. Whoever is running his campaign is either powerless to stop this guy from constantly sticking his foot in his mouth or knows this is just a joke candidacy from the start.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 04:43:04 PM
Prejudice is a "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience"

                                              http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Trump_and_Rodman_2009.jpgI see Dennis Rodman endorsed him the other day.

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Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: peterson33 on July 27, 2015, 04:45:27 PM


I agree that Trump is more appealing than Lindsay Graham or Jeb Bush, but if he wants to continue to move forward in his bid for the US Presidency he needs to sharpen his message and for gods sake quit the silly bragging about himself. He comes off as very insecure when he continually tells everyone how smart he is and how successful he is. A little bit of humility and a lot more specifics regarding the issues would go a long way for Mr. Trump in his quest for the prize. Whoever is running his campaign is either powerless to stop this guy from constantly sticking his foot in his mouth or knows this is just a joke candidacy from the start.

I think his braggadocio is part of his charm. He IS successful, he does speak the truth thta the RINOs refuse to speak, and he's a likable guy in a uniquely different way from his competition. If all will recall, the intellect and success as a community organizer of the little known senator from the soviet state of Illinois, had to be bolstered by the media's braggadocio of him. He had nobody else championing his feckless and hidden past, so the democrat lapdogs in the media picked him up and sold him to the people who had no clue how to vet a candidate, and even if they did, they couldn't because he had a court order hiding his past.

Now comes along a man who is not afraid to flaunt his success, is confident in what he believes, doesn't give a rap what his detractors think, and he is being called insecure. He's doing everything the textbooks for success say to do, but those who feel threatened by his forthright and confident attitude don't know what to make of it. In the past they could control the candidates through intimidation and holding back shared campaign dollars. But here is a man who does not need their money, nor does he want their help because, and rightly so, he doesn't trust a damn one of them. They all cower when someone says "race" or "immigration" or "terrorism," fearful of saying something wrong that will cost them a particular part of their constituency or have them attacked by the democrats lapdogs in the lame street media. He just doesn't care, and nobody knows what to make of that.

If his attitude of self confidence and passion for the message caught on in politics, we would have very lively debates and more interesting elections. All the left can offer is a beat up old woman in a bad pantsuit who refuse to talk to the media, with a bag of laundry so full she needs a Sherpa to carry it for her. Then they have the audacity to criticize Trump for being the confident man that he is? It's a joke that long ago lost its luster, and is seen through by more Americans than what the left would ever want to admit.

In short, the republicans have something to fear in this man, and more and more people look at him as someone who can be trusted with the presidency, unlike the field of losers being presented by the RINOs.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
Scroll down or click pdf file to second page http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/26/politics/cnn-orc-poll-data/index.html
Graham is in 13th place 2% currently Cnn poll LOL know wonder hes reaching.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: qikager on July 27, 2015, 04:49:01 PM
Trump says what we all want to say but don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32577Hom08&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 04:50:13 PM
Trump says what we all want to say but don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32577Hom08&feature=youtu.be

Talks like a truck driver i caught that one steve.. and Rosie looks like one too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: bukceline on July 27, 2015, 04:51:44 PM

I agree that Trump is more appealing than Lindsay Graham or Jeb Bush, but if he wants to continue to move forward in his bid for the US Presidency he needs to sharpen his message and for gods sake quit the silly bragging about himself. He comes off as very insecure when he continually tells everyone how smart he is and how successful he is. A little bit of humility and a lot more specifics regarding the issues would go a long way for Mr. Trump in his quest for the prize. Whoever is running his campaign is either powerless to stop this guy from constantly sticking his foot in his mouth or knows this is just a joke candidacy from the start.

I do have to agree w/you about this, Rio. Bragging and patting yourself on your back over your success is not an attractive trait and it turns most people off. Trump is a successful and brilliant business man and the rest of us know it. We don't need to be told over and over.

He seems adamant about securing the border, building the country back up, etc etc and that's what he needs to hammer on about.......


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: monas on July 27, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
And while little Lindsey is trying to sound manly & 'reasonable" with his school yard jab, I'd like to ask him what he's selling. I think it's obvious, but someone needs to ask the question, because what he's selling is establishment BS, and anyone with a pulse knows it, except him...and well....maybe McCain.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Valonib on July 27, 2015, 04:53:31 PM
Is Lindsey going to make another parody video of how Trump handed his ass to him? Slow learner.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 04:54:39 PM
Is Lindsey going to make another parody video of how Trump handed his ass to him? Slow learner.

I know is he that slow? and bush too? boy is trump campaign is going to be a cake walk, more then i thought to the top.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Valonib on July 27, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
I know is he that slow? and bush too? boy is trump campaign is going to be a cake walk, more then i thought to the top.

And to think in order to pull ahead all you had to do is tell it like it is. Its a good sign that the American public wants this. Doomsday for dems. This nuke deal is the final straw.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:03:23 PM
Trump is the classic demagogue. He's appealing to people's emotions, to their fears and bogeymen of their nightmares. America has always had a deep vein of xenophobia and chauvinism, and Trump is cynically tapping into it. For every problem, there is a solution that's obvious, simple, and wrong. Trump trumpets those solutions, and people lap it up. His election would be a perfect example of people getting the government they deserve.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: RodeoX on July 27, 2015, 05:05:12 PM
I heard some republican strategist this morning going on and on about how the Donald should not point out his party's problems. "He needs to be attacking Hillary because he is not a real candidate!".
Well boo-hoo, lol. He is the leader and is on top of the polls weather the republicans like it or not. They are embarrassed by his raciest, dumb-dumb talk; but in fairness he is talking to raciest dumb-dumbs. Those are the republican party voters.  


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: peterson33 on July 27, 2015, 05:07:26 PM
I do have to agree w/you about this, Rio. Bragging and patting yourself on your back over your success is not an attractive trait and it turns most people off.

It's not unattractive to those who have achieved success. Birds of a feather.

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Trump is a successful and brilliant business man and the rest of us know it.

SOME of us know it, but not everyone knows it. This is why politicians repeat themselves ad nauseum while on the campaign trail. You need to repeat yourself with every new crowd you come across to increase your base. An analogy might be when a popular singer shows up to perform a concert. The fans may have already have heard the performer's most popular songs hundreds of times, but when it's performed in person, it's like you've heard it for the first time and you'll remember where you heard it in person. Personalize your message for EVERY new crowd.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 05:08:57 PM
Trump is the classic demagogue. He's appealing to people's emotions, to their fears and bogeymen of their nightmares.

It is a nightmare now with third world is overrunning us at the southern border and trade policy's that are hanging us at home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Adamsux on July 27, 2015, 05:10:42 PM
these candidates from the nwo are in panic mode right now really worried that he will win the nomination.

Is Lindsey Graham still self-identifying as male?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: rio3232 on July 27, 2015, 05:11:51 PM
Is Lindsey going to make another parody video of how Trump handed his ass to him? Slow learner.

Lindsay reminds me of Corporal Dobbs, the horrible bugler from F-Troop..


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:13:13 PM


It is a nightmare now with third world is overrunning us at the southern border and trade policy's that are hanging us at home.

And do you seriously think the long-term solution is to build a fence 2000 miles long, hire tens of thousand of government employees to patrol it shooting to kill on sight? Do you think it might make sense to ask whether improvements in Mexico might change the equation, and look into how such improvements might be made?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: issacsy on July 27, 2015, 05:14:30 PM
The one thing Trump is doing for me, and I think many other conservatives, is flushing out the establishment pieces of fecal matter who I would never vote for after listening to their response to the rule of law. Trump is telling it like it is when it comes to politics as usual, and Americans need to get rid of these business as usual politicians


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:16:51 PM

It's not unattractive to those who have achieved success. Birds of a feather.

SOME of us know it, but not everyone knows it.

And in fact, SOME of us are aware that Trump has filed for bankruptcy FOUR TIMES. Brilliant businessman that he is, which he must be, he keeps telling us so many times.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: RodeoX on July 27, 2015, 05:17:22 PM
these candidates from the nwo are in panic mode right now really worried that he will win the nomination.

Is Lindsey Graham still self-identifying as male?

If this drag queen can call himself a boy then so can Lindsy.

http://media.salon.com/2013/10/ted_cruz7.jpg


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Kenchaa on July 27, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
Pandering to bigots and ignoramuses is what the GOP and right wing media have specialized in for about two decades now. With each cycle, the bar gets lower and lower.

It's funny watching Republicans attack Trump for the same tactics that other GOP politicians have already tried.

Trumps Mexihate is right off the pages of Tom Tancredo, Rick Santorum and Joe Arapio.

GOP politicians really hated Trump's attacks on John McCain, but they were all fine with the "Swift Boat Liars for Bush"

There is no real Trump campaign. You can't go to his website and see positions on issues or any sort of working plan for what he wants to do as President. There is no vision other than Trump's image in the mirror.

Trump panders to the talk radio audience using language that it is very familiar with and they applaud him for telling him exactly what they want to hear.

This Archie Bunker act has been a staple of conservative politics for some time now. Now, Trump has unleashed it on other conservatives.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: issacsy on July 27, 2015, 05:20:17 PM


And do you seriously think the long-term solution is to build a fence 2000 miles long, hire tens of thousand of government employees to patrol it shooting to kill on sight? Do you think it might make sense to ask whether improvements in Mexico might change the equation, and look into how such improvements might be made?

Actually, start shooting them when they cross. I'm pretty sure if we mirrored Mexico's immigration, the United States would have no problem


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:22:51 PM
The one thing Trump is doing for me, and I think many other conservatives, is flushing out the establishment pieces of fecal matter who I would never vote for after listening to their response to the rule of law. Trump is telling it like it is when it comes to politics as usual, and Americans need to get rid of these business as usual politicians

Also convenient, Trump is flushing out those conservatives whose emotional enthusiasm towers over their knowledge or thoughtfulness. We get to see a clear line between the "understand the issue" people and the "nuke the gooks" people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: issacsy on July 27, 2015, 05:24:03 PM
Pandering to bigots and ignoramuses is what the GOP and right wing media have specialized in for about two decades now. With each cycle, the bar gets lower and lower.

It's funny watching Republicans attack Trump for the same tactics that other GOP politicians have already tried.

Trumps Mexihate is right off the pages of Tom Tancredo, Rick Santorum and Joe Arapio.

GOP politicians really hated Trump's attacks on John McCain, but they were all fine with the "Swift Boat Liars for Bush"

There is no real Trump campaign. You can't go to his website and see positions on issues or any sort of working plan for what he wants to do as President. There is no vision other than Trump's image in the mirror.

Trump panders to the talk radio audience using language that it is very familiar with and they applaud him for telling him exactly what they want to hear.

This Archie Bunker act has been a staple of conservative politics for some time now. Now, Trump has unleashed it on other conservatives.

It's the rule of law, something you ultra left liberals don't think applies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: rio3232 on July 27, 2015, 05:28:40 PM

It's not unattractive to those who have achieved success. Birds of a feather.

SOME of us know it, but not everyone knows it. This is why politicians repeat themselves ad nauseum while on the campaign trail. You need to repeat yourself with every new crowd you come across to increase your base. An analogy might be when a popular singer shows up to perform a concert. The fans may have already have heard the performer's most popular songs hundreds of times, but when it's performed in person, it's like you've heard it for the first time and you'll remember where you heard it in person. Personalize your message for EVERY new crowd.

Those who have achieved great success and have a bit of class don't brag about it at every turn. The guy comes off as a typical rich spoiled blowhard brat from Long Island. If he wants to win anything instead of being a spoiler who will hand the election over to Hillary, he needs to sharpen his message and tone down the gas bag bore act. I like what he is saying about restructuring our trade deals, but I'd like to hear more specifics. He just seems to blurt out general statements, many which are patently false with no real data to back them up. He has time to get it together and he definitely has a chance to win vs the lackluster field he's up against. If he's so damn smart, he'll figure this out, if he keeps up the hollow circus act, he'll be out before Super Tuesday. The GOP better hope that he doesn't get offended and feel that the Republican establishment has treated him unfairly and decide to run as a third party candidate. That will make Clinton an easy winner.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: issacsy on July 27, 2015, 05:29:58 PM


Also convenient, Trump is flushing out those conservatives whose emotional enthusiasm towers over their knowledge or thoughtfulness. We get to see a clear line between the "understand the issue" people and the "nuke the gooks" people.

I see you don't obey our laws either. What is it with liberals who don't think the law applies to them?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Harriss on July 27, 2015, 05:31:28 PM
Do you think it might make sense to ask whether improvements in Mexico might change the equation, and look into how such improvements might be made?

Sure, send them YOUR money and not mine.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
Sure, send them YOUR money and not mine.

And whose money do you think would be spent building a 2000 mile fence and manning it with 10,000 government employees?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 05:34:41 PM
And do you seriously think the long-term solution is to build a fence 2000 miles long, hire tens of thousand of government employees to patrol it shooting to kill on sight?

if you build it correctly you wont have to shoot them and have sensors on it you wont have to have a large staff, only a quick response team, video cameras can also be used on the north side with motion detectors aimed at the side of the us sideof that wall, lots of razor wire on the side of the wall will detour many of them using ropes to repel down it

                                                           http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20130607&Category=OPINION05&ArtNo=306070023&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Data-shows-running-prisons-profit-win-win-Guest-commentary


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:36:48 PM


if you build it correctly you wont have to shoot them and have sensors on it you wont have to have a large staff, only a quick response team, video cameras can also be used on the north side with motion detectors aimed at the side of the us sideof that wall, lots of razor wire on the side of the wall will detour many of them using ropes to repel down it

                                                           http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20130607&Category=OPINION05&ArtNo=306070023&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Data-shows-running-prisons-profit-win-win-Guest-commentary

The spittin' image of the Land of the Free, no doubt about it. Send us the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Well it's all right, it's all right
Cause we've done so well so long
Still, when I think of the road we're traveling on
I wonder what's gone wrong
I can't help it, I wonder what's gone wrong


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: KriszDev on July 27, 2015, 05:37:50 PM

The spittin' image of the Land of the Free, no doubt about it. Send us the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Well it's all right, it's all right
Cause we've done so well so long
Still, when I think of the road we're traveling on
I wonder what's gone wrong
I can't help it, I wonder what's gone wrong

I don't care what it looks like as long as the job gets done, if you want it painted pink to make you feel better then so be it


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Harriss on July 27, 2015, 05:39:50 PM
The spittin' image of the Land of the Free, no doubt about it.

The Free can come & go as they please. It's the Illegals who won't. Do you have a problem with adherence to Federal law?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: RodeoX on July 27, 2015, 05:41:56 PM
Sorry, but a fence? That sounds like a third grader came up with the idea. ::)


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Ilirix on July 27, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
And in fact, SOME of us are aware that Trump has filed for bankruptcy FOUR TIMES. Brilliant businessman that he is, which he must be, he keeps telling us so many times.

The DC Union Station was remodeled by a construction company in the times of Marion Barry, around the 70s-80s.. When the work was done and inspectors approved the remodeling, the company received the payment from the DC Treasury.

Right after the last penny was received, this company filled up for bankruptcy and changed its name. The location of the "new" company was the same. The construction equipment of the "new" company was the same. Most of the workers were the same. The same directors, the same offices, the same... the same.

But, the "new" company acquired a new logo, a new name, and this company was in business again.

After no more than a few months, it was found a structural problem in the DC Union Station and many claimed to "sue the construction company" which made the remodeling..

But, you can't sue a company that doesn't exist anymore. Lol.

This is a common trick that many companies do. You have no idea of how smart business people become to be in order to make more money right after a bankruptcy.

And, I think that this is how the name of Donald Trump was to become famous, when a scandal happened and his "former" company was involved. If you read his biography in Wikipedia, you will understand that he became more powerful right after each bankruptcy.

There are bankruptcies that happen when the lost is greater than the profit, and there are bankruptcies that happen in purpose, in order to avoid a court case, in order to create a bigger company, and so forth.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Ilirix on July 27, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
Donald Trump is a kind of Cassius Clay/Mohamed Ali.

This former box champion was "the greatest" and he knew it and he proclaimed it to the four cardinal points with loud voice.

He had lots of followers who went crazy when Cassius Clay predicted that he will win the fight in the fourth round... and he did it. He was so good that he enjoyed the luxury to predict when he will Knock Out his opponent.

Of course, lots of people hated him as well, because his arrogant style of showing how good he was in this sport.

Donald Trump enjoys the privilege of being good in business, of being a great leader, of being charismatic, and of being powerful enough to open his mouth and say whatever he wants to say. In other words, he uses his freedom the best as he can.

You don't see the same with politicians who are practically hypocrites.

To tell the truth, many politicians are against illegal immigration, gay marriage and more, but they want to protect their political positions voting in favor of things that are against their will and the will of The People. They need the money of contributors who are mostly corrupt business people.

In this case, Donald Trump is his own boss, and this is his advantage over the rest of candidates.

While from the other contenders you will listen lies and false promises only, on the other hand from Donald Trump you will listen what he thinks is the best for the country. And as you can see, there is a huge difference between Donald Trump and the rest of candidates.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Loqkani07 on July 27, 2015, 05:46:23 PM
Right now Trump is more appealing to me than Walker or Paul....


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:49:39 PM


The Free can come & go as they please. It's the Illegals who won't. Do you have a problem with adherence to Federal law?

Not with adherence to the law, but I do have a problem with a policy that makes America look mean-spirited, selfish, short-sighted, and rather vicious. At the very least, cracking down on those who illegally employ the illegal immigrants would accomplish the same purpose without the Auschwitz overtones.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: peterson33 on July 27, 2015, 05:52:47 PM

And in fact, SOME of us are aware that Trump has filed for bankruptcy FOUR TIMES. Brilliant businessman that he is, which he must be, he keeps telling us so many times.

In spite of his setbacks, he continues to surge ahead and is in good financial shape today. What do Lincoln Chafee. Hillary Clinton. Martin O'Malley. Bernie Sanders and Jim Webb have to compare?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: peterson33 on July 27, 2015, 05:54:06 PM


Not with adherence to the law, but I do have a problem with a policy that makes America look mean-spirited, selfish, short-sighted, and rather vicious. At the very least, cracking down on those who illegally employ the illegal immigrants would accomplish the same purpose without the Auschwitz overtones.

We have a system in place with a path to citizenship. Rewarding criminal activity (illegal immigration) with citizenship is a slap in the face to every immigrant who came here legally and earned their citizenship according to our laws (all four of my grandparents earned their citizenship). The only people who feel we are mean spirited, selfish, short-sighted or rather vicious, are those who want something for nothing...aka the takers. Unless you come from native American lineage, this is a slap in the face of your ancestors as well..provided they became citizens.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 05:55:26 PM
We have a system in place with a path to citizenship. Rewarding criminal activity (illegal immigration) with citizenship is a slap in the face to every immigrant who came here legally and earned their citizenship according to our laws (all four of my grandparents earned their citizenship). The only people who feel we are mean spirited, selfish, short-sighted or rather vicious, are those who want something for nothing...aka the takers. Unless you come from native American lineage, this is a slap in the face of your ancestors as well..provided they became citizens.

I suggested a different approach to the problem, but you didn't seem to notice it. What, exactly, do you find wrong with cracking down on those who hire illegals?


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: peterson33 on July 27, 2015, 05:56:58 PM
I suggested a different approach to the problem, but you didn't seem to notice it. What, exactly, do you find wrong with cracking down on those who hire illegals?

I noticed, but chose to elaborate on existing law. As for cracking down on hiring illegals, there are laws already in place to deal with this issue. They just need to be applied. We have adequate federal enforcement, but there seems to be no will to seek out the offenders, and even less will to prosecute the offenders and deport the illegals. Instead, Obama prefers to release illegal criminals back into mainstream America to ply their trade.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: tigervod on July 27, 2015, 05:58:21 PM

The economic destruction, property devaluing, educational decline, drugs, disease, rape, child molesting, and death that illegal invaders bring to America is a well documented fact with decades of evidence.

Please feel free to provide a link to some of that evidence.
I've seen significant evidence that illegal immigration has skyrocketed in California in the last 20 years, and the rates of crimes you're talking about hasn't skyrocketed...


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: godlyitems on July 27, 2015, 06:00:38 PM
I noticed, but chose to elaborate on existing law. As for cracking down on hiring illegals, there are laws already in place to deal with this issue. They just need to be applied. We have adequate federal enforcement, but there seems to be no will to seek out the offenders, and even less will to prosecute the offenders and deport the illegals. Instead, Obama prefers to release illegal criminals back into mainstream America to ply their trade.

Obama has deported more illegals than any other President. By far. So the question is, why is there no will to prosecute those who hire illegals? If instead of hiring illegals, they joined in the identification effort, the whole deportation task would be several times easier. Everyone knows this. But everyone also knows that hiring illegals is very profitable. Money talks. You're willing to get rid of them (which is damn near impossible) but you just shrug your shoulders at the ever-present motivation they have for coming here -- people PAY them to come here!

Perhaps rather than deporting the same people over and over and over, there could be a path to citizenship through employment.

Please feel free to provide a link to some of that evidence.
I've seen significant evidence that illegal immigration has skyrocketed in California in the last 20 years, and the rates of crimes you're talking about hasn't skyrocketed...

In fact, statistics tell us that those cities with the highest percentage of illegal immigrants are among the safest cities in the US. I've posted multiple studies showing things like this, but when facts battle memes, facts lose. Badly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: saddampbuh on July 27, 2015, 08:29:24 PM
trump says stuff he really believes unlike the others who rely on polling and focus groups, with the others you will get more of the same


Title: Re: Lindsey Graham: Donald Trump 'Selling Fear and Prejudice'
Post by: Spendulus on July 27, 2015, 09:48:46 PM
I noticed, but chose to elaborate on existing law. As for cracking down on hiring illegals, there are laws already in place to deal with this issue. They just need to be applied. We have adequate federal enforcement, but there seems to be no will to seek out the offenders, and even less will to prosecute the offenders and deport the illegals. Instead, Obama prefers to release illegal criminals back into mainstream America to ply their trade.

Obama has deported more illegals than any other President. By far. So the question is, why is there no will to prosecute those who hire illegals?......

So why would you propose more of what you yourself says there is no will to enforce?  More of the problem, so to speak.

I know many, many people who hire illegals and I know many illegals.  I don't know anyone who has a problem with deporting violent felons who are illegals.