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Monero no doubt has the best technology out of all crypto coins.  To put it frankly, I've been neglecting this myself.  Having looked into the actual tech for the past months, I can now agree with the general consensus of reputable developers who have judged its inner workings.

However! A question that has been arising ever since seeing its numerous advantages - why is it largely ignored? The volume is very low, and there are only very few supporters.  How can this be?

It's like people are buying expensive no-brand cars, if they could have a 90% discounted Lamborghini.  It simply does not make any sense whatsoever not to be hyped about it.  Where's your enthusiasm, folks?

yeah its the best !

the wallet fricking rocks LOL
also dem Munero administration with psychos like Riesto, ego-bitches like smooth and sweet rainbow unicorn boys like fluffy xD

bring it on my nifty boy

~CfA~

What is your point?  A superb wallet is in the working and it simply hasn't been top priority yet.  The developers are focusing on a rock solid core as far as I grasp.

Also why do you say such things about some of the Monero leaders?  

Maybe you're just being envious..

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https://i.imgur.com/U1w2XmK.png 
 
Humans are lazy, visual creatures.  So I posted this for them. 
 
Now, just between us Singularities, what are you talking about?

Reasons: laziness or that the primary anti-monero posters are large holders of other coins or ignorance or a general suspicion of all things not Bitcoin. The first two won't go away any time soon, but the last two can change with facts.

--Monero is the largest most secure form of a digital cash--a digital cash must be decentralized to prevent a central power from destroying its other traits, it must be unlinkable to retain fungibility, it must be untraceable to retain fungibility, and it must be fungible--which simply means 1 xmr always equals 1 xmr (no taint).

--Monero was fairly launched and has a heavy front-end distribution to keep the costs of entering the market inexpensive.

--Monero is opensource and has at last count 29 developers with commits (one happens to be the lead Developer of Bitcoin).

--Monero has an online game that will use it as a gateway to the game's economy.

--A Finnish company is introducing a Monero investment fund.

--Open Alias (a Monero innovation that allows for you to use domains as addresses) will be part of Electrum Core.

--View Keys allow Monero to be private by default, public by choice.

--Monero's TPS is unbounded (currently 1,600 TPS).

Probably forgot a few things, but Monero isn't part of the dog and pony show that is greater fool economics. It is the evolution from physical cash to digital cash. It is needed, it is wanted, it is desired by those who want cash as part of their digital lives.

Monero at 1,600 TPS would probably consume all of the whole world's internet bandwidth.

MONERO SPAM JUST SHUT UP

Actually I've recently found a good historical parallel for Monero: the SdKfz 184 Panzerjager Tiger (P) (Ferdinand / Elephant) heavy tank destroyer.
You know it was an freakin' awesome stuff what was able to wipe out anything on the battlefield from miles away and absorb nearly any sort of enemy fire, so it was a hard hitting beast with great potential. A real Porshe in its class :). But...it had two flaws. First the developers forgot to install a cheap machine gun on it (user interface) so the Russian soldiers just comfortably walked to the Elephant and blown up the whole bloody expensive technological marvel with a 50 cent molotov cocktail. The second was the fact that an Elephant was a sophisticated, slow and heavy machine designed for the wast, wide open Russian plains, what was fine there but this made it pretty much useless everywhere else (real life services).

This is the two main flaws with monero too. User interface and real life services. You know until my 90 YO grandma' and 12 YO little brother can't use the client comfortably (without reading a few pages of howtos) from any sort of hardware, and the real life services are basically limited to Bittrex, Poloniex, and some sort of empty marketplace like thingy, I wouldn't expect too much attention from the public.

Why is Monero ignored?

may be because there are 100 threads created on daily basis about how Monero is going to beat BTC. People who were 5 feet away from Monero now they're 1000 feet away. Good luck with getting investors

Indeed.. I'm not even considering monero as a competent coin anymore... The spam has really turned me off. Too bad, the spamming doesnt have the wanted effect.. And even core people from Monero are hating this..

When you pay shills to advertise something they don't understand, you damage the thing you were trying to promote.

I guess no one needs it. Maybe ISIS, monero team should translate its wallet to arabic.

They aren't shills, they are reverse trolls.

I stated in another topic:

I already told this before, please refrain from starting new Monero threads in the altcoin section. We have our own speculation and ANN thread which are sufficient. I, as a Monero supporters, am getting quite annoyed by all these threads and I certainly know that many others are getting annoyed as well. So please follow this advice. I know you meant good, but this is only hurting XMR, not benefiting it.

Are you sure about that? Their numbers and level of persistence indicates a profit motive.

Pretty sure about it, most are either newbie accounts or known trolls (mrkavasaki, blacky90 and kenji). Also, like I stated before, most long time community members that I know are quite annoyed by it as well. Thus I advice everyone to stick to the ANN or speculation thread and not start new unnecessary threads here. 

Very sure. Or tell my why is it always Newbie Accounts often with a single liner? Also look how the same few Anti-Monero guys jump into every thread it is mentioned.... hclivess, illodin, bagholder"cry(p)to"( lamest thing i ever heard and you keep on saying and saying it like a dumb nut )010, benthach etc...

Because they're being paid by the post?

I don't disagree they are being paid, but not in a way to benefit Monero. In my opinion, they are doing the opposite and are probably paid to do the opposite as well.

Monero is ignored because it has nothing to offer then blabla

Bitcoin is the first mover in this market. It shoud be doable to expand the possibilities of bitcoin with the things other coins can do.
Remember that it is not allways the best (the best in your opinion) that will win.

There are far more sophisticated coins then Monero.

internet should be ignored, it has nothing more to offer than oldschool mailservice and encyclopedia-like features...

and which are those far more sophisticated coins (really interested to hear about them)?

Ahahahahaha. BCX never lets you down  :D

It is not doable to expand the possibilities of Bitcoin so it can do everything Monero can do... afaik.

I see it as shills from other coins (won't name 'em, cuz it doesn't matter) that are doing so to discredit XMR.
But the damage done is not only monero but all the alt crypto scene as a whole.
to outsiders/newcomers, it shows how immature this industry is, seen as a big joke, and slowly look elsewhere by lack of interest.
Trolling is counterproductive and avoided like the plague by the game changers and those that move forward.
this industry jumped to the abyss of a destructive intestinal war... based on an open-source tech. c'mon.

Doge and LTC are more popular, this is very simple  ;) First come, first served  ;)

I for one don't even really care about the "shills", the extreme arrogance and self-conceit of the "higher class Monero folks" alone is already enough to stay away from this imo.  But I rarely come here these days, anyway...

No that doesn't sound right.

I don't know what an "average" transaction's size is, nor what it'll be in the future if/when there's more use, but let's say 10kB just for fun (sample real TX that's probably larger than average: 30 inputs @ mixin 4, 5 outputs; size: 11481 bytes).

10 * 1,600 / 1024 * 8 = 125 Mbps

It's not trivial, that's for sure.

Edit: after discussion with a dev, we decided on a better average tx size: 3kB (10 inputs @ mixin 3, 10 outputs approximately)

This makes the above change to 37.5 Mbps.

In addition all those 1,600 transactions are first received by you, then you broadcast them to all the peers you know, and then receive the block containing the same transactions, and later send those blocks to other peers downloading the blockchain. Total bandwidth usage is probably somewhere around 1 Gbps for every peer.

Each transaction is only going to be received approximately once by each node, therefore sent once by each node. Average node bandwidth is basically equal to twice the transaction rate times transaction size.

Blocks don't necessarily need to send the entire transactions again, just a short hash, but ignoring that optimization the total would be about 4x the rate. It isn't the rate times the number of peers.

EDIT: corrected that received and sent once by each peer is 2x the rate, although peers on "slow" connections won't actually do much sending, because it would be too late for peers to have not seen the tx already, so their realistic rate is closer to 1x, but >2x on fast-connected nodes.

"are first received by you": yes, let's say you need 50 Mbps after my new math.
"then you broadcast them": on average it should be one time, I think.
"then you broadcast them": you shouldn't re-download data you already have (though it may work that way now).
"send those blocks to other peers downloading": this is a rather limited case that doesn't happen that often.

All told you might need 100-200 Mbps of bandwidth (synchronous).

No one is saying 1,600 TPS is practical *right now* (or at least, they shouldn't be saying that). The number was based only on i7 processing speeds.

One could instead say: TPS is limited in CN mostly by processing and bandwidth speeds, NOT the protocol. With BTC limited by the protocol to around 3 TPS, it's still a major distinction, whatever "practical" speeds CN can achieve on today's hardware and bandwidth.

Illodin, from all the below all you could nitpick is bandwidth. You're reaching the bottom of the barrel.

I never mastered 10 finger touch typing so you'll just have to settle for that for now.

Who says it has the best tech? Can you prove that?
Or it's just another "altcoin" and doomed to die.

Maybe because it doesn't have the best tech out there? Did you ever think that possibility?
Why would we trust random altcoins when we already have the great Bitcoin!?

Still holding that bag? Poor guy, I can see you being that old guy on the forums who still thinks LTC & Dogecoin will come back one day many years after they are long forgotten and obsolete.


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What a foolish thing to say. 
 
How could they have stabilized it without interfering?  That's the free market at work, and actual price discovery in action.

There was no ICO. The volatility at the beginning was just the number of coins in circulation being extremely small (since mining started with zero) and speculators having no idea what the coin would actually be worth.

Why would that even make any sense at all, other than it being what losers like you want?

"Discussion of cryptocurrencies other than Bitcoin"

If you don't want to discuss it, don't. Constantly discussing why you don't want to discuss it is pathetic.

I believe Monero is lacking in features. I'm not planning on sticking with them.

I do have to agree that seeing so many XMR threads does put me off a bit. I think the 24/7 PR push for this coin is way too early... it only really trades on 1 exchange and still has no gui wallet. Overall many of the supporters are hurting the coins image more than helping it in my opinion. I think it is a cool coin and does have the attention of some real players though.

I do actually hold some XMR myself.

Only a minority of the threads are anything like a PR effort (which I'm not saying I support -- I'm generally not in favor of the sort of over the top stuff that some people push, but that's just a question of my style vs theirs).

Most of the threads are from shills from competing coins, trolls, or bored copycats.

It's really unfortunate this forum doesn't have a thread-ignore feature, that would put a stop to all of it pretty fast.

I don't see the presence of  Chinese Monero communities or the effort to build one.

Oh boy where oh where have I seen this attitude before? Oh yeah hashtalk.

Seriously when are you going stop blaming the trolls/shills/boogeymen for everything.

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Sure some people overpaid (I could go into details about the absurdity of the Mintpal paid voting rip off and accompanying pump that I called out as such at the time, but that's ancient history), but it's still worth keeping in mind the number of coins in existence at that point was quite low. Most of the existing supply was mined and traded at much lower prices, in a range fairly close to the current value, much of it lower.

So far most focus on development.

Marketing China just recently plan. Will notice more soon. Contacting exchanges and build websites

People who are against XMR are people who are bagholders of Dash..... which is a failed currency.

People need to realize that Monero (XMR) is the only fully anonymous coin on the market. Period.

We need to stop having coin-wars and accept that the future of currency is BTC for daily use, NXT platform for assets, finance & contracts, and XMR for anonymous transactions.


Monero is here to stay.....

Very nice dukey8. 
 
This is the sort of high quality FUD I think that Monero deserves.

I was very optimistic about Monero, really really optimistic and enthusiastic
But I'm with you now... I'm out. They didn't deliver in my opinion

Does mining it actually show a profit on a weekly basis?

If no profit then there is your reason.  ;)
As most are tired of losing money on speculation.

If there is a profit show some Numbers to help your argument.


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[FACT] Anon coins will never work ! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=853767.0)

AND ..they are a bad idea too !

@OP
Monero does not have the "Best tech" it is step backwards from Bitcoin tech wise.
And it has had a bad history from being born of a cloning platform fork
with a name used by and other existing coin (Bytecoin) and a community take over coin
Kept alive this long by a manipulative millionaire.

It has NOT taken off in the public because it is a train wreck of a shit gimmick coin
with supporters / dev team etc who are in permanent denial forever.
If anything ever does happen bad with Monero they simply deny it and push on.
This is retarded lunacy.

They are also greedy bag holders who simply hang around here spamming on about it 24/7
all in the the hopes new people show up and buy their Monero coins with real money.

The context..
If new users show up here they will see hundreds or even thousands of "me too" coins.
There was already thousands made when these guys decided i want to make a Monero anon coin.
So the public will see the deadly obvious.. the context of the scene / situation.
(that the supporters have been in denial about for close to 2 years now)

I would not hold your breath waiting for the shitty ass scam coin Monero to take over the world.
It just ain't happening.

If it was not for Risto / reptiela this coin would have been dead long ago..
It took off because a millionaire decided this was the coin of the future and invested MASSIVE amounts of money into it.
Which creates a greedy feeding frenzy and a line up of devs "looking for work"  ::)

Interesting insight on tor, you are absolutely right , truth is it was designed to let certain agencies in from the very beginning.
Nothing on the internet is truly anonymous.



https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140401/17422126773/yes-federal-agents-can-identify-anonymous-tor-users-because-most-people-dont-know-how-to-be-anonymous.shtml

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Yeah but anonymity isn't everything.   For some people it's the only reason to use crypto but that's not everyone.   I think monero didn't take because there are just waaay too many options,  and bitcoin for most people is good enough.

Monero is a religion coin with it's own believers and nobody from the real world doesn't care

It has come to my attention that Coinmarketcap is going to properly tag it as a fundamentalist religion coin shortly

~CfA~

Cargo cult with a bamboo GUI really ;D

I noticed your RIP sign and your dot posts, are you trying to contact us from the other side ?
just make it move if you are ...

https://i.imgur.com/UXm4sXV.png

Lol! she edited all of the posts.  All are now just a dot!

~CfA~

Maybe because:
-One of PseudoMain dev have lack of Ethics and happily making conflict of interest, commenting other coins on a daily basis ;)
-Only One and unique feature : Anonymity. (George Clooney should ask : "what else?" - A:"Nothing")
-Too many coins generated every day.
-Who told you they have the best tech out there??
-Trolleros everywhere trying to bash Dash. (and all other coin that can make shadow to their coin)
-Cripple miner at launch
-Botnet paradise
-Two fucking YEARS and no GUI!!!
Stupid community, because THEY think THEY have the TRUST