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Do you REALLY think he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart? Read on, friends.

Facts of this case
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1. He buys trust. Plain and simple. Giveaways involve NO trust. Nothing is at risk. This is a FACT: it cannot be argued. 'Trust buyers' are guaranteed scammers.

2. He won't use escrow. Want to know why? His gift cards are purchased with stolen credit cards. Escrow would expose his scam instantly. Think about it, don't be a fool. Would any TRUSTED member here refuse escrow? Of COURSE not.

3. A detailed analysis of his giveaways shows a STRONG bias towards people in default trust. Newbies can't make you green, can they Bob?

4. Faking a mental illness to get sympathy.

5. ZERO participation in forum discussions. As with every scammer, they are here to con & not to chat.

6. He's got you trained. He uses greed against you. So many people throw BTC at him to get that sweet deal! $20 gift cards today, $2000 gift cards tomorrow. And then he vanishes after hundreds of people buy their discounted $2000 card, and receive nothing!



Can a single fact be argued? No. Where do we go from here? It's obvious, make him red trust. Then see what he does. He will leave forever with his tail between his legs because that's the scammer he is!

Boycott his giveaways. Even free BTC. His coin is stolen, guaranteed. This is the next MASTER scammer in the making. I am warning you early so give me thanks.





 

And we already had similiar discussion about him here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=719620.0

Actually, I think saying you're going to do a giveaway and then actually carrying through with it _does_ merit positive trust, so I think I'm gonna go give him some right now. Thanks for reminding me!

And help him rob people? YOU deserve the negative trust. I'll send some your way.

1. I don't think BPB actually asks for positive trust. He has given me gift cards a few times and never asked me for any kind of rating or a vouch.

2. I can think of a few people who won't accept escrow who are pretty well trusted, and I wouldn't consider them to be scammers. I don't think escrow really matters anyway because a) he asks for people to donate money to charity for payment for his gift cards, and b) gift cards purchased with stolen credit cards can take months to be discovered that they were purchased with a stolen credit card.

3. People on default trust tend to be more active in market place sections and they tend to not be shill accounts. To see why people might not want to give things away to people not on default trust see this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918982.0) thread, you will see that some people tend to claim giveaways multiple times via shill accounts, and that is simply not possible with default trust accounts because there are so fewer of them.

4. I don't know how to respond to this. I think it is speculation though.

5. I have had conversations with him via PM a couple of times, and I am sure that others have done the same.

6. He usually gives pretty steep discounts, and I would somewhat doubt that he would be able to sell so many gift cards at that discount in order to make up for all the money he has given away. Also as mentioned above he usually asks that people donate to charity in exchange for his gift cards.

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Sure, proceed with caution when dealing with anyone on here, however I don't think you are making good points against BPB

How does him giving me .02 BTC make me help him rob people?

You might want to check your vagina for sand.

Conspiracy theorist much?

Pretty sure an admin or mod looked into the gift card buys and they mostly come from gyft. It's all legitimate. And he has never asked for trust to be left.

Bring solid proof about things like this before going on a witch hunt.

1. 99% scam, 1% legit.
2. Show legit portion to staff member
3. Staff member sings his praises

PLEASE use your brains, people.

Yes because you didn't leave him green trust the first time  ::) You seem easy to buy off.


More proof he bought you off and blurred your reasoning. If he was using stolen CCs then it would be hard for him to show staff how everything is cash (btc?) paid for. Precisely why he refuses escrow.

So if I did giveaways only to people who could make my trust green, you wouldn't think any thing of it?


Just building up more good feelings. It will help with the big scam to come!

Let me guess. He gave something to you?

let me guess. you asked something from him and got refused?
and before you ask me the same question, no, BPB never gave me anything and I never asked.

I have spoken with Bob probably more than anyone else here (via IRC), and would be amazed if he ever scammed. Bob is eccentric and very privacy orientated, but not a scammer. I know some people are thinking that he is setting up the long con, but when has he ever asked for any large amounts? The reason he trades with higher up members is all the abuse in his giveaways - multiple newbie accounts owned by same people claiming stuff. I think we are lucky to have Bob around among all the scammers and shit posters here.

**Disclaimer - I am not saying send first to Bob or anyone - always use your head when trading**

I was part of the discount gift cards months ago. No chargebacks and he never asked for anything in return.

You're all whine. No proof.  ::)

Big surprise! He befriended someone with massive green trust!  ::)

I love how all of you are proving my point.

Oh yes. That matter of proof. Here is where Bob himself admits to setting up a long con:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750507.msg9633255#msg9633255

I'll accept apologies now.

Removing the bullshit and useless post, you did.. So, where is your proof of him as the Master Scammer?  Oh... Wait there is no proof..

Imbecile. I just showed where he admitted to it.

Oh no, im such a dumb ass you have given the hardest solid proof to claiming that he is indeed a Scammer.. As for my apologies for divulging in this troll thread.. I would ignore it

1. You can't read
2. He obviously gave you something

Everyone against BiPolarBob in the beginning
Hey that guy is giving away free shit!
What a nice guy

Everyone against BiPolarBob now
Hey that guy is giving away free shit
What a fucking scammer,jesus christ what a trust buying faggot

I actually only gave him a positive rating the 1st time. However, I do think you do bring up a good point regarding the trust system. When two people trade with each other, there is generally exactly one person who is taking on risk to the trade, and the question is should a party give positive trust even if someone does not take any risk in a transaction? I tend to be pretty conservative when handing out positive trust, however some people argue that trades should be documented so it can be known that a trade occurred without incident.
When escrow is used, it is pretty rare that a term of the escrow agreement is that proof of payment via cash is used, especially when it comes to gift cards. Besides, I believe that he actually allowed grue access to his gyft account that showed many purchases of gift cards all with bitcoin. Also BPB has been largely inactive for ~6 months (up until recently), and if he was using stolen gift cards in the past, then people would have started to complain by now. I also fail to see how you conclude that I am being paid off.
That is not what he does. You are twisting my words.
Well lets run the numbers and see if him scamming by selling $2,000 gift cards for $200 (90% off, which is generally a smaller discount then what he typically gives).

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1133424.0;all) thread, he advertised that he was giving away $5 worth of bitcoin to the first 100 posters (I did not count the number of people who posted, but I would assume it would be 100). He spent at least $500 on this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893716.0;all) thread, he gave away at least 34 gift cards worth $20 each, he spent at least  $680 on this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893505.0) thread, he gave away a single $25 gift card.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300631.msg9830267#msg9830267) post, he gave away 1BTC to Dabs feed the children program, the value of the BTC at the time was ~$350.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.0;all) thread, it he was giving away .02 to everyone that posted, and I counted 132 people that posted, based on the BTC value at the time, he spent at least $950 on this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868500.0;all) thread, he was giving away $10 starbucks gift cards, and I counted 16 people that posted prior to him announcing that he was sold out. He spent at least $160 in this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=863246.0;all) thread, he gave away .02 to members+ that posted their BTC address, I counted 72 people who are members or greater as of now. Based on the price of BTC at the time, he spent at least $550 on this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833591.0;all) thread, he was giving away .02 to everyone that posted their BTC address, I counted 62 people that posted. Based on the price of BTC at the time, he spent at least $475 on this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831770.msg9296205#msg9296205) thread, he gave away a single $100 amazon gift card to someone.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806080.0;all) thread, Blazedout419 gave away a ASUS mobo + Core i7 + Corsair RAM + Zalman CPU cooler that he was asking $200 for on behalf of BPB, I would assume that blazedout received payment for this. BPB also gave away 9 $20 amazon gift cards in this thread. He gave away a total of $380 in this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=805381.0;all) thread, he gave away 14 $50 amazon gift cards. He gave away at least $700 in this giveaway.

In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=798425.0;all) thread, he gave away (by my count), 74 $20 steam gift cards. He gave away at least $1,480 in this giveaway.

I decided to stop tallying up the amounts he gave away after going back 7 pages of his post history. By my calculations, he has given away at least $6,350 worth of bitcoin and gift cards, and this does not count gift cards given away this year and only goes back 7 pages in his posting history. This means that he would need to sell at least 32 $2,000 gift cards for 200 each and take payment to an address that he controls (something he does not usually do). You also need to take into consideration that a good number of the people that claim his giveaways would probably not be buying a bunch of $2,000 gift cards.

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One downside to BPB giving away so much money is that shortly after he left, I did notice that a lot of money launderers started showing up trying to sell StarBucks gift cards that were obviously originally purchased with stolen credit cards. I don't think that BPB is behind these accounts though as I don't think the amount of gift cards they have sold would come close to the amount of money that BPB has given away (although I may be wrong).

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My impression of BPB is that he is a really nice guy. He told me that he has done this kind of thing on various other forums. As I mentioned previously, you need to exercise caution when trading with anyone, however my thought process would be that if I were to donate a small amount of money to a charity in exchange for one of BPB's giveaways, then the worse case scenario is that I have given away a little bit of money to a charity and received nothing (of financial value) in return, and I don't think that would be all that bad.

As per quickerseller's evidence I think he would have to scam a lot for this long con to be worth it. I think suspicion on him is warranted but I'm not sure if he is going to scam now. If he did a massive giveaway I think a lot of people would be weary and not do it.


Even if a few people gave him negative his 'fans' would ignore it and send him money any way so I doubt it'd make a difference. Might stop some newbies sending to him though I suppose.

1. When I was a member/full member(?), he gave me 0.25BTC, worth about more than $60. I certainly didn't know my trust would be worth that much. He never had asked any positive feedback from me either.
2. I have bought some of his gift cards and none of them has ever turned invalid or scam. I personally feel that it's fine to not use escrow when it is $2 and he have a proven good record. And what can he give out scam gift cards when he gives people when they donates to sean outpost? If they turn invalid, he would definitely get red trust.
3. Nope, normal full member has been able to claim those giveaways as well. Not only those from default trust.
4. Proof?
5. I don't see any problem in doing such thing. He doesn't contribute actively and it isn't much of a problem considering the amount of (sig) spammers.
6. I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to pay $20+ for a gift card if it is too good to be true. BiPolarBob has given I believe more than thousands of dollars in BTC. No reason for him to ruin the account.

No one has been arrested for getting those 'stolen' BTC. And what would he gain by giving out BTC to normal members.

He does not ask users to leave trust feedback.


Can you please show me some instances where he declined using escrow?


How can escrow identify his gift cards are purchased with stolen credit cards? Besides, most of the times, he sends first and hence, there is no need for escrow unless if he wants.


Although I agree that he has traded many times with people in default trust, he has also gave a lot of gifts to other people.


How do you know?


You are wrong! There were (many) scammers who were active.


He has donated money to charities and has also repaid a few loans. How can he profit anything from this? :-\


Fact? These are conspiracy theories or speculation.


How do you know they are stolen? Please don't tell me your sixth sense told you so.

Don't forgot that grue and ssateneth checked one of his accounts that he used to buy giftcards.


EDIT: Also, he almost never asks upfront payments. If he does, you could refuse to do business with him if you don't trust it.

Hello friends

I have done more investigating on this scammer and discovered nobody has verified the source of his gift cards (except once by a forum mod). But that was a long time ago and only for Amazon cards.

So I believe has been carded after that point. Who knows. Maybe he even reached ROI on his scam by now?

Need more evidence?

Well I sent him a PM and said that my alt was in default trust. Guess what? He asked me if I needed any Amazon or Steam.

Guaranteed trust buyer and scammer I'd say! Why else would be be so 'kind' only AFTER I said default trust?

But there is more to this story........

I'm thinking he is (or is a alt of) QuickSeller. I'm still figuring out the chicken & egg thing but more proof will follow. My current estimate is 85% of his giveaway receipients are accounts owned by QuickSeller.

This scam investigator is putting in overtime!!


Post Script: He just 'purchased' trust from SebastianJu. Check if yourself if you don't believe it.

He has been verified twice by 2 members, (See Mitchell's post) and those Amazon cards were bought from Gyft, which is a trusted site that sells gift cards, and all his purchases on gyft were made using bitcoin, which is irreversible.

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Maybe because he doesn't care if he gets negative trust? And just wants to offer you an Amazon/Steam gift card because he is a kind person.


With all the drama surrounding QuickSeller, Badbear has recently stated that QuickSeller doesn't have any notable alts that BadBear knows of. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12358580#msg12358580)

You seem very slow so let me explain it again. YES those were verified as valid. I never denied it. But that was a long time ago. Everything after that is likely carded & stolen. He knew he didn't have to prove himself again.




His kindness is only to people who can give him green trust. I'd say he cares about it plenty!


THAT HE KNOWS OF.

No. I've had (and still have) a lot of contact with BPB and I'm 100% sure that he is not an alt of QS. He writes nowhere close like QS does, nor does anything else matches.

That's easy to say. Anything to back that up?

That must be why he was giving away free BTC yesterday.

QS's alts have had different writing styles. You are stupid or naive.

Or. Based on the 100 times you gave BiPolarBob trust more likely you are a paid cronie.

Panthers52 did write a bit different than QS, but it's easy to spot now. BPB does not write like either of them. And I'll be whatever you want me to be baby.

does anyone find it strange that a forum STAFF member has claimed more of BPB/QS freebies than anyone else?

The plot thickens

Grasping straws, aren't we? Why not target haploid23 or cooldgamer? He gave BPB a lot more trust than I did and they even has more trust than me! :o
I'm just a boring old patroller and Dutch board moderator.

grasping at straws indeed! I have investigated those people and it is the same as you. lots of gifts for lots of trust!

Keep singing his praises. It is part of being on his payroll.

Mitchell received a lot of those freebies before he even became staff. He actually recommended BiPolarBob to me, as I had not noticed him at that time. Before you continue your nonsense provide real evidence, or this thread is just pointless.

To make this even more clear, I've been mod since around 07 January 2015 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916903.0). The first time I rated BPB was 26 September 2014 and I've been talking with him since the beginning and friends with him for a long time now.

Yes or no   have you gotten a gift from BiPolarBob?

And I will repeat this because you seem to be an idiot. I am dealing in FACTs. Now tell me which of these are NOT facts?

FACT #1: A forum staff member has received many gifts and given many trust to BiPolarBob
FACT #2: The other people who have gotten many gifts are also people in high trust
FACT #3: The people in here who defend him are all biased because they received something from him

No, I have not. I still do not see your 'real evidence'.
1) Nothing special about this.
2) Not always, this makes me think that you're mad for not getting something.
3) Wrong. I have never received anything (aside from buying a code once) from him and yet I'm defending him. Just because people received something from someone that does not mean that they will agree with that person on all of his actions.

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Update:
I have never commented anything about the relations about to QS. I was never intentionally trying to divert the thread. You are just spreading nonsense.

as for the real evidence demand. It worries me that LaudaM staff doesn't understand what this section is for.

Things that are concerning or suspicious are fine to post. It doesn't have to be hard evidence right away. It is for the community to investigate.

Also here is another FACT

These 2 staff members derailed my findings of QS and BPB as alts and moved this dicussion into a different direction. Might not be hard evidence but this is clearly suspicious how they pop up out nowhere and do this.  ;)

If anyone wants to use escrow when dealing with BPB, I will be willing to provide my escrow services, provided that you pay the fee :)

Offering to escrow for an alt of his (again). This is PRICELESS

I learned in investigations. Make the accusation and let the guilty speak up. QuickSeller LaudaM and Mitchell are proof this works

So you obviously lied about "finish up outstanding business and leaving for a while".

I gave you the week I promised you.  Now it's up to you to have me removed from DT, as you said would happen.

I am still waiting on the repayment of the loan. It is due on the 15th, and the borrower had agreed to repay me early several days ago, unfortunately he has not followed through on this promise. If you wish to buy the debt from me, then I would be willing to sell it to you - blazedout as escrow for the collateral (who I am fairly certain the borrower would agree to).

However, more importantly, there is a scam accusation against BPB, and I was offering to offer my services to protect all involved parties to any potential trades with him. Are you implying that escrow should now be used when dealing with someone with an open scam accusation against them? .....It seems you have gone from a scam buster to a scam encourager.

I am implying that you said you would be leaving and wouldn't be offering escrow anymore.  Here you are - actively trying to get more business.   ::)

There are many honest escrows that would be happy to do the job.  Escrow should always be used - but that escrow should not be you.

Why are you logging onto your alts as well then?

Where did I ever say that I was not going to offer escrow anymore? If you were paying attention to what I was posting, then I don't think you would come to that conclusion, in fact you would probably come to the contrary conclusion ;)

I don't think you get to decide who uses what service, and who gets to take which risks. The last time I checked, you are not a member of the SEC for bitcoin

It is probably safe to send first to BPB though.....he seems pretty trustworthy to me

lamo, an idiot taking an obvious troll post trolling an obvious troll seriously.

Why use sock puppets when there is this guy :D

The OP is just butthurt that BiPolarBob didn't give him any giveaways, and wants to make him look bad

If you really want to prove that BiPolarBob is an alt of Quickseller, why don't you do the same experiment tspacepilot did to prove that Quickseller was using alts, (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0) or ask him to do the experiment for you? 

TSP proved nothing with his experiment. What he did was flawed in more ways that can easily be listed.

If someone want to prove that an account is an alt he should not only check his writing system but also the trust profile, the connection on btc blockchain, the activity here in the forum, etc.... but if you know what you are doing it will be pretty difficult to find an alternative account.


@Quickseller, However in this case you 'were discovered' and please remove your personal text  Safe and professional escrow goo.gl/ZI2m0Q http://www.mmoeye.it/forum/images/smilies/asdpat.gif.