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Title: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: Trifixion713 on August 03, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
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Investigators say Wakefield killed Trina Heisch, 49, and their two dogs and stashed the bodies in a closet. He then gouged out one of his own eyes and cut off his left hand at the forearm.

The grisly scene was discovered July 25 by a neighbor who went to check on Heisch and said Wakefield came to the door naked, covered in blood.

Wakefield spent 10 years in a state mental hospital after stabbing a relative in 2003. He was found "guilty, except insane" on charges of attempted second-degree murder in the attack, a verdict that spared him prison time.

In November 2014, a state psychiatric board issued an order for county prosecutors to try to extend his stay. The board's chairwoman has said the panel did everything it could in the case to ensure community safety.

The Maricopa County attorney's office acknowledged earlier this week that it was unsuccessful.

"Evidentiary issues precluded us from proceeding with the civil commitment process," said spokesman Jerry Cobb, declining to elaborate because the case is under seal.

Wakefield was approved for release 10 months ago by the psychiatric review board based on a belief that his mental health disease was in remission and that he wasn't dangerous if he lived in a residential treatment program.

Heisch also had a history of mental illness. A judge found her to be "guilty, except insane" on charges of attempted second-degree murder in the stabbing of her 15-year-old son while he was sleeping in January 2000. She was ordered to spend 10 years in the state hospital and was eventually released.

It was not clear what specific mental illness either has suffered from.




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Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: Wilikon on August 03, 2015, 05:43:49 PM



The psychiatric review board blinded him with science, in one eye...




Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 03, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TPTB_need_war on August 03, 2015, 07:55:48 PM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns so we can defend ourselves against nutcases who can always find a way to get a gun.

Guns are banned in South America (very difficult licensing process), yet the criminals always have the guns. This has turned SA into a freak show where the citizens are powerless.

You fucking idiots! When you will ever learn to use your brain stem (if you even have one)  ???


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: Wilikon on August 03, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns so we can defend ourselves against nutcases who can always find a way to get a gun.

Guns are banned in South America (very difficult licensing process), yet the criminals always have the guns. This has turned SA into a freak show where the citizens are powerless.

You fucking idiots! When you will ever learn to use your brain stem (if you even have one)  ???


It is called sarcasm...




Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on August 03, 2015, 08:14:07 PM
wow. that's really disturbing. insane or not, didn't he feel any pain?

THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns so we can defend ourselves against nutcases who can always find a way to get a gun.

Guns are banned in South America (very difficult licensing process), yet the criminals always have the guns. This has turned SA into a freak show where the citizens are powerless.

You fucking idiots! When you will ever learn to use your brain stem (if you even have one)  ???

did you gouges out your eyeball too? it's obvious that it's a sarcasm because the guy on OP decapitates his wife using something sharp. that's certainly not a gun.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TPTB_need_war on August 03, 2015, 08:17:31 PM
did you gouges out your eyeball too? it's obvious that it's a sarcasm because the guy on OP decapitates his wife using something sharp. that's certainly not a gun.

And people who waste precious time can expect me to respond to nonsense with ridicule.

Can't you fuckers actually do anything productive to help us deal with the political morass! All you do is shit in your armchair and write nonsense.

Who gives a fuck about some community news! This is a global website with a serious focus.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 03, 2015, 08:37:30 PM
did you gouges out your eyeball too? it's obvious that it's a sarcasm because the guy on OP decapitates his wife using something sharp. that's certainly not a gun.

And people who waste precious time can expect me to respond to nonsense with ridicule.

Can't you fuckers actually do anything productive to help us deal with the political morass! All you do is shit in your armchair and write nonsense.

Who gives a fuck about some community news! This is a global website with a serious focus.

You are new, so I am going to cut you some slack. If you bothered to read any of the arguments about gun control on this forum you would find I am quite vociferously against it. If anyone is wasting time it is you arguing over what was clearly a joke that went over your head in order to distract from your embarrassment for not recognizing it as such.

The very point of the sarcasm was to point out crazy people don't need guns to maim and murder people, and I highly doubt a man that would gouge his own eye out and chop off his own arm would care much about gun laws anyway.

This case is a perfect example that the real cause of the gun violence in the US is a result of lack of mental health care, not guns.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: erre on August 03, 2015, 08:52:31 PM
The vast majority of murders are not committed by people with mental disorders, and even when you adjust the number considering the prevalence of mental disorders, you find that suffering from schizofrenia dosen't increase the chance of committing a violent act against others.
Given that, I don't think that this episode raises many arguments pro or con weapons control. Even in USA, I don't think that after a murder and 10 years of psychiatric asylum they are going to give you a gun...


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 03, 2015, 09:02:21 PM
The vast majority of murders are not committed by people with mental disorders, and even when you adjust the number considering the prevalence of mental disorders, you find that suffering from schizofrenia dosen't increase the chance of committing a violent act against others.
Given that, I don't think that this episode raises many arguments pro or con weapons control. Even in USA, I don't think that after a murder and 10 years of psychiatric asylum they are going to give you a gun...

No the vast majority of murders using guns are gang related, but the vast majority of mass shooters do have mental disorders and are 9 times out of 10 on psychiatric medications, and these horror stories are what push utopian progressives to start crying about gun control as if it is the source of the problem and not just a symptom. The fact is this man did not get the mental healthcare he needed, and he killed some one as a result. My argument was the source of the problem is lack of healthcare in the us, not the availability of guns. Furthermore this incident shows that people do not need firearms to be crazy and murder people.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TPTB_need_war on August 03, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
did you gouges out your eyeball too? it's obvious that it's a sarcasm because the guy on OP decapitates his wife using something sharp. that's certainly not a gun.

And people who waste precious time can expect me to respond to nonsense with ridicule.

Can't you fuckers actually do anything productive to help us deal with the political morass! All you do is shit in your armchair and write nonsense.

Who gives a fuck about some community news! This is a global website with a serious focus.

You are new, so I am going to cut you some slack. If you bothered to read any of the arguments about gun control on this forum you would find I am quite vociferously against it. If anyone is wasting time it is you arguing over what was clearly a joke that went over your head in order to distract from your embarrassment for not recognizing it as such.

The very point of the sarcasm was to point out crazy people don't need guns to maim and murder people, and I highly doubt a man that would gouge his own eye out and chop off his own arm would care much about gun laws anyway.

This case is a perfect example that the real cause of the gun violence in the US is a result of lack of mental health care, not guns.

I am not new. I am AnonyMint. And my point to you is that you are shitting in your armchair. How about actually doing something?

The politics will not change. Any other doable ideas?

Moar healthcare is exactly what we don't need.

Rather we need to be armed so we can shoot these deranged people and cull the population of the problem. Much more efficient.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 03, 2015, 09:14:55 PM
did you gouges out your eyeball too? it's obvious that it's a sarcasm because the guy on OP decapitates his wife using something sharp. that's certainly not a gun.

And people who waste precious time can expect me to respond to nonsense with ridicule.

Can't you fuckers actually do anything productive to help us deal with the political morass! All you do is shit in your armchair and write nonsense.

Who gives a fuck about some community news! This is a global website with a serious focus.

You are new, so I am going to cut you some slack. If you bothered to read any of the arguments about gun control on this forum you would find I am quite vociferously against it. If anyone is wasting time it is you arguing over what was clearly a joke that went over your head in order to distract from your embarrassment for not recognizing it as such.

The very point of the sarcasm was to point out crazy people don't need guns to maim and murder people, and I highly doubt a man that would gouge his own eye out and chop off his own arm would care much about gun laws anyway.

This case is a perfect example that the real cause of the gun violence in the US is a result of lack of mental health care, not guns.

I am not new. I am AnonyMint. And my point to you is that you are shitting in your armchair. How about actually doing something?

The politics will not change. Any other doable ideas?

Moar healthcare is exactly what we don't need.

Rather we need to be armed so we can shoot these deranged people and cull the population of the problem. Much more efficient.

Well then if you are not new you have a reading comprehension problem. BTW, wtf are you doing other than criticizing me because you made yourself look like a dope?


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: roadbits on August 04, 2015, 01:19:41 AM
that's tragic! how can someone do that ! that would be a really horrible way to die as well I would rather be shot or stabbed to death than have my head cut off.. so sad, RIP to this woman.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: blablahblah on August 04, 2015, 08:50:50 AM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns so we can defend ourselves against nutcases who can always find a way to get a gun.

Guns are banned in South America (very difficult licensing process), yet the criminals always have the guns. This has turned SA into a freak show where the citizens are powerless.

You fucking idiots! When you will ever learn to use your brain stem (if you even have one)  ???

  • Gun suicides significantly outnumber all other gun-related deaths.
  • Over-availability of easy means to top oneself has (repeatedly) been shown to be a significant factor in the overall death rate.
  • Decreased availability causes decreased mortality.
  • Suicide-prevention fences on one bridge do not cause people to travel to another bridge, they simply cool off and get on with life. The exact same argument applies with guns.
  • Historical reasons for guns as laid out in the US' constitution, such as defending yourself against government tyranny, lost Conquistadores, or POHMs setting out to bring the US back under British rule, are laughable today.
  • The consumer fire-arms industry (which is what you're really talking about, and has nothing to do with weapons that could realistically hold off the government), is selling a fantasy so that "big boys" can also have their Barbie Doll accessories.

Besides, South America has been a freak-show for decades with proxy wars and Communist fanatics, which Russia pretends to know nothing about. Let me know if they have Kalashnikovs or some US brand.

Educate yourself:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: blablahblah on August 04, 2015, 09:25:30 AM
The vast majority of murders are not committed by people with mental disorders, and even when you adjust the number considering the prevalence of mental disorders, you find that suffering from schizofrenia dosen't increase the chance of committing a violent act against others.
Given that, I don't think that this episode raises many arguments pro or con weapons control. Even in USA, I don't think that after a murder and 10 years of psychiatric asylum they are going to give you a gun...

No the vast majority of murders using guns are gang related, but the vast majority of mass shooters do have mental disorders and are 9 times out of 10 on psychiatric medications, and these horror stories are what push utopian progressives to start crying about gun control as if it is the source of the problem and not just a symptom. The fact is this man did not get the mental healthcare he needed, and he killed some one as a result. My argument was the source of the problem is lack of healthcare in the us, not the availability of guns. Furthermore this incident shows that people do not need firearms to be crazy and murder people.

Maybe if psychotropic drugs were readily available without a prescription or oversight, would that help?
Surely, the availability of proper medication should be maximised? ;)


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: erre on August 04, 2015, 11:56:04 AM
The vast majority of murders are not committed by people with mental disorders, and even when you adjust the number considering the prevalence of mental disorders, you find that suffering from schizofrenia dosen't increase the chance of committing a violent act against others.
Given that, I don't think that this episode raises many arguments pro or con weapons control. Even in USA, I don't think that after a murder and 10 years of psychiatric asylum they are going to give you a gun...

No the vast majority of murders using guns are gang related, but the vast majority of mass shooters do have mental disorders and are 9 times out of 10 on psychiatric medications, and these horror stories are what push utopian progressives to start crying about gun control as if it is the source of the problem and not just a symptom. The fact is this man did not get the mental healthcare he needed, and he killed some one as a result. My argument was the source of the problem is lack of healthcare in the us, not the availability of guns. Furthermore this incident shows that people do not need firearms to be crazy and murder people.

Maybe if psychotropic drugs were readily available without a prescription or oversight, would that help?
Surely, the availability of proper medication should be maximised? ;)


I highly doubt that any medication would had helped in this case. I also don't think that USA lack in therapy prescription, as far as I know therapies are largely used even for thrivial mood conditions, usually at high doses. But they lack in a free psychiatric service on the territory, the most fundamental thing when it comes to create a good alliance with the patient and to promove an appropriate insight about the illness.
Seems like he was left for 10y in a psychiatric asylum with no project, and after that abandoned again on his own... seems inhumane to me.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 04, 2015, 01:46:36 PM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns so we can defend ourselves against nutcases who can always find a way to get a gun.

Guns are banned in South America (very difficult licensing process), yet the criminals always have the guns. This has turned SA into a freak show where the citizens are powerless.

You fucking idiots! When you will ever learn to use your brain stem (if you even have one)  ???

  • Gun suicides significantly outnumber all other gun-related deaths.
  • Over-availability of easy means to top oneself has (repeatedly) been shown to be a significant factor in the overall death rate.
  • Decreased availability causes decreased mortality.
  • Suicide-prevention fences on one bridge do not cause people to travel to another bridge, they simply cool off and get on with life. The exact same argument applies with guns.
  • Historical reasons for guns as laid out in the US' constitution, such as defending yourself against government tyranny, lost Conquistadores, or POHMs setting out to bring the US back under British rule, are laughable today.
  • The consumer fire-arms industry (which is what you're really talking about, and has nothing to do with weapons that could realistically hold off the government), is selling a fantasy so that "big boys" can also have their Barbie Doll accessories.

Besides, South America has been a freak-show for decades with proxy wars and Communist fanatics, which Russia pretends to know nothing about. Let me know if they have Kalashnikovs or some US brand.

Educate yourself:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html
I was making a quick joke to prove a point. You are on an off topic diatribe. Take it to the gun control threads and I would be glad to decimate your arguments there. BTW, I get all my facts from a spinoff of MAD magazine too!


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: bojan92 on August 04, 2015, 04:27:24 PM
So many crazy people, so little ways to protect. In my country if a trespasser is in you house, you don't have a right to take any kind of action against him, because he can take you to court and take your money :)


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: UliJonHoth on August 04, 2015, 05:36:25 PM
I was making a quick joke to prove a point. You are on an off topic diatribe. Take it to the gun control threads and I would be glad to decimate your arguments there. BTW, I get all my facts from a spinoff of MAD magazine too!

I used to love those magazines as a kid, don't think most know that site is what remains of Cracked magazine

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JT9m8wafc-0/U_QJMja2osI/AAAAAAAAFe8/3ha8iuCP9ZQ/s1600/Cracked%2B187%2Bcover.jpg


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: blablahblah on August 04, 2015, 06:36:43 PM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns...
You fucking idiots!...  ???

  • Gun suicides...
Educate yourself:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html
I was making a quick joke to prove a point. You are on an off topic diatribe. Take it to the gun control threads and I would be glad to decimate your arguments there. BTW, I get all my facts from a spinoff of MAD magazine too!
And I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to AutistiMint. He may have a case of perma-anger but he's not stupid ;)

I guess I'm just one of those "rest of the world" type people who are occasionally bemused by the US' obsession with guns. One of these days scientists will discover that the penis actually has neurons (just like the heart and intestines), and then they'll do a scan and discover that it thinks the rest of the body is a complete idiot for having an insufficient sex drive.
(I almost did the analogy as America = anus; irrational obsession with guns = obsession with firing shit.)

So glad you read the link. Too bad you didn't learn anything so you needn't have bothered.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 04, 2015, 08:51:35 PM
THERE ARE SO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE - WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!

No we all need to carry guns...
You fucking idiots!...  ???

  • Gun suicides...
Educate yourself:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html
I was making a quick joke to prove a point. You are on an off topic diatribe. Take it to the gun control threads and I would be glad to decimate your arguments there. BTW, I get all my facts from a spinoff of MAD magazine too!
And I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to AutistiMint. He may have a case of perma-anger but he's not stupid ;)

I guess I'm just one of those "rest of the world" type people who are occasionally bemused by the US' obsession with guns. One of these days scientists will discover that the penis actually has neurons (just like the heart and intestines), and then they'll do a scan and discover that it thinks the rest of the body is a complete idiot for having an insufficient sex drive.
(I almost did the analogy as America = anus; irrational obsession with guns = obsession with firing shit.)

So glad you read the link. Too bad you didn't learn anything so you needn't have bothered.

I don't care who you were talking to. This is a public thread, and I am talking to you. Since you are too much of a coward to take your arguments to the appropriate on topic thread, I have done so for you and decimated your arguments there. Enjoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg12054649#msg12054649


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: blablahblah on August 04, 2015, 08:57:16 PM


I don't care who you were talking to. This is a public thread, and I am talking to you. Since you are too much of a coward to take your arguments to the appropriate on topic thread, I have done so for you and decimated your arguments there. Enjoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg12054649#msg12054649

Dammit... 20+ pages?! I respect the lengthy reply. I'm legitimately trying to cut down on my 'net time here though. Peace.


Title: Re: Man Decapitates Wife, Kills Dogs, Gouges-Out Eyeball, And Lops Hand-Off
Post by: TECSHARE on August 04, 2015, 09:27:11 PM


I don't care who you were talking to. This is a public thread, and I am talking to you. Since you are too much of a coward to take your arguments to the appropriate on topic thread, I have done so for you and decimated your arguments there. Enjoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg12054649#msg12054649

Dammit... 20+ pages?! I respect the lengthy reply. I'm legitimately trying to cut down on my 'net time here though. Peace.

Actually it is only about a paragraph (which I directly linked to), but don't let that stop you from misconstruing the situation to give yourself an excuse to run away because you can't defend your arguments.