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The guy gave me red rep for no reason becaues I was trying to buy BTC with Paypal.
I also offered Western Union or Debit card.


Of course all of these were bad methods because he said so and then he left me red reputation and then another but buddy of his did the same. Beware of this guy he tries to force people into using his escrow service. Hope people realize this!

Please make a proper report: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

Paypal is not a good way to purchase BTC unless there is a lot of Trust between buyer and seller. The reasons are obvious.

Tell the full story. You were trying to get other members to send first.

Yeah I wasn't going to send to newbie accounts first sorry I have been scammed twice and am not retarded.
Also I have been here longer and check my real feedback I traded with someone this morning.

I also expect if lower activity to send first. Or escrow but I am not sending first at all. Tell the true story admit here how u are a scammer leaving me false negative.

NOBODY should send first to you.

LOL. I'm the scammer. Thanks for the laugh  ;D

Please explain ur reasoinings or why your opinion matters?
Someone did send first to me and they got the paypal right then.

Post TX ID as proof.
You need to make a proper report.

http://i.gyazo.com/646f1d0a41ee7445ceb6404ff0f5e693.png

This was my successful trade.

And the BTC TX ID?

EDIT: This is not a scam accusation. You need to move this thread to Meta.

What is the BTC TX ID?

This is scam acustation for red repping me for no reason.

i dont think you understand the definition of the word "scam."
http://i.gyazo.com/1e8c86391685f1c367d2f4adf0b963a3.png

so because QS and xetsr left you -ve feedback, theyve somehow managed to dishonestly swindle you? scientology makes more sense than what youre claiming. also, its spelled "obliged."

Seriously? Don't know what a BTC TX ID is? Not sure you're trolling or what now  ???

You should really black out the name and email address in that screenshot for privacy reasons.

That's NOT a scam, you have the reason. This belongs in Meta.

it is a SCAM in my opinon

Since nobody has mentionned it yet, trust is unmoderated and read below.

"Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer."

Quickseller is pretty quick on the trigger when it comes to fishy behavior, but there's nothing holding him back from red trusting you.

???

You were not offering to use escrow, you were asking the other party to send first. You also clearly fabricated whatever screenshot you tried to give (or at least the underlying trade) considering that you mixed up who sent first (you wrote that you sent first to a ~9 post newbie)

Point proven his attitude is that I should send first to a 9 post newbie. Also he wants me to use escrow. I have no problem with escrow but I have never done anything wrong here and wanted fast. But thats cool you are quick to the trigger I agree with posts above nothing stops you and nothing stops me its unmoderated. So enjoy ur red trust I could care less I have only ever bought things here successfully 2/4 times 2 times being scammed. :(

i think default trust would be better than your negative trust quickseller.
since he is not scamming anybody, but with his negative trust now, he is looks like scammer.
if i'm on GamingOn position, maybe i will doing something like this because it is not comfortable doing business with the negative trust on the account.

one of you two is either a retardconfused or a liar, or maybe even both.

and i doubt it's quickseller.

Not accepting escrow and asking the other person go first often earns the member a negative rating. It doesn't prove that the person is a scammer though and I've often been voicing my opinion about that as I did the same when I was new here. If not Quickseller, then another DT member would have left you a rating and this thread does seem suspicious though: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142024.msg12052824#msg12052824

He shouldn´t have done shady things then, he wanted to make trades without escrow and the other person to send first, his reason was that the other person was a newb, fine, use escrow, dont ask him to send first when you dont have good trust yourself

There's a big difference between refusing to use escrow and forgetting to mention escrow.  I also wouldn't send first to a newbie without escrow.

As we know, Quickseller runs an escrow service and makes money by neg-repping others and not looking back.  We've yet to see an instance where Quickseller admits he was wrong unless there was absolute concrete proof he was wrong (see the case of ndnhc).  He's quick on the trigger, so to speak, because that's what gets him to the top.

The problem is that there's no accountability for his false-accusations.  People with lower-ranked accounts will just move on and get a new account, maybe they'll even buy one from him (conflict of interest!?).  He can slash-and-burn his way through the lending section, dropping red trust and not looking back.  People who were caught in his cross-fire have no recourse and people who aren't caught in his cross-fire think he's somehow doing a service.

This is the problem with the trust-rangers, the people who are trying to consolidate power by dropping as many red-trusts as possible.  There's no accountablilty for their actions.  Either they were right, in which case people say "good job", or they were wrong, in which case the poor newbie just says "what the fuck" and makes a new account.  There are almost no people willing to stand up for themselves because of situations like my case which prove that QS can stand for 6 months dropping false accusations.  They see that he'll use sock-puppets and lies to knock you down and they don't have the stamina to fight back.  Mods can look in my PMs and see the many supportive messages saying they feel bad for what QS is doing to me but they won't speak up for fear of crossing him.

I don't know what this guy was actually trying to do and crucially, neither does Quickseller. The difference between him and me is that I'm not a trust-ranger/account-seller/escrow provider, so I have no vested interested in neg-repping newbie accounts.  If QS was actually trying to make a difference for good on the forum and not just puff himself up, he would have simply posted in the thread that PP is suspicious and debit-card should use an escrow.  That would have been enough to get the message out but it wouldn't have inflated his neg-rep count, which is how he's working his way to the top around here, and the blood of many of us peasants is running in the rivers as he kills his way to get there.

The difference between Quickseller and other DT members is that others will apologize and remove the negative rating if there's been a misunderstanding or a miscommunication.  We've yet to see QS do that.

trust =/= scam, people seem to be forgetting this fact. negative trust ratings being left means you do not trust this person, not that the person is a scammer.

True.  But as has been said again and again in meta, people on default trust are supposed to be held to a higher degree of accountability with respect to their ratings because of the extreme language that accompanies being marked red by someone on default trust.  QS uses the trust system vengefully against people he doesn't like and for his economic benefit against newbies that he doesn't know.  This kind of outlandish behavior shouldn't be tolerated on default-trust, and I still hold out a hope that eventually someone is going to put an end to it.

Considering control of the situation is with a very small number of hands, and they refuse to do anything about this problem, the only way there will ever be an end to it is if everyone else stands up all at once and says enough. Otherwise they will just pick off any objectors one by one, as they have been since it was created.

@tspacepilot: I agree that QS does leave ratings randomly and sometimes he doesn't analyse the account and just takes a decision in haste. However, when he is proved wrong, he does rectify it (may be without apologizing for his mistake). Even I was a victim earlier but I don't even know when he removed his rating and I dint want to go after him for that. I have often been critical about his ratings and hence I understand that he isn't 100% accurate while terming a person a scammer (may be 80% accurate). I don't quite agree that because he is an escrow, he leaves ratings on other users as I have seen it's not true. May be because he is an escrow, people blame him. LOL!

He is a trusted member over here and that's what matters more and he hasn't been too rude or abusive as other members here and so I have no issues with him anymore. I see that many a times he does leave accurate ratings and hence it's fine.


@subSTRATA: I know abut it but if the person is a genuine member, I can only feel sorry for the member as he would be termed as a scammer irrespective of whether he is or he isn't as his account is marked red.

Well, I'm glad to know that he finally corrected himself with respect to you.  It's good to know that there was at least one situation where he went back and fixed a mistake.

I don't know how you can say that he's not rude---of course, rudeness isn't that big a deal---but from what I can tell the whole reason why he's currently assaulting me has to do with the fact that he was calling people idiots for disagreing with him and I told him that was not appropriate.  Even since then, he's been smearing me  with sockpuppets.

There's also this, I wonder if you're merely trying not to say anything too cricial of him now in order to avoid getting caught back in his crosshairs.  Apparantely, you used to be under attack by him and somehow got out.  I know that if I somehow got out from under his attack I'd be treading on eggshells in order to avoid going through this nightmare again.

I meant he wasn't quite rude like others who have abused me for nothing. When I noticed the difference, I started respecting those who don't abuse. I've been less active since 2 months as this forum has few members who abuse and get away with it and I don't feel safe here anymore due to them but that's my personal problem with the forum. He has been a bit rude to me but I can atleast talk to him unlike few others who just start bashing here.

@bold:  :D :D :D :D :D

I don't know what to say but I know you're frustrated with him and like he loves you a lot, you love him too. I can only say that those who don't have any issues with him now aren't necessarily scared of him or want to play safe. Whenever I have something to debate with him or any person, I'll do so no matter who is that person and what's the end result.  ;)