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hey mates from somedays when I was surfing on bitcointalk some people's are asking me to give them +ve truse as they will offer me a price in return.so I generally ignored them..but is this kind of servic is avalible here in bitcointalk to buy trust with money..for me it doesn't make sence..and also tell me what are the advantages of +ve trust

Buying trust is frowned upon here. It should not be a service. While it doesn't really matter if you aren't on Default Trust, positive trust means that you are trustworthy and people with more positive trust get away with less restrictions. They may be trusted to not need an escrow or not provide collateral when taking a loan. If someone on Default Trust is selling trust, they will probably receive negative trust and be removed from DT.

WELL  people do it. I have been offered money to sell this account 3 different times.

No one flat out asked me if I send you 0.1 btc fake a trust ,but I was offered .2 btc for this when it was a hero account.  I was also offered .3 btc and .25 btc to sell it when it was a hero account.


What some people do is  ask me to  escrow a deal and then ask for favorable feedback. If you deal with me and a deal works I write that up as positive.

 That I do but if they ask to go on my trust list I say no. I am default trust list so getting on that needs to be hard I really need to know you a bit.

What is the advantage of going positive on this site? It allows you to sell and make deals easier.

If you never want to borrow or lend btc.
If you never want to sell gear or buy gear.

The trust has very little meaning.

anyone caught buying trust is negged and if anyone of default trust would be caught accepting payment they would lose default trust status.  you don't easily get on default trust and if you do, you need to be careful with that power or you will lose it.

people who buy trust. know they are going to somehow make their money back. .. the answer is simple if it costs them $100 to get 10 people to write positive trust. they can then scam people and use your name as the 'guarantor'. meaning they can scam $10,000+.. at a $100 cost and leave you with the blame for giving your fake trust to them

I think if you were selling your trust you'd get called out for it really quickly. People would either give you negative trust or forum mods would shut you down.

Just simply report those PM's directly to Mods and they will take appropriate action against those or open a thread in scam accusation section and post their names with proofs.

well I will surely do this if next time I got any of the user like this..thanks for everyone here to writing their feedbacks..

Well let me simplify this. Any type of trust manipulation will result in you getting negative trust from multiple members if you are caught.  Obviously there are ways for people to manipulate to get at least some trust, but one should not do this or even think about doing it.

Trust isn't moderated so I doubt that this is the correct way to proceed. I'd recommend contacting someone such as Quickseller with proof.

There are many manipulations here in regards to trust, and buying it straight off is one of them, but is definetly not the most popular one.
Many people deal with trusted members just in order to get trust, so they could sell their accounts for a bigger price, but it's a bit strange
that someone was trying to buy trust from you, since your feedback would show as an untrusted one, just like mine.

Reporting posts to moderator won't help, since trust is moderated, and imho the best thing you can do is share info on exactly who is the
one who was trying to buy off trust. Then someone from DT should mark him so that people know how that member's trust is "faked" in a way.

cheers

Nothing. Esp. if everyone starts buying trust. ;)


IMO, escrow needn't give positive trust to someone just because he escrowed for him, esp. if the former is in default trust. There is nothing risked, so a neutral would do.

Yes, neutral would be enough in that cases, but people that have trusted feedback like the fact how many people are using their services, even tho they just do it because they
know they will get +ive. In that was they are leaving other similar services in an disadvantage, and it's not really the fair thing to do.

cheers

Buying trust is allowed here but it doesn't happen OPENLY in the forum while in PRIVATE. The only way possible to buy trust here is to sell accounts or buy accounts with positive trust/green trust accounts. While the former is frowned upon and gifted with negative ratings, the later is discouraged but not considered a BAD deal.

trust is like your faith .. on must not sell out his/her just for few money ..
i'm not well aware of the forum rules ... but still i can say giving your trust for sake of money is immoral ...
as far as i think the fake people would like to earn trust with money ... to prove themselves that they are not fake ..

Buying and selling trust is not against forum rules. There are very few things about the trust system that are explicitly against the rules, and none of which any staff besides Admins can touch. The reason for that being, its up to the people using the trust system to decide what is and isn't ok to do.

In this example, the forum users have decided that buying/selling trust isn't acceptable behavior, so it has become standard to give people trying negative feedback. I personally would recommend giving someone trying to buy/sell trust negative trust as well. And while moderators won't ban anyone for doing something like selling trust, I'd bet many would be willing to help. So if you do report the PM, it will at the very least verify that the pm you are claiming to have recieved is accurate.


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The beautiful thing about it all, is that all of the heavily debated topics such as account selling and signature ad campaigns also play a role in this. They give value to accounts that otherwise would be worthless. If someone's account can net them .1 BTC/month from a sig ad campaign, they are less likely to ruin their account for $10. The cost of scamming goes way up when accounts have value, and it becomes a risky endevor to try and scam. Sure a newbie account can scam a $5 starbucks card, but if you want to try and scam people out of something bigger, your trust must be valued greater than that item's value. So then the scammer can only attempt to scam say $500 for an account that might be worth $1000 based on all of its trust and rank. Why do that when you can sell the account? And the cycle continues. For the most part, scamming goes against self interest and nets the scammer a loss if you are trying to buy trust or accounts.

The only real successful scammers I've seen thus far are people who have operated legitimately for years, ran businesses, and were vetted. The trust system doesn't help about the long con in the slightest, so always be careful.

in my opinion, trust should not be bought.
It should be earned. I hope that people would know this

Take a look at BiPolarBob: he is the forum's biggest trust buyer. Deep green 100+ trust and all he did was pay off members in DefaultTrust.

Obvious trust buyer.

Given a recent event... I think you should lose that power, as you've abused it. I could be biased, though.

you were blatantly account farming and furthermore trying to get a loan base on it.
if other esteemed members of the community think I'm out of line with leaving you negative trust
for account farming, I will consider their opinions.

I would actually like to hear what Salty Spitoon has to say on this particular case.  He has been around a long time here and seems to be level headed.

is there any proof for OPs claim that people tried to buy trust from him?

I believe that it was just a way to push your agenda by screwing me over. I had an emergency and did all I could do. Ask for a loan with the only collateral I had. I dont want to be dragged into drama, but I would like a cordial discussion of this here in meta (as to not highjack OP's thread). So would you do the honors of presenting the situation?

I think this is relevant to the thread.

I don't really have any "agenda" per se.  Sometimes I roam the
lending section and leave negative feedback where I think
it is appropriate.

I think trading accounts, having multiple accounts, building up multiple
accounts (farming), using multiple accounts for loans... (basically all
the things you are doing) generally works to the detriment of the community
and I think people that blatantly engage in account farming as
you have should be left negative trust.

I'm open to hearing other opinions about it.

Find me one single credible person who things I was too hard on you and I'll
consider changing it.
 

well I have gaved hese users just a warning...but I will take strict actions against it if it is happen again ..it don't matter that I have given those users waring or not..but if anyone trys to buy trust from me with those amounts then I will simply report them to modrators..thats all

well I don't think giving negetive trust for just farming multiplr accounts is fair..because the user is not braking and rule..so why will you mark him red trusted.

so, you don't have any proof for your claim, that people contacted you to buy trust? did you provide any proof to SaltySpitoon like he asked earlier?

Honestly this smells like signature campaign post hunting bullshit...

As was said earlier, there are very few things "against the rules" here.  

Buying trust is not "against the rules" either... But buying trust and
buying accounts are very similar.  Wouldn't you leave negative feedback
for someone buying or selling trust?  This kind of thing shouldn't be encouraged.

another reason:

Bitcointalk should be about talking Bitcoin.  Yes people also beg, I mean borrow
money, etc.  And it's tolerated and put in its own section.  if you're going to ask
to borrow money and you're going to account farm, shouldn't people at least
know about that fact before lending?  iOw, if you were asked for a loan,
shouldn't you be alerted to the fact that the borrower has multiple accounts
and therefore might be more likely to default?  

and a third reason:  if accounting farming isn't discouraged, we will see more it
and the quality of posts will further decline.