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Title: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: aaa801 on October 02, 2012, 11:14:49 PM
Anyone had a look at this

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone

Is it suited for bitcoin mining ?


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: hamdi on October 02, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
for mining not,
but for rendering video/images sure mega!


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: aaa801 on October 02, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
for mining not,
but for rendering video/images sure mega!

Mhm, it has opencl support for the 64 risc cores, should be good for something ;)


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: luffy on October 07, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
great for ltc and sc mining ;)


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Zeek_W on October 07, 2012, 10:40:33 PM
Seems interesting. They are essentially cutting an AVNet ZedBoard down from $395 to $99 with their own daughter boards.

The chip on the daughter board has some nice specs:
Quote
    64 High Performance RISC CPU Cores
    800 MHz Operating Frequency
    100 GFLOPS Sustained Performance
    1638 GB/s Local Memory Bandwidth
    102 GB/s Network-On-Chip Bisection Bandwidth
    6.4 GB/s Off-Chip Bandwidth
    2 MB On-Chip Distributed Shared Memory
    2 Watt Maximum Chip Power Consumption
    IEEE Floating Point Instruction Set
    Fully-featured ANSI-C/C++ programmable
    GNU/Eclipse based tool chain
    Source synchronous LVDS off chip links for host or direct chip-to-chip interfacing.
    Chip to chip links for integrating up to 64 chips on a single board
    324-ball 15x15mm flip-chip BGA
Source: http://www.adapteva.com/products/silicon-devices/e64g401/


It doesn't look good for the kickstarter (they need $750 000 and only have $200 000 so far) - I hope it goes through.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: quasarbtc on October 08, 2012, 02:16:51 AM
Seems interesting. They are essentially cutting an AVNet ZedBoard down from $395 to $99 with their own daughter boards.

The chip on the daughter board has some nice specs:
Quote
    64 High Performance RISC CPU Cores
    800 MHz Operating Frequency
    100 GFLOPS Sustained Performance
    1638 GB/s Local Memory Bandwidth
    102 GB/s Network-On-Chip Bisection Bandwidth
    6.4 GB/s Off-Chip Bandwidth
    2 MB On-Chip Distributed Shared Memory
    2 Watt Maximum Chip Power Consumption
    IEEE Floating Point Instruction Set
    Fully-featured ANSI-C/C++ programmable
    GNU/Eclipse based tool chain
    Source synchronous LVDS off chip links for host or direct chip-to-chip interfacing.
    Chip to chip links for integrating up to 64 chips on a single board
    324-ball 15x15mm flip-chip BGA
Source: http://www.adapteva.com/products/silicon-devices/e64g401/


It doesn't look good for the kickstarter (they need $750 000 and only have $200 000 so far) - I hope it goes through.

I agree, it doesn't look so good right now. Do you think they'll get a boost from releasing their documents (which occurred today, I believe)?


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: SysRun on October 08, 2012, 02:49:13 AM
Does anyone still trust kickstarter?


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: quasarbtc on October 12, 2012, 03:11:36 AM
Does anyone still trust kickstarter?


Since they've clarified,

"Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. It is the responsibility of the project creator to complete their project as promised, and the claims of this project are theirs alone."
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics#Acco

So, there is little reason to trust anyone. Although later on the same page, they do state that the creators agree to some type of obligation to deliver rewards or offer refunds to backers.

I'm surprised by how quickly it has evolved into a purchasing-oriented rather than donation-oriented system, but people tend to prefer tangible rewards if offered, I suppose.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Kaliecious on October 12, 2012, 04:01:01 AM
Would you want something back if youinvested in a company? I would, why invest if tthat doesnt happen?
If there is a possiblblty woudt happen I would be better off keepin my 100K a year income in alow intrest
savings.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Zeek_W on October 12, 2012, 04:54:57 AM
Seems interesting. They are essentially cutting an AVNet ZedBoard down from $395 to $99 with their own daughter boards.

The chip on the daughter board has some nice specs:
Quote
    64 High Performance RISC CPU Cores
    800 MHz Operating Frequency
    100 GFLOPS Sustained Performance
    1638 GB/s Local Memory Bandwidth
    102 GB/s Network-On-Chip Bisection Bandwidth
    6.4 GB/s Off-Chip Bandwidth
    2 MB On-Chip Distributed Shared Memory
    2 Watt Maximum Chip Power Consumption
    IEEE Floating Point Instruction Set
    Fully-featured ANSI-C/C++ programmable
    GNU/Eclipse based tool chain
    Source synchronous LVDS off chip links for host or direct chip-to-chip interfacing.
    Chip to chip links for integrating up to 64 chips on a single board
    324-ball 15x15mm flip-chip BGA
Source: http://www.adapteva.com/products/silicon-devices/e64g401/


It doesn't look good for the kickstarter (they need $750 000 and only have $200 000 so far) - I hope it goes through.

I agree, it doesn't look so good right now. Do you think they'll get a boost from releasing their documents (which occurred today, I believe)?

They are up to $300k now.

Interestingly check out their survey responses - some people are wanting it for Bitcoin:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone/posts


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: kjj on October 15, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
800 MHz times 64 cores is 51,200,000,000 instructions per second.

SHA-256 takes about 3000 instructions per round, and has 64 rounds, so 192,000 instructions per hash.

Gives about 266 kilohashes per second, per chip.  Not great for mining.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: runeks on October 15, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
Once multi-threaded signature verification becomes standard in the Satoshi client, one of these $99 boards (given they reach their target) might be able to verify enough transactions per second to maintain the block chain if/when transaction volumes start reaching high levels. That's pretty cool for a $99 computer.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: luffy on October 25, 2012, 06:26:09 AM
they are near $500k and 2 more days to go!
i don't see how the $750k will be reached unless a "big fish"
awakes the last moment :D


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Zeek_W on October 25, 2012, 08:18:05 AM
they are near $500k and 2 more days to go!
i don't see how the $750k will be reached unless a "big fish"
awakes the last moment :D

I think if they showed more practical uses for it they would make the funding


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: malevolent on October 25, 2012, 08:23:13 AM
Damn, half a million is already a lot, it would be nice if someone with a quarter of a million appeared now.  :)


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Mushoz on October 25, 2012, 08:24:26 AM
Sounds like a fun supercomputer project. How well would this perform compared to say a quadcore ivy bridge processor on perfectly threadable workloads?


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Meatball on October 25, 2012, 12:23:29 PM
Does anyone still trust kickstarter?


I was just thinking the same thing.  Kickstarter has about a year left before it starts to implode due to people losing all trust with them.  Unless they do a better job of vetting what gets up there, noone will want to use it anymore.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Mushoz on October 25, 2012, 02:41:21 PM
Does anyone still trust kickstarter?


I was just thinking the same thing.  Kickstarter has about a year left before it starts to implode due to people losing all trust with them.  Unless they do a better job of vetting what gets up there, noone will want to use it anymore.

What did they do that would cause people not to trust them? I haven't heard about kickstarter until now, so I don't have a clue, but on the outside it sounds like a very cool way to get funding for projects like these.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: runeks on October 25, 2012, 05:34:38 PM
they are near $500k and 2 more days to go!
i don't see how the $750k will be reached unless a "big fish"
awakes the last moment :D

I think if they showed more practical uses for it they would make the funding
I think the point is that it's mostly a research project. Ie. the device is intended to discover what people would actually use 64 cores for. Currently there aren't many processes that would be sped up with this kind of configuration. It's a chicken-and-egg problem.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: ewibit on October 26, 2012, 06:05:53 PM
They are up to $300k now.
now @$674k and 27 hours to go...


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: punningclan on October 26, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
These are floating point instructions per second, since Bitcoin uses integers there could be some wiggle room? ???


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: legolouman on October 26, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
I'm very curious to see the Cypto-Related uses of the computer.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: beekeeper on October 26, 2012, 08:04:33 PM
I'm very curious to see the Cypto-Related uses of the computer.

It does not have enough RAM to use it for LTC mining (fully).


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: malevolent on October 26, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
Looks like they are gonna make it.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: luffy on October 27, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
they DO make it!!!!
i am suprized, the last day surpass the target by far  :o


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: runeks on October 27, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
LOL, WTF? Awesome they made it! I wonder who decided to put forward like $300,000 in the last, like, 48 hours.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: kjj on October 27, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
I thought about backing it for $200 to get the 64-core one, just for giggles, but there was no way they were going to hit the $3M stretch goal for that.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: ewibit on October 27, 2012, 04:29:17 PM
now @$674k and 27 hours to go...
@$831k and 5 hours to go  :)


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: crazyates on October 27, 2012, 05:49:46 PM
I was kinda hoping this project would succeed, but I didn't have any cash to send their way.

Side note: I find it funny that no one gives two shits about sending almost a million dollars to fund a startup company for computer hardware that could not be delivered for quite some time.  ;)


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: ChipGeek on October 27, 2012, 06:31:58 PM
I was kinda hoping this project would succeed, but I didn't have any cash to send their way.

Side note: I find it funny that no one gives two shits about sending almost a million dollars to fund a startup company for computer hardware that could not be delivered for quite some time.  ;)

+1  ^^^ This.  :D


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: robocoin on October 27, 2012, 09:25:33 PM
Can't wait for my 99$ board. Beside from learning I'll use it for data mining and 24/7 stochastics  :D, might be way cheaper than a quad core vps.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: senseless on October 27, 2012, 11:32:44 PM
Can't wait for my 99$ board. Beside from learning I'll use it for data mining and 24/7 stochastics  :D, might be way cheaper than a quad core vps.

Same, should be an easy co-processor to use since it has existing libraries in the SDK (and opencl support). Can't wait to see what sort of streaming encryption performance i can get out of my 99$ unit.



Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: legolouman on October 28, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
Can't wait for my 99$ board. Beside from learning I'll use it for data mining and 24/7 stochastics  :D, might be way cheaper than a quad core vps.

Same, should be an easy co-processor to use since it has existing libraries in the SDK (and opencl support). Can't wait to see what sort of streaming encryption performance i can get out of my 99$ unit.



All things considered, coming with packages like that will be very useful, even if the board's specs aren't great.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: punningclan on October 28, 2012, 07:42:08 PM
The company's projected improvements through 2014 do begin look competitive with at least GPU performance and presumably resell is not an issue.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: SistaS0uljah on October 28, 2012, 09:03:22 PM
I was kinda hoping this project would succeed, but I didn't have any cash to send their way.

Side note: I find it funny that no one gives two shits about sending almost a million dollars to fund a startup company for computer hardware that could not be delivered for quite some time.  ;)
Kickstarter has some interesting policies.  You must remember that until the funding goal is reached, all those numbers are just pledges.  The total does not represent money in the bank.  If the project does not meet the funding target, no one loses any money, since they haven't spent a penny (they've only pledged funds to the organizers). 

If the project meets its funding goal, then the money is made available to the developers (less a percentage kept by Kickstarter).  Should the product fail to ship, then the investors lose their funds.  If the product ships, however late, the investors still get something for their trouble.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: SLok on October 28, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
I thought about backing it for $200 to get the 64-core one, just for giggles, but there was no way they were going to hit the $3M stretch goal for that.
Same here, they could have had a lot more supporters if they could have done 64 core within a $1,500,000 budget. I wanted two at least.


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: Zeek_W on October 29, 2012, 05:45:58 AM
I wonder how it will go cracking WPA  :P


Title: Re: 45ghz $199 "supercomputer"
Post by: legolouman on October 29, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
I wonder how it will go cracking WPA  :P

It might actually be very good at that, even more so than other cryptographical uses.