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Title: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2015, 09:24:10 PM http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html
hoax? real? you decide Quote bitcoin-dev Bitcoin XT Fork Satoshi Nakamoto satoshi at vistomail.com Sat Aug 15 17:43:54 UTC 2015 Previous message: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A Next message: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus. However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork. The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth. When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement. Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto. Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it. By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour. They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be. However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions. For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network. Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism. If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold. Satoshi Nakamoto Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Yofun on August 15, 2015, 09:28:18 PM I think it's fake.
Not sure his original email. But if it is. Its not hard to fake emails. http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010239.html "Sign with the key 5EC948A1 or shut up, you scammer" Let's see Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: AgentofCoin on August 15, 2015, 09:33:34 PM https://i.imgflip.com/m6o44.jpg
The prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: tsoPANos on August 15, 2015, 09:34:36 PM If it was him, he would has signed his message.
This has happened lot's of times. He is holding one and a half million bitcoins. Why would he come to light? Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: apriyani420 on August 15, 2015, 09:35:26 PM I know that its actually recall easy to make fake emails as it was already pointed out in the previous post though I guess it is impossible for it to proof that itsreal
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: --Encrypted-- on August 15, 2015, 09:37:33 PM anyone that claims to be satoshi without signing a PGP message with his key is going to be ruled out as fake. why ask?
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: GermanGiant on August 15, 2015, 09:42:19 PM It might be him. It might not. But, if he wants the world to believe, he has to sign with his PGP.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: achow101 on August 15, 2015, 09:44:13 PM It might be him since that email was used before.
BTW, there is already a thread about this here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153708.0 Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: sana9821 on August 15, 2015, 09:48:27 PM This is probably just a hoax that was created by someone I doubt that satoshi would reappear again after such a long period of silence though it would be really cool if it was real and not fake
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Habeler876 on August 15, 2015, 09:51:18 PM It might be him since that email was used before. Yes, but even tho that email was used, it was also confirmed as being compromised before, so without PGP it's just an another hoax, but judging by the way the statement in question was composed; it's a well made one. imho satoshi is interested in our reaction to the fork just as much as we are interested in his opinion, maybe even more so. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: --Encrypted-- on August 15, 2015, 09:57:52 PM Yes, but even tho that email was used, it was also confirmed as being compromised before, so without PGP it's just an another hoax, but judging by the way the statement in question was composed; it's a well made one. imho satoshi is interested in our reaction to the fork just as much as we are interested in his opinion, maybe even more so. satoshi@vistomail.com <- I don't think this email have ever been confirmed as being compromised before.. satoshi used that when he first announced bitcoin. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: dasource on August 15, 2015, 10:18:57 PM If (and a huge *if* that is) Satoshi decided he needed to make a point .. why would he not do it with the technology he created? Sign a message using one of his private keys on the bitcoin blockchain.
Something for everyone to see and no-one to dispute. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: NorrisK on August 15, 2015, 10:22:08 PM It doesn't even sound like Satoshis earlier posts.. It is just a rant of somebody who is not agreeing with how it is going.. Just ignore it :)
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: 98problems on August 15, 2015, 10:22:48 PM Wow its really crazy I think it can be really him because of the email he used and I hope it was him a lot of time have passed since we heard last time from satoshi I hope he's back
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: randy8777 on August 15, 2015, 10:33:48 PM i don't think this is really satoshi. this smells more like some one is trying to trigger panic sellers to sell. it is a failed attempt. people are wise enough to see that this isn't real.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: RGBKey on August 15, 2015, 10:44:59 PM The real satoshi would have signed a message, no questions asked. This has to be a fake.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: rax on August 15, 2015, 11:28:33 PM anyone that claims to be satoshi without signing a PGP message with his key is going to be ruled out as fake. why ask? TBH he never ever signed anything. Probably on purpose ;D Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: --Encrypted-- on August 15, 2015, 11:32:56 PM anyone that claims to be satoshi without signing a PGP message with his key is going to be ruled out as fake. why ask? TBH he never ever signed anything. Probably on purpose ;D yeah, I've read about it. but it doesn't change the fact that people won't be willing to accept anyone that claims to be satoshi without some sort of proof. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: FreeJack2k on August 16, 2015, 12:01:26 AM He's an absentee landlord and this situation is of his own making. I find it extremely dubious that he'd choose to chime in and proclaim that he'd have to call it a "failed project" if things didn't go his way. Tell that to the VCs that have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into the ecosystem, so far. Besides that, nobody's going to believe this was really written by Satoshi (whoever he is). Sign the message with one of the addresses that contains part of your million Bitcoin hoard, then I'll buy that it's you...and then, I won't really care what you have to say about it, because you've long since abandoned the project anyway.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: chek2fire on August 16, 2015, 12:02:31 AM I dont know if is him but it has a nice point to what he say. He cant one ore two developer fork bitcoin just like that.. In the other way this is the power of bitcoin. Someone try to fork it and if everyone follow then this that we have is democracy.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: tadakaluri on August 16, 2015, 02:50:12 AM Undoubtedly this email is fake. I think Satoshi must not come back again to involve in BTC in any way.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: n2004al on August 16, 2015, 03:18:57 AM I don't think that this "work" is a "work" of Satoshi Nakamoto. If it would be it were be more and more rumor and discussion by to many important people of the world of bitcoin. I don't want to discuss about the content of email because this is the job of the specialist but I don't think that this simple thing will obligated Satoshi to come out from his anonymity.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Holliday on August 16, 2015, 04:15:52 AM satoshi holds the private keys to a lot of bitcoins. Should there be a fork in the future, he can single-handedly devastate whichever side of the fork he doesn't agree with by tainting his coins with coins from a new block from that fork and then dumping them on the market. In a 1-2 punch he can then use the proceeds from that sale to purchase additional coins on the side of the fork he does agree with. In other words, satoshi doesn't have to use his words in this case.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: bitcreditscc on August 16, 2015, 04:24:21 AM It's false, if you have read Satoshi's authentic posts on this thread then you'll see this:-
Quote For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network. He did in fact foresee pools and how there would be an arms race for mining that could spin way beyond what an individual could afford. Also you'll note the lack of a signature, and the most glaring problem with this post:- Quote Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism. If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold. Whoa...like, just whoa !!!!!!! This is not Satoshi speak. Let's ignore the fact that he left and is never coming back, and let's ignore ALL the posts where he clearly outlined that block size would have to be adjusted and let's pretend that he thinks he ha the power to declare it a failed project. The first thing would be, satoshi knows consensus is reached by majority, so no matter what he says which ever fork has the most nodes wins. That would fall in line with the socialist statement, but directly contradicts the "declare failure" statement. This is a sad attempt , either by the Elements squad or their supporters to sway public opinion by invoking his name as though he's some sort of god. While i am concerned about the fork, i do also believe that their home grown solution (sidechains) is not an adaquate answer, neither is increasing the blocksize without a follow up plan. A 8 MB block + sidechains sounds more like a technical solution rather than this political nonsense they are all trying to peddle. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: eternalgloom on August 16, 2015, 04:34:22 AM Interesting to say the least, but I think it's fake for sure since the writing differs a bit too much from his earlier real posts.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: steven.G999 on August 16, 2015, 04:37:53 AM Why would any experienced member believe this to be real? It's obvious Satoshi never post anything without a signed message after many years.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: fbitti on August 16, 2015, 07:32:15 AM His account in p2pfoundation.ning.com has been hacked before, in 2014:
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ye0gncqg772o "Reply by Satoshi Nakamoto on September 8, 2014 at 23:10 Dear Satoshi. Your dox, passwords and IP addresses are being sold on the darknet. Apparently you didn't configure Tor properly and your IP leaked when you used your email account sometime in 2010. You are not safe. You need to get out of where you are as soon as possible before these people harm you. Thank you for inventing Bitcoin." The same could have happened to his email account. If he wants us to be sure this is him, he should sign the message. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 07:34:10 AM If it was him, he would has signed his message. exactly :) HOAX! Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Herbert2020 on August 16, 2015, 07:46:01 AM i personally will never consider these things as the real deal unless i see a signed message from satoshi's known keys.
the email can easily be fake / hacked / or even an spoofed email. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: chek2fire on August 16, 2015, 11:01:31 AM it seems that this email was not fake and maybe is real from Satoshi
Technical analysis of the Satoshi Nakamoto email #bitcoin http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2 Quote Here's a quick technical analysis of the email sent to the bitcoin-dev mailing list today at http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html The email was sent from an anonymous email provider called vistomail.com which gives the appearance of being out of service. However you can see the logins at https://webmail.vistomail.com/ The vistomail servers are authorised to originate email by their IP address via the SPF DNS records . Satoshi used satoshi@vistomail.com when first announcing Bitcoin http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/014994.html From this you can safely conclude the email did originate from vistomail.com servers and was not spoofed. It does not prove the account was not hacked of course. Partial headers from the email: Received: from mail.vistomail.com (vistomail.com [190.97.163.93]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2175813F for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DS04 ([190.97.163.93]) by vistomail.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:51:14 -0500 DNS RECORDS FOLLOW: vistomail.com descriptive text "v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com ip4:190.97.163.93 ~all" vistomail.com has address 190.97.163.93 vistomail.com mail is handled by 10 vistomail.com. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Digit-0 on August 16, 2015, 11:09:55 AM obviously this is a big FAKE, Mr. sn will never send us a message without sign it, he already know how things are going on in this forum...
so i finally doubt that this is real, btw what call my attention is the big numbers of ppl that beleive on it... Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 11:15:59 AM obviously this is a big FAKE, Mr. sn will never send us a message without sign it, he already know how things are going on in this forum... so i finally doubt that this is real, btw what call my attention is the big numbers of ppl that beleive on it... yes, no doubt he would sign his message. i read nearly all of his writings and THIS IS FAKE! http://up.picr.de/22834229ak.png Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: chek2fire on August 16, 2015, 11:19:37 AM and if this fake who is using this email in a secret mail provider that not anyone can have access to it?
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: achow101 on August 16, 2015, 11:25:58 AM and if this fake who is using this email in a secret mail provider that not anyone can have access to it? You can get access to it. It is one of the domains used by anonymousspeech.com, an anonymous email provider. When you sign up there, there is the option of selecting a vistomail.com email address. So it isn't a secret mail provider.Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: ausbit on August 16, 2015, 11:26:14 AM anyone that claims to be satoshi without signing a PGP message with his key is going to be ruled out as fake. why ask? TBH he never ever signed anything. Probably on purpose ;D yeah, I've read about it. but it doesn't change the fact that people won't be willing to accept anyone that claims to be satoshi without some sort of proof. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: achow101 on August 16, 2015, 11:28:23 AM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 11:38:08 AM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.exactly :) - and it would be pretty easy and impressive to proof that he is satoshi. but of course he didnt make that LOL - it is more fun now! :D Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 11:38:22 AM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Mickeyb on August 16, 2015, 11:38:35 AM Well anyone can pretend to be Satoshi. Luckily, there are several ways for him to prove is it really him. Lets all wait to see is any message going to be signed. If this doesn't happen, we can all conclude that this is very fake. I don't think that real Satoshi would ever post something as important as this without a signed message or some other way for us to say this is 100% real.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 11:41:07 AM A lot of these "official" Satoshi posts and publicity propaganda are taken in bits and pieces and released at opportune times. Some parts are real, some are not. But it's obvious it's being manipulated now.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: balu2 on August 16, 2015, 01:11:10 PM http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html hoax? real? you decide Quote bitcoin-dev Bitcoin XT Fork Satoshi Nakamoto satoshi at vistomail.com Sat Aug 15 17:43:54 UTC 2015 Previous message: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A Next message: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus. However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork. The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth. When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement. Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto. Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it. By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour. They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be. However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions. For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network. Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism. If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold. Satoshi Nakamoto ... even if it's not Satoshi himself he's correct ... Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: ebliever on August 16, 2015, 01:32:53 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 01:40:24 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: achow101 on August 16, 2015, 01:45:11 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 01:46:58 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: ebliever on August 16, 2015, 01:52:07 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? Eastfist, it's pretty apparent that you don't have any grasp of the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi's anonymity even as he interacted with early adopters. No one has admitted to knowing Satoshi's real-world identity. Therefore no one can validate that someone is Satoshi except by Satoshi signing a message such as from the Genesis block's key or a similar source that is solidly linked to Satoshi. If you have a concrete suggestion on how else he can do it (not just ignorantly and vaguely suggesting other people must know somehow) please do share. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 01:55:45 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? Eastfist, it's pretty apparent that you don't have any grasp of the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi's anonymity even as he interacted with early adopters. No one has admitted to knowing Satoshi's real-world identity. Therefore no one can validate that someone is Satoshi except by Satoshi signing a message such as from the Genesis block's key or a similar source that is solidly linked to Satoshi. If you have a concrete suggestion on how else he can do it (not just ignorantly and vaguely suggesting other people must know somehow) please do share. LOL. Here we go again. Like I said, you don't seriously think this is how humans interact with each other do you? The early adopters may "voluntarily deny" knowing Satoshi, but they KNOW who he is. It's unbelievable how you think. I'm sensing this "verify Satoshi the boogeyman's ID" is coming more from Bitcoiners than anyone else. I don't think Satoshi owes any Bitcoiners anything. That's the whole point. That's why I say core devs and early adopters have more burder on their shoulders because they know Satoshi personally or met him personally. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: achow101 on August 16, 2015, 01:56:22 PM I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? That is a different situation than what is going on here. Sure the likelihood that that person is who they say they are is pretty high, but what about some really famous person who no one has ever seen before (no pictures, nothing) and have only been known online and suddenly one day a random person says that he is this person? Would you really trust that guy to be saying the truth? Or would you ask for more proof of his identity? That is what we are doing here. No one knows who satoshi is, what he looks like, or anything about him except that he is some guy on the internet who created this cool thing called Bitcoin. Without any other information about Satoshi, no one can really vouch for him and we can't know that this person is him without some kind of proof since anyone can say "I am Satoshi".Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 01:58:48 PM I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? That is a different situation than what is going on here. Sure the likelihood that that person is who they say they are is pretty high, but what about some really famous person who no one has ever seen before (no pictures, nothing) and have only been known online and suddenly one day a random person says that he is this person? Would you really trust that guy to be saying the truth? Or would you ask for more proof of his identity? That is what we are doing here. No one knows who satoshi is, what he looks like, or anything about him except that he is some guy on the internet who created this cool thing called Bitcoin. Without any other information about Satoshi, no one can really vouch for him and we can't know that this person is him without some kind of proof since anyone can say "I am Satoshi".Again. Have some faith in the HUMAN element. So if you asked the core devs and early adopters, even if they deny it, are you seriously saying they can't voucher who Satoshi Nakamoto really is? Seriously? You put your faith into an artificial lock and key to tell you the truth? That would mean you don't trust any of them. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on August 16, 2015, 01:59:33 PM Oh lol that's funny. Someone is extremely scared of XT winning and they are resorting to cheap tactics, such as impersonating satoshi. Pretty sad to see.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 02:00:47 PM Oh lol that's funny. Someone is extremely scared of XT winning and they are resorting to cheap tactics, such as impersonating satoshi. Pretty sad to see. Exactly. Or rather, manipulating the communique with Satoshi. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: acquafredda on August 16, 2015, 02:02:28 PM I can not believe someone thinks in terms of religion around here.
Human nature can be the stupidest thing on this Earth. Really unbelievable. Lost Satoshi this thing is falling apart... Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 02:52:31 PM Oh lol that's funny. Someone is extremely scared of XT winning and they are resorting to cheap tactics, such as impersonating satoshi. Pretty sad to see. and of course no proof that it is Satoshi - because now it is more fun ;D HOAX! Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BrianM on August 16, 2015, 02:53:56 PM I think it is real. The great satoshi as spoken. It would be really nice if the would sign the message so that whole bitcoin XT talk could rest in peace once in for all.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BitcoinAddicts on August 16, 2015, 03:03:20 PM I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project"
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BrianM on August 16, 2015, 03:07:35 PM I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project" That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 03:12:04 PM I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project" That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way. so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision :D more than most likely :P Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: ronald98 on August 16, 2015, 03:17:10 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? Eastfist, it's pretty apparent that you don't have any grasp of the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi's anonymity even as he interacted with early adopters. No one has admitted to knowing Satoshi's real-world identity. Therefore no one can validate that someone is Satoshi except by Satoshi signing a message such as from the Genesis block's key or a similar source that is solidly linked to Satoshi. If you have a concrete suggestion on how else he can do it (not just ignorantly and vaguely suggesting other people must know somehow) please do share. LOL. Here we go again. Like I said, you don't seriously think this is how humans interact with each other do you? The early adopters may "voluntarily deny" knowing Satoshi, but they KNOW who he is. It's unbelievable how you think. I'm sensing this "verify Satoshi the boogeyman's ID" is coming more from Bitcoiners than anyone else. I don't think Satoshi owes any Bitcoiners anything. That's the whole point. That's why I say core devs and early adopters have more burder on their shoulders because they know Satoshi personally or met him personally. Satoshi used an email account from anonymousspeech.com which lets you pay by cash in the mail to preserve your anonymity. He set up this forum using the same payment system of cash in the mail and only accessed it through Tor. Why would he go to all that trouble to preserve his anonymity and then reveal his identity to some early adopters? I don't believe any early adopters knew his real identity. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BrianM on August 16, 2015, 03:20:58 PM I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project" That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way. so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision :D more than most likely :P Cant make up my mind. Only really care about playing some games and drink some booze. What do you think? I have followed you here in the forum for a while. I think you have some good points. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 03:23:55 PM Satoshi didn't sign his messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts Even if he didn't he should know that everyone here will want him to sign a message. He has a PGP key and several Bitcoin addresses that are known to be owned by him. Just by reading any of the "I am Satoshi" threads around and the posts in this thread and other threads as well as replies to the mailing list, Satoshi should know that in order to be taken seriously as Satoshi, he must sign something saying that that was him.LOL. I bolded the part that doesn't make any sense. Is it so hard to accept someone's identity who they say they are without putting some kind of artificial control over it? This isn't a game. The burden is going to be on those early adopters, core devs, Gavin Andresen, etc., to personally verify Satoshi's identity. Otherwise, it's all smokescreens and coups and cover-ups. It's kinda embarrassing. Eastfist, when you say that the burden is going to be on so-and-so to verify Satoshi's identity, it is precisely by demanding a signed message from Satoshi that such an identification would be achieved. I can't think of any more solid way to do it, and EVERYONE who has a grasp of digital signatures will be forced to accept it, or that Satoshi has lost control of his private keys (which so long as he lives is pretty darn unlikely.) We are all expecting a signed message from any valid communication from Satoshi. And he _must_ know this. So don't be surprised when we are completely dismissive of any claimed communication from Satoshi that lacks the signature. It's a fake. I would take it as a highly personal insult if the people who supposedly help create this technical "tour de force" couldn't voucher for my existence, who support who I said I was. Does that make sense? I'm using logic here. This isn't a game. It only takes some honest witnesses. I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? Eastfist, it's pretty apparent that you don't have any grasp of the origins of bitcoin and Satoshi's anonymity even as he interacted with early adopters. No one has admitted to knowing Satoshi's real-world identity. Therefore no one can validate that someone is Satoshi except by Satoshi signing a message such as from the Genesis block's key or a similar source that is solidly linked to Satoshi. If you have a concrete suggestion on how else he can do it (not just ignorantly and vaguely suggesting other people must know somehow) please do share. LOL. Here we go again. Like I said, you don't seriously think this is how humans interact with each other do you? The early adopters may "voluntarily deny" knowing Satoshi, but they KNOW who he is. It's unbelievable how you think. I'm sensing this "verify Satoshi the boogeyman's ID" is coming more from Bitcoiners than anyone else. I don't think Satoshi owes any Bitcoiners anything. That's the whole point. That's why I say core devs and early adopters have more burder on their shoulders because they know Satoshi personally or met him personally. Satoshi used an email account from anonymousspeech.com which lets you pay by cash in the mail to preserve your anonymity. He set up this forum using the same payment system of cash in the mail and only accessed it through Tor. Why would he go to all that trouble to preserve his anonymity and then reveal his identity to some early adopters? I don't believe any early adopters knew his real identity. Cover-up (COUGH) cover-up. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: btccashacc on August 16, 2015, 03:25:58 PM what if he really satoshi? what will happen with bitcoin? Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 03:36:26 PM I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project" That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way. so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision :D more than most likely :P Cant make up my mind. Only really care about playing some games and drink some booze. What do you think? I have followed you here in the forum for a while. I think you have some good points. thanks broh. i just try to follow satoshis vision of bitcoin (and not blockstreams vision). i would love to see BIP 101 with bitcoin core but 3-4 devs want to harm bitcoin :-\ . but i guess this message was not from satoshi. satoshi would add a proof. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BrianM on August 16, 2015, 03:42:58 PM I think it is hoax. Satoshi would not write "I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project" That is a good point. It is most likely a hoax. But I am hopeing that it is real both to kill the bitcoin XT but also have the great Satoshi back in our community to show us the way. so what do you think now? real or hoax? make a decision :D more than most likely :P Cant make up my mind. Only really care about playing some games and drink some booze. What do you think? I have followed you here in the forum for a while. I think you have some good points. thanks broh. i just try to follow satoshis vision of bitcoin (and not blockstreams vision). i would love to see BIP 101 with bitcoin core but 3-4 devs want to harm bitcoin :-\ . but i guess this message was not from satoshi. satoshi would add a proof. you are welcome bro (I ment it seriously). I am also following the core, don't want to take part of that altcoin-name-jacking. If satoshied signed the message with they key for the genesis block then would it be a pretty god damn solid stament that would send shock waves through the community. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 16, 2015, 03:45:48 PM yeah, that would be good. :) maybe satoshi could choose.
iam okay with BIP 100 / BIP 101 or Bitcoin XT. But bitcoin must scale. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Seccour on August 16, 2015, 03:51:37 PM what if he really satoshi? what will happen with bitcoin? Nothing. He's just a user like everyone else ( But a user with a LOT of BTC ha ha ). It's not because that Satoshi say something that we have to follow him ^^ Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: dothebeats on August 16, 2015, 03:55:17 PM A PGP-Signed message is a way to prove that Satoshi is Satoshi, but however, I didn't see any message that Satoshi signed with a PGP key on it. Maybe those within his "inner circles" could confirm this one?
https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html what if he really satoshi? what will happen with bitcoin? Nothing. He's just a user like everyone else ( But a user with a LOT of BTC ha ha ). It's not because that Satoshi say something that we have to follow him ^^ He's the founder of bitcoin but that doesn't mean that we should follow what he says (authoritarian control lol). Again, it is up for the economy to decide on which is which. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: crazyearner on August 16, 2015, 04:04:49 PM Weather or not it is or it is not Satoshi the person sending does have some valid points on the nature of what BTC was and is meant for. If it was Satoshi and is following what is going on, maybe Satoshi should come back and reinvent Bitcoin and make it how he wanted to see it in the future and make continued updates or even to release a new coin under satoshis control and his only. am sure he can do it as he started out with Bitcoin. If it is Real and not a Hoax then Satoshi stand up for what you have made and show the current developers how it is meant to be done. If it is a Hoax then game on at finding the real satoshi and getting his comments public.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BrianM on August 16, 2015, 04:05:07 PM what if he really satoshi? what will happen with bitcoin? Nothing. He's just a user like everyone else ( But a user with a LOT of BTC ha ha ). It's not because that Satoshi say something that we have to follow him ^^ I would following him. For a simple guy like me it is hard figure out what is FUD and what is truth here. I would trust Satoshis word and follow his lead. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: favdesu on August 16, 2015, 04:06:56 PM he/she didn't sign their message through PGP. I doubt this mail is real or of any value.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Eastfist on August 16, 2015, 04:07:53 PM Weather or not it is or it is not Satoshi the person sending does have some valid points on the nature of what BTC was and is meant for. If it was Satoshi and is following what is going on, maybe Satoshi should come back and reinvent Bitcoin and make it how he wanted to see it in the future and make continued updates or even to release a new coin under satoshis control and his only. am sure he can do it as he started out with Bitcoin. If it is Real and not a Hoax then Satoshi stand up for what you have made and show the current developers how it is meant to be done. If it is a Hoax then game on at finding the real satoshi and getting his comments public. Too dangerous. Just use what already exists, but be extra careful. If it works, good. If it doesn't, oh well. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: crazyearner on August 16, 2015, 04:29:39 PM Weather or not it is or it is not Satoshi the person sending does have some valid points on the nature of what BTC was and is meant for. If it was Satoshi and is following what is going on, maybe Satoshi should come back and reinvent Bitcoin and make it how he wanted to see it in the future and make continued updates or even to release a new coin under satoshis control and his only. am sure he can do it as he started out with Bitcoin. If it is Real and not a Hoax then Satoshi stand up for what you have made and show the current developers how it is meant to be done. If it is a Hoax then game on at finding the real satoshi and getting his comments public. Too dangerous. Just use what already exists, but be extra careful. If it works, good. If it doesn't, oh well. Well if it does not work then that will indeed cause people to stop using and look elsewhere. Tao much work has been done on BTC for it to fail. It just needs the right things doing to it to make it grow and continue to be used world wide and for it to go mainstream. All that needs to happen with BTC is for it to be re done from the ground upwards or taking a hit an sections that need most work on and then updating and release made. With the current updates and new block sizes is good in some ways but not in others. No doubt only time will tell on this matter and if current problems get addressed and fixed and can get past the bumpy times like now. I doubt it is too dangerous for satoshi to return even making a return anonymously, working and submitting stuff from different locations would be a starting point. If it really was Satoshi thinking more on the subject, would he if he really cares about Bitcoin that much would actually send some code to be checked out and maybe worked on it and Satoshi says here is a review of what is current and how can be improved. If I had the knowledge to wright code and improve Bitcoin I would. I would take some of my own ideas that I have submitted a number of times but never seem to get listened to would improve bitcoin as a whole. Far more needs to be done than just what is current and many other coins adopt these ideas to making much more secure and feature rich. If Bitcoin and the current development team can not see and think outside the box, then it will collapse as many are currently suggesting, that it could well happen in the future. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Slark on August 16, 2015, 04:41:58 PM he/she didn't sign their message through PGP. I doubt this mail is real or of any value. It can't be proven, whether it is real or not. That does not change the fact that this message carries truth. Bitcoin is changing and from being totally free from centralized steering it becomes influenced by leaders.What do we do about this? Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: redsn0w on August 16, 2015, 04:48:28 PM I don't trust 'him' without a properly signed message from one of his various bitcoin address or his PGP key.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: crazyearner on August 16, 2015, 04:50:35 PM he/she didn't sign their message through PGP. I doubt this mail is real or of any value. It can be proven, whether it is real or not. That does not change the fact that this message carries truth. Bitcoin is changing and from being totally free from centralized steering it becomes influenced by leaders.What do we do about this? Well if it does come to being centralized then this is game over. People will eventually stop using it, move to something else, or use but not as they use to use. I know if it becomes centralized and controlled by leaders and no ones options count towards it other than the leaders, then I and no doubt many will stop using it. It is like the governments trying to control it with central control over it, one saying one thing, another saying another and must do this yet another area says totally different on how they view what bitcoin is. the only thing people can do is show their views on it and stop using until it is sorted out or to never use again. Simple as. Too many problems are current and indeed leaders are not listening to much at all. They are all thinking in the box and not outside it. Once they see this then much will change for the better. Right now 100% agreed with you that it is becoming a total mess and indeed steering more towards being controlled by leaders and this is not what it is about. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: chek2fire on August 16, 2015, 10:10:30 PM And this hacker use this email only to debate with developers for the block size of bitcoin :P ??? come on guys this has no logic... I think all this years satoshi was never leave this community and he is still here with his alt account.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Ruzka on August 16, 2015, 10:18:58 PM what if he really satoshi? what will happen with bitcoin? You don't need to worry about that being satoshi as stated a few times already. He would have signed message from an old address or pgp and from what I've read his writing was different to the fakster. Nobody knows what will happen to bitcoin, isin't it exciting? OP it was obviously a bad hoax. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: redsn0w on August 16, 2015, 10:19:10 PM And this hacker use this email only to debate with developers for the block size of bitcoin :P ??? come on guys this has no logic... I think all this years satoshi was never leave this community and he is still here with his alt account. A properly signed message , why not? It's simple... Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: BrianM on August 17, 2015, 12:04:27 AM And this hacker use this email only to debate with developers for the block size of bitcoin :P ??? come on guys this has no logic... I think all this years satoshi was never leave this community and he is still here with his alt account. I just got a Revelation. I think that Satoshi = Vod. It make perfect sense, Vod was the guardian of the community. Now is he cruising the 7 seas in this boat far away from internet and his private keys, since his job was done here. Resently did he went to port (perhaps somewhere near New Zealand) he got got online in a small coffee shop to check his mail and saw all the discussion about XT forwared to him and he quickly made this statement. This is why he could not sign anything, since he left the keys at home. Boom, puzzled solved 8) Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: chek2fire on August 17, 2015, 12:22:18 AM And this hacker use this email only to debate with developers for the block size of bitcoin :P ??? come on guys this has no logic... I think all this years satoshi was never leave this community and he is still here with his alt account. I just got a Revelation. I think that Satoshi = Vod. It make perfect sense, Vod was the guardian of the community. Now is he cruising the 7 seas in this boat far away from internet and his private keys, since his job was done here. Resently did he went to port (perhaps somewhere near New Zealand) he got got online in a small coffee shop to check his mail and saw all the discussion about XT forwared to him and he quickly made this statement. This is why he could not sign anything, since he left the keys at home. Boom, puzzled solved 8) this story is more logic that a hacker decide to take part in tech debate between devs :P Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: meono on August 17, 2015, 12:41:47 AM And this hacker use this email only to debate with developers for the block size of bitcoin :P ??? come on guys this has no logic... I think all this years satoshi was never leave this community and he is still here with his alt account. I just got a Revelation. I think that Satoshi = Vod. It make perfect sense, Vod was the guardian of the community. Now is he cruising the 7 seas in this boat far away from internet and his private keys, since his job was done here. Resently did he went to port (perhaps somewhere near New Zealand) he got got online in a small coffee shop to check his mail and saw all the discussion about XT forwared to him and he quickly made this statement. This is why he could not sign anything, since he left the keys at home. Boom, puzzled solved 8) this story is more logic Which fits your intellect nicely as well. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: harrymmmm on August 17, 2015, 12:42:54 AM I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? That is a different situation than what is going on here. Sure the likelihood that that person is who they say they are is pretty high, but what about some really famous person who no one has ever seen before (no pictures, nothing) and have only been known online and suddenly one day a random person says that he is this person? Would you really trust that guy to be saying the truth? Or would you ask for more proof of his identity? That is what we are doing here. No one knows who satoshi is, what he looks like, or anything about him except that he is some guy on the internet who created this cool thing called Bitcoin. Without any other information about Satoshi, no one can really vouch for him and we can't know that this person is him without some kind of proof since anyone can say "I am Satoshi".Again. Have some faith in the HUMAN element. Quote So if you asked the core devs and early adopters, even if they deny it, are you seriously saying they can't voucher who Satoshi Nakamoto really is? Seriously? Yes, I'd seriously say that. They had no need to investigate who he was.And if he did reveal his real id to one of them, i would not expect that person to betray that trust now anyway.The point here is that his code was good, his ideas were good. That's all that mattered. Quote You put your faith into an artificial lock and key to tell you the truth? That would mean you don't trust any of them. Faith in a lock and key rather than trust in a human i never met? Any day!Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: meono on August 17, 2015, 12:46:02 AM I don't think people are that incompetent, do you? Like if you met your former classmate at a high school reunion, what is the likelihood that person isn't who they say they are? That is a different situation than what is going on here. Sure the likelihood that that person is who they say they are is pretty high, but what about some really famous person who no one has ever seen before (no pictures, nothing) and have only been known online and suddenly one day a random person says that he is this person? Would you really trust that guy to be saying the truth? Or would you ask for more proof of his identity? That is what we are doing here. No one knows who satoshi is, what he looks like, or anything about him except that he is some guy on the internet who created this cool thing called Bitcoin. Without any other information about Satoshi, no one can really vouch for him and we can't know that this person is him without some kind of proof since anyone can say "I am Satoshi".Again. Have some faith in the HUMAN element. Quote So if you asked the core devs and early adopters, even if they deny it, are you seriously saying they can't voucher who Satoshi Nakamoto really is? Seriously? Yes, I'd seriously say that. They had no need to investigate who he was.And if he did reveal his real id to one of them, i would not expect that person to betray that trust now anyway.The point here is that his code was good, his ideas were good. That's all that mattered. Quote You put your faith into an artificial lock and key to tell you the truth? That would mean you don't trust any of them. Faith in a lock and key rather than trust in a human i never met? Any day!You, sir, were trolled perfectly... lol Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: harrymmmm on August 17, 2015, 12:52:48 AM yeah, that would be good. :) maybe satoshi could choose. iam okay with BIP 100 / BIP 101 or Bitcoin XT. But bitcoin must scale. Those have sudden starting increases that don't fly with the majority of the core devs. Would you be convinced as a compromise to remain with core if they implemented bip103 with an earlier start date (jan 2016 instead of 2017 for example)? That would mean an immediate 4% increase, 17% thru 2016, etc. It seems to me that such a compromise would be a lot better than a contentious fork, with the dev split, risks, ... Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: harrymmmm on August 17, 2015, 12:59:03 AM You, sir, were trolled perfectly... lol Haha, maybe. But never mind, I'm making a run for Sr member. Need the posts. :) Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: ausbit on August 17, 2015, 01:41:13 AM You, sir, were trolled perfectly... lol Haha, maybe. But never mind, I'm making a run for Sr member. Need the posts. :) Edit: Just looked at your profile (should have done that before posting i know) and seen that you must have a few alts that your trying to rank up. Good luck but apart from selling it i really dont see why people care so much about rank. Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Brad Harrison on August 17, 2015, 01:42:03 AM I wrote that.
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: achow101 on August 17, 2015, 01:49:52 AM I wrote that. Wrote what? The email? If so, can you prove it?Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: harrymmmm on August 17, 2015, 02:04:21 AM You, sir, were trolled perfectly... lol Haha, maybe. But never mind, I'm making a run for Sr member. Need the posts. :) Edit: Just looked at your profile (should have done that before posting i know) and seen that you must have a few alts that your trying to rank up. Good luck but apart from selling it i really dont see why people care so much about rank. Wut? Say it ain't so! Something different about senior member rank? I don't tend to read the forum management and rules kind of stuff, soit's likely i wouldn't know about something special happening at this next rank. edit: so you were completely wrong. I made it :) Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Scaccomatt0 on August 17, 2015, 06:00:06 PM what if he really satoshi? what will happen with bitcoin? Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 17, 2015, 06:11:23 PM http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html hoax? real? you decide Quote bitcoin-dev Bitcoin XT Fork Satoshi Nakamoto satoshi at vistomail.com Sat Aug 15 17:43:54 UTC 2015 Previous message: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A Next message: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus. However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork. The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth. When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement. Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto. Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it. By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour. They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be. However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions. For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network. Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism. If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold. Satoshi Nakamoto I noticed a couple commas missing and the spelling of "honour". Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: TransaDox on August 17, 2015, 06:26:05 PM I'm Satoshi and so's my wife ;D
Title: Re: Satoshi Speaks. Real? Hoax? Post by: canth on August 17, 2015, 06:49:51 PM http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010331.html (http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010331.html)
Quote Jonathan Wilkins j at blockstream.com Mon Aug 17 18:41:31 UTC 2015 Previous message: [bitcoin-dev] BIP [104]: Replace Transaction Fees with Data, Discussion Draft 0.2.9 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I'm sure that most people here were skeptical, but FWIW, the server that hosts vistomail.com is a mess, it's a Plesk box with more than a couple of services with dubious security histories. MailEnable smtpd, MSRPC, RDP, see for yourself: Most likely someone popped the box and is entertaining themselves. Nmap scan report for vistomail.com (190.97.163.93) Host is up (0.10s latency). Not shown: 65521 filtered ports PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 21/tcp open ftp Microsoft ftpd <snipped for brevity's sake> |
