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Alternate cryptocurrencies => Altcoin Discussion => Topic started by: misterbigg on August 16, 2015, 04:45:22 PM



Title: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: misterbigg on August 16, 2015, 04:45:22 PM
He's making a lot of sense.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: balu2 on August 16, 2015, 05:01:29 PM
Sure, on the days you don't shill ripple ...


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: achow101 on August 16, 2015, 05:03:04 PM
Where I can I find this blog post? I want to judge for myself.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: bitcoinstarter on August 16, 2015, 05:05:47 PM
Where I can I find this blog post? I want to judge for myself.

https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1?1


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on August 16, 2015, 05:08:55 PM
Mods need to create a section of the forum dedicated solely to XT. This is getting ridiculous now, there must be 20 threads a day regurgitating the same stuff. It's getting really, really boring now.
Theymos, Bad Bear what say you?


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: RustyNomad on August 16, 2015, 05:17:21 PM
I second that, give Xt its own threat so things can be moved there.

When one opens bitcointalk it looks like a forum for a debate about XT and block sizes as that is almost all you see on the main board.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Denker on August 16, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Mods need to create a section of the forum dedicated solely to XT. This is getting ridiculous now, there must be 20 threads a day regurgitating the same stuff. It's getting really, really boring now.
Theymos, Bad Bear what say you?

Theymos might be busy with the mess he and some of his mods are doing in bitcion subreddit.
People there are pissed off by getting deleted their messages. Situation is really boiling there.
And here it won't be different if he keeps going with that kind of attidue.

But I agree that it doesn't have to be 20 threads about the same topic.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: cryptothreads on August 16, 2015, 05:23:02 PM
Mods need to create a section of the forum dedicated solely to XT. This is getting ridiculous now, there must be 20 threads a day regurgitating the same stuff. It's getting really, really boring now.
Theymos, Bad Bear what say you?

Good idea. A Sub-forum would be a good idea.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Lauda on August 16, 2015, 05:27:07 PM
He's making a lot of sense.
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User polling shows about 75–80% support from people in online forums.
If posting wrong information means that one is making sense, then indeed he is. Funny how the majority does not see the psychological games that he is playing on the community. Hopefully we don't get to the point in time where Lauda tells you the following:"I told you so.".



Mods need to create a section of the forum dedicated solely to XT. This is getting ridiculous now, there must be 20 threads a day regurgitating the same stuff. It's getting really, really boring now.
Theymos, Bad Bear what say you?

Good idea. A Sub-forum would be a good idea.
The problem is that if you give special treatment to one altcoin (XT in this case), the other are going to want this as well. Instead they could also start punishing people for start threads on purpose in the wrong section (stuff for which there is already a thread or more).


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Carlton Banks on August 16, 2015, 05:33:18 PM
Put it in the Alternative Clients section, I understand the supporters are happiest with that classification already.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on August 16, 2015, 05:35:09 PM
Put it in the Alternative Clients section, I understand the supporters are happiest with that classification already.

Well said Carlton buddy. Uncle Phil would be proud of you.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Lauda on August 16, 2015, 05:46:28 PM
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If "relay the first observed double spend" were generally accepted as a bug with a clean fix available, it'd be fixed in Core; superficial searching says it got reverted as problematic and contentious (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4550) but I don't know the whole story, nor do I have an opinion on the change.
Code:
 two minor things 
One is for Hearn's Lighthouse project, and also got merged, found buggy, and reverted. (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4351) Without those eyeballs, would the lack of testing have been addressed and the bug in getutxos have been spotted before it was widely rolled out?
The other is adding back the bitnodes seed node that was removed for behaving in fishy ways (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5545), and adding a seed run by Mike
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Is XT basically going to be every patch Mike Hearn ever had refused by NACKs in Core? Where does that road take you as a user of XT?
It is much easier to manipulate the people around here than you think.



Full version can be found here. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h5heu/so_what_exactly_are_the_changes_in_bitcoinxt/)
Update:
I think both parties are making sense. The fact they want to keep BTC as intended by satoshi is a valid one. AND the fact the gmaxwell crew of 1mbers is questioning if it's scalable without a sort of a off the chain solution is also making sense. Common ground my friends.
Including buggy, unapproved patches also makes sense?  ::)


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: PolarPoint on August 16, 2015, 05:47:44 PM
This split between Core and XT is possibly the most pressing issue about the future of bitcoin. There should be lots of people talking about this in multiple threads, expressing different views. This is going to be discussed and talked about more for months. I do not think XT discussions should be brushed aside into a subforum because this is about bitcoin. I have not picked a side yet, I am interested in reading more about it from both sides.



Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: cellard on August 16, 2015, 05:51:53 PM
I think both parties are making sense. The fact they want to keep BTC as intended by satoshi is a valid one. AND the fact the gmaxwell crew of 1mbers is questioning if it's scalable without a sort of a off the chain solution is also making sense. Common ground my friends.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: meono on August 16, 2015, 06:13:56 PM
He's making a lot of sense.

Hey welcome back, its been a while


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Kprawn on August 16, 2015, 06:35:52 PM
Everyone should receive the opportunity to state their case on this subject... It's important enough to receive a spot in the sun, but it's starting to draw a shadow on the main topic

being discussed on this forum. Just start to delete duplicate threads on the same subject, if it becomes too much. I should say discussions on the clients should be moved to the

Development & Technical Discussion or the Alternative Clients sub-section. { https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0 }

On Reddit this kind of behavior border on Brigading.  >:( 


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: GenTarkin on August 16, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
Where I can I find this blog post? I want to judge for myself.

https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1?1

One interesting line from that post as Im reading it:
"Would people decide to migrate to a radically different system, if given a free choice?"

The answer is obviously NO, or very slowly. Hell this whole Bitcoin experiment has proven that alone.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: generalt on August 16, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Where I can I find this blog post? I want to judge for myself.

https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1?1

One interesting line from that post as Im reading it:
"Would people decide to migrate to a radically different system, if given a free choice?"

The answer is obviously NO, or very slowly. Hell this whole Bitcoin experiment has proven that alone.

I'm guessing most people are just too lazy to migrate.  I wonder if there's some kind of chart out there to see what version of bitcoin core most people are running.  I'm guessing a lot of people still aren't even on 0.11.0 yet even.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Mickeyb on August 16, 2015, 07:45:08 PM
Mods need to create a section of the forum dedicated solely to XT. This is getting ridiculous now, there must be 20 threads a day regurgitating the same stuff. It's getting really, really boring now.
Theymos, Bad Bear what say you?

Even though I do understand that Bitcoin discussion section is being filled with many XT and core threads, I also do think that this is the most important question at the moment for Bitcoin and all of its users. So are we on a Bitcoin forum ? I think we are, and I also think that such an important discussion and event that is taking place deserves as much place on this forum as it needs.

Cheers!


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: lordoliver on August 17, 2015, 06:18:34 PM
You guys will be guilty for destroying bitcoin...


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: Mountain Jew on August 17, 2015, 06:28:30 PM
He's making a lot of sense.

Nonsense.

Mods need to create a section of the forum dedicated solely to XT. This is getting ridiculous now, there must be 20 threads a day regurgitating the same stuff. It's getting really, really boring now.
Theymos, Bad Bear what say you?

Good idea. A Sub-forum would be a good idea.

I think it's a little early for its own sub. Could die before it even gets off the ground and I think alt coin section is fine as is for now.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: misterbigg on August 17, 2015, 07:45:02 PM
He's making a lot of sense.

Nonsense.

I was against increasing the block size for a while but I find Hearn's arguments convincing. But let me qualify that by stating that this is under the assumption that the facts he presented are correct - I haven't really dug into it because I've been out of bitcoin for a while now.


Title: Re: Just read Mike Hearn's blog post about Bitcoin XT
Post by: SBOSS on August 17, 2015, 08:15:37 PM
Bank transfers can take as long as 5 to 8 business days.  Bitcoin is still infinitely faster than the orthodox banking institution.  

 It is wrong to compare Bitcoin with something like Credit Cards, as that is technically payment processing.  It's up to BitPay and future Bitcoin payment processing to figure out a mechanism to rival or exceed the utility of the credit card.

The BitcoinFX, although it has support from prominent persons, may in fact be "Lipstick on a Pig".  Don't try to turn the pig into a goat.  Keep Bitcoin as it is.