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Title: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: godlyitems on August 17, 2015, 06:18:49 AM
Well, yeah. What we're looking at is just another full face plant (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/08/15/3691997/planned-parenthood-investigations-fall-flat/)  for the faux outrage generated by and for the ignorant and unwashed in their continual war on women:

Following the release of several inflammatory videos that suggest Planned Parenthood is improperly profiting from the sale of “aborted baby parts,” GOP lawmakers have been quick to condemn the national women’s health organization. However, their current strategies to attack Planned Parenthood are falling short.

Planned Parenthood officials say they’re simply helping their patients donate fetal tissue samples, which can help scientists develop new treatments for serious diseases. Anti-abortion activists, meanwhile, say the misleading videos released by the right-wing group Center for Medical Progress prove the organization is acting immorally.

In response, several state officials have launched investigations into their local Planned Parenthood affiliates, looking for proof that the group is breaking the law.

But so far, they’ve come up completely empty.

Officials in states including Georgia, Indiana, Massachusetts, and South Dakota have not been able to turn up any evidence that Planned Parenthood clinics are violating state laws and regulations regarding the collection of fetal tissue donations. Records obtained from other states, like Kansas, reveal that some Planned Parenthood clinics don’t even give their patients the option to donate this tissue.


Georgia was quick to jump all over this (we have serious Republicans in charge) and found this:

Planned Parenthood Southeast and four other abortion providers in Georgia are following state law on proper disposal of fetal tissues after abortions, a review by the state found.

In a letter released Wednesday, Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, commissioner of the Department of Public Health, told Gov. Nathan Deal, “I have concluded that each (clinic) has proper procedures in place for burial or interment of remains and that all such facilities are currently following that portion of the law.” (AJC, Thursday, 8/13)

Yep, just another snipe hunt with public funds chasing another figment of imagination that run loose in the fantasy bubble that passes for right wing beliefs (which they all know are true). Sad. Really, really sad.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 06:19:48 AM
If the facilities inspected don't collect fetal tissue, I wouldn't expect investigators to find any wrong doing regarding collection and sale of fetal tissue. Now, if you're a critical thinker, you may question what information this biased source is leaving out. I have to do it when I read Breitbart or WND. You should do it when you read Think Progress. It makes us all better thinkers and decision makers.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: Nora12322 on August 17, 2015, 06:20:43 AM
Oh look I was right lmao!


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 06:22:47 AM
Massachusetts cleared…because they don't do it! lol From your source!

“Although donation of fetal tissue is permissible under state and federal law, [the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts (PPLM)] does not have a tissue donation program,” Healey said in a statement. “There is no evidence that PPLM is involved in any way in the buying or selling of tissue. As such, our review is complete.”


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 06:23:08 AM
Your source:

“The investigation has concluded there was no evidence of this type of activity at these sites,” the Indiana State Department of Health said in a statement, reported the Indianapolis Star. Planned Parenthood of Indiana and Kentucky does not participate in fetal tissued donation programs.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
I wonder what states have PP facilities that actually do collect and donate fetal tissue, rather than properly dispose of it, as in the cases of the states "investigated" for violating fetal tissue donation laws. Could Missouri be one, where the governor refuses to investigate? Could Virginia be one, where the governor refuses to investigate.

This is propaganda hogwash, which any critical thinking person should be able to see through.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: jeckman on August 17, 2015, 06:24:57 AM
Lol.... it's like a mcdonalds getting cleared in Houston when the complaint was filed in Alabama....but logic seems to be lost on the extreme partisan.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 06:25:16 AM
Here's an idea. Investigate PP in the states where the videos were made.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: peterson33 on August 17, 2015, 06:27:13 AM
Here is a thought. Investigate the PP's in states that do donate tissue instead of this fake investigations.

Dear lord people are getting desperate.

Meanwhile no one wants to see to comment on

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-company-cuts-ties-videos-121371.html#ixzz3iousRnct (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-company-cuts-ties-videos-121371.html#ixzz3iousRnct)

Looks like a cut and run situation to me.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: Adamsux on August 17, 2015, 06:27:43 AM
This whole issue is like a Rorschach test… People continue to see what they want to see.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: arul.BP on August 17, 2015, 06:28:52 AM
Well, yeah. What we're looking at is just another full face plant (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/08/15/3691997/planned-parenthood-investigations-fall-flat/)  for the faux outrage generated by and for the ignorant and unwashed in their continual war on women:

Total fail. Total. Half of the aborted fetuses would have grown up to become women until liberals killed them.

Care to try again?


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: rio3232 on August 17, 2015, 06:29:45 AM
This whole issue is like a Rorschach test… People continue to see what they want to see.
Yeah, like the OP.

Fortunately with good forum features, I don't have to see that dribble any more.

I'm pro choice, but at least I have the IQ to see what they're doing. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody wants to read this crap:

What we're looking at is just another full face plant for the faux outrage generated by and for the ignorant and unwashed in their continual war on women:

The true ignorant and unwashed are those who find joking about slinging and crunching baby parts is cute and hilarious!


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: Lethn on August 17, 2015, 06:31:55 AM
This is what's happening in politics a lot now, facts be damned so long as people can make themselves feel good and score cheap political or social points amongst their peers they don't give a fuck if what they write is totally stupid.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: peterson33 on August 17, 2015, 12:56:34 PM
Well, yeah. What we're looking at is just another full face plant (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/08/15/3691997/planned-parenthood-investigations-fall-flat/)  for the faux outrage generated by and for the ignorant and unwashed in their continual war on women:

Following the release of several inflammatory videos that suggest Planned Parenthood is improperly profiting from the sale of “aborted baby parts,” GOP lawmakers have been quick to condemn the national women’s health organization. However, their current strategies to attack Planned Parenthood are falling short.

Planned Parenthood officials say they’re simply helping their patients donate fetal tissue samples, which can help scientists develop new treatments for serious diseases. Anti-abortion activists, meanwhile, say the misleading videos released by the right-wing group Center for Medical Progress prove the organization is acting immorally.

In response, several state officials have launched investigations into their local Planned Parenthood affiliates, looking for proof that the group is breaking the law.

But so far, they’ve come up completely empty.

Officials in states including Georgia, Indiana, Massachusetts, and South Dakota have not been able to turn up any evidence that Planned Parenthood clinics are violating state laws and regulations regarding the collection of fetal tissue donations. Records obtained from other states, like Kansas, reveal that some Planned Parenthood clinics don’t even give their patients the option to donate this tissue.


Georgia was quick to jump all over this (we have serious Republicans in charge) and found this:

Planned Parenthood Southeast and four other abortion providers in Georgia are following state law on proper disposal of fetal tissues after abortions, a review by the state found.

In a letter released Wednesday, Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, commissioner of the Department of Public Health, told Gov. Nathan Deal, “I have concluded that each (clinic) has proper procedures in place for burial or interment of remains and that all such facilities are currently following that portion of the law.” (AJC, Thursday, 8/13)

Yep, just another snipe hunt with public funds chasing another figment of imagination that run loose in the fantasy bubble that passes for right wing beliefs (which they all know are true). Sad. Really, really sad.


Yes they aren't engaged in the wrong doing in Georgia, they are elsewhere as was captured in the videos.

BTW StemExpress has cut ties with them because of the wrong doing.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: rio3232 on August 17, 2015, 12:57:57 PM
Here's an idea. Investigate PP in the states where the videos were made.

lol. Leave it to nitwit liberals to know a crime is committed in, oh, say Oregon, but take the investigation to Delaware.

Sounds about par for the course.

Every day, especially lately, I'm more proud and thankful I'm not one of them.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: redandblack on August 17, 2015, 12:59:47 PM
If the facilities inspected don't collect fetal tissue, I wouldn't expect investigators to find any wrong doing regarding collection and sale of fetal tissue. Now, if you're a critical thinker, you may question what information this biased source is leaving out. I have to do it when I read Breitbart or WND. You should do it when you read Think Progress. It makes us all better thinkers and decision makers.

Sounds a very bad scheme to make money if they don't even all donate tissue

lol. Leave it to nitwit liberals to know a crime is committed in, oh, say Oregon, but take the investigation to Delaware.

Sounds about par for the course.

Every day, especially lately, I'm more proud and thankful I'm not one of them.

So what's with the nitwits trying to defund the entire organization then???


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: Harriss on August 17, 2015, 01:00:27 PM
Well, yeah. What we're looking at is just another full face plant (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/08/15/3691997/planned-parenthood-investigations-fall-flat/)  for the faux outrage generated by and for the ignorant and unwashed in their continual war on women:

Following the release of several inflammatory videos that suggest Planned Parenthood is improperly profiting from the sale of “aborted baby parts,” GOP lawmakers have been quick to condemn the national women’s health organization. However, their current strategies to attack Planned Parenthood are falling short.

Planned Parenthood officials say they’re simply helping their patients donate fetal tissue samples, which can help scientists develop new treatments for serious diseases. Anti-abortion activists, meanwhile, say the misleading videos released by the right-wing group Center for Medical Progress prove the organization is acting immorally.

In response, several state officials have launched investigations into their local Planned Parenthood affiliates, looking for proof that the group is breaking the law.

But so far, they’ve come up completely empty.

Officials in states including Georgia, Indiana, Massachusetts, and South Dakota have not been able to turn up any evidence that Planned Parenthood clinics are violating state laws and regulations regarding the collection of fetal tissue donations. Records obtained from other states, like Kansas, reveal that some Planned Parenthood clinics don’t even give their patients the option to donate this tissue.


Georgia was quick to jump all over this (we have serious Republicans in charge) and found this:

Planned Parenthood Southeast and four other abortion providers in Georgia are following state law on proper disposal of fetal tissues after abortions, a review by the state found.

In a letter released Wednesday, Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, commissioner of the Department of Public Health, told Gov. Nathan Deal, “I have concluded that each (clinic) has proper procedures in place for burial or interment of remains and that all such facilities are currently following that portion of the law.” (AJC, Thursday, 8/13)

Yep, just another snipe hunt with public funds chasing another figment of imagination that run loose in the fantasy bubble that passes for right wing beliefs (which they all know are true). Sad. Really, really sad.


Oh look! They "cleared" the sites not doing fetal tissue profiteering, so let's forget the ones that are. SLB= Standard Leftist Bull


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: rio3232 on August 17, 2015, 01:01:32 PM
Oh look! They "cleared" the sites not doing fetal tissue profiteering, so let's forget the ones that are. SLB= Standard Leftist Bull
Only a complete nitwit could think what doesn't happen in Georgia matters to what does happen in Colorado.

Damn! It must really suck. Kinda reminds me of that old "this is your brain" egg thing. Truly scrambled.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: godlyitems on August 17, 2015, 01:03:15 PM
Yes they aren't engaged in the wrong doing in Georgia, they are elsewhere as was captured in the videos.BTW StemExpress has cut ties with them because of the wrong doing.

I'll make a few points, after reading the responses:

State Republicans in Georgia were panicked into conducting an investigation (wasting public funds) by the false allegations that PP was doing something illegal. They weren't and there has been no proof that they did. Anywhere. StemExpress, finding themselves in the crosshairs of the crazies (no proof, but they don't need proof to go nuts), decided to stand down their business dealings with PP, though when this whole uproar is proven to be nothing but the usual right wing lie, they could be back.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 01:04:33 PM
I'll make a few points, after reading the responses:

State Republicans in Georgia were panicked into conducting an investigation (wasting public funds) by the false allegations that PP was doing something illegal. They weren't and there has been no proof that they did. Anywhere. StemExpress, finding themselves in the crosshairs of the crazies (no proof, but they don't need proof to go nuts), decided to stand down their business dealings with PP, though when this whole uproar is proven to be nothing but the usual right wing lie, they could be back.
Georgia facilities don't collect and donate fetal tissue. They dispose of it according to the law. Congratulations, Georgia PP for properly disposing of fetal tissue. Now can we get to the facilities where fetal tissue is collected and donated?

The thread fell totally flat on its own merit. Another one from your source:

Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, commissioner of the Georgia Department Public Health, reported Wednesday to Gov. Nathan Deal (R) that the agency had concluded an investigation into Planned Parenthood Southeast and four other abortion providers in the state.

The investigation, which Deal ordered last month, found that all of the clinics had properly disposed of fetal tissue resulting from abortions.

“As you know, Georgia law requires that licensed abortion clinics (or a medical disposal service provider with whom they have contracted) to bury or cremate fetal remains following the termination of a pregnancy,” Fitzgerald said in a letter to Deal, reported the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Fitzgerald wrote that the investigation concluded that Planned Parenthood and other clinics had complied with the law.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: rio3232 on August 17, 2015, 01:05:08 PM
Hilarious.

Cops do drug bust in Colorado. Meanwhile, cops in Georgia don't.

Quick......somebody.........st art a new thread!


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: Congtyn on August 17, 2015, 01:06:12 PM
This whole issue is like a Rorschach test… People continue to see what they want to see.
Not really. When confronted with a pie plate of baby parts, what do YOU want to see?

The legality isn't the point. The complete rejection of humanity IS.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: arul.BP on August 17, 2015, 01:06:56 PM
Let's try to explain how the thread logic here doesn't work using a different example:

Cops in Ferguson are charged with racist behavior. Governor in Idaho calls for investigation into Idahos police departments, finds no misconduct. Therefore, investigations into the police are falling totally flat.

The only thing we don't need an explanation about is why the board liberals are furiously defending this issue. Because someone from on high gave them their talking points and they accepted without doing any real critical thinking about it. Also if someone criticizes their sacred cow abortion, then Bush's Fault or something.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: abasin on August 17, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
If the facilities inspected don't collect fetal tissue, I wouldn't expect investigators to find any wrong doing regarding collection and sale of fetal tissue. Now, if you're a critical thinker, you may question what information this biased source is leaving out. I have to do it when I read Breitbart or WND. You should do it when you read Think Progress. It makes us all better thinkers and decision makers.

Apparently you are not, or you would have found the information that is being left out.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: abasin on August 17, 2015, 01:08:36 PM
If the facilities inspected don't collect fetal tissue, I wouldn't expect investigators to find any wrong doing regarding collection and sale of fetal tissue. Now, if you're a critical thinker, you may question what information this biased source is leaving out. I have to do it when I read Breitbart or WND. You should do it when you read Think Progress. It makes us all better thinkers and decision makers.

And? You still aren't saying anything that PP is guilty of.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: abasin on August 17, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
I wonder what states have PP facilities that actually do collect and donate fetal tissue, rather than properly dispose of it, as in the cases of the states "investigated" for violating fetal tissue donation laws. Could Missouri be one, where the governor refuses to investigate? Could Virginia be one, where the governor refuses to investigate.

This is propaganda hogwash, which any critical thinking person should be able to see through.

How is it propaganda hogwash when no wrong doing has been found?


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: abasin on August 17, 2015, 01:09:53 PM
Total fail. Total. Half of the aborted fetuses would have grown up to become women until liberals killed them.

Care to try again?
If they killed them, then you must be the first to discover when life begins then?


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: abasin on August 17, 2015, 01:11:31 PM
lol. Leave it to nitwit liberals to know a crime is committed in, oh, say Oregon, but take the investigation to Delaware.

What crime has been committed?


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: KriszDev on August 17, 2015, 01:12:10 PM
How is it propaganda hogwash when no wrong doing has been found?
They haven't investigated any of the facilities where fetal tissue is collecting and donated, only where it is disposed of. We don't know if they've broken the law yet. I used the OP's own source to ruin this thread.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: bleddy on August 17, 2015, 01:13:03 PM
Not really. When confronted with a pie plate of baby parts, what do YOU want to see?

The legality isn't the point. The complete rejection of humanity IS.
It's also been legal for more than 20 years


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: ezly on August 17, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
These facts mean nothing to bible thumping cons who long for the days when women just shut up and did what they were told. Cons are so desperate for scandals because even they know they are circling the drain.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on August 17, 2015, 01:17:44 PM
Wow, the ignorant are in full force today.

You guys should actually watch the videos before reading the new articles so you can be informed next time.


Title: Re: Investigations Into Planned Parenthood Are Falling Totally Flat
Post by: Spendulus on August 17, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
lol. Leave it to nitwit liberals to know a crime is committed in, oh, say Oregon, but take the investigation to Delaware.

What crime has been committed?
Why don't you start by acknowledging the priority of State Law in these matters, and then acknowledge the irrelevance of states where "the problem" was not claimed to be found?

Otherwise, you are creating a straw man argument by misrepresenting the original claims made.  Essentially that's lying.  Well or repeating the lies of the "news source" of the OP.

I mean, can't we do better than this?