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Title: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: abeaulieu on October 05, 2012, 01:02:53 AM
Is it just me or is this address (mtLDA41NWe9rLm7nuMvAnTs2SbP49cz1ZR) producing block very quickly on the test net. I'm not 100% with these calculations, but I'm sure someone will correct me soon enough :)  (please do)

According to: https://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q/hashestowin
it takes an average of 866076851417 hashes to win

According to: https://blockexplorer.com/testnet/address/mtLDA41NWe9rLm7nuMvAnTs2SbP49cz1ZR
this address is producing a block about every 10 minutes (this is complete estimation, by all means run the timestamps for me if you desire).

(866076851417 hashes/block) / [(10 minutes/block)*(60 seconds/minute)] = 1443461419.03 hashes/second

= 1.443 THash/s


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Korbman on October 05, 2012, 02:34:20 AM
Is it just me or is this address (mtLDA41NWe9rLm7nuMvAnTs2SbP49cz1ZR) producing block very quickly on the test net. I'm not 100% with these calculations, but I'm sure someone will correct me soon enough :)  (please do)

According to: https://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q/hashestowin
it takes an average of 866076851417 hashes to win

According to: https://blockexplorer.com/testnet/address/mtLDA41NWe9rLm7nuMvAnTs2SbP49cz1ZR
this address is producing a block about every 10 minutes (this is complete estimation, by all means run the timestamps for me if you desire).

(866076851417 hashes/block) / [(10 minutes/block)*(60 seconds/minute)] = 1443461419.03 hashes/second

= 1.443 THash/s

Makes sense to me. They could be finishing up the testing on the Mini Rigs...if you have a Rig working, chances are all the other products work as well (since it's just a heap of all the other products in one big case). Hopefully in the next few weeks we'll have some definitive evidence.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Starlightbreaker on October 05, 2012, 03:46:21 AM
thought they said they're not gonna do testing on main net?


eh, who woulda thunk.


never mind i'm an idiot.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: cedivad on October 05, 2012, 05:28:36 AM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: abeaulieu on October 05, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.

I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Desolator on October 05, 2012, 02:04:00 PM
Well obviously they're going to turn them on at some point and try realistic tests.  Everyone's all like "The testnet will get damaged by a giant spike in speed."  Whatever, it's a freaking test net lol.  They're the ones that should be using it!

The only question is who has them in their hands?  There's only 2 companies that would based on the evidence and one's BFL.  Given each of their release dates, you just compare it to the development of every phone, gaming console, computer part, ETC.  If they're shipping in November, they have some in their hands now.  That's practically a law of physics when it comes to new product development.  It takes XX amount of days to test, box, label, and ship stuff so they do have some functional units in their hands at the moment but just barely.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: apetersson on October 05, 2012, 02:12:16 PM
testnet is resilient against spikes up in hashrate - unlike mainnet it allows lower-difficulty blocks to be found after 10 minutes


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Gyrsur on October 05, 2012, 02:43:30 PM
testnet is resilient against spikes up in hashrate - unlike mainnet it allows lower-difficulty blocks to be found after 10 minutes

and why? why is this possible on testnet? --> Difficulty is 1 (Block 32626 (https://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/000000000cfea1da648ce013f3ef1eb56f8ab2cdcc797067e3371946d043b194))

https://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q/hashestowin

4295032833 / 600 = 7158388.055

7,158,388.055 Hash/s = 7.16 MH/s


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Desolator on October 05, 2012, 02:49:34 PM
I kinda get that now that I think about it.  It's like you mine yourself into a crazy difficulty with like 1+ TH/s and then ditch it.  Now the only way to lower the difficulty is to mine XX amount of more blocks, which would take 100 years for someone just testing out a GPU or something.  So after 10 minutes he says, it resets the difficulty to much lower so other people can actually use it.  Tada.  I dunno what BFL was so worried about.  Mostly just sounds like BS they made up and as a quick excuse and they're gonna test mine on the main network primarily :P


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: dust on October 05, 2012, 04:41:31 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.

I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?
It is real hash power, but it could be fabricated by using a large gpu/fpga farm or services such as GPUMAX.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: crazyates on October 05, 2012, 04:43:06 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.
I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?
It is real hash power, but it could be fabricated by using a large gpu/fpga farm or services such as GPUMAX.
Why would someone pay to redirect GPUMAX to a testnet where they'll get no return?


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: cedivad on October 05, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.
I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?
It is real hash power, but it could be fabricated by using a large gpu/fpga farm or services such as GPUMAX.
Why would someone pay to redirect GPUMAX to a testnet where they'll get no return?

To prove everyone that ASIC is right there, by having someone noticing it and posting it on the forum.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: abeaulieu on October 05, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.
I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?
It is real hash power, but it could be fabricated by using a large gpu/fpga farm or services such as GPUMAX.
Why would someone pay to redirect GPUMAX to a testnet where they'll get no return?

To prove everyone that ASIC is right there, by having someone noticing it and posting it on the forum.

If that was so the company would want to take ownership or have that poster claim ownership. There is none of that here.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: BitcoinINV on October 05, 2012, 05:18:06 PM
It could be someones proto-type ASIC's the factor sends them a small batch to build the boards, the company then tests the boards and makes sure the chips work like they are supposed to. Then they start producing the production run of the chips. My guess is 1 of the 4 got the prototype chips. There is also a couple other things that could be happening, someone bought a lot of expensive FPGA chips and has them hashing at full speed, in theory a Virtex-7 would hash about 10x faster then the ASIC based on a stratix-3.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: cedivad on October 05, 2012, 05:56:08 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.
I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?
It is real hash power, but it could be fabricated by using a large gpu/fpga farm or services such as GPUMAX.
Why would someone pay to redirect GPUMAX to a testnet where they'll get no return?

To prove everyone that ASIC is right there, by having someone noticing it and posting it on the forum.

If that was so the company would want to take ownership or have that poster claim ownership. There is none of that here.

No, the company has no interest in doing so. There already are only a few companies, only one of those is worried about making their clients sure that they didn't gave money to a scammer.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Korbman on October 05, 2012, 06:35:42 PM
Either

1) BFL is gonna ship soon or
2) it's all fabricated

I'm undecided.
I don't understand how you fabricate that. Is there any way that it isn't real hash power? Or are my calculations wrong?
It is real hash power, but it could be fabricated by using a large gpu/fpga farm or services such as GPUMAX.
Why would someone pay to redirect GPUMAX to a testnet where they'll get no return?

To prove everyone that ASIC is right there, by having someone noticing it and posting it on the forum.

If that was so the company would want to take ownership or have that poster claim ownership. There is none of that here.

No, the company has no interest in doing so. There already are only a few companies, only one of those is worried about making their clients sure that they didn't gave money to a scammer.

Wow...just...wow...
Cedivad, don't forget your tinfoil hat!

http://www.bite.ca/bitedaily/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: cedivad on October 05, 2012, 06:38:16 PM
You are correct.
However that dosent mean that I'm wrong, nor that being wrong will make me change my attitude against this community


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Nite69 on October 05, 2012, 08:36:48 PM
http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs

http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=48hrs

This IP: 82.130.102.160 has recently started to mine with some power, wonder what is behind it..

http://bgp.he.net/ip/82.130.102.160


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Korbman on October 05, 2012, 08:53:58 PM
http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs

http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=48hrs

This IP: 82.130.102.160 has recently started to mine with some power, wonder what is behind it..

http://bgp.he.net/ip/82.130.102.160


You guys realize you can actually go to the IP address right?...you don't have to rely on DNS for everything...

Given the speculation thus far, my guess is that by actually going to 82.130.102.160 you'll be surprised by what you find..


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Nite69 on October 05, 2012, 08:56:50 PM
http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs

http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=48hrs

This IP: 82.130.102.160 has recently started to mine with some power, wonder what is behind it..

http://bgp.he.net/ip/82.130.102.160


You guys realize you can actually go to the IP address right?...you don't have to rely on DNS for everything...

Given the speculation thus far, my guess is that by actually going to 82.130.102.160 you'll be surprised by what you find..

oops..of course..


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: crazyates on October 05, 2012, 09:01:09 PM
http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs

http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=48hrs

This IP: 82.130.102.160 has recently started to mine with some power, wonder what is behind it..

http://bgp.he.net/ip/82.130.102.160

You guys realize you can actually go to the IP address right?...you don't have to rely on DNS for everything...

Given the speculation thus far, my guess is that by actually going to 82.130.102.160 you'll be surprised by what you find..
oops..of course..
What a perfect cover up for testing ASICs!  :P :P :P


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: smracer on October 05, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
So they are just a supernode?


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: makomk on October 06, 2012, 09:57:28 AM
(866076851417 hashes/block) / [(10 minutes/block)*(60 seconds/minute)] = 1443461419.03 hashes/second

= 1.443 THash/s
1443461419.03 hashes/second = 1443461.41903 KHash/sec =  1443.46141903 MHash/s = 1.44346141903 GHash/s, or about two FPGA Singles. Slightly higher than usual for testnet, but not terribly remarkable.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: abeaulieu on October 06, 2012, 07:36:12 PM
(866076851417 hashes/block) / [(10 minutes/block)*(60 seconds/minute)] = 1443461419.03 hashes/second

= 1.443 THash/s
1443461419.03 hashes/second = 1443461.41903 KHash/sec =  1443.46141903 MHash/s = 1.44346141903 GHash/s, or about two FPGA Singles. Slightly higher than usual for testnet, but not terribly remarkable.

you win. i knew something was probably wrong. thanks makomk.


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: Nite69 on October 07, 2012, 08:21:10 AM

What a perfect cover up for testing ASICs!  :P :P :P

Actually.. if you modify your bitcoin-qt source to only connect to that one IP, then solo mine with a lot of hashing power, would it do just that?

Isn't there any way to find out real block solver's IP address?


Title: Re: ASIC Testing? Some interesting activity...
Post by: crazy_rabbit on October 09, 2012, 02:40:44 PM
Well obviously they're going to turn them on at some point and try realistic tests.  Everyone's all like "The testnet will get damaged by a giant spike in speed."  Whatever, it's a freaking test net lol.  They're the ones that should be using it!

The only question is who has them in their hands?  There's only 2 companies that would based on the evidence and one's BFL.  Given each of their release dates, you just compare it to the development of every phone, gaming console, computer part, ETC.  If they're shipping in November, they have some in their hands now.  That's practically a law of physics when it comes to new product development.  It takes XX amount of days to test, box, label, and ship stuff so they do have some functional units in their hands at the moment but just barely.

+1

I would gather that other smaller ASIC developers would be tempted to sell their coins (hopefully in a slow orderly manner) to try and recoup their development investment even before filling orders.