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Title: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 19, 2015, 04:43:17 PM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular:
1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: SimpleIn on August 20, 2015, 08:34:13 PM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: 1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] Good questions. I too would like to see the answers! Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Bardman on August 20, 2015, 09:13:47 PM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: 1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] 3. you are definitely allowed to criticize the mods, there have been plenty of posts about it. 4. on off-topic im pretty sure you could im not sure about the others Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Lauda on August 20, 2015, 10:04:15 PM Okay let me simplify this. Read the list of rules that the forum has. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)
Other than that, you're pretty much allowed to post about anything as long as it is: A) In the right section; B) On topic. Depending on how often you read the Off-topic section of the forum, you would know that there is some pretty weird stuff. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Slark on August 20, 2015, 10:07:35 PM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: I did not know about this. That thread was very old. It was active for a years. Why it was removed?Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Lauda on August 20, 2015, 10:12:03 PM It was not removed, it was locked. Why is anyone even surprised? The thread became a XT trollfest and everyone went completely off-topic (discussing XT =/= price speculation).
Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Quickseller on August 20, 2015, 10:36:33 PM That thread was locked because it had gotten horribly off topic. As a general rule, what you are posting about should be somehow related to what was posted in the OP and/or the title of the thread. After reading the last 10 pages of the thread, there were exactly 0 posts about the relation of the price of gold to the price of bitcoin (or anything about prices of either) (or anything even remotely related to the OP) (or even anything even remotely related to speculation about prices).
You should not discuss the moderation of the forum in any thread except those in meta. If you are posting about the moderation of a thread in that thread then it if off-topic and should be deleted. If you wish to criticize the moderators then you should open a thread in meta (or reply to an existing thread in meta). Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 21, 2015, 01:27:18 AM Thank you everyone for your responses. The feeling I'm getting is that it comes down to the definition of what is and what isn't "off topic."
The "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread served as a sort of lounge where many of us would discuss varied topics related to all things that affected Bitcoin's long-term potential as a store of value (displacing gold). The breadth of that topic meant that changes to the protocol such as a larger block size limit or support for sidechains was very much relevant. The ongoing censorship at /r/bitcoin was also relevant: for example, the satirist /u/raisethelimit was band for 30 days for posting cartoons the raised eyebrows on the motives of influential Bitcoin companies such as Blockstream. Based on the 1.4 million views and 30,000+ comments, Cypherdoc's thread was unquestionably popular too. Does a suitable section for the continuation of this diverse thread exist in this forum? Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Quickseller on August 21, 2015, 02:57:43 AM Does a suitable section for the continuation of this diverse thread exist in this forum? The thread was probably a little bit too diverse in terms of what was being discussed. If I wanted to read about or discuss what was being discussed then I would have never thought to have looked in that thread. You would probably want to make the topic of your thread a little bit more narrow and if you wanted to discuss multiple topics then someone should create various threads in the appropriate subforums. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 21, 2015, 03:29:18 AM Does a suitable section for the continuation of this diverse thread exist in this forum? The thread was probably a little bit too diverse in terms of what was being discussed. If I wanted to read about or discuss what was being discussed then I would have never thought to have looked in that thread. You would probably want to make the topic of your thread a little bit more narrow and if you wanted to discuss multiple topics then someone should create various threads in the appropriate subforums. I find these policies very interesting. It sounds like the Forum permits threads that are entirely off-topic (in the off-topic section); however, threads that are highly-relevant to Bitcoin but broad in scope are not permitted anywhere, regardless of their popularity. Based on the link to the forum rules posted by LaudaM, I do not believe this is clear. I'm not trying to argue for or against a change--I'm just trying to determine what the policies actually are. On that topic, these were two of the recently-censored cartoons, which might be particularly relevant to the discussion in this thread: https://i.imgur.com/sbIpWx4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ICFiTVO.jpg?1 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3h4naf/the_hypocrisy_of_a_thermos_bitcoin_political/ , https://imgur.com/ICFiTVO Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Quickseller on August 21, 2015, 03:49:02 AM The threads in the "off-topic" subform is somewhat like a miscellaneous sections where threads can be created that may be of interest to bitcoineers but would not be appropriate to be posted elsewhere. Posts in these threads still must be somehow related to the original post in the respective threads.
Note that the "off-topic" subform does not have any dedicated moderators, and there are few actual conversations with any substance there, so it is unlikely that posts that are off topic to the original thread will get noticed by the moderators. As mentioned previously, you are free to make multiple threads about multiple topics and have the respective discussions in each of those threads. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 21, 2015, 03:55:07 AM As mentioned previously, you are free to make multiple threads about multiple topics and have the respective discussions in each of those threads. Thank you for confirming that threads that are highly-relevant to Bitcoin but broad in scope are not permitted anywhere, regardless of their popularity. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: BadBear on August 21, 2015, 05:46:48 AM I know you locked this thread, but I'm going to reply anyway.
I find these policies very interesting. It sounds like the Forum permits threads that are entirely off-topic (in the off-topic section); however, threads that are highly-relevant to Bitcoin but broad in scope are not permitted anywhere, regardless of their popularity. The forum itself is about all things bitcoin, there shouldn't be a need to make a single thread for all things bitcoin. What is it about the format you find compelling? I had some ideas that would help to replicate what you might gain from such a thread and improve the forum, such as a friends list (that requires confirmation, with an activity feed, etc) but thinking about it, it seems like it's mostly a groupthink phenomenon, and not a lacking feature of the forum. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Zarathustra on August 21, 2015, 07:58:28 PM I know you locked this thread, but I'm going to reply anyway. I find these policies very interesting. It sounds like the Forum permits threads that are entirely off-topic (in the off-topic section); however, threads that are highly-relevant to Bitcoin but broad in scope are not permitted anywhere, regardless of their popularity. The forum itself is about all things bitcoin, there shouldn't be a need to make a single thread for all things bitcoin. What is it about the format you find compelling? I had some ideas that would help to replicate what you might gain from such a thread and improve the forum, such as a friends list (that requires confirmation, with an activity feed, etc) but thinking about it, it seems like it's mostly a groupthink phenomenon, and not a lacking feature of the forum. This forum is full of XT-threads, but the most popular one is the only one that has been locked. And it is still locked! Is it still possible for you to look into the mirror? Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: TPTB_need_war on August 21, 2015, 10:07:38 PM And yet new threads that may be both NARROW in scope and ON topic, but completely REDUNDANT, INNANE, and ZERO LASTING DISCUSSION VALUE because they essentially ask the SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, are allowed be created daily over and over and over again for YEARS, and live on forever with no removal, culling or censorship whatsover. You are describing mega threads. BadBear is spot on with his logic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157185.msg12199651#msg12199651) on why to ban them unless they are focused on specific topic, e.g. "Economic Totalitarianism" and "Economic Devastation". When grown men can't contain their addictions and it is dragging the diversity and rebirth of the forum down into a blackhole of addiction, then the appropriate action is to force a rebirth. If you guys try again to congregate into the same groupthink morass, then the same needs to be done again. Even CoinCube and I don't post every 5 seconds in the Economic Devastation thread. You were trying to subsume the forum into your own groupthink thread. You even stated that others who have threads with less frequent bumps were to be ignored and were of worthless value (you all actually said that to me!). You guys want some feeling of exclusivity and power. You want to feel you've joined some tribe that is superior to the other tribes. But it ends up as a circle jerk addiction and bumped every 5 seconds thus sucking more people into the groupthink morass. It is a metastasizing inertia of groupthink addiction "bitcointalk fix". Whereas you see I even destroyed my AnonyMint username. I didn't sell it. I shut down that inertia and started anew. Life requires death. Life requires diversity. Addiction is death. That is because you are not capable of being an individual. You are still stuck in your "primitive, post-paleozoic, hunter-gatherer" evolutionary instinct which shuts down your "rational thought in the pre-frontal cortex". http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Existential_Fear Quote from: myself The fear emotion is inherited from the primitive, post-paleozoic, hunter-gatherer time period when mortal danger was omnipresent. Fear stimulates a fight-or-flight adrenaline spike in response to extreme stress. Adrenaline rushes are thrilling and addictive, especially when the threat is low-grade, not thoroughly exhausting, and thus repeatable because it only exists in the imagination. Adrenaline (plus cortisol) shuts down rational thought in the pre-frontal cortex. Production of the steriod cortisol spikes to redistribute more energy to the muscles and nerves, depleting energy from the immune system, digestion, and toxic waste processing necessary to maintain health. It is sad that most humans are stuck in this predicament. Tribal politics is all they know. and just what is off topic in a thread that's lasted 4 years and has 1.45M views and 31K posts? for the several days right before it got locked it was racking up about 7000 views per day. that's how popular it was. but that's the pt isn't it? stop the popularity before it gets out of hand. Yeah you proved you could stir up the worst trait in men: their ego (Bitcointalk "fix") addiction to circle jerking argument festivals where productivity falls into a black hole and no on the outside dares read lest they fall into the same pit. Luckily I had the self-discipline to just tune out. Well I haven't watched TV for decades, don't drink alcohol, don't even eat carbohydrates, nor drink anything other than water. So I guess it must require a supernatural self-discipline to avoid your spell. I feel pity for those here who continue wasting their time posting here. Don't these people have anything productive to do with their lives! What a crying shame. If the thread died with my post, that would be an amazing feat of humanity. I would be flabbergast. It won't. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: rebuilder on August 21, 2015, 11:44:42 PM If mega threads are not OK, how is it Adam's "wall observer" is still up and running, considering it must be the biggest and most off-topic thread on the entire forum?
Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: TPTB_need_war on August 22, 2015, 12:14:08 AM If mega threads are not OK, how is it Adam's "wall observer" is still up and running, considering it must be the biggest and most off-topic thread on the entire forum? Maybe it is less divisive for the community thus tolerated? Maybe they don't run it like the Nazis and try to ridicule you if you aren't already an indoctrinated groupthink member of the thread? Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 22, 2015, 12:14:30 AM Does a suitable section for the continuation of this diverse thread exist in this forum? The thread was probably a little bit too diverse in terms of what was being discussed. If I wanted to read about or discuss what was being discussed then I would have never thought to have looked in that thread. You would probably want to make the topic of your thread a little bit more narrow and if you wanted to discuss multiple topics then someone should create various threads in the appropriate subforums. I find these policies very interesting. It sounds like the Forum permits threads that are entirely off-topic (in the off-topic section); however, threads that are highly-relevant to Bitcoin but broad in scope are not permitted anywhere, regardless of their popularity. Based on the link to the forum rules posted by LaudaM, I do not believe this is clear. I'm not trying to argue for or against a change--I'm just trying to determine what the policies actually are. On that topic, these were two of the recently-censored cartoons, which might be particularly relevant to the discussion in this thread: https://i.imgur.com/sbIpWx4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ICFiTVO.jpg?1 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3h4naf/the_hypocrisy_of_a_thermos_bitcoin_political/ , https://imgur.com/ICFiTVO http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rDZFCqNkeVg/TaNbUSUbNmI/AAAAAAAAAEg/AsGt21lJKA0/s1600/Four+Forks.png http://www.thepensivecitadel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fourlights-300x229.jpg "There... are... four... forks!" Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: rocks on August 22, 2015, 12:38:39 AM It was not removed, it was locked. Why is anyone even surprised? The thread became a XT trollfest and everyone went completely off-topic (discussing XT =/= price speculation). So because you disagreed with most of the views there that made it a troll fest. Are you serious? You don't see how horrible that is. And no it wasn't a troll fest. It was just people that disagreed with. Unlock the thread, now. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: otrkid70 on August 22, 2015, 12:41:17 AM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: 1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] #3 I have openly Wrongly <---(Keyword) criticized the Mods including theymos and Badbear ......I wouldn't suggest it though. Bear gets grumpy like being Woken out of hibernation and theymos doesn't respond when criticized he just sits silent...I think the silence is more threatening to me than a response. You don't know what to expect. I would just be cool and don't go off the deep end and get banned like i did for Mouthing off. The Mods can be strict sometimes but you have to see their point of view....someone has to keep order around here. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 22, 2015, 02:45:09 AM https://i.imgur.com/EYATiQv.jpg With the recent locking of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. :'( :'( :'( 1. Are we allowed to talk about my butthurt? 2. Are we allowed to discuss my poutrage? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the socioeconomic majority? 4. Can I post silly cartoons to vent my poutrage and butthurt? Altcoin Discussion is the proper place to discuss XT. Theymos is very generous to make such an allowance on his private server. If I were him, XT and Gavinistas would be given the Bitcoin-scrypt treatment (IE disappeared like pinkos in Pinochet's Chile). The logic is simple enough: Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin. The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split. No rules have been changed. Only on /r/ was a temporary 'time-out' for the XT brigade enforced, after a period when they were out of control. All theymos did was clarify that the *EXISTING* rule against altcoin posts in Bitcon subs applies to XT, because it contains code that attempts, without consensus and despite contention, to create an alternative consensus. And that, by definition, is an altcoin. Existing rules are enforced with a light hand. That is a feature not a bug. You don't get to complain in the same post about the rules not being enforced and being enforced. ::) Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating. The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better. Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: monbux on August 22, 2015, 02:38:51 PM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: Just wondering, why was that thread removed?1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 22, 2015, 02:57:28 PM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: Just wondering, why was that thread removed?1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] The rationale given was that the thread was too broad in scope. https://i.imgur.com/nhUjjPL.png More on this here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157185.msg12198527#msg12198527 Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2015, 03:12:26 PM So because you disagreed with most of the views there that made it a troll fest. No. I have not stated my stance towards the discussed there. My conclusion was pulled from reviewing the last few pages of the thread. The last few pages have literally everything in them, from ad hominem to censorship complains.Are you serious? You don't see how horrible that is. And no it wasn't a troll fest. It was just people that disagreed with. Unlock the thread, now. That is really not related to "Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP." (speculation forum). Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 22, 2015, 07:39:05 PM So because you disagreed with most of the views there that made it a troll fest. No. I have not stated my stance towards the discussed there. My conclusion was pulled from reviewing the last few pages of the thread. The last few pages have literally everything in them, from ad hominem to censorship complains.Are you serious? You don't see how horrible that is. And no it wasn't a troll fest. It was just people that disagreed with. Unlock the thread, now. That is really not related to "Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP." (speculation forum). Do you believe such a thread has a place on this forum? Do you agree with some of the Administration here at the Forum that threads that are too broad in scope should not be permitted? Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 22, 2015, 09:49:02 PM https://i.imgur.com/Oljyv0M.jpg Are you serious? You don't see how horrible that is. :'( it wasn't a troll fest. It was just people that disagreed with. :'( Unlock the thread, now. :'( Cry moar, crybaby! As if we miss Frap.doc's content-and-humor-free insults and stock images of doggies. :D Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Peter R on August 24, 2015, 02:59:08 AM https://i.imgur.com/EYATiQv.jpg With the recent locking of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. :'( :'( :'( 1. Are we allowed to talk about my butthurt? 2. Are we allowed to discuss my poutrage? 3. Are we allowed to criticize the socioeconomic majority? 4. Can I post silly cartoons to vent my poutrage and butthurt? Altcoin Discussion is the proper place to discuss XT. Theymos is very generous to make such an allowance on his private server. If I were him, XT and Gavinistas would be given the Bitcoin-scrypt treatment (IE disappeared like pinkos in Pinochet's Chile). The logic is simple enough: Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin. The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split. No rules have been changed. Only on /r/ was a temporary 'time-out' for the XT brigade enforced, after a period when they were out of control. All theymos did was clarify that the *EXISTING* rule against altcoin posts in Bitcon subs applies to XT, because it contains code that attempts, without consensus and despite contention, to create an alternative consensus. And that, by definition, is an altcoin. Existing rules are enforced with a light hand. That is a feature not a bug. You don't get to complain in the same post about the rules not being enforced and being enforced. ::) Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating. The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better. https://i.imgur.com/jeGrkRf.gif Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 24, 2015, 05:25:10 AM You mislabeled your graph. "Bitcoin XT adoption" should be labeled "Bitcoin XT + NotXT + Pseudonode adoption." Good luck observing RealXT's actual adoption with so many FakeXT nodes feeding you misinformation. Also, the total FakeXT+RealXT adoption curve has flattened over the last week, as the public became better informed about XT's Tor Blacklist, IP reporting, potential catastrophic consensus failure, and Mike's "Final Call." Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: Zarathustra on August 24, 2015, 10:30:07 AM You mislabeled your graph. "Bitcoin XT adoption" should be labeled "Bitcoin XT + NotXT + Pseudonode adoption." Good luck observing RealXT's actual adoption with so many FakeXT nodes feeding you misinformation. Also, the total FakeXT+RealXT adoption curve has flattened over the last week, as the public became better informed about XT's Tor Blacklist, IP reporting, potential catastrophic consensus failure, and Mike's "Final Call." Core 0.11.0 has flattened moar and before. Perhaps because they are implementing customized core + BIP101. About your Blacklist FUD: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.msg12221920#msg12221920 Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: iCEBREAKER on September 05, 2015, 12:00:15 AM Core 0.11.0 has flattened moar and before. Perhaps because they are implementing customized core + BIP101. LOL, there is zero chance of BIP101 being implemented in Core. You are so gullible that you lived for weeks in a fantasy world where BIP101/XT are viable options with significant socioeconomic support. How does it feel to see your precious illusions turn to ash in the light of reality? Did you learn anything? :) Title: Re: What are the new rules for posting? Post by: hendra147 on September 05, 2015, 12:05:43 AM With the recent removal of the "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thread [my favourite thread to chat in], I've become unsure what the rules are for posting here at this forum. In particular: No we can talk aboutnon Bitcoin Core, so many Thread about XT in last month 1. Are we allowed to talk about non Bitcoin Core implementations of the protocol? Quote 2. Are we allowed to discuss proposals that, if adopted by >50% of the hash power, would result in a hard fork? may be Yes Quote 3. Are we allowed to criticize the moderators? Yes Quote 4. Can I post /u/raisethelimit's lasted comic? [lol it involves a CONSENS-A-TRONTM] https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3h4naf/the_hypocrisy_of_a_thermos_bitcoin_political/ |
