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The idea is you have to have a sidehack usb stick to join it.

The european stick is also good.

We proxy the sticks to one btc addy and direct to ck's solo pool

25 shares 1 stick each is max.

a 60 day run. most likely you lose  but if you win you get about 1 btc.

so after 60 day you get 0 or close to 1 coin. If we hit it.

we need a way to track the 25 sticks to see they stay pointed to ck's pool

Suggestions ideas comments are welcome.

Do those sticks run without interrupt?  I ran a U3 for a few months, but I had to babysit it daily.  Restarted it daily because the days I didn't, I'd come back and it would be a zombie.

The user stat page at the pool would show the number of workers, and the hash rate. That would be close enough, no?

Wish I had one.  Good Luck!

1. Rent a minimal linux cloud virtual server (many providers now accepts Bitcoin).

2. Install proxy on it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=611338.0;topicseen), it also has GUI, available via web browser, you can bind it to server's public IP address; configuration is easy.

3. All "stickers" ;) point their sticks to the proxy.

4. proxy uses solo pool as target pool.

5. Monitor statistics via proxies web GUI interface.

6. Cross you fingers ;)

Good luck!

(since Bitcoins will be generated to single address in case you find a block you also have to select one "sticker" that will later split the reward among "stickers", I guess that would be you, phillip)

Sounds like a fun idea.

However, right now, a separate setup to run just 1 stick and another setup to run 4 sticks (got 5 sticks coming), is not in the budget.

Unless there is a way to separate out 1 stick to point at it, and have the other 4 sticks running at the same time, on the same Pi?

these sticks run and run and run and run and run and run.

I set my 2 at freq 250(with a fan) get about 13.5 gh a stick and use  about 5 watts a stick.

Could it be done running two instances of cgminer and blacklisting/whitelisting opposite devices on each instance?

As soon as I get my sticks I'm in, sounds like fun.

Could be a nice project. 100 stick will give us 1.5 th  :P not bad!  ;D

yeah 100 sticks at freq 250  should do 1.35th  …..    5 watts at the stick but you need count the controller

there are ways to run this and more sticks to your other pools.  you can run bfg miner and cg miner at the same time on a decent pc.

point to the proxy with the cg miner build and point to bfg miner the other sticks.  I did this on a few windows 7 builds  with gridseed blades and u2 sticks.


I think it is workable.  We will need a proxy that tracks the 100 sticks  and the hash rate.  it then needs to point it all at ck's pool.

everyone  mines to the proxy  this is very much like using nicehash's service to solo mine.

difference is it will be cheap to lose. (Assuming we never hit a block)

cost 25 for the stick and at 30 days  of mining  you spend  5 maybe 6 kwatts of power thats  only 1.20 usd at 20 cents a kwatt.

How would you verify people are using the sidehack stick?

They could just underclock other miners to be around the same Gh/sec.

We can do with proof of purchase. There's not many people involved in NA, not sure about the rest.

Regardless this could be interesting. I was going to slap it on solo ck pool anyways. Slightly better odds for less payout could be doable.

Did I miss something?

Why limit it? If you buy Compacs, you can point as many as you like to the pool.

The technical specs as far as verification or whatnot is above my pay grade, but I think it would be a blast.

   same here I have 20 coming.

  I was pointing a few to ck a few to mmpool  and 10 rest goes to a forum member that lives in my home town.

So if a run 3 at ck  and 7 at mmpool.org    

  I have about x 13.33 gh or 40gh solo  chances of a full block are yea right like thats really going to happen.

If I use those 3 with 97 others  at 1333 gh  it really could happen  at least  it is 100/3  or 33.3 more likely to happen.

   and my other 7 plug along at mmpool.org

I'm sure we could work something out.

It would be a treat.

...unleashing the awesome power of apples!!

Apples, or lizards?

Novak spent the weekend working on cgminer drvers, and came in Monday morning with a test build (still very much not ready for deployment) that would light up a stick at 450MHz - that's almost 25GH, but was pulling 2.5A off the hub.

I'll probably point [at least] one stick at this [depending on the rules]. Good times.

To put things into perspective it is fucking hard to hit a block with 1333 gh or 8000 gh.

Look at

http://mmpool.org/    we have been mining for 2168 hours  since the last block  we run 77000 gh

 Since  all of sidehacks sticks all 1200 are about 7,700gh (at freq 250)   they could mine for 21,680 hours or 2 years and not hit a block.

I thought about it lets say  everyone does it all 600 sticks = 600 x 13.3 gh (freq 250) = 8th  

we hit a block lets say 24 btc after fees  so   your share is 0.04 btc  and thats is not roi.
but 100 sticks is    .24 btc  and that is roi
and if you count all the European sticks  which we should we are at 1200 sticks max.

The idea is these are fun sticks not get rich sticks. For me if I hit a block and only get 0.04 btc (no roi)  vs 0.24 btc (yes roi) I would be
disappointed.  So 100 sticks = 0.24 pay out



 But  maybe we can run  a western and an eastern pool  like nicehash-westhash. That lets up to 100 + 100  sticks in on it.




I don't know enough about running the proxy  meaning can we run two proxies.  
Have to find out  who knows how to set the proxy up.  I have 3 idle windows pc's    all good quality not sure if that helps I run a node on one.

The other two sit and do nothing.  
One is an i7 4790k with a ssd and 16gb ram internet is 50 down 15 up  cat 6 wire.  I am thinking that could do a proxy easy.
Or I can do it on a lower powered i5  with good ups backup for the server and the router.

I am building 1000 sticks.

I could also set up a proxy on our webserver here at the shop. I actually already have older versions of slush and ckpool proxies on there from the hacks we made to get Tubes running last fall, but I don't have web UI anything for them. It's quittin' time now but tomorrow I'll follow that link a few posts back and do a bit of learning.

I would think that NastyPool's -PoP payouts would be ideal for these miners...  You would be supporting p2pool with 0% fees and would get payouts per hashes instead of accepted shares, thus allowing you to get steady payouts even with a very low hashrate.

https://nastyfans.org/nastypool/

You could easily run several proxies on these kind of machines. You just have to keep in mind that you would have to open a particular (specific) port from internet to your PC ... basically other "stickers" would then use stratum+tcp://philipma1957-public-ip:selected-port for connecting their sticks. And you would configure the proxy so that it would connect to your selected pool(s) - this way all hashing power that would come from other stickers, would be redirected to selected pool(s) ... I really encourage you to look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=611338.0;topicseen ... it's really easy to setup, examples and instructions are on the GitHub: https://github.com/Stratehm/stratum-proxy

Im in for one stick.. I ordered 2 and one was going to cks pool at more or less stock settings anyway (the other stick is to do cruel experiments on) so Ill point it at this instead. its going on a HTPC thats on 24/7 anyway.

i like this club idea.. i havent purchased a stick yet, but im thinking about getting a couple..

but why limit it to one stick? you should just limit it to one share (per user), and then let them run whatever they want.. extra hash is a bonus and would help potentially get a block..

yeah I am thinking to try to make it more then 1 stick  which = 1 share  but each proxy is 100 sticks.

if we need to do 2 or 3 or 4 proxies for those that want in we can do it that way.

thus a proxy = 100 sticks and you get x/100   x is your sticks at the proxy.

   So if proxy one hits a block  every one would be at say .24 btc a share  and would have achived roi for that set of sticks.

i understand but instead of making it complex, you could make it like this.

open the club proxy up. and have it set so each user gets x amount of the block reward..

that way say you get 100 people.. thats 1/100 of the block reward, or .24.. but if one person wanted to put 5 sticks in.. he would still only get .24 but that would fetch him more btc (potentially if you get a block) then if he put those on a pool (since they make very little on a pool, might not even get past the dust limit).

kind of like a pool that divvies up per user instead of share rate..

I'm going to be running with the Pi, so I don't know if it would handle running both bfg and cg miners (might ?).

What the heck, count me in, I'll just run 1 for 30 (or is it 60?) days.

It'll give me time to look at set up I'm thinking of doing with an old pc case w/PSU, modify a cheap 10 port usb hub, along with the Pi, mounted inside the case, with a couple of fan's, power everything off the PSU (use old stuff on hand to make new). See what kind of power that draws and crank the sticks up to ~ 20 - 25GH if there is power (maybe by that time, 5 more sticks might be in the cards (which .24 would help a lot  ;D)) .

well we are floating ideas.   

the idea of 100 people in a proxy each getting 1/100 of the block but allowing them to donate more then 1 stick is intriguing. Not sure  if someone would want to run 2 or 3 sticks and collect the same as a guy running 1 stick but ultimately  we can figure it out.

As for a time frame  maybe 30 days not 60.

Since  even 100 sticks doing 1330gh for 30 days is not likely to hit  a block.

Still  the idea has potential.   


I think 30 days a run is better then 60.

just gonna put this out..

sidehacks sticks are capable of going far beyond stock. mine will be more or less stock (I dont want a fan on the one plugged into my HTPC in the living room so it will be passively cooled only) but Im sure others will wind theirs up to twice or more what mine will likely be at.

do those with greater hash per stick deserve more if a block is indeed found?

anyway to do a payout percentage proportionate to hash rate? or is that too much as this is more a fun thing to do rather than a money making thing (seems to me anyway).

Had a 750-850GH hasher hit a block on kano 4 hours ago. So you never know  ;)

good point i run mine at freq 250 this is what the stock cgminer 4.9.2 maxes at.

this would need a high powered usb hub with 1.1 amps and while i did a 15 hour fanless run i would not run the stick 24/7/365 at this setting.

i think asking for 10 gh would be fair but i am not sure if everyone can get
a stick to run at freq 200 without a decent hub.

we need to have an idea exchange.

  my idea goes like this  100 shares in the proxy
minimum 1 stick at freq 175 gives about 8.6 gh
you can use more hash then 8.6 gh  but you get 1/100

I may run my 1 at freq 250 which is 13.5 gh  so I would be donating about 5 gh  to the  100 share proxy

the idea is that particular stick you put in cost you 25 usd and 30 days of mining is about 1 dollar  so  the chance at .24 btc makes the stick a profit if the proxy hits a block.   

as long as you have 1 stick in at freq 175 you should be qualified. at 1/100
if you have a stud hub and want to run your stick at freq 250 or more its more like you are a team player.

Remember running at freq 175 saves money , can run fanless is truly a silent miner

and everyone can do freq 175   gives us around 880 gh as a team 

even with CPU you can be lucky and find a block

well there is lucky and then there is unreal luck.  but you are correct it could happen.

It could, but it won't.

Lucky is solving a block solo with <1TH at today's difficulty.  Unreal luck is the guy who earlier this year hit 5 solo blocks renting hash in a matter of a few weeks.  Solving a block at >50,000,000,000 difficulty with a cpu ain't gonna happen, let's be realistic.

I was realistic remember I used the term unreal luck. ::)

to better show what both you and I mean.


1th should make a block in around 100 months.

so the 100 share proxy has a 1/100 shot to hit a block if we run it for a month.

kind of fun and why not.

  100 to 1 thats lucky

1 stick for that month is 10,000 to one thats very lucky

1 cpu doing 100 mh    is 1,000,000 to one thats unreal luck as I don't really expect to get a block if I am running a cpu  and I actually believe my math is off by a factor of 100 since a cpu may do KB's not mb's

so 1,000,000 to one or 100,000,000 to one are pretty much both in the world of unreal luck.

100 to one. I have been there and done that.

Well, one option is everyone gets one miner (unless we don't get 100 players), and we let it run until we hit a block. We can pick a minimum speed, near the max but not overwhelming, to add a lil' juice. Higher is, of course, welcome. Assuming that it isn't a major production to do so, of course.

As people drop out for whatever reason, gamers (heh) could add to their stock, or we can invite other people to throw one in.

To keep it simpler, if your miner is in the pool and the pool hits, you get 0.24. No matter if you just started yesterday, or you've been in from day one. If you drop from the pool, you're out. No payout.

This idea adds a bit of fun (For Duty and Humanity!) teamwork. And possibly a nice lil' reward.

I like that we could do 2 proxies the 30 day  and the lifetime well long term maybe not lifetime.  that may be the best idea

Right, and by "lifetime" I meant until it makes zero sense, or until enough people drop that there's no real point.

It is a great idea, thank you.

Color me down with this sickness. I am definitely in!

I'm in with the 3 that I ordered...

cool.

I have two coming. Ill run one at the 30 day, and probably one at the "lifetime." after the 30 day pool is done Ill take that one and perform absolutely cruel and stupid experiments on it..  I love destructive testing it has vapourminer written all over it :)

Is this idea still a possibility once everyone gets their sticks?

I'm still up for it.

Heres an ideal, say only 50 people want to get in and if they each have 2 sticks (or more, depending on the number in), it's still 100 sticks and 1/100, just instead of .24BTC per person, it's .24BTC per stick.

Guess just have to wait to see after everyone gets the sticks and get a good number of how many is interested for sure.

Phil did you start the creation of the pool ??

no I need help with proxy as I never did one.  I do have many quality pc's in my house   that can do the work.  But my skill at setting up a proxy is basically 0.

So I can provide a pc and run it  I just need help to set the pc up.

or if we have a trusted person willing to do the proxy on their server that works.

Phil, I can set it up for you on your PC ... after the initial config is done, you'll just use the web interface ... PM if you're interested, I'll do it for free (it's my pleasure ;) ).

you should see if kano will make a special port on his pool to do this sort of prop payout.

it might be worth expanding to not only sidehack sticks but also other outdated miners that wont find a block on their own and doesnt hash enough to clear the dust filters.

Wouldn't it more make sense for ck's solo pool to do it?

cks solo pool is set to mine to payout to the miners address who finds the block..
you need a front end that will take the payout and distribute it to the miners equally..

im not sure how complex it would be to change that.

I see but then we also need some sort of additional code to only allow registered user to mine with 1 stick per, or something. Basically phil could hand over accounts and allow a max of 10gh and there would be no complicated math to do, just split in x part for the x amount of users plugged in. Doesnt matter if someone is at 8 or 9 or 12 gh.

it shouldnt matter how many sticks or ghs people mine with.. it will actually help the pool because the payout phil is suggesting is split equally..

so say you have 1 8ghs stick and i put my s3 on it for 450 ghs. when or if the pool finds a block, we both get the same amount of btc.

Sure i guess you can just put a minimum instead of a maximum, hand over accounts to those with a txid of buying a sidehack stick or a picture with their name. Then if people want to donate hashrate, they might as well.

okay I will take you up on it…     Going to type out this idea. lets see how many put in.



I really want sidehack sticks    so how  about

 A list of 100   if you hit you get 1/100 of a block. 0.24 btc

If we can not fill the list  with side hack only we will take  others.

every one in must send 8gh or more.  if more thank you very much since you get 1/100 or .24 btc  so anything over 8gh is a dontation.


let us say the prxy  address is   24.001.001.001:3333   it then points  all  hash to ck's  solo pool.  this is better then 100 different ip's pointing to ck's pool at 1 address .



   I will set up a solo address and manually pay the 100 players.
If you don't have a sidehack stick  put yourself on the list as I am not sure how many we will get.

pool's list so far

1) philipma1957 -  sidehack yes
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)

 

I'm in, but my sticks aren't expected to ship until this Friday.

pool's list so far

1) philipma1957 -  sidehack yes
2) bmoscato       -  next week
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)

  

How could I point 1 stick out of 4, all on the same hub/machine, to this and the other 3 to another pool; is that possible?

The cgminer i use(for other usb miners) let me use --scan-serial/dev/ttyUSB# where # is the usb port number. So you can run ttyUSB0 on this pool to be. Then do --scan-serial/dev/ttyUSB1 --scan-serial/dev/ttyUSB2 --scan-serial/dev/ttyUSB3 on a second .bat file for the rest.

I'm not sure if there's only BFG miner for this stick, but if so you're only missing the syntax to do it on BFG miner, which most likely has this as well.

Well the original cgminer -ck implemented quotas 2 years ago ........
https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/README#L733
So you'd do that with one cgminer

If it has USB implemented properly in the fork you can use --usb which I added about ... 2.5 to 3? years ago ... so you can run multiple cgminers and divide up the selection of devices.
https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/README#L480

Im in with a sidehack stick. they arent here yet but should be soon.

Add me. I'm on Canada group buy. Valkir should receive the batch sometime next week, so some time after that i will probably receive it one way or another.

There is probably still plenty of time before you find 100. Maybe do 1/50, or whatever we'll see. It's a group lotto anyways 1/37 would be pretty much the same.

30 days per run? 60?

Using ck solo sound like a decent idea, but i'm not sure how you could enforce a 8gh average minimum over it.

Add me to the list, I'm in (when the sticks arrive).

Already got cgminer-gekko loaded up on the Pi, should have the USB hub and everything else ready this weekend, so hopefully it should just be plug the sticks in when they arrive and start mining.

Im also in with 2 Sidehack Stick  ;D

yeah logistically I am working on this but I suspect that I may not be able to get it to work.

Maybe a clone of Kano pool? You'd need to do some manual policing but all the data needed would be there.

Great, just the info I was looking for.  I'm new to mining (just started earlier this year), and these little tricks slip by me.

all he would have to do is take out the ability to anonymously mine with a btc address.. and then handout the username and temp passwords manually to people.

kanos pool mines to its own address and he does payouts manually, so it wouldnt be hard for him to distribute the btc based on current users.

As of right now I have 40 unique customers, with 18 customers shipped. At least seven resellers. It might be a while before you get to 100 people with sticks.

yeah may make it a smaller number.

I have figured a way to do this.

I run a node 24/7/365

 I can generate  btc addresses  with it.

So

look at the account  I mark each unique address  with

sidehack
philipma1957
valkir   so on so forth


https://i.imgur.com/4MaXf0t.png

I run this on a mac this means I can clone the hdd so a failed hdd is not an issue.

So if you are in you get a btc address and you use it to mine at ck's pool

so stats are kept  here is an empty miner and a 2 stick miner

https://i.imgur.com/SpQIBk1.png

Maybe I missed a particular issue, but my BTC0.02: if you're using solo.ckpool, then why not use the worker facility?
e.g. -u address.workername -p x
Where 'address' remains the same, while the workername can be anything you want if you wanted to anonymize it.

For overall stats (essentially public), people would grab http://solo.ckpool.org/users/address
For per-worker stats, people would grab http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/address.workername
( worker names are not public, so only those with the worker name could check it (short of brute-forcing on that URL) )
For anybody who's not 'in' but still ends up using 'address(.whatever)' - the more the merrier, but they wouldn't gain anything from doing so.

not quite sure how your idea works.


but  are you saying


use a secure address  like this one

http://solo.ckpool.org/users/114J9nTVYHq5ZXA5hKorTLpyF6pxZgL6pf

then

http://solo.ckpool.org/users/114J9nTVYHq5ZXA5hKorTLpyF6pxZgL6pf.philipma1957xxx
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/114J9nTVYHq5ZXA5hKorTLpyF6pxZgL6pf.sidehackxxx
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/114J9nTVYHq5ZXA5hKorTLpyF6pxZgL6pf.TheRealStevexxx

prizes would be   block - ck's fee = 24.75  + fees

if your worker hits the block  you keep the  block fees

anytime you want to put in extra hash cool but you only get  1 share no matter what.

Yes, pretty much, though for workers the URL is /workers/ rather than /users/.

You'd use an address to which you (as the organizer) or multiple people (... I haven't tried solo.ckpool with a multisig, but I suppose it ought to work) hold the private key.  That address could be made public (if you want everybody to be able to look at the stats), or you can try keeping it secret (but not sure why).

For the worker names you could use just 'address.sidehack' if you don't care if people could easily guess it, or you can use 'address.sidehackxxx' to make it more difficult to guess.
Note that knowing the worker name doesn't really mean much other than somebody using that workername and throwing extra hashrate at it, and being able to view that worker's stats.

Compared to multiple addresses, this means you only have to have one private key to keep track of and there will also be a single stats page that covers the overall stats (so the participants / the general public can look at the total hash rate, number of workers, etc.).

So for your idea, this would still work just fine - the single address gets the block reward (minus fees), and then you pay out to the individual workers from that address just as you would otherwise with the multiple addresses.  The block reward can just be divided by the number of participants.

I am going to try to set up your idea today.
I will use 2 sticks and I will rent 5th from nicehash.

I will demo it here so we can see how it looks.

so then here we go:

the user is here:

http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

{"hashrate1m": "4.55T", "hashrate5m": "4.8T", "hashrate1hr": "982G", "hashrate1d": "69.4G", "hashrate7d": "16.4G", "lastupdate": 1441984198, "workers": 3, "bestshare": 570888.49073493551}



one worker is my rental

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.philipma1957rental


{"hashrate1m": "5.14T", "hashrate5m": "4.84T", "hashrate1hr": "1.08T", "hashrate1d": "49.9G", "lastupdate": 1441984318, "bestshare": 434605.26039145078}

second worker is a pair of sticks

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje



{"hashrate1m": "38.7G", "hashrate5m": "31.2G", "hashrate1hr": "27.8G", "hashrate1d": "25.9G", "lastupdate": 1441984378, "bestshare": 570888.49073493551}


this is pretty easy to do I just need  an address to give out.

if you sign up for this stats are kept daily Should work.  I have to post 1 time a day to keep track.

Couldn't you just run a proxy (BFG Miner) on your server or PC where you issue credentials (user / password) for each user?  The proxy will point at CK pool with whichever address you designate and you can see the users that are hashing on the proxy?

If you run "ckpool -p" it's a proxy.

don't need to do it.

sidehack says we have about 40 or 50 buyers of sticks.

so lets say 30 get in with 1 stick  say 9gb a stick  it is only 270gb


chances are you never win.  

so if all are like under this:

http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

http://solo.ckpool.org/worker/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.philipma1957stick
http://solo.ckpool.org/worker/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtjephilipma1957donatedhash

http://solo.ckpool.org/worker/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.forumnamestick
http://solo.ckpool.org/worker/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.forumnamedonatedhash

http://solo.ckpool.org/worker/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.forumname2stick
http://solo.ckpool.org/worker/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje.forumname2stick

we all know whom everyone is

and the stats of each stick.

donations don't get you a bigger share but if you donate hash and it hits you keep block fees

the questions to kano are how many  workers  can go under 1 user?
would you rather it  as a proxy?

And to help sidehack sell off sticks I will commit to donating hashpower via nicehash rentals.   5th for 5 hours or so each day.

I didnt know you could set worker name and track each and everyone, on ck solo.
You figured out a way to not have to do it manually?

And it sound overly optimistic to get 30 of the 50 unique users to join, unless you contact them directly and let them know of this.

well who cares if they are too stupid (to be more pc mathematically challenged)

to not take advantage  of 5th in hash power each day that I donate.

the chance of winning part of a block  is far greater due to the 5th in hash power I will donate.

I will rent 0.011 btc a day on nicehash in 5th size  for 30 days

So you can point a sidehack stick at this and have a huge chance to roi the stick.

Or you can take a stick and point it else where.

30 days of 0.011 =  0.33btc I can afford that.

Even with the donated hash most likely we won't hit a block in those 30 days but no better chance then this.


https://i.imgur.com/b9aR4LQ.png

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