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Title: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 20, 2015, 11:54:23 AM Hi
I saw a lot of press and article on the fork problem but will like to know the opinion of some person. Website with some answer : http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net/ Gavin and Mike : ok we know XT Wladimir J. van der Laan : Core Jeff Garzik : Core Gregory Maxwell : Core Pieter Wuille : Core - https://gist.github.com/sipa/c65665fc360ca7a176a6 Adam Black : Core - https://www.reddit.com/user/adam3us - http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/networks/the-bitcoin-for-is-a-coup P. Kaufmann : ? Cory Fields : ? Matt Corallo : ? Nick Szabo : Core -https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/633011973634961408 Upal Chakraborty : Core - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1154536.0 - http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010285.html - http://upalc.com/maxblocksize.php Charlie Lee (litecoin core dev) : Core - https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hp190/charlie_lee_nuclear_option_of_forking_the/cu9e4tj I will like to create a table of + and - to see what dev think about this. THanks Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on August 20, 2015, 12:04:12 PM Well, obviously you can add Greg Maxwell and the rest of the devs as Core proposers lol. Im pretty certain Nick is also supportive of Core. Actually few people are supporting core beside Gavin and Hearn themselves.
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: Kazimir on August 20, 2015, 12:23:11 PM Actually few people are supporting core beside Gavin and Hearn themselves. You mean: are supporting XT ?Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: Kazimir on August 20, 2015, 12:32:58 PM Pieter Wuille : ? Pieter proposed an excellent suggestion (https://gist.github.com/sipa/c65665fc360ca7a176a6) to slowly and moderately increase the block size limit. I think this would be a wise middle ground, hopefully something that all devs are willing to consider as a reasonable compromise. Even if they think it's not perfect, it's not that dramatic. And it's most definitely way better to have a least a unanimous decision for the time being, rather than strictly holding on to each own's position and risking Bitcoin to be split up in Core and XT (which is devastating). Seriously... Nobody can claim that Pieter's proposal of growing by 21/16 (≈ 4.4%) every 223 seconds (≈ 97 days), or about 17% per year, is in any way ridiculous or damaging or shortsighted. Quote Adam Black : Core but link some article too. Adam Beck on reddit 2 days ago: Quote ...I also proposed a simple compromise: 2MB immediately, then 4MB in 2 years, 8MB in 4 years and then re-evaluate what to do next based on experience with how well lightning, sidechains etc work in practice. 4 years is a really long time in Bitcoin, and I think racing off into the future with an 8GB block is inadvisably risky. Very hard to predict 20 years into the future and likely wrong in one direction or other with deleterious effects. https://www.reddit.com/user/adam3us (https://www.reddit.com/user/adam3us) Quote Jeff Garzik : Core but will like to see some link. Jeff proposed BIP 102 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6451) to increase the block size to 2MB. Intended as a temporary solution, to give us all more time and space to think longer about a more definitive solution.He earlier proposed BIP 100 (http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/BIP100-blocksizechangeproposal.pdf) where block size limit is dynamically adjusted every 12000 blocks (3 months) depending on block size usage over the past 12000 blocks. Much like how mining difficulty is adjusted. Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 20, 2015, 01:37:47 PM Thanks Kazimir. I will edit OP.
Keep posting article ;D Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: gentlemand on August 20, 2015, 01:42:41 PM Core devs support Core? I'm shocked, SHOCKED.
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 20, 2015, 01:44:35 PM Core devs support Core? I'm shocked, SHOCKED. Gavin and Mike are supporting XT, I'm shocked, SHOCKED! ;) Im adding other well know member of the crypto currency community. Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: CounterEntropy on August 20, 2015, 02:16:05 PM Do not miss this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1154536.0
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: ZephramC on August 20, 2015, 02:50:07 PM This is false dilemma. There are actually more than two options!
Is is not either "Core" or "XT". At least these options should be considered (and their popularity with devs/pools/merchants/nodes clarified):
* - Lengthy does not necessarily mean thorough. "It has been discussed for two years now" does not mean "It has been discussed enough and we ought to make change now!" ** - tl;dr: "Nodes will also calculate what % of blocks in the last difficulty period is higher than 90% of the maximum block size, which is 1 MB for now. If it is found that more than 90% blocks in the last difficulty period is higher than 90% of the maximum block size, then double the maximum block size. If not, then calculate what % of blocks in the last difficulty period is less than 50% of the maximum block size. If it is higher than 90%, then half the maximum block size. If none of the above condition satisfies, keep the maximum block size as it is." Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 20, 2015, 03:00:31 PM Well the question here is more do we want XT or work on core.
I know there is multiple proposition on core and this is why Im trying to find all info about proposition and opinion of dev. ;) Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 20, 2015, 06:49:04 PM I need more link. This could help everyone to make their choose. ;)
P. Kaufmann : ? Cory Fields : ? Matt Corallo : ? Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: meono on August 20, 2015, 06:53:49 PM
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: PolarPoint on August 20, 2015, 07:06:26 PM Actually, I want to know which dev(s) is against Garzik's BIP102 and what are his/their reasons. The choices are more than a clear cut Core or XT. BIP102 is a good middle ground and why aren't most of the Core devs supporting it?
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 20, 2015, 07:07:21 PM meono do you have any link for this? Thanks you ;)
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: roadbits on August 20, 2015, 10:05:46 PM This block size debate is healthy. It needed to happen and when consensus is reached Bitcoin will be stronger because of it.
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: ticoti on August 20, 2015, 10:31:41 PM Its all stupid
why dont they implement changes in core,I dont understand this shit Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 10:51:19 PM why dont they implement changes in core,I dont understand this Correct. Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: Alley on August 20, 2015, 11:39:08 PM I think it's pretty obvious core devs will make more money with their blockstream project if the 1mb limit stays in place permanently.
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: RocketSingh on August 20, 2015, 11:42:42 PM Its all stupid why dont they implement changes in core,I dont understand this shit Which changes ? There are many suggested here - http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net. Core Devs are not against block size increase. They are against the way XT is doing it. Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 21, 2015, 03:07:41 AM http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net/
Nice website. Lets hope many dev will answer. Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: valkir on August 22, 2015, 01:41:23 PM Any other link ?
Title: Re: Opinions of core dev on the change! Post by: jonald_fyookball on August 22, 2015, 02:00:08 PM Actually, I want to know which dev(s) is against Garzik's BIP102 and what are his/their reasons. The choices are more than a clear cut Core or XT. BIP102 is a good middle ground and why aren't most of the Core devs supporting it? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1158693.0 |