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The original whitepaper PDF has this record:

"/CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')"

This suggests that his timezone was UTC-6.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%E2%88%9206:00#/media/File:Timezones2008_UTC-6.png

Pretty narrow strip :)

Wikipedia quotes an analysis of his posts that puts him in either UTC-5 or UTC-6.


Besides the date, it also records that he used OpenOffice 2.4.

Gah, just give up on this whole satoshi crap.
He obliviously doesn't want to be recognised for his creation, so leave him be.

So what? Where did he live? How do you know when he publish his works and posts? Maybe he was in the internet for nights only, maybe he's a night person. This proves nothing.

We will find out who Satoshi is after, like, 50 years of Bitcoin. And that day will be amazing.

PS: I think Satoshi is Google, btw.

I'm not in a court, no need to prove anything. I simply think that Satoshi is Google.  :)  I can't? Sorry, I will think like you then.  ::)

So Mike Hearn?

I don't have an opinion on that. But I am quite surprised by your hunch that Satoshi wrote/sent his white paper from the central US. I'd be even more surprised if it turned out Satoshi was American...but, what fact do I have to base my shock on - none.

Nice find.

Mike Hearn is not Google. Nice straw man fallacy.

There is no guarantee that that is his actual timezone. It is possible that he changed his clock to further hide himself.

He also could have posted at odd hours do that people searching for him would be following a red herring.

Satoshi just wanted to be left alone,
We can do that much for him.

problem is we don't even know if he really wanted to be left alone. Satoshi just left without a word, so, for all we know, something could've happened to him/her/it/them.

Flyover country?  Way off.

I can disclose you meddling kids should be looking in UTC-9.   ;)

I thought that Newsweek did an article (http://www.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/face-behind-bitcoin-247957.html) on finding Satoshi. I'm not sure if the article is just a joke from Newsweek, or that they actually found him. But if it's genuine, then Satoshi really did want to continue living life in peace without any connections with Bitcoin.

they found dorian nakamoto, who denies being Satoshi.
if satoshi is around and want to be left alone, he should sign a message.

By late 2010, however, Nakamoto Satohi began to fade from the scene. While he always worked with other individuals, he was careful not to reveal any personal details with the people he collaborated with online in the Cryptography Mailing List at metzdowd.com. This ensured that he retained his cloak of invisibility.

Since then, several attempts have been made at trying to identify Nakamoto Satoshi. Most people assume that he is Japanese, if only due to the name; this is more than likely a cover given his use of language and perfect English, and the fact that the original bitcoin.org domain was registered by a Finnish company based in Helsinki. Maybe these were all subtle tricks to throw us off his trail.

Google represents everything that is wrong with the internet. Bitcoin represents the power of what the internet can be when the individual is in control not large companies and governments.

I think DPR is Satoshi  ;D

Satoshi want to be a anonymous. Let him or she or they be until the day they decide it is time to reveal.


Hah. You got to be kidding me. Google might be the biggest technology company today but I dont think they created Bitcoin. Google is a branded company. If they create something, they will definitely promotes it to their thousands of followers.

He's ex-Google, however Bitcion is 6 years old, so he could have been working there at the time of it's start, at the release of Satoshi's white paper.

No straw man fallacy, just cold hard facts:

• http://plan99.net/~mike/
• https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mike_Hearn

P.S. Google is not actually a person, it's the people at Google that work their passion projects within the Google think tank machine...

Just because that's the timestamp doesn't mean that's where he lives, or was residing, it could be changed to literally anything.

Is this a proof that satoshi is not a Japanese (though his name is like a Japanese)? Japan's timezone is UTC+9, and his timezone is way different from that.

Anyway, satoshi's identity is still unknown and I doubt that he is already dead in some accident...?

Satoshi is the new jesus. <3

Looooollll

I seriously doubt that, he didn't have good opsec, impossible that he would be Satoshi :)

The mystery become almost solved, we are almost there :D
We must find any other clue ;D

So what if he is from utc -6 place? Nothing. Stop digging start bitcoining.

True, but that's a strange choice of timezone for somebody who claimed to be Japanese.

The fact that it correlates with post analysis only makes the case stronger.

I doubt Satoshi would have been able to cover all his tracks.. Something like this is easily overlooked, besides, I doubt he was trying that hard in the beginning..

This could be right.
If he was sure he covered all his tracks then he wouldn't disappear.
Or, he would at least himself make a formal statement that he was leaving ::) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts))
That last post of his sounds to me that he still had lots of work to do on Bitcoin....

This is exactly what I was thinking. If he was really smart he would have left little things like this  to throw people off, though I'm not sure if he did or not (though obviously he is pretty smart and has evaded detection for this long).

He would have set the timezone to Japan, don't you think? This looks more like a simple slip.

Even if you find his real timezone what will that give you? He could have been on vacation at the time or just working in another country. Even if he lived there years ago who says he is now?
We can't find the location of known scammers, people known by name like Danny Brewster and think we can locate Satoshi through his timezone.

Did I say anywhere that I want to locate him?

At this point, if someone were to step forward even with sufficient proof that they were Satoshi, I personally think that most would not believe that person anyway. I also dont know why people think he is dead. He was obviously a shadowy figure so disapearing isn't all that surprising.

Yes, all of this obsession with who Satoshi is, is really too much! I am sure he will never be found unless if he wants to be found. He is just too smart and he had a head start to cover up his trails, and in all honesty, he has done a fine job out of it.

Maybe he will uncover himself when he will think that's safe enough. Maybe he waits for Bitcoin to become huge so he can make a world a better place with his 1 million coins. Who knows!

Another curious thing:

/Lang (en-GB)

For somebody in timezone -6 or -7 this would probably be "/Lang (en-US)". Is he Canadian?

From Wikipedia:

You can obtain "bloody hard" from a direct translation of a Japanese phrase?

Well he's done a pretty good job so far. I think if you set out with the mindset to remain anon and know what you're doing it's not impossible. If I wanted to create a account with the intention of remaining 100% anon I think I could do it personally though wouldn't really have the need to.

Quote from a well-known paper: "My thanks to Jerome Barkow, Andrew Odlyzko, Bruce Smith, K. Eric Drexler, Markus Krummenacker, Mark Wiley, Norm Hardy, and others for their insightful comments."

Search those guys (plus the author & former companies); Search Sun Microsystems, look for a patent from 1995 that a Norm et al of these guys (+mark miller worked on); search Agorics Inc.; ta da - you got a crew that may (and easily could) have roguely created an open source money (in opposition to and to undercut patents in the pipeline).  

One thing that is curious is the presence of nanotech folks close to ns + his work at JPL + foresight institute.   These guys were preparing for humanity to get off the rock, as they say, and to ensure stores of value could travel w/ them.  

EDIT - From http://cap-lore.com/Agorics/Library/patent.html:

"Agorics employees authored the following patents. They are fundamental to the implementation of secure, electronic business applications and secure Web servers. Agorics, Inc., either owns or has license rights to each of these patents.

Patent: # US 4,584,639: Computer Security System
Status: Filed December 23, 1983; Granted: April 22, 1986.
Licensed to Agorics by Key Logic, Inc.

Patent: # US 5,640,569: Diverse Goods Arbitration System and Method for Allocating Resources In a Distributed Computer System
Status: Filed April 28, 1995; Granted: June 17, 1997.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Patent: # US 5,781,633: Capability Security for Transparent Distributed Object Systems
Status: Filed July 1, 1996; Granted: July 14, 1998.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Patent: # US 5,790,669: Lightweight Non-Repudiation System and Method
Status: Filed July 1, 1996; Granted: August 4, 1998.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Patent: # US 5,852,666: Capability Security for Distributed Object Systems
Status: Filed July 1, 1996; Granted: December 22, 1998.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Patent: # US 5,960,087: Distributed Garbage Collection System & Method
Status: Filed July 1, 1996; Granted: September 28, 1999.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Patent: # US 6,049,838: Persistent Distributed Capabilities
Status: Filed July 1, 1996; Granted: April 1l, 2000.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Patent: # US 6,161,121: Generic Transfer of Exclusive Rights
Status: Filed July 1, 1996; Granted: December 12, 2000.
Licensed to Agorics by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Agorics' personnel are also among the authors of the following patents for the FSTC (Financial Services Technology Consortium):

Patent: # US 6,021,202: Method and System for Processing Electronic Documents
Status: Dec. 19, 1997; Granted: Feb. 1, 2000.

Patent: # US 6,209,095: Method and System for Processing Electronic Documents
Status: Filed: Aug. 31, 1999; Granted: Mar. 27, 2001."

Also: http://www.cap-lore.com/Agorics/Library/dsr.html ("To appear in Agoric Systems: Market Based Computation, edited by Wm. Tulloh, Mark S. Miller and Don Lavoie. This may be found by ftp at netcom.com:pub/joule/DSR1.ps.gz, DSR1.rtf.gz or DSR.txt") (recall a netcom.com email address).

He posted in both British and American English.

He was not only 1 person, it is absolutelly sure. We can confirm that IT is not death for the same reason, "he"/"she" was lot of persons i think.

Just because you think that it's true doesn't mean that it's absolutely true. How do you know that it's 100% true? Have you met them before? Have you even seen anything that Satoshi said that suggests that he/she/they is/are a group?

Some nice detective works here!  ;D ;D ;D

Do you think the time stamp on the forum was changed to mask his identity? The moment you access the forum and you post something, the time stamp of the forum is used. Would he or they go through so much trouble to only post in specific time zones, to mask the identity?

It is a possibility, but highly unlikely. I do much of my work late at night when the kids are asleep and I am not at work, so the time of posting will not have any bearing on my location anyway.

let's use block height as the timezone.