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In absolutely no way provably fair (that I could find). Bet here at your own (moronic) risk.

Like i said. its just being integrated with bitcoin payment and paypal. We are long established in Malaysia, but then we were using local bank payments only.

 And your always welcome to contribute your ideas towards better guidance or implementation wherever required.
There is nothing Moronic or stupid, foolish, senseless, brainless, mindless, idiotic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, asinine, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, silly, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, slow-witted, weak-minded for me to be here promoting.

I suppose you can suggest us something to us rather just

hi there
seriously paypal deposit for gambling site? is it instant deposit?

Since when does a muslim country allow online casinos ?

ahaha, I like your long sentence, really funny. Do you have a license, dude?

And what's btc exchange rate for your currency, you don't accept USD deposit right?

Good use of thesaurus.com. I didn't say your site was moronic. I said you'd be a moron to bet there.

So you'd like a suggestion? I thought that was perfectly clear in my first post.

Here's a suggestion: Be provably fair.

ok here is the first suggestion for free: before coming here asking for other's money, get used to the "unwritten" rules of crypto gambling.

1. if you're not provably fair, GTFO!

yes ofc you can offer a shitload of bonuses and stuff to lure people in, but discarding rule number 1 will stop you from being successfull and/or ever trusted in here.

I seriously doubt you're anyway near being professional.

edit: noob with self-moderated thread in gambling section? another clear no go.

edit2: not even a ssl-certificate? oh dear...

i don't know but i m not sure that accepting bitcoin and paypal in a casino online with not provably fair is a good think to bring people in your site you should think more about that before you post that i think your site reputation is going down  ;)

Just like the above posts mentioned, provably fair system is a must in the bitcoin gambling industry. And why should someone play on your new site when there are quite some established provably fair casinos?

a.Well this is not a web based casino. You still need to download the Playtech pc software or android version of the games.
b.We are not 100% bitcoin based casinos
c.Further info you can just directly contact our 24/7 chat available on the website.
d.i will have the IT to check on that. http://www.provablyfairplay.com/
e.We are not NEW.
f.Gambling is ILLEGAL FOR MUSLIM. NOT other races.
g.Paypal payment is Instant
10. Like i said...we just blend in to start accepting bitcoins.
11. We have demo account where u can login and have a look
12.I am not smart neither dumb as well.
13.I dont know if your professional..but what i can say...if you can setup these same platform like us..I totally salute you.
14.Again ...FURTHER QUESTIONS kindly ask the LIVE CHAT.They will assist you

More casino (in italy specially ) accept paypal for deposit (obviously later confirmation of id or passport). But i don't have understand, if i deposit in paypal i can withdraw only in paypal or already in bitcoin or other? Thanks

trying to get the criticism out of the public into your even more moderated realm?  ;D nice try, but won't happen.

Good point  :).
Anyhow provably fair play is must. And please note that players use bitcoin for its anonymity feature. Downloading a software is against that.

a.MUSLIMS ARE ILLEGAL TO GAMBLE.
MALAYSIA IS A MULTIRACIAL COUNTRY.



b.The concept of "provably fair" is only necessary for an online game being operated by an unlicensed operator.  (OK i AGREE)

If the games are regulated as is the case for legally operating physical casinos, then the games have been certified to not be able to change odds on the player or "fix" the results.  The math behind the game has been verified to be free of loopholes and gotchas.

My question to you ...

a. myabc88.com have the License to operate Playtech's 12Win , Newtown, AG Group, 1S Games, U9BET and MaxBet.The Platforms are Known Casino platforms in the World.Now my question is  concept of "provably fair" is really required? If yes Where should it applicable? All the Software are Direct license From respective gaming platforms where myabc88.com as the Licensed Operator.

You're definitely not licensed. Did some research and the only legal gambling allowed in Malaysia is in Genting Highlands(besides Da Ma Cai, and a few more lottery companies). Online site's are illegal and the country has blocked most of the online gambling sites.
As you said, it's illegal for muslim's to gamble, so why did malaysia block most major online casinos and sportsbook ????


I doubt paypal would allow any release of funds with what you're running.

Well it looks good and its great that you have started accepting BTC but can you tell us more about your casino, when was it established, how long has it been running etc. And if you want to compete with the other BTC Casinos then you'd have to make your games provably fair. That is the first concern of any gambler that there should be a way to verify the results so there is no way to casino to alter them in any way. So it's good that you're taking this seriously and I hope you can adopt this in all of your games.

Also, Do you accept players from all over the world? Some of the Bitcoin Casinos don't as there are some legal issues, so have someone look into that and clear us about it here.

a.James...no research is needed.I am staying here.And Genting highland is totally different and way out of the topic discussed here.
Malaysia doesn't prohibit other race to gamble.If i am doing illegal..means your saying Playtech and the rest platforms are also illegal.
Let me give u more site.... easyplay88.com / 2win88.com / live888asia.com / ucw88.com (among examplpes of established online gaming in malaysia) If you search at google playstore...the is SKY3888  ( gambling apps - m.sky3888a.com ) owned by malaysian.

b.The house(myabc88.com) is always the entity that is taking the liability / risk from the win on the bet placed by the player. Which generally means the operator who is running the financial operations takes the risk because all wins and risks are borne by the operator.

c.However if a game provider say Playtech 12win were to provided the same slot game with the same Progressive Jackpot across many different operators it would be the game provider that would generally take the liability for the win with the condition that all contributions to the Progressive Jackpot go to the Game Provider instead of to the Operator.

d.The game provider generally takes a cut of the nett win (Wagers - Wins) or on the revenue depending on the terms between the game provider and the
operator.

That site doesn't look to be informative or a good learning tool IMO. Instead, I would suggest you to ask your IT guys to check some of your competitors in bitcoin gambling industry, and see how their provably fair system works.

Your domain was registered 27-jun-2015, so what do you mean you were long established?
And if you are licensed why the whois info on your domain is empty?

Dude , if you're staying there you should know that you cant access most of the online casinos / sportbooks.

http://www.888sport.com/ try that for example  ;)

I tried opening some gambling sites using a malaysian IP and i got this message : check link attached



http://prntscr.com/89063i


Your move op  ;)


http://www.gamblingsites.org/laws/malaysia/ 

Why do all these domains have 88 in there addresses  :)?

WhoIs information of myabc88.com domain name registration


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Creation Date: 2015-06-27T06:12:00.00Z
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Registrant Organization: ACE BET CITY
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Registrant Street: JALAN WAWASAN 4/12
Registrant City: PUCHONG
Registrant State/Province: SELANGOR
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lol PayPal on an online casino?

Those are local , not known sites owned probably by a single owner. 88 is a lucky number for chinese imo, heard it somewhere before.

 LIEW CHEE LEONG, 114851080226 maybank , (why are you using a local malaysian personal bank account instead of a company account since you said you're 'registered'  ?)

I guess there is no restriction about who want to gamble, they will bear their risks. So why they can't even open a casinos? May be they already set everything to open online casinos and pay the taxes so its ok for them to open it. But I dont know is this provably fair or not

Thanks for the info. and good point.

Perhaps you can try to see their respective facebook pages for more enquiry. Not run by single person.Playtech dont give license to single owners. visit yescasino.net for reviews

Paypal as payment processor at online casino really that is shocking for me, that is much risky to use Paypal for gambling and your funds can get frozen so think seriously about it.

I could dig more and pass the info to their local authorities and let them figure out instead : ) since it's 'legal' then op shouldnt have anything to worry about. Everything screened and filed for evidence.

share the result with us as well  :)

will see where this thread leads to first. will give a chance to op to clarify things.

im malaysian, and im Chinese, 8888 yes ur right, its lucky number for chinese people,
As i know here malaysia have alot online casino that operated and all is ilegal but its different from genting highlands (legal),
online casino in malaysia is ilegal but only in country, for the people? who fuck care about that ilegal or not? im playing some online casino too here ( live only ) and earn some money too, they pay well and trusted..
yeah they use personal bank account of course, cant set up a online casino company since its ilegal to have online gambling in casino in malaysia.

There you go OP, proven by a Malaysian :) In conclusion , you have been lying about your registration status. This will affect payouts and possibly your local bank accounts freezed.

There is nothing being lied here.Its the facts.

a.You may gather more proofs - via direct contact for Play tech kiosk operators.
b.We have no issue of payouts..
c.Nobody give a fuck on illegal....since its called gambling.
d.Once your clarify With the major platforms about our existence...please let everyone here know.

You're mistaken , it has nothing to do with the platform , its regarding the local authorities. Playtech merely provides the gambling software and im pretty sure they dont give two shits on your legibility.
Yes players dont bother if its illegal or not, but you as an operator need to be legally registered. It'll fall under money laundering if you're not locally registered. That's why you see most of the casinos here are registered in the EU.

Why are you getting all worked up here ? lol.

James...wake up.What are you doing here then? If your against Gambling activities...i suggest you just keep quiet...because..i dont need to explain to you about rules and regulation.Your Status...as just a user.Unless you become kiosk operators like us.Then i feel its right to have you here.


I believe i did ask question earlier on...which no one has answered me yet.

I'm here as to shed some light on your soon to be customers. Running an illegal casino will cause you to have trouble cashing out and that will effect the customers payout especially when there's a local personal account involved, how long do you think till the banks realise the input and output of your accounts?

I personally am a gambler and that's is why I'm here. I'm also not new to all this and we've seen many scenarios where the op shuts down the website due to legality issues causing their customers loses.

James Lent - may i  ask you something? are you Interpol ? local authorities?
Seems your more interested to tip off local authorities for getting online casino providers here closed down.
Well seems your still far beyond the whole Picture. Let me share with you something.....Local authorities are well paid off . So please dont bother being a hero.

please checkup the malaysia online casino reviews...and perhaps u may find your answers there..


Have a Nice day

I dont give a shit about your website and how you operate. Im merely protecting the players as there's chances that your site would be shut down. With you speaking like this , now we all know you're not legally registered so you have a nice day and good luck  ;) Let the public decide.

Regards the banking....There is no restriction for input and output involves...
May i ask you....have bitcoins got anything to do with banking ?
what are you trying to tell?

I solely advice...do some research as there are many casino reviews sites,blacklisted site...before you want to join us.
Kindly note all the software are already Probably Fair.No issues with that.

if bitcoins have nothing to do with cashing them out then what use are they ? you're clearly new to bitcoins mate.

freudian slip?  ;D

Oh James....

Your getting angry so fast. Big casinos also have the risk of getting shutdown. That's why Gambling is Risk.
Anyways..i just openly advertise...and i understands some rivals casino operators are also available online and i also understand they will try to make other operators like shit in order to maintain their own sites.
Well i am aware of those dirty tactics -
Business Competitors...well public goes for better winning and good payouts sites.

If anyone tried our casino...and happen to cash out winnings ,kindly post up a review here...

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if bitcoins have nothing to do with cashing them out then what use are they ? you're clearly new to bitcoins mate.
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if bitcoins have nothing to do with cashing them out then what use are they ? you're clearly new to bitcoins mate.
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Well whatever....i was replying about you statement on malaysian banking.
Not cashing out bitcoins or bitcoin transactions.you were talking about payment accounts getting frozen mate.

Seems your in the blur now? May i speak Japanese with you?

i have played on hpwin and 12win and win quite much there, ;D
frankly speak never try on your guys service yet, maybe later when reach home i register and try it to deposit by BTC, see how its work.
but my concern is paypal, i believe paypal dont allowed any gambling related withdraw or deposit.

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Okay let me put it in a simpler way:

1. You're dealing with paypal and bitcoins. Your withdrawal address is linked to you personal local bank (maybank) account , so is your paypal.

2. To roll the funds, you definitely need to convert those paypal funds / bitcoins to fiat to roll them over to cover payouts and such.

3. When you do that, well maybe in the beginning you dont face any issues with you bank, but down along the road when your volume grows you'd be having a really hard time as it would red flag your personal bank account.

4. When your funds gets tied up, unabling you to roll and cover payouts, this will affect your customers.

Now thats what im trying to say here. Those casinos legally registered (mostly european) has no such issues as their bank accounts are based on their casino company. They pay taxes and such preventing issues such as their funds being frozen. In these few years, there were already quite a few casinos which had to shut down their sites due to this issue, causing their customers funds being locked and a huge loss to both the operator and owner.

So if you want to run it without any issues, you have to change your method of operation. Im not hindering your business and i'd be happy to spend my coins in your site too if everything is legit.

Totally valid points.

I can accept all explication, but really don't understand this: why a casinò with bitcoin, promote his service to forum with a "self moderate"thread?

A couple of questions,

How exactly did you manage to get license in Malaysia when Malaysia has blocked the casinos and sports books that they know about?

There are reports that your casino is not provably fair, how exactly can you say that you are not cheating players, and how do you know that each bet is fair?

Flash is very vulnerable to various attacks when someone is using it on the client side, and some companies have called for flash to entirely go away due to security issues. Why exactly are you using flash?

There have been a lot instances of malware being spread via files that people are being asked to download (or are tricked to download). As a result it is a bad idea to download something that is not from a very trustworthy source. Why exactly are you asking players to download and run something to play at your casino? This looks like you are trying to spread malware.

If there is no verifiable hash, it's not provably fair.

"Certified" by an independent company, accounting agency, or gambling association is NOT provably fair and any idiot who believes it is deserves to lose everything they risk.

Hey, guys, I now run a casino! I've been certified by FairCasino Inc, and reviewed by an independent accounting agency. Simply send me your money, I'll see if you've won and send back the winnings. You can trust me. I've certified.

Just because they have a slick website does not make their claim any more legitimate than the one I just made above.

We are Kiosk Operators.We dont host the games platform.


Look....can you clearify....Provably Fair Applies to websites or games that are hosted? Playtech 12win Software have player history whereby player can access it through  the games.WE DONT CONTROL ANY SLOTS OR REPROGRAM ANY CASINOS. AS FAR I KNOW...LIVE CASINOS ARE NOT CONDUCTED BY US..

As far i know we are Not  in control of the Servers and only involved in Financial Management.All Games are provided by Host Platform.
and never encounter any issues of downloading viruses.

REGARDING THE LICENSE FOR KIOSK YOU CAN CONTACT ME DIRECTLY...

ITS JUST SIMPLE...RATHER YOU JUDGE THE BOOK BY ITS COVER...HAVE A LOGIN.ITS FREE.. AND WE HAVE DEMO ID FOR YOU TO LOGIN ALL THE PLATFORMS PROVIDED.

It doesnt matter who you are or whatever software you are using. If you are striving to get into BTC gambling business here then simply implement provably fair mechanism at your site because that is pretty much industry standard around here.

Your site could be reputable in FIAT gambling but right here you are just a niche and newcomer, so better watch your step here as you dont want to piss few people off with your rudeness that is shown by your CAPITAL LETTER reply

P.S : just a friendly advice  ;)

CAN YOU GUIDE ME SINCE YOU HAVE CASINO....


a. how do i get license from Fair casino inc for Playtech Casino ?  ???


ANSWER : ???






Some infos for refer :  http://www.azonlinecasinos.com/101/casino-games-fairness.php
                                http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/content.php?r=131-accredited-casinos

I just hear online casino accept paypal, it will get trouble when deposit or withdraw. I mean as i know paypal not allowed for gambling

Stay away from this one guys. I'll post more later today.

Finally, a gambling site that accepts Paypal.  :)
I hope that withdraws to Paypal can be possible too.

Why casino online don't accept paypal ? In my country (i'm italian) all casino accept paypal

First Put in evidence if i traded with u ... then u put in feedback.Seems your choosing sides blindly. """ Hero Member """
If u don't have interest in supporting us...u may just leave....just because of your one negative feedback wont affect us.
We are already operating in Malaysia...Proudly.

We are not Forcing people around....and Paypal Is integrated because site kiosk is accepting Credit cards.

Claims to been around for awhile. Domain created on 2015-06-27.

Site is hosted by www.hostforweb.com.net - Seriously?

PayPal? LOL.

I have never traded with you. I'm just warning others to be VERY careful when playing and especially depositing through your site.

ACCEPTING CREDIT CARD AND PAYPAL IS THE PAYMENT PROCESSOR...(COMMON BRO...I HEARD ITALY ACCEPTS PAYPAL TOO)

SO WHERE IS YOUR SO CALLED PROOFS?? DOMAIN REGISTRATION DON'T PROOF ANYTHING.
UNLESS YOU HAVE JOIN US AND THE CS TEAM NEVER PROCESS YOUR DEPOSITS OR WITHDRAWAL THEN YOU CAN SAY OR POST YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS. OR PERHAPS REPORT ME FOR SCAM ACCUSATION.


 

why your sportbook not your main website because when i click directly to maxbet.com

why your sportbook not your main website because when i click directly to maxbet.com
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seriously this is your way to warn people ? this is not warn but your making people go away.Haters like you seems getting paid quite enough i suppose to do this jobs online> ....  btw where is the follow up? been hours waiting... or u have the hobby to simply give negative feedbacks like your trading partner quickseller ? oh ya..did some research ...seem quickseller or whoever he is has people open up scams reports...weird...seems no issue with you... lol.