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Have you also forgotten that I can use fiat for all of the above as well. Except with Bitcoin, ANYONE can follow the money trail and see if I am doing any of the above. Only certain people can see your money trail with fiat (unless you use cash which becomes much harder).

You also forgot that I can buy computer parts, computers, food, groceries, games, toys, and a whole bunch of other things that you can also buy with fiat.

It is pseudonymous actually. Which means that names are not associated with the addresses, but anyone can still see all of your transactions. So if someone figures out who is behind various addresses, he can see everything that person is spending money on, be it child porn, weapons, food, or video games.

And whose fault is that? Are you suggesting that banks can't be robbed or hacked and all of the money stolen? Are you suggesting that people's bank accounts can't be hacked and all of the money stolen? Bitcoin allows you to be your own bank, so you must also figure out PROPER SECURITY PRACTICES which banks must also do for fiat. Otherwise, you are at risk of being hacked. It's not Bitcoin's fault, its yours.

Nope. Not at all. But some also don't complain about it and others figure out how to solve the problem

Hundreds if not thousands of entrepreneurs operate and survive. There are many Bitcoin startups and they are doing just fine. Just take a look how some of the biggest Bitcoin companies are doing. Remember, many of them are small teams working on the project and only went up a few years ago to capitalize on this amazing new technology.

Well that isn't going to get you anywhere. Law enforcement isn't going to help. They neither have the time nor resources to deal with "magical internet money". Try asking people on this forum for help. There are many people here who are very experiences with tracking addresses and experienced in Bitcoin in general. Provide enough details (addresses, txids) and I'm sure several people will help you track down the thieves. It is unlikely you won't get the Bitcoin back, but the odds are higher than going to the CIA or the FBI for help.

How is it oriented towards criminality? The majority of transactions of Bitcoin are not for criminal or nefarious purposes, but rather for legitimate purposes like buying and selling goods. There are many successful legitimate Bitcoin businesses that are thriving.

So you propose the centralize Bitcoin? And what good would that do? Take a look at fiat. There are plenty of governing and enforcement agencies that attempt to prevent criminals from doing evil with fiat, but what good are they doing? Very little. Even with all of fiat's regulations, there are still more criminal and nefarious transactions that occur with fiat than do with Bitcoin.

I was not aware that you could file such a complaint with the CIA.

This also interested me.

Please explain how you filed a complaint with the CIA.

This interests me as well. I want to file complaints to CIA against some Alt coin devs. :)

This is also interesting:


Is this the link to the CIA forum?

Do you work for the CIA?  Where is this CIA forum you used?

He only has two posts, this one and a deleted one, it would also be interesting to see his deleted post.

No donations to his "cause" yet either:

https://blockchain.info/address/16aUA68RwMBzznqczK6QJvKEoByPSCQLWM

You can certainly contact them on their website, but I don't know how to file a complaint with them or what forum it was that he linked to.

I think I can understand your frustration here, I think everyone can really but you are kind of missing the point and it is quite a big one. Bitcoin is built around trust or more correctly the lack of trust. It is built on the premise that you can trust no one, not the CIA, the FBI, the banks, other criminals and in your case, not even yourself and to be honest there are very few people that are capable of trusting themselves because it is the Wild West out there. I think knightdk provided you with a rational reply and some good advice. You could now go on to help make sure that what happened to you does not happen to others and remember why you thought BTC was such a good idea in the first place. I’m sure you can find an ALT that has registered addresses and all the participants are happy with that but I think you will have an impossible time convincing the bitcoin community in its entirety that this is the way forward and that should be blatantly obvious considering recent discussion.

wanting a non state controlled currency, yet running to the state at the slightest hint of trouble   ???

think you'd best stick to fiat in future.

So you demonize Bitcoin, because of your security mistakes? You demonize the coin you hoped to clone and make money off of, because you fucked up? Anonymous tips to the CIA/FBI won't do much in terms of your attacker returning the stolen funds....

the HUGE positive to bitcoin is it puts you in charge of your own money, the downside to this is it puts you in charge of your own money  :o

You forgot your tl;dr - "I didn't secure my coinz and now I gots no munneyz. u r all thiefs and pedos."


Honestly I can understand why you're mad, but come on dude. If you dropped your wallet in Times Square without any kind of protection or ID would you really be surprised when it was emptied? Encrypt, freeze, take offline. Bitcoin seems to be extremely safe if you just take care of your property.



EDIT: Oh wait, i just noticed you made your account just to complain. I call bull crap. Never happened.

I call bull crap too. It is probably a bs story that is trying to get the guy some Bitcoin donated to his address. Basically just an elaborate cover up for some begging.

YEA! A governing body that monitors and protects Bitcoin! We can call it the FED! O wait we already have that....


On a side note I saw a letter drafted to the "CIA" circulating on Twitter with the same " czechcrowncoin" name. Didn't need to read it after I saw the name "czechcrowncoin".

Around the part of the city I live in there are a lot of people asking me for spare change, spare cigarettes (even though I don't smoke) and now people are asking me for money online. What has this world come to? Everyone wants something for nothing.

Bitcoins largest strength is also it's biggest downfall, anonymity can be a blessing and a curse.

This is the same OP who put forward a proposal for cooperation from the CIA for his alt coin, so I don't think any balanced view of Bitcoin's needs will be likely.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148744.0

this

Yes. There is risk when you manage your money by yourself

Well countered. I agree with most of your counters. I appreciate your job!!

I miss the days where there were a newbie jail, that would have prevented all these sorts of bull crap easily.

Have to agree that this is a major point when it comes to not just bitcoin but money in general. In some countries people will kill for $10, that is unfortunately the world we live in and you have to adapt accordingly.

Bitcoin is not the problem here and neither is the eco system it operates within, its the human factor.

Great delusion. But that don't justify all the bad words about bitcoin. Your problems or the supposed problems of bitcoin mentioned by you are not the fault of the existence of bitcoin. Bitcoin is a wonderful technology which have all its brilliant future ahead. The other things are only words.

Nice try Hillary.

Another 1 post wonder shill account to bad mouth Bitcoin.  ::) How many of you have reported their credit cards being stolen by online sites that was supposedly hacked? These things happen with other payment

systems too.. in my opinion Bitcoin restrict these people from cleaning your account, IF you use it in the correct manner. Do your homework and you will not get burned, it's as simple as that.  ;)

Now that you lost money on criminals and possibly some foolish financial decisions... you want to come here and burn the place down for all the people who use it for legitimate reasons?

Do not hide behind a "One post" newbie account, and think you can post rubbish on this forum... We will consider serious debate on matters like this, if we have the facts... We will even give advice to prevent this

from happening again or people with hacking skills will help you trace these people.... but to come here and bad mouth Bitcoin, was the wrong move.  >:(

Hmm yeah, USD and other Fiat currencies are not used to do the following:

"Money laundering, drugs, child pornography and weapons."

 ::) ::) ::)

I wonder if the OP is aware the CIA is not a Law Enforcement Agency?? He is probably distraught after losing his .003 BTC he had been saving for a year.....

yes must be regulated the money into the fact the used for terror proposes its can decline the world soo no much people will use it for Russian and china bad proposes like this we need the USA/euro/japan to put hand on this in order for bitcoin be a credible valorous currency.

Hi, This is CIA_

We are here to inform you guys please..

"DONT FEED THE TROLLS"

This is Rule No. 7 - For more explanation of the above rule and others, kindly follow this link:

>>
Modern Rules of the Internet (http://opuscules.com/?p=56)<<

^^^That pretty much sums it up.
Thanks for posting that so that I don't have to  :P

That just sounds like a tantrum painting bitcoin dark and a criminal haven from your own experience. The best person to cover your ass is yourself, no one will care for it more than yourself and your close family. You just only need to devote time, research on security and common sense not to expose your wallet and assets to hackers and scammers. If you put an important investment in cryptocoins you're expected to put the same effort in securing it. Or hire someone trustworthy and competent enough to take charge of the task.


Banks are subject to hacking the same way or more likely than the bitcoin network. Accumulation of money always have attracted and will attract criminals wanting to steal it. Just read the news and see how two 14 years old teenagers were capable of hacking ATM in their free time at school, and told the bank about it, or how Kaspersky discovered how billions were robbed from a network of many banks through a clever hack by an unknown group. Most of those news never get to mainstream media because of the damage to banks' public image they can do. They're in any way no more secure than bitcoin network, in any case less because the bitcoin network is a collaborative effort and security flaws can be addressed by the community instead a centralized governing body. The only difference is that banks are more powerful entities than particular citizens and able to take the loss. You're only wanting that somehow someone takes charge of your mistakes just like a immature child.


If it can happen to you it can happen to anybody who's not careful enough to secure their assets offline or, out of their own greed, do trust any scammer that knocks on their door. Most of the succesful scams related to bitcoin were caused by the greed of the victims trusting offers too good to be true. Why haven't you explain how you lost all your bitcoins? Perhaps are you ashamed of how you lost them?
Anything related with money is subject of fraud and even with supervisory bodies victims many times are not compensated, ponzi schemes victims almost never get compensated even when the criminal is apprehended by the justice because all the money dissapear in the cayman islands (for example). Are you still believing in fairy tales and supervisory bodies? Maybe nobody told you yet that Santa Claus is our parents?

when i first saw bitcoin. i research about it and all. then obviusely the safety of our coins is not that good. we dont even have  a police that will get the bad guys. but. since almost all of us know this.. it is for you to take the risk or not. until they develop the safetiest method to keep your coins.

The whole point is to remove trust and authority, so of course there is no police. It is to be your own bank and do your own security and due diligence. If you have done your research, then you should know that the safest ways to keep your Bitcoin are either on hardware wallets, offline computers, or paper wallets.

 ok yeah i know.. but do  you think you can prevent hackers?  lolz... i think in the future it is better also that we will have a security online. .. because in today.. once you got hack by hackers. you cannot do anything about it. even they already rob you or something. unlike when we have security. some hackers will watch out for their moves before hacking.

They can't hack something that isn't and never was online. They can only attempt to bruteforce the private keys but that will take an incredibly long time.

Bitcoin 'anonymity' is only problem for uneducated people and for control freaks. If you think about it you realize that standard FIAT money is far more anonymous and crime friendly that bitcoin ever was.
Paper money are totally untraceable and anonymous after all. Argument, that bitcoin is evil, because it can be used to buy prohibited goods etc. is ridiculous.

How u lose your bitcoins.
Whether it got hacked or being stolen illegally by someone.
Which wallet did you used.

You were hacked because you are an idiot that can't take care of his own computer to keep his own money safe. And you invested in some shitcoin #43894239 because you are an idiot that cannot discern from scams to real investments. Result: Bitcoin protocol still flawless but you aren't flawless, you committed mistakes and you paid for those mistakes. Stick to fiat if you don't want to be responsible for your own actions my friend.

You should have kept your wallet safe.
You can't go against this community.

No need to try and help him.  He did not want actual help.  He just created the account for the sole purpose of making this trolling post.  He won't be back.  Ever.

I was thinking the same thing, it's like putting a big wad of cash on your cars dashboard and then blaming cash in general for getting stolen.

OP if you don't take care of your own BTC, thats meant to happen. If you don't want to take care of your BTC; then go to xapo, learn about it and store your BTC there, and they take care of your BTC for you.
Trying to get your money back because you invest it in an altcoin that fails is another history.

Anything that has nothing to do with money laundering, drugs, child pornography and weapons is not money

Well this was an interesting thread to read!! :)

How much FUD in the OP's opening post. And the most amazing thing is that he left his bitcoin address so we can donate him for this that he has written. I don't know why this was necessary if he is so disappointed in Bitcoin.

The bottom line is that this is a new technology that needs to be improved a lot to be used on the day to day basis by the ordinary people. The thing that needs to be improved the most is of course the security.

We all know this and if you cannot write something to support us OP, please don't write a FUD to put us down.

You forgot extortion.

PS: Money laundering and drugs are not bad things. Your brain was just washed.

This is not the place for the naive.


False.  You have an extremely high opinion of your abilities.

Everybody is just jumping on the troll like it's their own fault something got stolen. In the example above it's foolish to blame cash in general. It's equally wrong to blame the careless person that kept in a very unsafe way (though they did fuck up, I agree with that). How about we start blaming the criminals?

We could blame the criminals, but what is that going to do? If people don't realize that part of it is their fault for bad security, then they aren't going to change things and criminals are going to steal it. If something is exploitable, someone's going to exploit it.

And that's the real problem. And it has zero to do with bitcoin.

Bitcoin will always get its reputation dampered because of the darknet. That's no excuse to undermine its technology or concept. You could argue that fiat currencies are used to money launder, purchase drugs, ect. Bitcoin has multiple sides to it. Because it's used for some illegal purposes doesn't mean it's a "criminal's currency". Bitcoin has been used for many different purposes that are completely legal and moral. You can't cherry pick the negatives that the users use it for and blame the currency.

You've forgotten that you can buy some online stuff on internet safely and fast like i was did


why do you just see from the negative side, i could even build a business which is oriented towards criminality with fiat,there are some possitive thing that you can make with bitcoin, bitcoin and other crypto still developed to make them as perfect