Bitcoin Forum

Da Dice has decided to auction the site sighting lack of time and personal reasons.

This auction thread is made by me, acting as an agent on their behalf.
Disclosure: I do get a small share if the sale goes through.

---

https://dadice.com

Starting bid:
300BTC

Minimum bid increment:
25BTC

Escrow mandatory.

Payment only in Bitcoin.

Auction ends on:
30th September 2015, or after 24 hours from last bid whichever is later.

Post you bid here.
Alternatively, you can PM dadice for private bids/offers.
Contact info :
Bitcointalk Profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=444316

---

Player and investor balances are safe.
If the auction or sale reaches a conclusion, it will be announced publicly and all stakeholders will be notified.
Further details, if any, will be announced at a later stage when the agreement is made.

Da Dice reserves the right to cancel the auction if required.

---

The investor bankroll can be privately funded or publicly funded post-sale.


Details:

• Public launch on 1st March 2015.
• Screenshot.
  
  Customizable elegant Player User Interface.
  
  
  https://i.gyazo.com/af8ee72c338ec8c5abad77308f613455.png
  
  Great graphics. Themes available.
  
  http://s3.postimg.org/lnd73n2v7/Screenshot_23.png
  
  
  
• Da Dice is also #1 keyword for search terms "Da Dice" and "dadice".
  Also is a shorter domain name when compared to primedice.com, just-dice.com or satoshidice.com.
  
  
  http://s23.postimg.org/gxfsnguyz/Screenshot_2.png (https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=da%20dice%2C%20just-dice%2C%20justdice%2C%20primedicee%2C%20satoshidice)
  
  
  http://s3.postimg.org/l8jsmoh1f/Screenshot_3.png
  
  
  
• Separate Real-time Statistics site that goes with it.   https://stats.dadice.com/
  
  Every roll, Every player. Fully transparent. Can't get any better than this.
  
  
  http://s8.postimg.org/3opb9qptx/Screenshot_13.png | http://s15.postimg.org/ik81kh2uj/Screenshot_14.png
  
  http://s2.postimg.org/iwfqrezqh/Screenshot_21.png
  
  Using the site, you can check details of any player, any roll, total rolls, total wagered, current bankroll, and revenue.
  You can also check the leaderboard, jackpot statistics, verify rolls, and it also adds as an archive of every roll ever made.
  
  
  http://s24.postimg.org/7era8wzgl/Screenshot_4.png
  
  
  
• General statistics.
  
  
  http://s9.postimg.org/arwzwzpqn/Screenshot_5.png
  
  Over 11,000BTC in just 6 months right after launch. This is despite the fact that the push was given to getting more players and rolls in the ongoing phase.
  
  
  http://s15.postimg.org/sdv69lwob/Screenshot_7.png
  
  Established player base.
  
  Around 100-200 players online at any time.
  
  Over 800 million rolls.
  Rolls per minute around 8,000, when the roll bounty is near it goes up as much as to 11,000+. rpm for PD is around 12,000.
  
  Industry standard 1% house edge.
  
  
  
• Two interfaces. Full and Lite.
  
  
  http://s28.postimg.org/n5fb2wa4d/2d20a3c5d478296bbed0d922d76226d7.png
  
  
  
  
• Altcoin Support. Through Shapeshift.io integration.
  
  Players can deposit and withdraw in altcoins. All major altcoins supported. No requirement to maintain bankroll in any other currency. (Of course, you can change it if you like)
  
  
  http://s4.postimg.org/q45dsm1nx/Screenshot_8.png | http://s24.postimg.org/swp3h556t/Screenshot_22.png
  
  
  
  
• Social. Fun. Awesome. :)
  
  
  Upload your own avatar! Chat with players.
  
  http://s3.postimg.org/jba935wlf/Screenshot_41.png
  
  

  1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111[/font] http://s29.postimg.org/qj5i70to7/Screenshot_32.png | http://s10.postimg.org/u2vzsunph/Screenshot_28.png http://s28.postimg.org/n5gthqbt9/download.png

  http://s9.postimg.org/qj7o36r1r/Screenshot_44.png

  
  Add friends. Check friends list.
  
  http://s29.postimg.org/c5b9j8a47/Screenshot_17.png
  
  Challenge someone!
  
  http://s28.postimg.org/53zpbt4fx/Screenshot_26.png | http://s16.postimg.org/yqi17uj91/Screenshot_29.png
  
  http://s4.postimg.org/95kd0cjql/Screenshot_31.png
  
  
  
  
• Faucet.
  
  http://s29.postimg.org/o5eu7whfb/Screenshot_18.png
  
  
  
• Meteor shower.
  
  http://s22.postimg.org/n68npjzxd/Screenshot_19.png
  
  
  
• .

  11111111111111111111111111111111111111 Strong nonce-based provably fair system. http://s1.postimg.org/7mzj2g9xr/Screenshot_20.png Verify rolls. http://s24.postimg.org/w99mqhqsl/Screenshot_42.png

  Third party verifier. http://s4.postimg.org/3p0jhadt9/Screenshot_43.png (http://dicesites.com/dadice/verifier)

  
  
  
• .

  111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 Pilot mode. http://s13.postimg.org/jqk1gojnr/Screenshot_24.png

  111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 Burst mode. Make many rolls in a single click. http://s12.postimg.org/tf006n1al/Screenshot_25.png

  
  
  
  
  
• Loads on just anything!
  
  
  http://s24.postimg.org/47ja4rl5x/Screenshot_47.png | http://s21.postimg.org/43vr97zc7/Screenshot_49.png
  
  
  
  
• Levels. As a player levels up, faucet increases, and affiliate per cent share increases.
  
  
  http://s28.postimg.org/9yyg77931/Screenshot_35.png
  
  
  

  1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 Milestones. http://s24.postimg.org/gw9mga1z9/Screenshot_36.png

  Affiliate program. From 2% to 30%. http://s9.postimg.org/3xqz68j2n/Screenshot_34.png

  
  
  
• Bots.
  
  Most recommended.
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1135816.0 | AutoDice (API and Ajax modes).
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307425.0 | Seuntjie's Bot.
  
  
  
• Jackpot.
  
  
  http://s13.postimg.org/uwqfa59p3/Screenshot_46.png
  
  
  
• And more!

Thank you :)

before anyone gets lured into buying this deah horse by false promises. the site is for sale since the "management" fucked up its own buisness from the very beginning and didn't make a single BTC profit since its launch.

To be more specific then my "lol" post that was apparently not specific enough.

---

It is obviously a bad idea to bid on this site, there is basically zero actually gambling volume meaning that any bidder is unlikely to start making any significant amount of BTC from players' gambling losses without first doing additional marketing. DaDice is involved in a large amount of controversy and I would not be surprised if there would be a claim that they were cheating players after a potential sale.

There is also the issue that it would be difficult to actually prove the ownership changed so preexisting controversy and skepticism would remain.

With that being said, I might be willing to toss up a bid if they can prove their current bankroll. :D

Sad to see the thread being hijacked.

---

Baseless accusation with malicious intent.

You can check : https://stats.dadice.com/ for statistics.
Revenue at the moment is around 81BTC. :)




Total wagered on the site is 11,772BTC.
This has been achieved, even though:
1. The push was given to getting more players in the initial phase.
2. A mysterious bunch of people kept harrasing DD. (The buyer can avoid this)

The buyer is free to make their bankroll address public if he so wishes.

Honestly, everyone prefers someone of good repute and/or good track record to take over the site. :)



That is the second time you are lying. Can you confirm that you will?

Sure, if the bankroll can be proven then I would certainly consider tossing up a bid.

not baseless nor malicious. check their marketing expenses for the sig campaign alone which exceeds 60BTC, now add all the other expenses they've claimed so far and you'll see that the site is heavily in the red despite all that btc thrown out the window. we covered that topic before on the dadice thread, so this is no thread hijacking but rather a fair warning for everyone at the risk of being deceived. it's also known and has been discussed that their stats page isnt showing the full story. a good amount of traffic and wagered is also due to the faucet, so no real profit generated. and some players like their admin or dev who has one of the biggest wagered amounts on site isn't even showing up in the stats.

it is rather you who has malicious intents helping to sell a scam in spe.

Can you even sign an address with 300BTC? :P

"might be willing to" and "consider tossing". Give a guarantee if you can. The bid must be at least 300BTC as per the rules of auction.




Are you just stupid or what? Campaign was done by the current management, and they spent 60BTC on it. What is your problem with that if they are fine with it? It isn't your money, or was it? :P

Every roll is archived, public and fully transparent at stats.dadice.com.

Can't you just stop posting and mind your business?

I don't have 300BTC but I do have that much fiat and could buy BTC if necessary.

No I will not agree to put up a bid, I am only saying that I will consider placing one upon seeing proof of solvency of DaDice.

I also think it is extremely hypocritical that you are asking for proof of my ability to pay a potential auction bid when you consistently claim that DaDice should be trusted after they refused to prove their solvency.

Never expected you to.



As if you gave it. :P

Well QS can you explain me something, if he proves the ownership ( solvency ) of those funds as told by them, will you buy the site or at least BID , I think it doesn't matter even if they have that those much funds, because you wont be getting the funds from them, and apart from that you are getting working script and running site.

Was this post just to make sure you get the best from your signature which you auction often. I don't think a signature earner will ever buy a site or ever dream of it, unless the person pays you 10-30 btc a month for your signature.

If you had no intention to buy this site, you can simply post in scam accusions if you feel they cheated. Why spam here ?

I know I am bit new to tell you but that doesn't mean you will rule the forum with your own rules, don't neg rep me please . Hope you like to discuss things rather than getting rid of them.

Interested bidders are requested to contact dadice : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=444316 for queries, questions and everything else. :)

Understand that the only valid reason being discussed here is the proof of solvency and the buyer can disclose the signed cold wallet address as he prefers, since the current investors will be exiting.

Thanks :)

Like I said I will consider it. If I can look at their current ability to generate revenue and it is potentially going to be net cash flow positive for me over the long run then I may. However without proof of solvency then I would not even bother looking into it.

Please tell me how does the solvency matters to bidders ? they will get site , script and all I think but no funds from owner. I am curious in knowing this bro :)

Yes when mentioned in dadice thread in gambling section  that was right because gamblers were risking money and need solvency of funds, but why bidders need that ?

Very curious for the explanation bro :)

Solvency matters because it allows a potential bidder to determine the chances of claims of cheating coming out in the future. It would also allow a bidder to determine how reliable information from the current owners are....if they are lying about how much money they have then why should I believe their revenue numbers?

maybe I am stupid, but I'm certainly right with calling this one out  ;)

people should know the whole story, before throwing precious BTC out the window.

Okay please explain some more queries :)

So if someone provides solvency, then you sure he can't be wrong of telling about revenue from site ? I don't think so. Plus the site always said they can show revenue proofs.

The buyers needs to have brain and serious coders for him to check script and everything rather than blindly trust the owner, just because he provided solvency proof.

And if so, again why does solvency matters ?

Thanks for your informational replies :)

I personally gambled some funds there and never had any issues, all were smooth and swift from their side :) , so wonder why you jealous
sorry protective against them.

They would. But not your lies please. :P

To be honest, it is irrelevant for a bidder as riskDARK pointed out. And it also means the potential buyer can make things work better.




Okay, so you agree that dadice has no requirement to prove it to you who is not a bidder (or a player now*). Thanks. :)

*Sorry for your 1.2BTC loss a few months back. I hope they are completely unrelated.

By the way, ask PrimeDice to provide their cold wallet address. They must be completely unreliable and untrustworthy by now. :P

??? Why would it be a good idea to trust the "proof" of revenue when they are lying about other aspects of their site? Even if you can independently verify their revenue numbers, that doesn't mean that the revenue is not from their own gambling, and being dishonest about one thing is an indication they are going to be dishonest about other things as well.

To think otherwise is like believing someone who has a history of scamming when they say they aren't going to steal from you if you trust them with your money again. :D

I am surprised as to how many naive people are defending DaDice, and am surprised how much dust signature earning have such an influence on people.

This is just to confirm that this auction thread is indeed legitimate.

Thank you!

Ndnhc, if you guys truly want to sell the site, I'd suggest you clear up some things first.  It'll greatly increase your chances at making a sale...
riseDARK, the stats of the site could easily be fake.

LOL, I yet again point you to the fact that Da Dice never scammed anyone. :P

Get your facts right before you argue.

??? Why would it be a good idea to trust the "proof" of revenue when they are lying about other aspects of their site? Even if you can independently verify their revenue numbers, that doesn't mean that the revenue is not from their own gambling, and being dishonest about one thing is an indication they are going to be dishonest about other things as well.

To think otherwise is like believing someone who has a history of scamming when they say they aren't going to steal from you if you trust them with your money again. :D

I am surprised as to how many naive people are defending DaDice, and am surprised how much dust signature earning have such an influence on people.
[/quote]


Will you trust that if they prove funds solvency ? I guess not. And tell me how will you verify the revenue because admin can always gamble as mentioned by you, and on that basis no site should auction their site ?


They were not proved dishonest yet, if you ok I don't show your my balls does't mean you don't have buddy. So yes you can say they had not proved but at the same side you can't all them scammer on that basis.

Yes if a member can prove they failed to process a withdrawal I will be happy to cal them scammer.

Can't edit..


Liar! Give me one, just one case.. How can you lie like this?

Do you get paid by competition? (I thought you didn't till today)
What is your motive here? I doubt it is hardly anything to do with what you pretend to.

I don't understand how so many people have been promoting such a shady site without receiving negative trust. It seems that tomatocage, quickseller and Vod have been asleep at the wheel.

Of course it is a bad idea to bid on this. If you are going to spend 300 then it would be smart to start one from scratch instead of relying on shady operators to give you code that has gotten hacked and stolen from multiple times.

You can't be more wrong. The whole thing is a projected speculation because of the proof of solvency issue. Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.
I understand that you are not aware of majority of the facts.

Thank you for your comment. :)
ndnhc

>I understand that you are not aware of the majority of the facts.

This is something I was told by another scammer when he was trying to explain to me why I should not think he is a scammer. I am aware of the facts, and I fully understand that it would be a bad idea to trust any money with DaDice. This is apparently a common distraction tactic used by scammers to talk their way out of admitting guilt.

>Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.

This is exactly what every new user in the lending section and in the currency exchange section says when they say they are not scammers. It may *technically* be true, however that does not mean they will not scam given the opportunity. Not that I am assured that no one has been scammed by DaDice....if they have, they probably simply have not noticed.

From the looks of things, one of two things is happening

• 1) They are trying to fake a sale so that more players/investors will be willing to trust them with money. This is suggested by the fact that a new giveaway/promotion was started one day prior to the sale being announced, and is going to continue even though the site is for sale.
• 2) They are trying to sell their unprofitable site for an absurd amount of money so they can receive the money they were hoping to scam but were unable to do so. It seems that they allowed people to continue to invest additional money despite their claim they were no longer going to do so in order to get out of having to show proof of solvency
• 3) Maybe they do not care which one of the above they want to do as long as they can do either one of them

I do think you have a lot more involvement in DaDice then just being their "signature campaign operator". This is shown by the fact that you are now trying to sell their site for them, that you are answering questions in their thread, and clearly have intimate knowledge of their operations/financial situation.

I think you should stop promoting DaDice immediately because I think you promoting them and working for them is making you a scammer. 

Strange. I mistook your identity. hmm, sorry, that may not be applicable to you.

Why should they fake a sale? AFAIK, if I were him, I wouldn't attempt it, since all this would be expected. At least those two who posted first. I have no idea where you came from.

Initial expenses are expected to be high. They do have the potential. Take say Quickseller bids, he buys the site, makes the address public, what happens? QS is not the only one around is it?

My question is, if you don't trust the current owners, or promoters why don't you let someone else take over?

Oh boy, perspective matters.

To me, I believe Da Dice has the funds. Your claim is based on just that. You assume they don't have the funds, and that is why it is a scam. What if they were holding the funds in fiat? What if they were holding funds in a different instrument altogether? What if the funds were invested somewhere safe instead of the volatile bitcoins?

If you had attacked PrimeDice right when they started, they couldn't have grown big.

I support DD because I believe they are wrongly accused, at least for the solvency thing that is the only solid thing you are claiming about. I have the right to, and I will continue my support.

I do trust Da Dice more than I trust Quickseller anymore.  8)

ALEXA rank of this site is 340,000 .. should tell you something (couple hundred hits per day of traffic, at most)

It is ~60k monthly pageviews

https://i.imgur.com/IXKwmmr.png?1


It is expected because they are the only competitor for this keyword. Estimated traffic is ~300 monthly searches.

Yes, that is correct. DD is the only major competition for the keywords. :)

I am a quite interested in this as it certainly seems like a much better site than the bit777 I was originally looking at, and at a lower price.

However the clouds over dadice's legitimacy give me pause. I'm trying to look for a reasonable explanation for why dadice would be willing to destroy its credibility both to serious players and a potential buyer if it truly did have the bankroll/solvency, but such an explanation eludes me. I don't think this is a fatal flaw, as with a new solvent management (who can prove solvency) this can be resolved), but it would be nice to hear the fully story, even if it was as simple as "We thought it was a white-lie to say we had 500 BTC bankroll, but then backed ourselves into a corner when people started demanding we prove it. However, we never missed a payment"


Regardless, what I'm most interested in is some actual data on the expenses to date, especially on knowing the ballpark of faucet costs. But the total spent away in jackpots, advertising and other operating costs would go a long way to establishing the sites value.

PM sent. :)

Da Dice accept that they have a 500BTC bankroll. (the current amount shown of 850BTC+ is after-kelly).

You can get all the details directly. :)

Thanks for your interest.
ndnhc

Still on auction! :)

A potential buyer has a lot of advantages if he choose to buy Da Dice. :)

It is preferred that the buyer is trustworthy in the community and/or has a proven track record.
As I said, signing an address requires both of these conditions to be satisfied, which is not possible in many cases.
1. All the bankroll should be held fully in Bitcoins.
2. The bitcoins should be held in a few addresses. Also, the addresses should be fully controlled by the owner.

Also understand that:
1. Proving the bankroll does not guarantee safety of the funds.
2. Not providing a signed address does not make any site a scam. As already said, it is not possible in all cases, for instance, take a casino holding funds in fiat to counter volatility, or a site that has it in a different instrument, or invested in a safe place or something.
It is not always able to disclose everything like that, and you are expected to value an individual's privacy.
3. Proof of solvency is irrelevant for this auction because the new buyer is free to make his own decisions on this aspect.
The buyer is free to make the bankroll address public.
This is true, because even trustworthy sites like PrimeDice hesistate to make their cold wallet addresses public.
4. Da Dice has never scammed anyone or attempted to.
5. Any potential buyer will be made aware of all the facts. You don't have to hijack every Da Dice thread besides adding negative trust to make your point.
6. Any potential bidders are very welcome to discuss anything with us.

I hope you understand.
Thanks :)

I think DaDice is wasting its time with this auction thread.

300BTC is an absurd starting price for a site which still has not disclosed its NET MONTHLY PROFITS.

Are there even profits?

Could you provide some information about the net profit and the set amount of Bitcoin from March to August?

If you are an interested buyer, you can get all the details directly.

From https://stats.dadice.com/.
Overall Statistics
 TOTAL ROLLS: 875,074,185
 TOTAL MEMBERS: 18,578
 AVERAGE DAILY ROLLS: 4,654,650
 TOTAL WAGERED: 11795.55850097 BTC
 TOTAL PAYOUT: 11713.79197539 BTC
 CURRENT BANKROLL: 931.0949 BTC
 REVENUE: 81.76652558 BTC

* All data is real-time.

I don't have that data. Please wait.

Thanks :)

Hi,

All the details will be shared with potential buyers.

Bump.  8)

You have PMs waiting, mate. :)

6 months of operation.

919 million rolls. 11,800BTC wagered, 19,000 members.  8)

---

Starting bid. 300BTC.

---

The daily bump.

6 months 10 days of operation.

926 million rolls. 11,900BTC wagered, 19,080 members.   8)

---

Starting bid. 300BTC.

---

The daily bump.

Hi,

Auction is closed, and sale has just concluded. Da Dice is on transitional phase. :D

Thank you :)
ndnhc