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Excellent attempt at avoiding the question. As a moderator, you are part of the problem by allowing security and banking fraud to thrive on this forum.

I began visiting this forum a few months ago, and since I have been here I have been baffled by the proliferation of banking and security scams and frauds. Every "business" I have looked at has been nothing more than a poorly hidden scheme to seperate fools from their money.

So, why do you think scams are operated so freely here? Lack of moderation on the forum? A community to greedy to care? Is it just the anonymity and the (until recently) lack of punishment and law enforcement?

Why shouldn't the forums (and bitcoin overall) be shut down? Why shouldn't a central authority be set up to tackle the frauds that are so endemic in this community?

Me? I don't allow anything, I have no powers to allow or disallow anything that doesn't fall on the spam category(and your first posts in this forum fall on that category, so prepare yourself to see them vanish).
Sorry about that. You need to find some other scapegoat(lol)

I began visiting this forum a few months ago, and since I have been here I have been baffled by the proliferation of banking and security scams and frauds. Every "business" I have looked at has been nothing more than a poorly hidden scheme to seperate fools from their money.

So, why do you think scams are operated so freely here? Lack of moderation on the forum? A community to greedy to care? Is it just the anonymity and the (until recently) lack of punishment and law enforcement?

Why shouldn't the forums (and bitcoin overall) be shut down? Why shouldn't a central authority be set up to tackle the frauds that are so endemic in this community?

As a moderator, you are part of the problem by allowing security and banking fraud to thrive on this forum.

I began visiting this forum a few months ago, and since I have been here I have been baffled by the proliferation of banking and security scams and frauds. Every "business" I have looked at has been nothing more than a poorly hidden scheme to seperate fools from their money.

So, why do you think scams are operated so freely here? Lack of moderation on the forum? A community to greedy to care? Is it just the anonymity and the (until recently) lack of punishment and law enforcement?

Why shouldn't the forums (and bitcoin overall) be shut down?

Why shouldn't a central authority be set up to tackle the frauds that are so endemic in this community?

Go shut down the U.S. Dollar. It's involved in far larger and far more numerous scams and illegal transactions than Bitcoin ever has.

You can try to silence me all you want, it wont fix your broken community, it wont get all those victims their money back, and it wont stop me from saying what needs to be said.

I began visiting this forum a few months ago, and since I have been here I have been baffled by the proliferation of banking and security scams and frauds. Every "business" I have looked at has been nothing more than a poorly hidden scheme to seperate fools from their money.

So, why do you think scams are operated so freely here? Lack of moderation on the forum? A community to greedy to care? Is it just the anonymity and the (until recently) lack of punishment and law enforcement?

Why shouldn't the forums (and bitcoin overall) be shut down? Why shouldn't a central authority be set up to tackle the frauds that are so endemic in this community?

Cant tell, FUD or Micon with a new strategy.

There is also a third option: an actual SEC agent who's never used the Internet before,

that would be rare: "SEC staffers watched porn as economy crashed" http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-23/politics/sec.porn_1_sec-employees-sec-spokesman-john-nester-inspector-general

that would be rare: "SEC staffers watched porn as economy crashed" http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-23/politics/sec.porn_1_sec-employees-sec-spokesman-john-nester-inspector-general

They could browse MPEX and combine work and play.

They could browse MPEX and combine work and play.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0

Is this acceptable to the community? (To be clear, this is an incomplete list as far as I can tell)

How much money needs to be stolen before the community accepts that there is a problem?  Some of you get it, others still want to be part of the problem, apparently.

Yes, people get scammed with anything of value. Sane communities try to stop the scammers; this community actively promotes them and allows them to thrive.

Look at the disclaimer over the lending forum and tell me this forum doesn't promote scammers.

Why shouldn't the forums (and bitcoin overall) be shut down? Why shouldn't a central authority be set up to tackle the frauds that are so endemic in this community?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0

Is this acceptable to the community? (To be clear, this is an incomplete list as far as I can tell)

How much money needs to be stolen before the community accepts that there is a problem?  Some of you get it, others still want to be part of the problem, apparently.

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

The first line in the disclaimer shows how complicit the moderator's are in the criminal acts performed on this forum. The amount of mental gymnastics it takes to ignore this fact is, quite frankly, amazing.

In the eyes of the law, this makes them conspirators. Not to mention this whole forum could face penalties under the RICO act for protecting and promoting the criminals that fill the lending and securities forum.

The first line in the disclaimer shows how complicit the moderator's are in the criminal acts performed on this forum.

In the eyes of the law, this makes them conspirators. Not to mention this forum could face penalties under the RICO act for protecting and promoting the criminals that fill the lending and securities forum.

The first line in the disclaimer shows how complicit the moderator's are in the criminal acts performed on this forum. The amount of mental gymnastics it takes to ignore this fact is, quite frankly, amazing.

In the eyes of the law, this makes them conspirators. Not to mention this forum could face penalties under the RICO act for protecting and promoting the criminals that fill the lending and securities forum.

Hardly.  First off, this forum isn't under USA jurisdiction, necessarily.  The site's domain is registered in Canada, and can you even prove where the server is located?  If not, you are talking out of yer butt.  A "central authority" for something that was designed to be decentralized and international intentionally... would require the cooperation of the entire community, and I'm pretty sure a large portion of it is not in the USA at all, neither the scammer, nor the victim.

And you are missing the blatantly obvious:  the moderators are not removing *likely* scams.  That says nothing about *known* scams, which others have already stated are ruthlessly removed.  And, if you truly are an SEC agent (which I doubt), you are partially to blame for the scams that are propagated on the US stock market and bond markets daily.  It is your job to root them out, and yet they happened.  So maybe you should face penalties under the RICO Act yourself.

Dangling US law over the heads of all is precisely why the desire and need for bitcoin came to be and is so strong.  We want our resources controlled by us, and to be able to take the risks WE are OK with taking, not to be told by Big Brother that we must go through their system, and have them scam us instead.

Please go back under your bridge, troll.

The fact people belive that guy is an SEC agent is why there is a warning on the forum  :P

In my oppinion if you get scammed, its completely your own fault. i mean I'm very new to bitcoins, but isnt the first rule for trading with bitcoins to only interact with people you trust? So this forum should build a web of trust, or rate offers, so that new users can tell if someone is trustworthy or not.

That just doesn't work. I strongly suspect you actually don't believe it and are just trying to make some kind of rhetorical point. But if you honestly don't understand why, you are very, very new.

The problem is that there is no reliable way to tell who to trust, especially when dishonest people can create reams of shills. Also, scams like Ponzi schemes pay out reliably until the one day they collapse. So even a history of on-schedule generous payments verified by the most reliable people doesn't mean you can trust someone.

Also, while you certainly can blame the victim of a scam for falling for the scam, it's important to point out that this in no way reduces the blame that justly falls on the perpetrator of the scam.

Why are people even attempting to invest bitcoins anyway?  Isn't it a deflationary currency?  "Be your own bank?"

a simple traceroute to the IP address that this domain resolves to shows that the server is sitting in Dallas, TX area....
so it is operating in the good old US of A.

Welcome to global government.

Amount of suspicious activities here is just amazing. Complete unknown persons are allowed to freely post and attract visitors to their websites.

Yes, and if it became an issue, I'm sure it could be migrated in a matter of hours to a server somewhere else.  Somewhere out of the reach of this Big Brother, and into the reach of another.  Either way, there's no lasting jurisdiction, especially with the registrar being out of the USA.

You are naive if you believe that governments don't cooperate with each other on a major scale.  

Of course you are gullible enough to believe that this forum doesn't actively promote and protect criminals, so I'll throw you a bone.

Google "United Nations" and educate yourself. Hell, google "European Union" while your at it. Then come back and tell me that governments don't cooperate. Since we have a global economy, the nations of the world are forced to work together to solve problems on an international scale.

Frankly, I am amazed you do not know that.

Keep thinking that the us governments reach doesn't exceed us soil.  Even if you ignore the fact that our government works very closely with government agencies in foreign countries, you still have to account for extradition laws. If the government wants you, they will get you eventually. You cant hide in Ecuador or some other non extradition country forever, even assange will be caught eventually and brought to justice. Criminals and the organizations that support them can only escape the governments reach for so long.

Welcome to global government.

All Assange proves is that when it comes to someone moving against them, the government will move heaven and earth. When it comes to people acting against the general population, meh, they'll get around to it. Eventually. Maybe. Or give them a bailout.

Is the guy selling them unknown person?

Complete unknown persons are allowed to freely post

Am I advertising my own website?

I think OP should think twice before impersonating a governmnet official... (even if its not worded right you know what i mean)

It is an offense in more or less all countries.

So <OP> stay away from this forum and you will reduce the illegalness of this forum.

Content-based restrictions on speech have been permitted only for a few historic categories of speech,including incitement, obscenity, defamation, speech integral to criminal conduct, so-called “fighting words,” child pornography, fraud, true threats, and speech presenting some grave and imminent threat the Government has the power to prevent.

Absent from these few categories is any general exception for false statements. The Government argues that cases such as Hustler Magazine, Inc., v. Falwell, 485 U. S. 46, 52, support its claim that false statements have no value and hence no First Amendment pro-tection. But all the Government’s quotations derive from cases discussing defamation, fraud, or some other legally cognizable harm associated with a false statement. In those decisions the falsity of the speech at issue was not irrelevant to the Court’s analysis, but neither was it determinative. These prior decisions have not confronted a measure, like the Stolen Valor Act, that targets falsity and nothing more.

Even when considering some instances of defamation or fraud, the Court has instructed that falsity alone may not suffice to bring the speech outside the First Amendment;the statement must be a know-ing and reckless falsehood. See New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 280. Here, the Government seeks to convert a rule that limits liability even in defamation cases where the law permits recovery for tortious wrongs into a rule that expands liability in a dif-ferent, far greater realm of discourse and expression. The Government’s three examples of false-speech regulation that courts generally have found permissible do not establish a principle that all proscriptions offalse statements are exempt from rigorous First Amendment scrutiny. The criminal prohibition of a false statement made to Government officials in communications concern-ing official matters, 18 U. S. C. §1001, does not lead to the broader proposition that false statements are unprotected when made to any person, at any time, in any context. As for perjury statutes, perjured statements lack First Amendment protection not simply because they are false, but because perjury undermines the function and province of the law and threatens the integrity of judgments. Finally, there are statutes that prohibitfalsely representing that one is speaking on behalf of the Government, or prohibit impersonating a Government officer. These examples, to the extent that they implicate fraud or speech integral to criminal conduct, are inapplicable here.

And anyone that would use that statement would not have passed the psych evaluation that is required to get any sort of clearance within a government agency. Hello Puppet.

I began visiting this forum a few months ago, and since I have been here I have been baffled by the proliferation of banking and security scams and frauds. Every "business" I have looked at has been nothing more than a poorly hidden scheme to seperate fools from their money.

So, why do you think scams are operated so freely here?

What, every one? Look harder.

If you look past the obvious answers, you'll see one that's even more obvious. Specifically, there are scams everywhere. These forums actually have relatively few scams, at least when compared to the rest of the Internet, or even just my spam folder.

Go shut down the U.S. Dollar. It's involved in far larger and far more numerous scams and illegal transactions than Bitcoin ever has.

We already have one. It was established long ago as a government agency, a commission if you will, in charge of regulating the exchange of things like securities and other investments. I just can't remember what it's called. The Commission of Exchange of Securities? No, that's not it... Oh wait, I remember now, it's called the Securities and Exchange Commission. You may have heard of it. Why aren't they doing something about all this?

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/0_out_of_10_troll.jpg

At least you got some people to reply, OP.