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Note: The existence of a market does not assume that everyone is a criminal.

Hello everyone, let's give a warm welcome to Samuel!
"Hey all, please allow me to help my truly needed family!!" ~Samuel

Critical Notice: Samuel has a rare disease that will kill him within 6 months, and leave all of his major organs perfectly healthy.
Instead of donating his vital organs, Samuel wants to use a network of legit doctors and marketplaces to sell his organs/parts to support his family.

Yes, sadly some of the other people who buy and sell will be evil, almost beyond belief.
Do you want human body parts and organs to be bought & sold with Bitcoin?

No.

The optics are pretty bad and we already have a sleazy factor with the darknet,kiddie porn and drug factor. Do not think we need to be on the cutting edge of this one but sure
some group will be interested. Looks of tape to cut through I would imagine to get something like this rolling.

So: say eventually I'd like to upgrade to bionic limbs. If there were a market for real limbs it could help offset the cost. Did I get the moral of this right? Seems harmless enough.

Sure, why not? If I can do this through fiat, why not Bitcoin? It might get some bad press, but it will help someone and help my family.

Nope. I don't think human body parts should be sold at all.
They should be donated. I will be donating my eyes after I die.

The "best case uses" are easy to agree with, imo.
Yes, but...
Some of the time the transactions are "100% legit and moral", but (as with any free market) there will also be cases which need urgent investigation.

Everybody has a price, and apparently a cost. Human organs, it should go without saying, aren’t traded legally in the white market — where the high-powered business deals and Wal-Mart sales happen every day. They’re traded instead on the black market, and they aren’t cheap.

So this is the another Black Market which actively involve Bitcoin in future.

Yes I guess. I think not only organ parts but everything that can be bought with fiat should also be bought with bitcoin

In theory: Would you want to make it a "white market", since the other option is "government intervention"?
and/or... Because many of the sellers/buyers have a basic right to access the marketplace?

it's none of my business.

If someone has body parts they want to sell, and there is someone that wants to buy them why does what I or anyone else thinks matter? It's a transaction between to consenting adults.
 And weather they use dollars or Bitcoin or seamen to make the transaction makes zero difference, it's a transfer of value from one party to another. The only real question you are asking is what people think of buying and selling body parts and organs, Bitcoin has nothing to do with it even if it's utilized in a transaction involving human organs.

Depending on the Country, this is considered illegal, even with fiat.

Do I care? No.
Will certain governments care? Yes.
Will the media have a field day with this, if actually occurs? Oh yes.

in some countries, selling organs is illegal that's why it's sold in blackmarkets so bitcoin is perfect for it but i do no support it since it's illegal. so my answer is no

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I have not thought this one through, Bit_Happy, but my initial reaction would be "No".

But, they are already selling baby parts for money (Planned Parenthood scandal), so I guess it's going to happen.

Where do you (or anyone) draw the line?

Perfectly understandable.


I certainly do.  An efficient market of quality organs from trusted sources would save many lives and improve countless others.  We're a long way from this today but perhaps Bitcoin (with the ability to shield market actors from would-be oppressors) can enable a few more steps along this road.

Naturally, some people will think of killing others to harvest their organs for profit.  Due to the nature of supply and demand, this will only succeed to the extent that people are willing to purchase organs of unknown origin.

A blood shortage in summer months is not atypical and sometimes blood collection centres incentivise donors by offering small gifts (t-shirts and the like but never money).  Perhaps this is an easier starting point.  A bitcoiner could advertise on forums that they will be gifting small sums of bitcoin to those that donate blood on a certain day at a particular centre (a simple thank you).  Done correctly, they might generate enough interest that they solve a feared "emergency situation" and get some positive media attention.  Such controversy will make a good story and get people thinking about the idea of a market for blood (and ultimately organs).

Whatever happens, I hope Samuel is able to do well for his family.

of course, you should be able to buy everything with BTC (and Litecoin  :) )

NO.
Human body parts and organs should be donated only.
IMHO poor fellows that are in a waiting list for an organ transplantation must have a chance to survive.

EDIT: Also to stop this kind of sell activities that promote criminality, like kidnapping of inocent people that they will be killed in order to sell their organs in black market, a patient that needs an organ transplantation should not try to buy one. By buying an organ to save your life you condemn another innocent person to death. The selling or buying of organs is immoral, doesn't promote the spirit of humanity and is illegal in many countries.

If it's something like Samuel's case, then yes.
If it involves kidnapping, murders, etc, then NO.

But the activity of buying or selling organs, regardless of the true intentions of the involved parties, promotes criminal activities like kidnapping, murders etc

But promotes criminal activities...

It's a tough question. There should not be a 'price' on bodyparts to create incentive for criminal activities. But some people like to help others and it's normal they can get rewarded for such big effort. That already gives it marketvalue and possible incentive to do something bad. I think this exchange should be regulated heavily and to use Bitcoin or fiat doesn't make a difference.

There is nothing wrong if this is his desire. Maybe here has someone who had money and need organs. In this way both the parts have that they need and want. Hope that this initiative go good and the people help each other even the one of those will have the worst fortune in the world: the death.

I am explicitly against selling of the organs for anything, Bitcoin, Fiat, or something third. I think that organs should be only donated and to those that need them the most.

But who is to prevent selling of organs for bitcoins. Nobody. Just like we can't prevent selling of organs for Fiat we will never prevent selling of organs for bitcoins.

So does many other things.
Trafficking human body parts already has a black market, that indeed does promote all the stuff you are talking about.
If this type of market should emerge officially it will kill the black market.
Much like drugs, etc.

To be honest, I'm not in the market for body parts.

I'm kinda confused what is the best "choice" ..

The question is a red herring. No-one is asking anyone here for permission to sell anything for BTC, so our opinions on the matter make no difference at all.

This thread really got me thinking. My first reaction was to answer no. But "Samuel" wants to follow the legit route...

If there was a platform in place to sell organs in a legit way we wouldn't be closing the business of organ selling: some middle man would eventually win some revenue and illegal trafficking probably wouldn't hop on this "legit selling" bandwagon and risk diminishing its profits.

However, selling his organs would be a good last resort to fund his family and allow others to survive using this organ. But this raises another question: Organs would certainly be expensive. Are we putting rich people in front of poor people that need organs?

Not to speak of the ethical issues that this might raise, especially in religious communities...

It's definitely not an easy subject. At least most of the world isn't ready to accept this and make this market go forward in a legit way that doesn't affect other negatively.

After thinking and writing this post, my answer would still be no. If good condition to allow the trade of organs are met, my answer might change, but I will most certainly answer no to this in the next few decades :D

Question: Should Bitcoin be legal?
Answer: No, most people would use this chance to earn money by selling drugs.


Maybe Bitcoin is bad.  Maybe it should be illegal.


If organs may only be donated then there will be less supply than demand.  Every patient will have enough money but many would not have enough time (will die waiting).  It is impossible to give 3 livers to 14 patients, no matter how you write the law*.  Were a close family member in hospital needing a new heart, I'd much rather hear "We have one for 28000 dollars" than "They're on the waiting list".

*Unless you're happy with simply seizing the organs of the recently deceased.

When we are talking about buying organs we are again a 100% in black market because as far as I know in legal terms you only can donate organs.
Maybe it already happened. We can not preclude that.Illegal organ trading is a huge business.

Of course NO even a legal transaction. There will be many criminal activites like kidnapping, murder, and illegal operation to earn money because it's hard to track bitcoin transaction. I think it's better to sell or donating organ only in hospitals or special authorities with FIAT only.

Why would organs certainly be expensive?  A fair bit of demand is met even with a price ceiling of $0!

I'd argue that "we" would not be putting the rich ahead of the poor.  "We" would simply be ceasing our oppression, allowing someone to sell their organs on death should they choose.  If someone wishes to put rich ahead of poor then they are free to do so.  If someone prefers not to deny the poor then they are free to donate their organs instead.

Absolutely not !
Since this is illegal trade , some criminal may seek bitcoin as payment method since their transaction is untraceable rather than using local currency. Hope this will not getting more spread out globally because it will make difficult for law enforcement to do their job to track some crime

Bitcoin is not for a particular country so how do we decide which country's laws does Bitcoin choose to follow? Anyway, it's not like it can be enforced.

The ethical question of should body parts be sold at all is different from the one posed by the OP.

My answer is YES.

Bitcoin isn't 'Ethic-coin' or 'Happy-clappy-feel-good-coin' it's cold hard digital money. If it's going to be successful it's going to its hands dirty so to speak.

This^

'Do you want human body parts and organs to be bought and sold with Bitcoin?'

My want or don't want is irrelevant, you may as well ask me if I want Mrs. Miggins to buy pies with pound coins.

This is very creepy, buying or selling of human body parts with bitcoin
of course I do not agree _-"

Personally I think you should be able to use bitcoin to buy anything you want good or bad. It's up to the authorities to police illegal purchases. Organ selling is quite a big black market in some countries so I could see bitcoin being adopted by them but as for the ethical questions on whether it is right or wrong I'm on the fence personally.

What an idiotic argument?

Just because the poor fellows are dying from organ failure, you want the rich patients also suffer the same fate? I have a better proposal. Make organ trading legal, and then impose a 25% tax on top of it. Use the tax revenue to help some of the poor guys survive. In this way, you can save the life of one poor guy, for every 3 lives saves from the rich sector.

No. But what I want is irrelevant here.
It's up to society to decide whether or not human organs may be offered on a market or not.
Right now, as far as I know, most societies and the majority of people in them, disapprove of organ markets.

It would be a massive problem trying to legislate this. It will never be seen as something good if it's not properly legislated and regulated, like some said, it will be seen as something very negative, just like what we already got with the illegal porn and the drugs and all that, we don't need more bad publicity.

If Bitcoin is considered as MONEY, then definitely people will use it while trading may it be for any thing like body parts as well. There are many people who need money in an emergency and selling or buying kidneys will be an option for them but I doubt they'll use bitcoins rather than REAL CASH.

No it should not be used to buy human body parts.

BTW you should also have added a poll to your post too, it would have been convenient for us to see the results.

Hypothetical situation.
Your wife or your child needs a vital organ replacement and has been given 24hrs to live. With a donation only system there would be less chance of a matching replacement being found within the timeframe.
Now I find the whole organ harvesting thing as ghoulish as anyone but when it comes to my family I can't be a saint. We all want life. 😇

I want anything I can do with fiat to be able to be done with bitcoin, regardless of the item, because that means I still have freedom with my money.

Isn't body organ selling illegal in some countries? I don't want such organs to be sold nor bought with bitcoin

If it is done the right way as you stated 'legit docs and market places etc, I believe it should be allowed with Bitcoin of course. But, money/bitcoin will soon corrupt shady docs and markets working together on some dodgy schemes/scams would soon show their ugly self.

I think they should be donated, but not sold. When money enters the equation, there always appear people to get it the criminal way. Also, getting crime out of the possibilites, the organs would go to those who have more money. It is not right, as something so valueble should be a gift. You cannot really pay for it.

Supposedly its already happening.

https://youtu.be/DaXn8uR9Ybg?t=5m27s

WARNING: Only watch this video if you don't mind feeling disturbed for the rest of the day!

So much could go wrong that this is a niche of business that I would absolutely want regulated.

If you cannot buy organ parts with Bitcoin, strictly speaking it would not be a currency..... because you should be able to buy anything with Bitcoin that you can buy with any

other currency. Would it be good for the community if it is associated with illegal trade of body parts... most certainly YES... and we do not want that. On the other hand, if you

could pay with Bitcoin for legal organ transplant ... Why not?

How would you feel if someone kidnapped your child or wife and after slaughter sold their organs piece by piece for profit and you never find a trace of the corpse of your beloved one?
Also many times the black market dealers to overcome the morale objections of the patient present to him a fake story like "Samuel" and sell to him the organs of a killed innocent victim instead.
If all of us become organ donors and no patient agrees to buy one, the black market will disappear and the timeframe for a transplantation would be very good.

EDIT: Also i don't want to strengthen the accusation that the bitcoin is a means to support illegal activities.

no way man..i think this is horrible ...and those man who do this must must get in the prison..i understand when you die and other people need ..but you die anyway so that is something else

I wouldn't like it very much at all....don't think anyone in their right mind would.

A world full of consenting organ donors is an ideal we can work towards, unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.

This is wishful thinking.  Burying our heads in sand does not make murder go away.

Let's see, do I want human body parts to be traded like used auto parts in any currency.

https://mealtimehostage.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/how-about-no.jpg

NO!!! look , if the human body parts and organs will be bought,
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys. and this will be not so good.
maybe after that happen anyone and whoever wants to sell or buy body parts
and organ will just freely buy here. this will put negativity to bitcoins and it industry.

So according to you, everyone who is suffering from an organ failure is a bad guy? Organ trading needs to be legalized, as not enough organs are being donated voluntarily. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying every year as a result of lack of donor organs. If organ trading allows at least some of them to live, then I am all in for it.

If I could get IOT enabled bionic legs that mine btc as I walk... Let's just say... "Hand me that skill saw!!!!"

Let's make it interesting... We all or rather let's say most of us agree... trade of illegal body parts for Bitcoins should be illegal.... right? ... The organ known for having the longest

waiting list, seems to be the Kidney. Most humans have two of them and can live with one of them. Let's say your child suffer from kidney problems and have to receive daily

dialysis, and have a low life expectancy.. say 1 year. Will you consider buying a kidney from someone {legally} with consent... ? {Remember.. we not saying illegally}

If you are faced by these kind of questions, most people will do anything to help their child or even themselves. Still... illegal trading with or without Bitcoin is wrong,

but the different scenarios have merit to do it legally.  ???

I disagree.  In many places, trading kidneys is illegal but I honestly think that the trade should be made legal (regardless of the medium of exchange employed).


Sure.


I disagree.  To me:  Illegal trading is illegal.  Immoral trading is wrong.  I don't think that illegal things are automatically wrong.


I believe so, but the only place I know of where it is legal to do this is Iran.  For those that don't live in Iran the scenario you described simply don't apply.  Coincidentally, Iran doesn't have a kidney shortage (so no waiting list) and basically all other countries do.

I wonder how many people here think that the people trading kidneys in Iran are doing evil.  Perhaps trade sanctions should be imposed to encourage Iran to mend its wicked ways and implement kidney waiting lists.

Laws making harvesting of body parts mandatory for accidental deaths would save a lot more people. Some people might get offended, but at least you won't have organized rackets coming up.

There are pretty shady, underground markets buying/selling organs on the black market in the fiat world so I see no reason why there shouldn't be a market for it involving bitcoin.

People can become desperate to make money & selling e.g. a kidney is their decision. There are obviously major risks involved doing this but as a consenting adult people should be able to do what they like.

There will also be people on transplant lists who need an organ quickly to save their lives so they may turn to black markets to get what they need quickly. This kind of thing will never be regulated in the fiat or bitcoin world but to the the OP  - Yes I do want organs to be bought & sold using bitcoin. I answer the same for fiat too.

When I was a little girl all I ever wanted with all my heart was an organ market based on a p2p trustless currency.

The answer is a clear "no". We have criminal activities, extortion case, drugs, gambling, money laudering which seems to be now linked to bitcoin. While we can easily argue that fiat currency can also be used to do the same thing, but however bad press and misconception has somehow made it worse. And now human body parts.

Absolutely no, not that it isn't bad publicity for bitcoin if people could buy organs with it but it also is unethical to sell organs. Poor people wouldn't stand a chance against super rich people in obtaining an organ.

It would be kind of exactly like it is in America now, minus the headaches of regulation (of temperature, sanitary conditions, competency of medical staff, etc.).

No. This is not ethical and by no means legal. If a person dies, without giving consent to donate his organ prior to his death, then no one has the right to remove any organ from that individual.

And the reason why we are having organized rackets dealing with body parts right now, is just due to the fact that organ trading is banned. If organ trading is legalized, and regulated by the government, then these criminal cartels will just vanish.

Governments find it impossible enough to allow people who are being eaten alive the right to die. I can't see how they'd ever touch the organ trade. Best answer is automatic organ donation with an opt out.

well maybe already there is a black market buying and selling organs with bitcoin hidden identy anyway is hard to be healty and some people just die and those organ can save anothers persons but well each one choose to stay with or without.

YES!  Absolutely!

I would love to see a organ trade like the one OP mentioned.

Right now the Chines Government is selling the organs of political prisoners and using the operations as the means of killing the inmates sentenced to death.
 
In the USA we get a few dollars off drivers license renewal if we sign up for organ donation.
As a close family member of a doctor 'who have let patents die to save others' I can speak first hand to the fact that doctors consider if a patent is a organ donor when fighting for a patents life.
This is why I am not a organ donor because doctors know if your a donor before they operate. If a doctor can save 8 lives by letting one severe head trauma patent die
they won't fight as hard to save that patent.


TLDR:
Right now the hospitals get to sell your organs to the highest bidder why shouldn't your family get a cut?

No, perverse incentives attract perverse outcomes. 

Yes, I would like to see that. Selling your own organs should be allowed, I don't understand why it is still illegal. Does my body belong to me or the government? If it's mine then how can somebody arrest me for selling   a part of my own body? World is a strange place, we are being told we are free and can choose our own fate but in fact we are mere slaves and prisoners of the system.

yes it must definitely be legal. Organs can be traded just like any soft commodity, but they would have to be strictly traced and certified to ensure that the quality and origin is immaculate. Bitcoin or not.  8)

This would solve the organ shortage instantly. However sick and twisted ethics prevent this from happening. Result: sick people suffering.

If one needs to opt out then it's not really a "donation" is it.

Also, I opt out.


If I were extremely poor I would certainly consider selling my second kidney to unlock a bounty of water, food, shelter, clothing, basic health products/services, education, and transport.  A ban on trading organs hurts the poor much more than it hurts the rich.

I don't care for what purpose people use Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a TOOL. Like a knife.

Asking if you want people to buy human parts with bitcoin is pointless just like asking do you want people to cut human parts using a knife?

The case has nothing to do with the Bitcoin itself. So this question is completely pointless.

tbh OP's question isn't really related to bitcoin, it is about legal organ trading.

when the day arrives that we have paradies on earth then it is ok to trade organs - until then 100% no.

just think about what would happen if organ trading gets legal - we will see human organ farms all over the world fed with abducted people from all over the world. ( "The Island" just without clones but real people)
we have already more then enough problems right now this would be totaly insane.

well we sell and buy everything why organs cant be sold if we need some money those organs can save other life and we can survive better for a while

for samuel's case, he wants to donating his vital organs to his family for support their life necessities after he left them forever.. it just like samuel wants to do the last thing what he can do for help his family & can save other people life at the same time too..
if buyer wants to buy with bitcoin only or the marketplaces just only can using bitcoin.. i think it should be allowed to do (maybe samuel needs to make wills letter about that first)

but using bitcoin to bought & sold any illegal human body parts and organs in black market it can't be allowed, because it will gains criminal rate more faster

Yes but only if an escrow is used  ::)

Here is how the deal will take place the buyer sends the BTC agreed upon to the escrow, escrow intimates the organ seller that the money is in place, the organ seller then ships the organ to the escrow, escrow checks that organ is in good shape and matches the photos which were provided before the deal and re-ships it to the buyer, and then releases the payment to the seller.

Seriously.. until the organ trading becomes legal and Bitcoin becomes legal this won't happen, so I would say no. I don't want to sell my organs, if I am dyeing I might donate them to someone who I think is worthy of having them.

it gives me the creeps
maybe if the hospital is still reasonable, but if the black market scares  :-\ _-

If he truly wants his organs to be sold when he's dead? Then who am I to say No to that.
It will benefit his family and someone else.

Yes of course, but in a legal manner and not in a back-alley way or something like that. There are still those who are willing to sell off their kidneys to gain bucks for their family, so if bitcoin is one of the payment methods they accept then why not?

 No never ,there is big black market for human organs,poor peopleareselling for example kidneys.Surgerys are done in some countrys what allow that.All that is very,very bad thing and bitcoin reputation can be easly destroyed
it may cause serious problems for btc

My opinion is this.  When people's loved ones are dying they are desperate. It is understandable they are going, in many cases, going to be willing to go to nearly any extent to save their lives if they know a solution exists.  This means a blackmarket will exist if a legal, safe alternative is not in place.  Why not create a legalized private market where people who are terminally ill or die in freak accidents can sell their organs to people willing to pay and give the proceeds to family/charity/friends.  There would still be plenty of donors but also a market for private donors and it would cut into the black market.  Thoughts?

Before we can even finish this discussion thread the world will see transhumanist wet dreams come true. Bionic you-name-its that only the rich will have access to will be everywhere, and probably killer AI. Resistance is pretty futile I guess.

Well, I guess I know what market place I'll be coding today. It's going to be awesome OP. I'm going to add multi-currency support and start advertising on forums for chronic illness to get early sign ups. Then, I'm going to pay some people to start spreading rumours about a dark web website that can make you serious cash by selling your organs. That should get me some initial supply. All that's missing then will be to get the (semi)-skilled surgeons involved to do the operations as well as to organize logistics which shouldn't be too hard to do when you consider the huge amount of debt most doctors end up in. Once I have some reviews up there and a good reputation, I can start contacting the press to get even more sign ups which again should be easy considering the story I'd be pitching.

PM me if anyone is interested in building the world's first decentralized, P2P organ, marketplace.

(I am joking btw. Why would I advertise this on a public forum connected to my real name?)

Still, I can guarantee you that OP inadvertently gave the next Ross Ulbrict of organ trade a similar idea to the one above. Thanks to the OP: we will now have a Bitcoin organ marketplace within the next few months - I guarantee it. Interestingly enough, it could potentially save lives but it's hard to imagine that the downsides wouldn't be worse than the upsides.

No, because organs aren't straightforwardly your property because they are necessary for your life, and your right to life ,not for sold
if that's legal  of course organs would be only accesible for those who have money. therefore people who dont have the money are not gonna be able to buy an organ

So the rich will just grow fresh organs identical to their old ones but healthy in a petri dish?  Or will nanotechnology go into the body and rebuild organs?  Also, the super rich will have a much less likely chance of needing an organ because they will be less genetically predisposed to any diseases that could cause organ failure.  This will obviously be accomplished through advanced genetic engineering.

Jesus, NO !
Ofcourse if this happen, let the seller being cursed by doing that. Bitcoin must be use for something usefull rather than for crime. I'm really wonder if they keep trying selling this forbidden transaction.

Probably.

Come on!

No. I think human body shouldn't be traded- except for research purposes which shouldn't involve a price.

As someone working in the field of tissue engineering I can tell you that our dream of growing organs in a petri dish will not be available for a loooong time if at all. It has proven to be very difficult to grow artifical 3d organs with the correct function.

The famous ear on a rat is not really an artifical organ, as it was just a template with some skin growing over it. It does nothing more than fulfill a cosmetic role.

Funcitonal kidneys and livers are a completely different story.

Well, I will agree as long as it's for a good purpose.
But seriously, we can't blame technology (Bitcoin) for this kind of problem.
Who should we blame is the person that use the technology for bad purpose, not the technology.

Not yet.

When there are plenty of Bitcoin-accepting grocers, so I can buy fava beans...
and plenty of online wine merchants, so I can buy a nice Chianti...

THEN...

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So the rich will just grow fresh organs identical to their old ones but healthy in a petri dish?  Or will nanotechnology go into the body and rebuild organs?  Also, the super rich will have a much less likely chance of needing an organ because they will be less genetically predisposed to any diseases that could cause organ failure.  This will obviously be accomplished through advanced genetic engineering.
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As someone working in the field of tissue engineering I can tell you that our dream of growing organs in a petri dish will not be available for a loooong time if at all. It has proven to be very difficult to grow artifical 3d organs with the correct function.

The famous ear on a rat is not really an artifical organ, as it was just a template with some skin growing over it. It does nothing more than fulfill a cosmetic role.

Funcitonal kidneys and livers are a completely different story.
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Why are kidneys and livers a different story?  There are companies standing to make a ton of money if they can do this.  How long until they start growing kidneys and livers in labs?

Great idea, but what when someone who want's for his organs to be used and is dying.. would you prefer for hospital to get the money, or his/hers family ?
imho there should be no difference between b&s organs for fiat or for crypto, and the final say should be made by organ donator.
I don't even have to say that any such activity should be closely monitored, due to high chances of creating a black market that will exploit donators, instead of helping them

i dont want.. to me people who trade bodyparts its like a nightmare
its scary dude

If you can buy them with Fiat why not buy them with Bitcoin as well? as long as it is all properly regulated I don't see the problem why it cannot!

And you know that 'proper regulation' won't happen in a decentralized system controlled by none. If money is involved in this kind of matters, you know that the government has a keen eye and ears on surveying it. Also, body parts trade wouldn't be a thing unless those human rights psycho widen their perspective on the matter.

I agree with you here, but I also think that bitcoin should not be regulated. More regulation is the same as more government control.

No, that's too crazy.