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Title: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: Nemo1024 on September 06, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
Three bits of news that caught my attention, but no good prior topic to put them into:

US embassy in Greece pressured Greek government into closing Greek airspace for Russian airplanes carrying humanitarian aid to Syrians. Greece refused to be intimidated:
http://ria.ru/world/20150906/1232984390.html
Russia is always among the first to send humanitarian aid and relief to any country in need, a thankless task that someone needs to do.

US State Department expressed concern with regard to Russia's President Vladimir Putin's initiative to create a united international anti-terrorist front
http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1963859.html

Czechia thinks Russia should be called to help in solving the Syrian crisis and the problem with the influx of "migrants" into Europe:
http://ria.ru/world/20150906/1233184012.html


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: cryptocoiner on September 06, 2015, 03:54:07 PM
Three bits of news that caught my attention, but no good prior topic to put them into:

US embassy in Greece pressured Greek government into closing Greek airspace for Russian airplanes carrying humanitarian aid to Syrians. Greece refused to be intimidated:
http://ria.ru/world/20150906/1232984390.html
Russia is always among the first to send humanitarian aid and relief to any country in need, a thankless task that someone needs to do.

US State Department expressed concern with regard to Russia's President Vladimir Putin's initiative to create a united international anti-terrorist front
http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1963859.html

Czechia thinks Russia should be called to help in solving the Syrian crisis and the problem with the influx of "migrants" into Europe:
http://ria.ru/world/20150906/1233184012.html

Russia has it's own problems now. To send humanitarian aid somewhere? LOL They need help themselfes. Russian currency dropped 50% percent last year. Economy is in ruins.


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: XEPBAM on September 06, 2015, 04:04:11 PM
The Syrians expressed 'joy' at the fraternal assistance of the Russian Federation to the Assad regime.



Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 06, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
These sort of news articles makes me wonder about the real intentions of these Americans. Is destroying the European Union one of their major aims? They toppled the Gaddhafi regime in Libya, which opened the Pandora's box there, triggering hundreds of thousands of Sub Saharans migrating to Europe. And now, they are trying to topple the Assad regime, which once again is causing a major refugee inflow in to the European Union.


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: Wapinter on September 06, 2015, 10:56:48 PM
These sort of news articles makes me wonder about the real intentions of these Americans. Is destroying the European Union one of their major aims? They toppled the Gaddhafi regime in Libya, which opened the Pandora's box there, triggering hundreds of thousands of Sub Saharans migrating to Europe. And now, they are trying to topple the Assad regime, which once again is causing a major refugee inflow in to the European Union.
You are right.American government is the roots of most of conflicts.If they had not toppled Saddam,IsIs wouldn't exist


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: Lethn on September 06, 2015, 11:32:55 PM
That's not the weirdest stuff that America is up to in the region.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11712237/US-blocks-attempts-by-Arab-allies-to-fly-heavy-weapons-directly-to-Kurds-to-fight-Islamic-State.html


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: panju1 on September 07, 2015, 12:48:18 AM

Russia has it's own problems now. To send humanitarian aid somewhere? LOL They need help themselfes. Russian currency dropped 50% percent last year. Economy is in ruins.


You don't have to be a billionaire to help others. All you need is compassion.  :)


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: Snail2 on September 07, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
I've heard that there are some signs that points to greater Russian involvement in Syria:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html)
http://turkishnavy.net/2015/08/22/update-the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-nikolay-filchenkov/ (http://turkishnavy.net/2015/08/22/update-the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-nikolay-filchenkov/)

If that's true, then the the IS and other extremists will have some tough times in the future.


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: Nemo1024 on September 07, 2015, 03:57:44 PM
I've heard that there are some signs that points to greater Russian involvement in Syria:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html)
http://turkishnavy.net/2015/08/22/update-the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-nikolay-filchenkov/ (http://turkishnavy.net/2015/08/22/update-the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-nikolay-filchenkov/)

If that's true, then the the IS and other extremists will have some tough times in the future.

And that is why USA is fighting any possible Russian involvement in Syria tooth and nail - they don't need that conflict ending too soon.

An official confirmation to the info in OP:

Greece confirms US asked to close airspace to Syria-bound Russian aid flights
http://www.rt.com/news/314616-greece-request-airspace-russia/

Still...

A Russian buildup in Syria? The propaganda machine strikes again
http://www.rt.com/op-edge/314640-syria-military-russian-media/

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Somebody wants the Saudis and their Arab neighbors to believe that Russia is intensifying its presence in Syria. That possibly explains a hysterical propaganda overload this weekend.

...

Russian military personnel have always been in Syria. Moscow has a base there. Furthermore, Vladimir Putin has hardly hidden the fact that his government has fulfilled defense contracts with Damascus. That would require trainers on the ground.

So why did Russia’s involvement in Syria suddenly become such massive news? Is it because relations between the Kremlin and Saudi Arabia are rapidly improving? Or maybe it's down to Washington's fears that Moscow may decide to take out ISIS, unilaterally, or with European approval, freezing America out?

And the propaganda overload was so crudely-made and obvious, it should be embarrassing for those who foot the bill for it...  ::)

In the article above, the reporter is doing an admirable job of tracing the source of this week-end's hoax and how it got propagated through the Western MSM.

Also, from the President:

Putin: Early to speak of Russia’s readiness for military participation in fight against IS
http://tass.ru/en/world/818739

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Speaking on supporting Syria with armament, Putin said this concerns the contracts signed some five or seven years ago.

"We consider various possibilities, but now what you have mentioned [participation in military operations] is not yet on our agenda," Putin told reporters at the Eastern Economic Forum.

"We will hold consultations with our Syrian friends and the countries of the region," he said.

"Speaking that we are ready to do it today is premature, but we are providing Syria with a rather serious support and equipment and training forces with armament," Putin stressed.


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: Wapinter on September 07, 2015, 09:35:19 PM
I've heard that there are some signs that points to greater Russian involvement in Syria:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html)
http://turkishnavy.net/2015/08/22/update-the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-nikolay-filchenkov/ (http://turkishnavy.net/2015/08/22/update-the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-nikolay-filchenkov/)

If that's true, then the the IS and other extremists will have some tough times in the future.
If that's true I am afraid Russian will meet the same fate what they suffered in Afghanistan.America will definitely support IS against Russia because to US a strong hold of russia in middle east would be much greater danger than IS


Title: Re: Is US sabotaging war on ISIS and terror and for prolonging suffering of Syrians?
Post by: BCEmporium on September 07, 2015, 11:30:47 PM
I think we just get to know who is funding and keeping ISIS...
It would be senseless that in a very high-tech world a bunch of middle aged rats could do such damage, isn't it?

This recalls me of a very concerning words of a girl who went to join ISIS, she said "men keeps us safe and let us know when and where there will be airstrikes". Isn't this funny that somehow without advanced radar arrays they know "when and where" the US led coalition is going to strike?

Seams we've to think over the European alliances and stop thinking on "Russia AND Europe" to start putting this straight: There's no "Russia AND Europe", "Russia IS in Europe".