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 Just had this question in mind, I know people aren't supposed to post anything while being banned(only exception being Meta board, where they can complain about their ban).
So which of these activities aren't allowed while being banned(temporarily) and if done , might result in ban extension
1) Giving a negative trust
2) Changing their avatar
3) Changing their personal details
4) Trying to PM someone
5) Changing your signature
6) Editing/Deleting your posts
7) Watching/ Unwatching thread
8) Creating a new account(but not posting)
9) Using another account from a different IP, while its not known if the banned account is connected to the new account.
10) Posting in meta thread with a signature, about something which is not related to your ban
11) Trolling(only once) in meta thread
 Thats all, it would be better if a mod can answer this though(maybe hilariousandco will be the first one)

And lastly, was QS banned?

Not tested myself.  ;D

Here is what I think.

1) Giving a negative trust
I think it is not possible to do that.

2) Changing their avatar
Possible. Allowed.

3) Changing their personal details
Possible. Allowed.

4) Trying to PM someone.
Ban evasion.

5) Changing your signature
Possible. Allowed.

6) Editing/Deleting your posts
Ban evasion

7) Watching/ Unwatching thread
No idea.

8) Creating a new account(but not posting)  (Q. why is 8 Cool?)
Possible. Allowed. no posting, no PM. Why would someone do that, lol?

9) Using another account from a different IP, while its not known if the banned account is connected to the new account.
Death sentence if caught.  :o

10) Posting in meta thread with a signature, about something which is not related to your ban
Ban evasion.

11) Trolling(only once) in meta thread
About his ban? Possible, Allowed or ban extension depends on the case.
Not about his ban in a different thread. Ban evasion.


Nothing above has been confirmed by me. Not reliable.

Disclaimer: If you were banned and you did something above listed as permissible, and got yourself perma banned, I am not responsible. ;D

It's not that they are not supposed to post, the forum actually disables them from posting while banned. I don't know if all the other activities you posted are disabled when the account is banned, but I'm just gonna go with "that which is not forbidden is allowed".

Typing "8 )" (without spaces ) is an emoticon for a smiley face.  8)

I thought he probably meant posting with an alt. (That is the entire concept of ban evasion comes in, right?)




LOL. :)
That comes to how is the smiley face (without a nose) cool? ;D

Edit: and ears

If they're permabanned can they even log in? Most of the permabanned accounts I see are never logged into again.

In that case my guess is QS wasn't banned, although all of this depends on the fact that QS gave a neg. trust during his rumoured ban.

Yes, but you kinda answered your own question. Most people don't continue to log into a banned account. Most just move on.

Hey hilarious, as you are a mod, can you answer the OP? And if QS was actually banned or not, I think people are quite interested regarding that.

For the 4th point (to PM someone), it is not allowed to do so (see other's post stating that they're banned - the message said 'Sorry (user), you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum . (Reason)'. However, I think people should be able to change their sig., but limited to a text-only one (like newbie/Jr.), stating that they were banned.
And for the 6th point, I think it is already not allowed for banned people to do so...?
For point 9, I think the forum is hard to prevent this :(

You can't leave trust while being banned. Any mod can confirm it.

And why do people think that QS has been banned ???

Seems you missed quite some drama mate. See here, QS ...... well I think you'll understand it better when you read it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.0 (last 3 pages of the thread)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0 (Reading all of it will be better)

You can log in. If I'm not mistaken, you'd actually need to if you wanted to appeal the ban.

@ DiscoverCebu - why exactly are you so interested?

Yup, must've been obvious.
If you access your Panther account, and see my PM you'll probably know.
P.S: Awesome find, hope you didn't have to "research" much.

You still have not answered my question as to why you are so interested.

No reason at all, just a bit worrisome to see a "default-trust scam buster" acting this way.
P.S: But of course, you'll start having conspiracies with this statement. Hope I don't end up the same as tsp  :D

Alright well good luck with your investigation trolling

I am glad you are proud of being a part of being able to take down someone who puts a lot of effort into stopping others from being able to steal

He put in his signature personal message that he was banned for three days.

No worries, I'll keep going .
I'm not against your scam-busting though(and I'm sure none, at least most, of the "opposers" are), you do a pretty good job of it. But its the other "bussiness" thats a bit worrisome. BTW maybe have this discussion in PMs , or maybe a different thread if you like, or answer my question in the OP ofc(not the "why was QS banned" part).
Cheers,
Percy

Actually it was his personal message, but yeah nearly the same thing. @QS just a bit off-topic, the Rollin's campaign is ending , maybe time to change your signature.

Just because you stopped others from being able to steal, doesn't give you cart blanche to steal yourself.   :-\

I also put a lot of effort into stopping others from stealing, but I am honest and OPEN.  That is the difference between you and I.

I have no idea who the fuck "percy" is.

Well I am glad to hear that you are concerned that someone who has made a lot of enemies preventing others from stealing (and costing thieves money in the process) was trying to protect his identity in case he traded with those thieves or someone who would turn out to be a their in the future.

OFC you wouldn't want a thief to have some kind of leverage over the person who puts effort into stopping the thefts.

Who the fuck did I steal from? Please post a txid

Oh the irony!  (again)   ::)

Didn't you just post what you thought was my address, despite the fact I moved into a new house in Aug?  Despite the fact I've never lived there?

What was that other than an attempt of some kind of leverage over me?  Hypocrite.   :-\


You stole coins pretending to be a neutral third party.  YOU post the txid.

Don't worry QS - I can scam bust this forum until we find a replacement for you.

I thought that it was your opinion that someone who makes enemies because they stop others from being able to steal should have their identity exposed? I am confused as to why you have not send me your new address to post. If this isn't the case then I will kindly remove that address, but I would want some clarification.

What txid exactly do you want me to post? Are you saying that I owed someone money and did not pay them?

You are?   ::)

Good luck with that.

TBH, thanks to BadBear leaking the identity of my alt to you, I will most likely be leaving soon anyway.

You mean your QuickSeller account will be leaving soon.

The lure of irreversible currency is strong.  You'll stay under various alt accounts.

Well if you think it is appropriate to have someone who has made enemies from scammers to have their identity/address exposed, then I would think you would post your own address. Unless you don't think you have made enemies from scammers.

I have no idea who the fuck "percy" is.

Well I am glad to hear that you are concerned that someone who has made a lot of enemies preventing others from stealing (and costing thieves money in the process) was trying to protect his identity in case he traded with those thieves or someone who would turn out to be a their in the future.

OFC you wouldn't want a thief to have some kind of leverage over the person who puts effort into stopping the thefts.
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Glad you asked man, don't think you may read books but Percy here means Percy from "Percy Jackson and the Olympians".
Hope I' not putting my hand in fire, but maybe you guys can have this conversation in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12349801#msg12349801 or this https://us21.chatzy.com/68209214195957 , if you want instant messages.
EDIT: Seems they calmed down now.

No, probably not. With the exception of a few newbie alts that I have long abandoned and had used to catch scammers refusing escrow/ect. (and don't even remember the names of which), I really do not have any unknown alts.

If I am going to have to risk having my identity exposed when trading physical items unlike I was in the past, and the level of trolling/harassment I have been subject to lately, I really don't have much of a reason to stay. IDGAF if you believe me or not, and I could care less about winning an argument with some random person on the internet.

No I didn't. I haven't talked to Vod in months.

Oh well, I only assumed because Vod had made a statement about you removing me from DT if I had faked my ban, which was very shortly after I had responded to you about that very issue.

edit: sorry

edit2: either way it still leaked based on the timing of your removal. :/ It isn't like any of the allegations affected any of my ratings....

And the apology to me for calling me an asshole out of the blue when I was defending you?

If it weren't for you doing so many controversial things Quickseller, people would be much more appreciative about you going after scammers. There's a n old saying in my country that goes like this "You can't appreciate something from the past enough until you've lived with an inferior replacement."

It's a pity that the person who filled the forum's 'scam busting' position is you. Every time someone makes a post about you I know that it's going to be about something controversial you did. Don't you think you've been given enough chances? You keep repeating your mistakes over and over, your excuse that you're spending time preventing people from stealing is becoming more and more worthless as you keep abusing it. Numerous times you were given the time to change or be forgotten but you just kept doing it. If this is going to be the last time then it feels perfectly justified.

I, for one, would welcome Vod back. His work seems more desirable than ever now that we see how badly trusting you turned.

I don't think you were defending me then, and you clearly are not defending me now.

I certainly do not think it is unreasonable to want my RL identity not associated with QS. I also certainly do not think it is unreasonable to want to be able to protect my own money. I also don't think that either of the people who I acted as escrow with when I was trading with them via my alt feel they were wronged. One of them had requested that I release escrow to myself after a USPS tracking number was confirmed on USPS.com, and the other came back to me multiple times asking to trade with me again. I think that both parties feel that they got a fair price for the trades, even after paying an escrow fee, and I would find it unlikely that either party is going to ask for a refund even though one will be honored upon request. I don't milk the people who I trade with out of every last penny that I can, I trade at prices I believe that both myself and the person I am trading with feel is fair. I think this last part is the most important thing to consider out of this situation; if everyone involved in a trade feels like they got a fair deal, then no one was really harmed. I really do not think anyone can argue this point.

I do think you have been a great contribution to the forum, and I do apologize for calling you an asshole.

I will make you a deal, I will remove your previous address (I have no control over what anyone besides myself has posted), and you review this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.msg12305923#msg12305923) post very carefully, and review all the references/links carefully. Next look at the post directly below the post I linked, it is tspacepilot "responding" to me, however he did not address any of my concerns about his harassing behavior. Please note that he did not respond to any of my concerns. Then look at this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.msg12312657#msg12312657) post by Panthers, and note how zero opinion was expressed (also please remember that panthers did receive an unsolicited nivation to post in that thread by tspacepilot). After you do that, please take a day to think about if you think tspacepilot was engaging in any kind of harassment and/or trolling by anyone who did not have a negative rating against him at the time (IIRC, you have said that you are retired, so I would assume you have some spare time). After you take a day (or longer if desired) to consider all of the facts presented, come back and tell me if you really think that tspacepilot was not harassing anyone who did not have a negative rating against him at the time. I think you, if anyone would be able to appreciate this because of the number of times you have been harassed by various scammers (but remember, you are only looking for people tspacepilot harassed who did not have a negative trust rating against him at the time of the harassment). If you think that he was engaging in trolling/harassment of others, then do you think there might be a possibility that his claims of being "bullied" might not be entirely valid?

Once you do this, then review this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303613.0;all) thread, with TF on your ignore list. Look at it closely and see if tspacepilot ever admits to receiving money that was not intended for him, and see when exactly (if ever) he tried to repay this money received. At this point, I would ask that you reconsider your opinion regarding tspacepilot not being a scammer. You should be able to even say that tspacepilot was asked for the money back based on his own posts in that thread. I have said this many times before, and I will say it again, I do not like the fact that I am going after someone who scammed someone as TF, however it is not okay for someone to scam a scammer.

You previously said that I was scamming, yet both people who I escrowed for while trading with my alt seemed to be happy with the overall trade, and will probably not ask for a refund of the escrow fee (but if they do, it will be refunded to them promptly). On the other hand, there is someone who had admitted to receiving some amount of money that they should not have, and only eventually offered to repay a troll amount of money after being repeatedly told that he was wrong. Do you see the disconnect in this case?

I have removed the only instance of where I posted your previous address, although I do still think you were advocating that those with scammer enemies should have their identity/address exposed.

Well I was.

Re-read what I wrote.  I was in summary saying: "I believe QS was banned.  BB is a sponsor of his trust, and if QS were to lie about being banned, BB would know about it and probably remove him from DT for lying."

I had no idea BB had removed you from default trust - like he said we haven't communicated since before I left.


You're right - I'm not.

You've shown yourself to 1) have a hot temper and 2) be unwilling to change.  You need to step back and look at the big picture from time to time.  You need to be willing to admit you've made a mistake and fix it.  TC wrote the same thing to me (a lot more eloquently I should add) a few months back and I took his advice.
 
Nothing is permanent.  Good luck to you in the future.

Alright well remember this post the next time someone starts trolling you. Right now you left positive trust to someone who has a history of months-long harassment of people who do not agree with him.

I do very carefully consider all of the facts prior to me leaving a rating. This allows me to rarely be wrong about them. I am not wrong in the case of tspacepilot.

You were encouraging a situation that could potentially result in my personal details leaking, this is after I had cost a lot of scammers a lot of money from them not being able to steal from others, money they most probably thought they would be able to steal. I have received a number of threats over the ~1/2 year from people who are upset that I stopped them from scamming, including death threats from KoS. I have no idea why BadBear removed me from his trust list as nothing in this situation affects any of my sent (nor received) ratings. However you did (inadvertently or not) promptly point out that BB had removed me from his list (which he did without allowing me the opportunity to publicly resign to allow for questions if Panthers was really mine or not - allowing my identity to be more safe), which essentially confirmed my alt.

Not my concern - I wasn't doing it on purpose or for that intention.

What you are accusing me of is simply walking by your hiding spot, drawing attention to you.   I didn't know you were hiding there - I couldn't have done anything different.

(However, you did post a physical address with the explicit intention of putting me in harm.)

The physical address was already public, and was posted both on your trust profile (multiple times) and on bitcointalk multiple places.

You were advocating that I reveal any of my private alts that I may have used myself to protect my money with.

You still reposted it in the hope that someone would take action, maybe burn the house down, put a poor old lady on the street?  Why didn't you also research the pedophile claims and post those as well?

I'm going to be offering a bounty to someone to verify I do not live at that address - just need to figure out how to do that.  I don't want this lady to be harassed just because her first name starts with the same letter mine does.

No, I posted it because you were advocating that any alts of mine who used myself to protect my own money should be exposed, which would have a high probability of my personal information being exposed.

Your own example was that your house would burn down, so if my personal information would leak, by your own words, my house might get burned down.

I guess that doesn't really concern you though, considering that you are no longer at any risk of having your identity leak because you buy something that is being sold by someone who could potentially turn out to be a scammer