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Title: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: vokain on October 10, 2012, 06:33:34 PM
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The Federal Aviation Administration just needs to put the finishing touches on rules and regulations for widespread domestic drone use, and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end. As Russia Today notes, given that the department has already addressed the issue of acquiring drones to give the DHS a better eye of domestic doings, though, those law enforcement operations in question could very well transcend away from legitimate uses and quickly cause civil liberty concerns from coast-to-coast. All drones will be equipped with Electro-Optical/Infra-Red sensors, as well as the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet above our heads. Have no fear though, since the "Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety" program is for your own protection, we are sure Janet Napolitano would suggest.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-09/uncle-sam-prepares-unleash-30000-drones-over-america-public-safety


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: vampire on October 10, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
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The Federal Aviation Administration just needs to put the finishing touches on rules and regulations for widespread domestic drone use, and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end. As Russia Today notes, given that the department has already addressed the issue of acquiring drones to give the DHS a better eye of domestic doings, though, those law enforcement operations in question could very well transcend away from legitimate uses and quickly cause civil liberty concerns from coast-to-coast. All drones will be equipped with Electro-Optical/Infra-Red sensors, as well as the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet above our heads. Have no fear though, since the "Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety" program is for your own protection, we are sure Janet Napolitano would suggest.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-09/uncle-sam-prepares-unleash-30000-drones-over-america-public-safety

Russia Today should worry about Russia, where police just stops you to try to get a bribe out of you.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: SgtSpike on October 10, 2012, 08:58:34 PM
Sketchy...


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Severian on October 10, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
"Public Safety" is police state code for spying on citizens and other fun things that police states do.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: dank on October 10, 2012, 09:13:24 PM
This won't ever happen, don't let it instill fear into you.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Severian on October 10, 2012, 09:17:01 PM
This won't ever happen, don't let it instill fear into you.

It is happening. Just don't be afraid of them. That's the key.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: SgtSpike on October 10, 2012, 09:19:32 PM
It'd be nice if they outfitted the drones with laser sensors, and created a super-detailed topography of the entire united states.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: dank on October 10, 2012, 09:31:43 PM
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/07/20/air-force-to-begin-testing-drone-fired-lasers-over-north-dakota/

Just saw that in the link in the OP.

It's happening but they will never reach 30,000 domestic drones, or anything close to that.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: vokain on October 10, 2012, 11:37:34 PM
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/07/20/air-force-to-begin-testing-drone-fired-lasers-over-north-dakota/

Just saw that in the link in the OP.

It's happening but they will never reach 30,000 domestic drones, or anything close to that.

Probably not 30000 drones flying at once but I could imagine us having a large fleet cycling in and out, with many concentrated along border states watching the border. Aren't there already drones flying over here, including other developing countries?

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/11/nation/la-na-nn-maryland-drone-crash-20120611 (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/11/nation/la-na-nn-maryland-drone-crash-20120611)

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/mirage-35862-unmanned-aircraft.html (http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/mirage-35862-unmanned-aircraft.html)

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/13/halton-police-find-744k-worth-of-drugs-using-high-tech-pot-spotting-drones/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/13/halton-police-find-744k-worth-of-drugs-using-high-tech-pot-spotting-drones/)

http://dronewarsuk.wordpress.com/drone-crash-database/ (http://dronewarsuk.wordpress.com/drone-crash-database/)


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Ryland R. Taylor-Almanza on October 11, 2012, 01:53:00 AM
I do think the whole surveillance thing is stupid, but I honestly think it would be really fucking cool to see crazy drones flying around in the sky :D


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: TECSHARE on October 11, 2012, 08:00:22 PM
Where do you think all those drones from Iraq went? Right back home. They are doing this, and 30,000 sounds like a conservative estimate considering the falling cost of hardware as well as new smaller drone designs.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Richy_T on October 13, 2012, 06:12:33 AM
Just wait until one of these falls out of the sky onto a bus full of orphans.

Seriously, the government has managed to sell the idea of "collateral damage" when it's a bunch of funny talking brown fellas. Who's going to notice a couple of malfunctioning drones when you're living in a bomb crater? But just wait until it's a pretty white girl who's being spoon fed cause a drone that lost its signal hit her in the head.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Charlie Prime on October 13, 2012, 12:57:03 PM
...the government has managed to sell the idea of "collateral damage" when it's a bunch of funny talking brown fellas.

That applies to everyone.  Our Collectivist form of government rests upon the axiom "Greater Public Good", that slaughtering 10,000 Americans to save 10,001 is totally worth it.

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Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: myrkul on October 13, 2012, 03:43:02 PM
Russia Today should worry about Russia, where police just stops you to try to get a bribe out of you.

I wish you could bribe the police in the US. It would be cheaper.


Title: Drone hijacked by hackers from Texas college with $1,000 spoofer
Post by: Arto on October 14, 2012, 01:29:32 PM
A small surveillance drone flies over an Austin stadium, diligently following a series of GPS waypoints that have been programmed into its flight computer. By all appearances, the mission is routine.

Suddenly, the drone veers dramatically off course, careering eastward from its intended flight path. A few moments later, it is clear something is seriously wrong as the drone makes a hard right turn, streaking toward the south. Then, as if some phantom has given the drone a self-destruct order, it hurtles toward the ground. Just a few feet from certain catastrophe, a safety pilot with a radio control saves the drone from crashing into the field.

From the sidelines, there are smiles all around over this near-disaster. Professor Todd Humphreys and his team at the University of Texas at Austin's Radionavigation Laboratory have just completed a successful experiment: illuminating a gaping hole in the government’s plan to open US airspace to thousands of drones. [...] with the right equipment, anyone can take control of a GPS-guided drone and make it do anything they want it to.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: GernMiester on October 22, 2012, 04:32:39 AM
If it uses the standard GPS broadcast signals then it can be taken control of.
Some Uni kids from Iran snagged a US drone and landed it.. 


Title: Re: Drone hijacked by hackers from Texas college with $1,000 spoofer
Post by: Ryland R. Taylor-Almanza on October 22, 2012, 04:53:19 AM
A small surveillance drone flies over an Austin stadium, diligently following a series of GPS waypoints that have been programmed into its flight computer. By all appearances, the mission is routine.

Suddenly, the drone veers dramatically off course, careering eastward from its intended flight path. A few moments later, it is clear something is seriously wrong as the drone makes a hard right turn, streaking toward the south. Then, as if some phantom has given the drone a self-destruct order, it hurtles toward the ground. Just a few feet from certain catastrophe, a safety pilot with a radio control saves the drone from crashing into the field.

From the sidelines, there are smiles all around over this near-disaster. Professor Todd Humphreys and his team at the University of Texas at Austin's Radionavigation Laboratory have just completed a successful experiment: illuminating a gaping hole in the government’s plan to open US airspace to thousands of drones. [...] with the right equipment, anyone can take control of a GPS-guided drone and make it do anything they want it to.
Ok, now I REALLY want this whole drone thing to happen! I'd have so much fun with them!


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: matmar10 on October 22, 2012, 03:16:29 PM
Just wait until one of these falls out of the sky onto a bus full of orphans.

As it turned out, that orphanage was actually cover for a militant training camp. We made a calculated decision and we decided in the interest of national security that we had to strike the orphanage. Collateral damage is unfortunate, but sometimes extreme measures are necessary for the sake of greater security.



Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Charlie Prime on October 22, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
All drones will be equipped with ...the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet above our heads.

Cool beans!

This will allow police to locate people smoking marijuana and put them in the penitentiary for rehabilitation and penance.

Excessive amounts of carbon dioxide from BBQ grills could also be located and shut down.



Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: HDSolar on October 22, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
All drones will be equipped with ...the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet above our heads.

Cool beans!

This will allow police to locate people smoking marijuana and put them in the penitentiary for rehabilitation and penance.

Excessive amounts of carbon dioxide from BBQ grills could also be located and shut down.


The cool part is when we get the hacks from Iran and so we can take over the controls.  Free RC planes for everyone, until you get arrested or removed for existence by a military grade drone.  Oops and they are coming no matter what. 


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: C10H15N on October 22, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
Any idea how far you have to lead a drone?   ;D


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: myrkul on October 22, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
The cool part is when we get the hacks from Iran and so we can take over the controls.  Free RC planes for everyone, until you get arrested or removed for existence by a military grade drone.  Oops and they are coming no matter what. 

It's a relatively simple matter to weaponize and add a camera to an off-the-shelf RC plane. Build your own drone-defense drone.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Charlie Prime on October 22, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Any idea how far you have to lead a drone?

The depends on a huge number of factors, mainly the altitude, speed, and what type of weapon you are using.

If using a long-range duck hunting shotgun with a severe choke, the lead distance would be much greater than if using a fast-moving 5.56 round from an AR.

Here are some guys practicing drone take-down on a ranch in Texas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgEFOD8Jlo

For the little drones that will sniff for chemicals around your windows, the weapon would need to be something like a fire extinguisher that would not impact your neighbors' houses.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: firefop on October 23, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
considering the falling cost of hardware

I see what you did there...

I can't think of anything more fun than firing some old radio equipment and knocking drones out of the sky.



Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Mushroomized on October 23, 2012, 06:02:29 PM
All drones will be equipped with ...the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet above our heads.

Cool beans!

This will allow police to locate people smoking marijuana and put them in the penitentiary for rehabilitation and penance.

Excessive amounts of carbon dioxide from BBQ grills could also be located and shut down.


BAR B QUES WILL BE 50x AWESOMER NOW.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Luno on October 23, 2012, 06:14:01 PM
Automated face recognition would be an application they'll want to have in the air, Like the drone spiders in the Tom Cruise Si-Fy.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Charlie Prime on October 23, 2012, 09:00:35 PM
Automated face recognition would be an application they'll want to have in the air

They already have this.

This company sells it to the U.S. government...  http://www.spotrtech.com/products.php

http://www.spotrtech.com/images/SPOTR-logo.png


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: farlack on October 23, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
So what they're flying them, as long as you have nothing to worry about, who cares?


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: myrkul on October 23, 2012, 11:29:59 PM
So what they're flying them, as long as you have nothing to worry about, who cares?
Ever do anything perfectly legal that you wouldn't want on the front page of your local newspaper?


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: TheButterZone on October 23, 2012, 11:57:08 PM
So what they're flying them, as long as you have nothing to worry about, who cares?

Because so many things are unconstitutionally made illegal (mala prohibita) that if we were prosecuted for every "crime" we committed, we'd spend the rest of our lives in prison or be fined into bankruptcy, have every single asset seized, and die homeless, naked, on the street.


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: Richy_T on October 24, 2012, 03:57:20 AM
Between 3d printing and the technology and skills available to the average consumer, it might be interesting to see AI piloted "drone killers" make an appearance. Then the drones will evolve to fight back and before you know it, it's Skynet all over again


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: DoomDumas on October 24, 2012, 05:56:43 AM
Who will have access to the data, cameras, sensors etc..

What if errors occurs ? and it will happen !

What about your privacy ?

Armed drones are the next step.. dont want it at all !

That's sounds so bad to me :(


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: TheButterZone on October 24, 2012, 06:07:37 AM
Drones will have bullets in them... when they land, not when they take off. ;-)


Title: Re: Uncle Sam Prepares To Unleash Up To 30000 Drones Over America For "Public Safety
Post by: myrkul on October 24, 2012, 06:18:33 AM
Drones will have bullets in them... when they land, not when they take off. ;-)

I think that is what was meant by:
BAR B QUES WILL BE 50x AWESOMER NOW.

New redneck sport: Drone skeet.