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Title: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:25:10 PM
i got some bitcoin's from Eclipse mining pool and still i don't have any confirmation's it stay's on zero

it has been almost more than 2 hours

i should have got 12 confirmation's by now but i don't have even 1

still 0-confirmation's


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 05:26:12 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:27:30 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?

yes my blockchain just got a new block 1 min ago


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:30:20 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?

yes my blockchain just got a new block 1 min ago

i got a new again block but still no confirmation's

is miner's not including transaction's in blocks?


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 05:33:34 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?

yes my blockchain just got a new block 1 min ago

i got a new again block but still no confirmation's

is miner's not including transaction's in blocks?

Did you add a transaction fee?


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?

yes my blockchain just got a new block 1 min ago

i got a new again block but still no confirmation's

is miner's not including transaction's in blocks?

Did you add a transaction fee?

i got the payment from eclipse mining pool

don't know whether they include a fee or not


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:45:05 PM
even eclipse has found 2 blocks since i got my payment

didn't they include their own transactions that they paid to miner's in their block's


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?

yes my blockchain just got a new block 1 min ago

i got a new again block but still no confirmation's

is miner's not including transaction's in blocks?

Did you add a transaction fee?

i got the payment from eclipse mining pool

don't know whether they include a fee or not

If you didn't tell them to do it somehow, it didn't happen.  There could be a number of causes for delay here.  The most likely being that the coins sent from the mining pool sent up a red flag to the netowrk that it could be a 'spammy' attempt.  Adding a fee overrides this red flag, but the red flag will not prevent it from being added to a block forever.  Such delays are necessary to prevent malicious attackers from padding the side of blocks with useless data by sending many tiny transactions back and forth between addresses that they own.  If you client can "see" the transaction (i.e. it lists it in the recent transactions page without confirmations) then you *will* get it, but it could be as long as 12 hours.  Much more likely it will be1 hour or so, on top of the 6 confirmations that will then be required before you can spend them again.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:50:34 PM
Need more info. Is your blockchain up to date?

yes my blockchain just got a new block 1 min ago

i got a new again block but still no confirmation's

is miner's not including transaction's in blocks?

Did you add a transaction fee?

i got the payment from eclipse mining pool

don't know whether they include a fee or not

If you didn't tell them to do it somehow, it didn't happen.  There could be a number of causes for delay here.  The most likely being that the coins sent from the mining pool sent up a red flag to the netowrk that it could be a 'spammy' attempt.  Adding a fee overrides this red flag, but the red flag will not prevent it from being added to a block forever.  Such delays are necessary to prevent malicious attackers from padding the side of blocks with useless data by sending many tiny transactions back and forth between addresses that they own.  If you client can "see" the transaction (i.e. it lists it in the recent transactions page without confirmations) then you *will* get it, but it could be as long as 12 hours.  Much more likely it will be1 hour or so, on top of the 6 confirmations that will then be required before you can spend them again.

can i add a fee for the block's i mined to get faster confirmation's

still 0-confirmation's


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
even eclipse has found 2 blocks since i got my payment

didn't they include their own transactions that they paid to miner's in their block's

Not if it had a "red flag".  To do so contrary to the network rules risks getting their block rejected by the rest of the network.  Eclipse shouldn't be creating transactions that are 'spammy' to begin with, but it is just a computer program so there are conditions under which there no other way to create the precise amount.  For example, a transaction that is very small or one that has a lot of inputs can be flagged, even if it's an otherwise perfectly valid transaction.  Again, if your client can see it, it will get it eventually.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
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can i add a fee for the block's i mined to get faster confirmation's

still 0-confirmation's

For the future you can, Eclipse should have an option to add a fee to withdrawals.  However, you cannot add a fee to this one, since it's done and gone.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: deepceleron on October 11, 2012, 05:54:24 PM
You can look at this (large, currently down) web page to see unconfirmed transactions still waiting to be included in a block: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/txlist/. Simply look for your receiving address and see if the payment is there waiting.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Quote

can i add a fee for the block's i mined to get faster confirmation's

still 0-confirmation's

For the future you can, Eclipse should have an option to add a fee to withdrawals.  However, you cannot add a fee to this one, since it's done and gone.

what do you mean by "For the future you can"

if i can't do it now how will i be able to do it in a future


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: gweedo on October 11, 2012, 05:58:04 PM
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can i add a fee for the block's i mined to get faster confirmation's

still 0-confirmation's

For the future you can, Eclipse should have an option to add a fee to withdrawals.  However, you cannot add a fee to this one, since it's done and gone.

what do you mean by "For the future you can"

if i can't do it now how will i be able to do it in a future

For the next time you withdrew he means


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 05:58:27 PM
Quote

can i add a fee for the block's i mined to get faster confirmation's

still 0-confirmation's

For the future you can, Eclipse should have an option to add a fee to withdrawals.  However, you cannot add a fee to this one, since it's done and gone.

what do you mean by "For the future you can"

if i can't do it now how will i be able to do it in a future

You should be able to change a setting on your Eclipse account to add a transaction fee to any withdrawals *in the future*, but this one has already happened and there is no way to recall it in order to redo it.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 06:09:59 PM
still now a single confirmation's

EDIT: STILL NOW NOT EVEN A SINGLE COMFIRMATION


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: MoonShadow on October 11, 2012, 06:11:37 PM
still now a single confirmation's

Once you have one, you will get more with each block.  You're golden now.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 07:27:38 PM
four hours now and still 0-confirmation's


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 07:29:30 PM
what should i do to my coin's now?


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: gweedo on October 11, 2012, 07:37:45 PM
what should i do to my coin's now?

Nothing you can do now, those coins will probably not make it to you and are lost, so next time make sure you have a tx fee and your lesson has been learned. Also stop whining about it, it just makes you look bad.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 11, 2012, 07:40:33 PM
what should i do to my coin's now?

Nothing you can do now, those coins will probably not make it to you and are lost, so next time make sure you have a tx fee and your lesson has been learned. Also stop whining about it, it just makes you look bad.

it is not my mistake

Eclipse pool did not include a fee i did not tell them not to include it.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: gweedo on October 11, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
what should i do to my coin's now?

Nothing you can do now, those coins will probably not make it to you and are lost, so next time make sure you have a tx fee and your lesson has been learned. Also stop whining about it, it just makes you look bad.

it is not my mistake

Eclipse pool did not include a fee i did not tell them not to include it.

Ok it isn't your mistake but nothing you can do now, so just suck it up and deal with it


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: Stephen Gornick on October 11, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
it is not my mistake

Eclipse pool did not include a fee i did not tell them not to include it.

There is a solution to this likely coming in a future release of the bitcoin.org client.     This helps when you then create a spend transaction for the funds that are received but not yet confirmed.  This feature then, used by a mining pool or solo miner, essentially considers those fees in that transaction and realizes that it can't get them without including the prior (unconfirmed) transaction as well and thus will include both transactions in the block.

 - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1647

But you still haven't shared one pivotal detail.  Do you see your transaction in Blockchain.info?   If so, it is likely just a matter of waiting a little while longer.


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 12, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
after 24 hours i got 3 confirmation's and send my coin's


Title: Re: no confirmations it has been 2 hours
Post by: betatest512 on October 12, 2012, 10:17:23 AM
and the coin i sent had 0.001 fee it got 16 confirmation's by now