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Bitcoin => Legal => Topic started by: jimbobway on October 12, 2012, 10:11:43 PM



Title: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: jimbobway on October 12, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
"New regulations by the Federal government define asteroidal material to be an antiquity, like arrowheads and pottery, rather than a mineral — and, therefore, not subject to U.S. mining law or eligible for mining claims."

If bitcoins are created from math, and math was created in the distant past, then one could, ahem, argue that bitcoin could be classified the same as an asteroid.  I am probably streching this but, hey, it'll make for some conversation.

http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/10/12/2031213/the-great-meteor-grab
http://www.space.com/18009-meteorite-collectors-public-lands-rules.html


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: BladeMcCool on October 16, 2012, 05:33:32 PM
I think this argument needs to be tested in front of a jury.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: MysteryMiner on October 16, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Bitcoins should not be classified at all. Meatspace with its greed, oppression and stupid laws and logical, free and self-regulating cyberspace must be separated. Bitcoins belong to cyberspace.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: BlackHeartFund on October 27, 2012, 10:28:35 AM
In all seriousness they are more likely to be legally traded as a commodity.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: InsightSoul on November 03, 2012, 09:19:21 PM
bitcoin is a commodity now


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: grue on November 06, 2012, 03:57:12 PM
that's a terrible argument. it's like saying nothing that is written can be copyrighted because english (and other languages) were created a long time ago.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: franky1 on November 15, 2012, 04:23:41 AM
bitcoin is not a commodity.

a commodity is something people have use of eg food, oil, and minerals to make products out of. bitcoin is just data. no other use in real life situations but to use as a bartering tool.

so not a commodity but an asset, antiquity or currency.

bitcoin is not like gold. bitcoin is more like a famous persons autograph, or artwork. limited supply has no other function but to be stored or traded.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: J-Norm on December 02, 2012, 08:28:00 AM
A gold ring can be made today from old gold, it is not an antiquity.

Bitcoins may have been created by math but the arrangement is new.

No way will they pass as an antiquity, for for a few hundred years.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: dree12 on December 04, 2012, 04:03:54 AM
Honestly, this "classification" nonsense is getting old. Bitcoin is a currency, period. Why? It serves two purposes:

  • It is a medium of exchange.
  • It is a store of value.

"Commodities" and "antiquities" may be stores of value, but definitely not media of exchange. Claiming it is such will never pass in front of a jury. The "but gold" argument doesn't work because when used as a medium of exchange, gold is a currency.

I find it ridiculous how people try to avoid taxation or foreign exchange laws by claiming Bitcoin isn't a currency.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: J-Norm on December 04, 2012, 06:06:10 AM
Ok, sorry. I am going to be pedantic.

An asteroids is a rock floating in space. A meteor is an asteroid as it falls through space. Once it hits the ground it becomes a meteorite.

Please forgive my pickyness over terminology. You may take revenge by making fun of my spelling.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: FreeMoney on December 07, 2012, 07:26:50 AM
Yeah... I classify governments as an antiquity, so there.


Title: Re: Could Bitcoins be classified as an antiquity? (Asteroids are!)
Post by: Adrian-x on December 13, 2012, 07:38:14 PM
In 21 years, I think we'll have collectors of the oldest Bitcoin's (they won't be defined as hoarders anymore) with the least amount of blockchain enters.  There will be collectors of Bitcoin that are imprinted with news stories that were trending at the time of their creation, the more unused (mint) the higher the value. Well have algorithms to calculate the economic value based on withholding the Bitcoin and not spending it in the economy.