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Title: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on September 26, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: randy8777 on September 26, 2015, 12:51:52 PM
if some one found a way to crack our private keys probably. it might never happen, but it is a possibility. or the price of bitcoin gets down to a level where miners shut down their hardware for good.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: TibanneCat on September 26, 2015, 12:55:33 PM
Where do you live?  Hopefully in the land of liberty.

http://www.coindesk.com/russian-ministry-correctional-labor-penalty-bitcoin-crimes/

This won't stop it, a futile attempt to halt technology.

Both China and Russia are authoritarian regimes who feel threatened by anything that challenges their control at home, hence the "anti-bitcoin" regulations

yet chinese and russian citizens are considered some of the most active in the bitcoin scene.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: MicroGuy on September 26, 2015, 01:20:43 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

Bitcoin will never disappear, but the most troubling event at this stage is how "the person Satoshi left in charge of the code has now left the core team."

This has made a dire situation in terms of development, leadership, and direction. With that being said, however, Gavin does have some pretty dumb ideas from time to time. His hairbrained scheme (BIP101) to double the block size every two years is probably the worst idea since the invention of software.

The best thing that could happen would be for me to take charge of the development. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you simply raise the block size limit to 8 MB now, monitor network growth, then implement future forks/updates as needed. This is one line of code change basically.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: NorrisK on September 26, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
I guess the worst thing that could happen to bitcoin at the moment is a way to crack private keys easily from the public key or just by bruteforcing.

As long as people are not losing any of their coins, I don't think bitcoin will be into a lot of troubles.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: maokoto on September 26, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

I have been thinking for a while and I don't come to a scenario that would destroy it completely.

But more scam scandals, or the fall of a big online wallet being hacked and losing their coins could be a big blow.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: CounterEntropy on September 26, 2015, 02:08:55 PM
This has made a dire situation in terms of development, leadership, and direction. With that being said, however, Gavin does have some pretty dumb ideas from time to time. His hairbrained scheme (BIP101) to double the block size every two years is probably the worst idea since the invention of software.
I agree.

The best thing that could happen would be for me to take charge of the development. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you simply raise the block size limit to 8 MB now, monitor network growth, then implement future forks/updates as needed. This is one line of code change basically.
BIP 106 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0106.mediawiki) seems to be a more programmatic approach.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: manselr on September 26, 2015, 02:40:47 PM
I think there is no technological dead end that could put Bitcoin in a position where I would worry about the continuity of the project. My main concern tho, is all governments allying to start a massive disinfo campaign and fearmongering all over the place so Bitcoin never goes mainstream and stays as some niche underground thing. But even then, the project would be unstopable to keep developing and improving and money would come in anyway.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on September 26, 2015, 02:58:41 PM
worst case = BTC zero

 ;)

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BIP 106 sounds interesting.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 26, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
Worst case will be a scenario in which double spending is made possible. The Bitcoin will lose all of its value, and its market cap will come down from $3 billion to $0.000. Hundreds, if not thousands of Bitcoin based ventures (including payment systems such as Bitpay and exchanges such as Bitstamp and Kraken) will become bankrupt and a large number of people will lose their jobs.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: redsn0w on September 26, 2015, 04:02:09 PM
The worst case will be the lost of trust in bitcoin and I'm not talking about the value or the price... only the trust. I don't know what it will lead people to lost confidence in the btc network.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: coinableS on September 26, 2015, 04:03:46 PM
For bitcoin to drop to zero there would have to be a break in protocol or design. For example, being able to extract the private key from a public address so you can spend others coins or the ability to create 'fake bitcoins' without mining them. As long as these two things don't happen, bitcoin will not die.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Herbert2020 on September 26, 2015, 04:03:58 PM
i think the worst thing that can happen is if things like the bitcoin xt arguments create more and more split in the developers and they give up on bitcoin because of this.
also another thing is if the price goes lower after a couple of block halvings and makes the mining unprofitable so miners give up mining.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Amph on September 26, 2015, 04:20:39 PM
worst case is if the price drop around a value that is not profitable anymore for the miners, at that point, they will shutdown their asic, and the netowrk will be unsafe

there is no return from that point, bitcoin would die


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: redsn0w on September 26, 2015, 05:02:54 PM
worst case is if the price drop around a value that is not profitable anymore for the miners, at that point, they will shutdown their asic, and the netowrk will be unsafe

there is no return from that point, bitcoin would die

So the mining of bitcoin will returned to the CPU, this is a good scenario.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: VCLChief on September 26, 2015, 05:17:46 PM
This much be btc doom week! It will pass.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Blawpaw on September 26, 2015, 05:19:01 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

I guess there is no turning back at this point... bitcoin is here to stay. In this case, the worst scenario would be one that might affect the holders; a price crash! if BTC goes under $100 there will be a huge dump... could this mean that bitcoin as a currency might fail or could this mean that BTC is going mainstream?


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: deanbtc on September 26, 2015, 05:20:56 PM
the worst scenario for me is that governments control bitcoin and it wont be decentralized any more


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: celebreze32 on September 26, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
The worst case scenario would be if America banned Bitcoin and the rest of the world followed, although America already decided not to ban Bitcoin in late 2013. If it was illegal everywhere no Bitcoin exchanges could legally operate, and Local Bitcoins would be closed down too. If nobody could buy and sell it without fear of arrest then it would probably result in it becoming worthless, but I don't think a worldwide ban is likely.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on September 26, 2015, 05:38:31 PM
the worst scenario for me is that governments control bitcoin and it wont be decentralized any more

That's not going to happen :


https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

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Of course, actually 'shutting down' Liberty Dollars was as easy as arresting the head of the company and seizing the offices and the precious metals used as backing. The decentralized Bitcoin, with no leader, no servers, no office, and no tangible asset backing, does not have the same vulnerability.

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The system works without a central repository or single administrator, which has led the US Treasury to categorize it as a decentralized virtual currency. Bitcoin is often called the first cryptocurrency, although prior systems existed. Bitcoin is more correctly described as the first decentralized digital currency.

Only thing that make Bitcoin centralized or less anonymous is those shitty exchange that ask you for your ID , passport and residence and this kind of stuff and well .. while buying using Credit card or Bank account or Paypal or whatever , your name will be visible .
That's why people should LocalBitcoins since it's decentralized or people could trade in forums like Bitcoin between them selfs , beside that .. Bitcoin still and will remain Decentralized .


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: M28MmickT on September 26, 2015, 05:39:57 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

I wonder what the market cap of VHS was?  ;D


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on September 26, 2015, 06:17:11 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

I wonder what the market cap of VHS was?  ;D

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/63053379.jpg


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Amph on September 26, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
worst case is if the price drop around a value that is not profitable anymore for the miners, at that point, they will shutdown their asic, and the netowrk will be unsafe

there is no return from that point, bitcoin would die

So the mining of bitcoin will returned to the CPU, this is a good scenario.

i think will not trust anymore bitcoin and it will die instead, like it happened to some altcoin, that tried to conquer again the trust of their users

there no going back, after you return to the initial point


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: buddu on September 26, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
Bitcoin will be more stable and stronger than ever and will be widely adopted and use in my opinion.I don't see any thing what can make Bitcoin disappear.No worry about the future of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: amazonrefunder1 on September 26, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
worst case is if the price drop around a value that is not profitable anymore for the miners, at that point, they will shutdown their asic, and the netowrk will be unsafe

there is no return from that point, bitcoin would die

So the mining of bitcoin will returned to the CPU, this is a good scenario.

i think will not trust anymore bitcoin and it will die instead, like it happened to some altcoin, that tried to conquer again the trust of their users

there no going back, after you return to the initial point

dude BTC is better currency this world just to let u know


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: sana9821 on September 26, 2015, 08:04:06 PM
i think that the worst thing that can happen to bitcoin is that it will be forgotten by all people in the world and its price will drop sharply to only a few dollars each


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: knowhow on September 26, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
The worst thing that may affect bitcoin is satoshi nakamoto makes a new coin and give is face to the new currency ,and say that bitcoin lost his road ,soo he created another coin wich he will lead ,im pretty sure market will react very fast if the real satoshi appears with a new crypto currency.Those would mean a fight to mine the new coin and to get it the faster as possible dreaming to achieve the price of bitcoin of 200 or 1000 dollars the diference should be satoshi presence that his the huge mind of bitcoin.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Pab on September 26, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
 China and Russia are two diffrent worlds.ForChinise btc was gambling,legal gambling.In China gambling is iligal,so they travel to Macau to gamble.It is only for very wealthy chinise,becouse Macau isone of the most expencive place in the world.Now ordinary chinise are loosing intersted in btc,chinise exchanges are going down.No more customers


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: knowhow on September 26, 2015, 09:30:06 PM
China and Russia are two diffrent worlds.ForChinise btc was gambling,legal gambling.In China gambling is iligal,so they travel to Macau to gamble.It is only for very wealthy chinise,becouse Macau isone of the most expencive place in the world.Now ordinary chinise are loosing intersted in btc,chinise exchanges are going down.No more customers

Bitcoin is loosing interest i doubt from the country which has the biggest farms on their country.Trading less bitcoin means all wanna it to gain value,soo in a medium time market will be working on supply and demand,and demand will be bigger,since no one wanna to sell it too soon.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Mickeyb on September 26, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

The only thing that comes to my mind is having some major bug that would cause the people to lose their coins. But if this hasn't happened in 6 years, I don't see it happening now neither.

If Bitcoin would have to die, I see this possible death as rather slow and painful, not a quick death.

Also I don't think that if some country would ban a Bitcoin that this would destroy us. You cannot destroy decentralized movement so easy!


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Q7 on September 27, 2015, 03:16:45 AM
At this stage after 6 years, a vulnerability hack on the system is very much unlikely. Any loophole would have been found by now. What I worry is more towards the collapse of a reputable exchanger the scale of Mt gox size to again dent the trust of the people but that won't lead to a complete meltdown. It will be a slow gradual decline.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on September 27, 2015, 06:51:44 AM
At this stage after 6 years, a vulnerability hack on the system is very much unlikely. Any loophole would have been found by now. What I worry is more towards the collapse of a reputable exchanger the scale of Mt gox size to again dent the trust of the people but that won't lead to a complete meltdown. It will be a slow gradual decline.

Personally I'am not worried about the exchanges at all , I think they all learned the lesson and even if they are holding few BTCitcoin online , most of them should be in cold storage , so they shouldn't get screwed all at once .


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Amph on September 27, 2015, 07:26:02 AM
worst case is if the price drop around a value that is not profitable anymore for the miners, at that point, they will shutdown their asic, and the netowrk will be unsafe

there is no return from that point, bitcoin would die

So the mining of bitcoin will returned to the CPU, this is a good scenario.

i think will not trust anymore bitcoin and it will die instead, like it happened to some altcoin, that tried to conquer again the trust of their users

there no going back, after you return to the initial point

dude BTC is better currency this world just to let u know

yeah but perhaps you didn't read what i've wrote, if the worst case scenario happen, you can't simply restart from zero, and believe that anyone will treat bitcoin as it is right now


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Kprawn on September 27, 2015, 07:39:22 AM
I guess my worst case scenario would be, if a competing technology comes from the financial industry, that solve all of the troubles Bitcoins is struggling with now and the

incentive to use Bitcoin decline. This is not unrealistic, because they already started development of their own "Private" Blockchain technologies. At this stage Bitcoin is

still in front when it comes to innovation, but they stole the idea, and they have loads of our money to fund proper development.  >:(


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: FanEagle on September 27, 2015, 07:48:54 AM
Well, I remember that a "new" thing is first watched bad, then restricted, then hated, then accepted. it was like that right?
I don't know why it's being looked bad, if we all look at the criminals intents then we should ban even real world currencies.

Plus: If someone finds bad intents to act, it will always find a way of earning on the top trending currency.
No matter if its real world cash, trading object or a futuristic coin.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: neurotypical on September 27, 2015, 01:00:15 PM
I guess my worst case scenario would be, if a competing technology comes from the financial industry, that solve all of the troubles Bitcoins is struggling with now and the

incentive to use Bitcoin decline. This is not unrealistic, because they already started development of their own "Private" Blockchain technologies. At this stage Bitcoin is

still in front when it comes to innovation, but they stole the idea, and they have loads of our money to fund proper development.  >:(

There's nothing under the sun that would solve the fundamental Bitcoin problems (that cannot be solved within the Bitcoin technological framework).
The main problems of Bitcoin are basically technological progress one. Namely, technology is not advanced enough to run worldwide transactions on-chain.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: gentlemand on September 27, 2015, 01:57:19 PM

So the mining of bitcoin will returned to the CPU, this is a good scenario.

There'll still be warehouses filled with ASICs that can't do anything else. They'll always be with us in some form.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Frijj on September 27, 2015, 02:12:55 PM
Now & After 6 years from the creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto , what's the worst case scenario that could happen to Bitcoin and make it dissapear once for all in your opinion , personally I guess it will be little bit hard to get 3 billion USD market-cap business  destroyed just like that .

The worst case scenario is that bitcoin falls to such a low price that mining becomes unprofitable and the miners pack up. That would be the only death blow really. Even if bitcoin doesnt go fully mainstream I think it will survive as an alternative payment system even if the only thing people are buying with it are drugs.


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Betwrong on September 27, 2015, 02:47:17 PM
The worst case scenario IMO is a panic among Bitcoin holders when the price of bitcoin is dropping. If all of the Bitcoin holders will start selling their BTC fearing that they'll lose even more if they wait a couple of days the consequences of the panic could be disastrous. Fortunately this won't happen because there are enough smart folks among BTC holders who will start buying at low price.   ;)


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: Slark on September 27, 2015, 03:42:24 PM
The problem with bitcoin is that it is purely virtual entity. It is hard to estimate assets cap of all bitcoin projects and startups.
Some say it is over 3 billion dollars market, but bitcoin companies are 'weak' they do not produce anything, they do not supply people with ideas.
They are so far only payment processor companies, wallets and financial institutions (exchanges).


Title: Re: Now & After 6 years , what the worst case scenario ?
Post by: pereira4 on September 27, 2015, 07:00:51 PM
The problem with bitcoin is that it is purely virtual entity. It is hard to estimate assets cap of all bitcoin projects and startups.
Some say it is over 3 billion dollars market, but bitcoin companies are 'weak' they do not produce anything, they do not supply people with ideas.
They are so far only payment processor companies, wallets and financial institutions (exchanges).

Well then what is Blockstream? There are advancements of the technology happening all the time trying to improve it, Blockstream is a clear example, im sure there are more stuff happening out there, but a lot of people seems to be fighting to become the PayPal of bitcoin. I hope they all go bankrupt, Bitpay seems like it's already headed to fail. Good riddance.