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Title: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: newtons1 on September 27, 2015, 08:26:16 AM
User RGBKey (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182468) is making a large number of one sentence posts at a high rate of speed and is making the viewing experience of the threads he is posting in to be unpleasant.

He has made 17 posts in the span of 18 minutes and 3 seconds, proof (https://archive.is/IFu1x).

I would like to formally request that someone with legal ban authority to review his case to prevent additional unpleasant viewing experiences. 


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: redsn0w on September 27, 2015, 08:56:23 AM
User RGBKey (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182468) is making a large number of one sentence posts at a high rate of speed and is making the viewing experience of the threads he is posting in to be unpleasant.

He has made 17 posts in the span of 18 minutes and 3 seconds, proof (https://archive.is/IFu1x).

I would like to formally request that someone with legal ban authority to review his case to prevent additional unpleasant viewing experiences. 

Have you reported the most 'spammy' post of RGBKey?


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: Athertle on September 27, 2015, 11:59:07 AM
IMHO, his posts aren't "spammy" enough to be counted as nonconstructive posts. I noticed he has quite a few posts in threads that have an endless discussion (example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138816)) but staff don't ban people like that. And if the posts are passable, the time frame in which you post doesn't really matter (correct me if I'm wrong on that).


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: VirosaGITS on September 27, 2015, 12:02:38 PM
IMHO, his posts aren't "spammy" enough to be counted as nonconstructive posts. I noticed he has quite a few posts in threads that have an endless discussion (example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138816)) but staff don't ban people like that. And if the posts are passable, the time frame in which you post doesn't really matter (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

His post quality is low, however is not spam. He is most likely trying to get all the posts he need for his signature campaign. While this can come up as annoying for some users, it's fine even if poor practice.

OP can go check the signature campaign's rules to see if posting that way is not respecting the minimum post quality and then report it to the Campaign Manager, but unless OP is on a personal grudge, i would avoid this witchhunt.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: Lauda on September 27, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
And if the posts are passable, the time frame in which you post doesn't really matter (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Of course it matters. It matters a lot actually. Good luck convincing me that someone read the whole thread and formulated (and typed) a constructive reply within 5 minutes. In my opinion it is pretty obvious that  he's spamming only because of his signature campaign. A lot of low quality one liners which at times seem to be random. People need to really take their time and write proper replies. The situations in where a one liner is constructive and useful are rare.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: VirosaGITS on September 27, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
And if the posts are passable, the time frame in which you post doesn't really matter (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Of course it matters. It matters a lot actually. Good luck convincing me that someone read the whole thread and formulated (and typed) a constructive reply within 5 minutes. In my opinion it is pretty obvious that  he's spamming only because of his signature campaign. A lot of low quality one liners which at times seem to be random. People need to really take their time and write proper replies. The situations in where a one liner is constructive and useful are rare.

You rarely need to read a whole thread to reply something constructive and relevant or proper by just reading the last page. But i agree that;

Quote
Re: Satoshi is a girl?   on: Today at 04:59:38 AM
Even if this was true...why would it matter? Satoshi created a great thing and we're all happy for it.

Is pretty Generic and doesn't bring anything to the discussion. He's not replying to the actual current topic, while staying only on topic based on the Thread's name.

But if that's spam and worth deletion, then you'd have thousands of posts per day to delete. I try to continue discussion by addressing previous posts and typically the poster don't even read reply or even read what was just said Above.

So basically i can give a lot of info about where to get a certain card, then the 3 next posters after my post will reply directly to the Thread name "Oh right, there's no such card that exist." =/


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: Blazed on September 27, 2015, 04:08:28 PM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: newtons1 on September 27, 2015, 04:19:24 PM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.
This is very disappointing. I do not think his posts are adding anything to any of the conversations and can be generally be described as useless. The fact that he was making one post every 106.05 seconds, on average should be fairly solid evidence that he was not even reading the threads he was posting on.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: VirosaGITS on September 27, 2015, 04:35:38 PM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.
This is very disappointing. I do not think his posts are adding anything to any of the conversations and can be generally be described as useless. The fact that he was making one post every 106.05 seconds, on average should be fairly solid evidence that he was not even reading the threads he was posting on.

I agree with you, but thats the way it is around here. As long as "low post quality" is okay for the campaign he signed in, then he's clear. He's not breaking bylaws and he's absolutely not the only one. Like i just said, more than half the posts in Bitcoin Discussion is like that. Pages and pages of nonsense, so i don't blame legit people doing discussion from skipping the pages by the dozens.

The topics are much more rich in hardware, market and support threads.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: GannickusX on September 27, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.
This is very disappointing. I do not think his posts are adding anything to any of the conversations and can be generally be described as useless. The fact that he was making one post every 106.05 seconds, on average should be fairly solid evidence that he was not even reading the threads he was posting on.

I agree with you, but thats the way it is around here. As long as "low post quality" is okay for the campaign he signed in, then he's clear. He's not breaking bylaws and he's absolutely not the only one. Like i just said, more than half the posts in Bitcoin Discussion is like that. Pages and pages of nonsense, so i don't blame legit people doing discussion from skipping the pages by the dozens.

The topics are much more rich in hardware, market and support threads.

Not really, a lot of people get banned for low quality posting, even if they are not spamming but i agree that some of the campaign managers are a little bit too, well they are not doing their job correctly.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: VirosaGITS on September 27, 2015, 09:00:11 PM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.
This is very disappointing. I do not think his posts are adding anything to any of the conversations and can be generally be described as useless. The fact that he was making one post every 106.05 seconds, on average should be fairly solid evidence that he was not even reading the threads he was posting on.

I agree with you, but thats the way it is around here. As long as "low post quality" is okay for the campaign he signed in, then he's clear. He's not breaking bylaws and he's absolutely not the only one. Like i just said, more than half the posts in Bitcoin Discussion is like that. Pages and pages of nonsense, so i don't blame legit people doing discussion from skipping the pages by the dozens.

The topics are much more rich in hardware, market and support threads.

Not really, a lot of people get banned for low quality posting, even if they are not spamming but i agree that some of the campaign managers are a little bit too, well they are not doing their job correctly.

Ban from what? The campaign? Because according to the forum rules, low quality posting isint spam/flooding.
If the campaign manager are supposed to be kicking users with bad quality posts from their campaign, then i would gladly like they start tightening the screw. There's some pretty interesting topic i'd like to actually discuss but my posts are stuck between a flood of different meaningless posts.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: newtons1 on September 28, 2015, 12:17:39 AM
This person has recently made an additional 54 posts in the span of 1 hour, 7 minutes and 6 seconds, that is an average of 1 post every 74.5 seconds.

Exactly 8 of the posts take up more then one line on my screen, and the remainder of his 54 recent posts take up less then one line on my screen.

If posting this kind of insubstantial posts is not against any kind of rule, then can someone please confirm this so this thread can be closed?


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: --Encrypted-- on September 28, 2015, 12:30:57 AM
His post quality is low, however is not spam. He is most likely trying to get all the posts he need for his signature campaign. While this can come up as annoying for some users, it's fine even if poor practice.

OP can go check the signature campaign's rules to see if posting that way is not respecting the minimum post quality and then report it to the Campaign Manager, but unless OP is on a personal grudge, i would avoid this witchhunt.

those posts won't get counted because that signature campaign already ended. so in the end the dude spammed for nothing.

from what I've seen, posts like that won't get you perma-banned. so the only way to get them to stop is to let badbear or theymos know (via the report button or PM) as they are the only people who can temp-ban.

edit:
he said (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126158.msg12532982#msg12532982) he got paid. but I doubt it's true. it's not even wednesday.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: poeEDgar on September 28, 2015, 12:35:26 AM
This person has recently made an additional 54 posts in the span of 1 hour, 7 minutes and 6 seconds, that is an average of 1 post every 74.5 seconds.

Exactly 8 of the posts take up more then one line on my screen, and the remainder of his 54 recent posts take up less then one line on my screen.

If posting this kind of insubstantial posts is not against any kind of rule, then can someone please confirm this so this thread can be closed?

Quickseller, your rabid obsession with bitcointalk is showing. Just FYI. ;)

There's no shortage of these kind of posters.... sounds like a can of worms to me. No way this could be equally enforced.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: hilariousandco on September 28, 2015, 06:21:55 AM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.

It's not ok and we're currently discussing ways to get on top of sig spam but it's a losing battle especially when certain signature campaign managers don't do any sort of quality control and just pay people for half-assed posts. If they did their job and didn't pay poor quality/half-assed users there wouldn't be these types of posts.


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: GannickusX on September 28, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.
This is very disappointing. I do not think his posts are adding anything to any of the conversations and can be generally be described as useless. The fact that he was making one post every 106.05 seconds, on average should be fairly solid evidence that he was not even reading the threads he was posting on.

I agree with you, but thats the way it is around here. As long as "low post quality" is okay for the campaign he signed in, then he's clear. He's not breaking bylaws and he's absolutely not the only one. Like i just said, more than half the posts in Bitcoin Discussion is like that. Pages and pages of nonsense, so i don't blame legit people doing discussion from skipping the pages by the dozens.

The topics are much more rich in hardware, market and support threads.

Not really, a lot of people get banned for low quality posting, even if they are not spamming but i agree that some of the campaign managers are a little bit too, well they are not doing their job correctly.

Ban from what? The campaign? Because according to the forum rules, low quality posting isint spam/flooding.
If the campaign manager are supposed to be kicking users with bad quality posts from their campaign, then i would gladly like they start tightening the screw. There's some pretty interesting topic i'd like to actually discuss but my posts are stuck between a flood of different meaningless posts.

Havent you seen people getting banned for low quality posts + sig ad, i have seen plenty of them in the meta postig about their bans because they used to post low quality posts


Title: Re: Can someone with Ban authority look at recent posts of RGBKey
Post by: VirosaGITS on September 28, 2015, 11:23:54 AM
A majority of the posts here are like that and have been for a long time. From what I can tell this is perfectly fine here so nothing will be done. You are allowed to post only to get paid here so long as you make it over a few words. Useless walls of text are also fine so long as they are somewhat on topic and not just a copy/paste from elsewhere. I am sure that guy probably has several accounts to farm the campaigns with.
This is very disappointing. I do not think his posts are adding anything to any of the conversations and can be generally be described as useless. The fact that he was making one post every 106.05 seconds, on average should be fairly solid evidence that he was not even reading the threads he was posting on.

I agree with you, but thats the way it is around here. As long as "low post quality" is okay for the campaign he signed in, then he's clear. He's not breaking bylaws and he's absolutely not the only one. Like i just said, more than half the posts in Bitcoin Discussion is like that. Pages and pages of nonsense, so i don't blame legit people doing discussion from skipping the pages by the dozens.

The topics are much more rich in hardware, market and support threads.

Not really, a lot of people get banned for low quality posting, even if they are not spamming but i agree that some of the campaign managers are a little bit too, well they are not doing their job correctly.

Ban from what? The campaign? Because according to the forum rules, low quality posting isint spam/flooding.
If the campaign manager are supposed to be kicking users with bad quality posts from their campaign, then i would gladly like they start tightening the screw. There's some pretty interesting topic i'd like to actually discuss but my posts are stuck between a flood of different meaningless posts.

Havent you seen people getting banned for low quality posts + sig ad, i have seen plenty of them in the meta postig about their bans because they used to post low quality posts

No but i guess it make sense, if the mod/admin at the time feel a bit vindictive, they can probably temp ban the user because if there's something no one like receiving, its spam. Maybe its not that they don't punish users for poor generic posting but that there's so many, they can't get them all.

You'd need to employ some police group just for that and i guess that is more trouble than its worth, since it would probably *10 the amount of people asking about their ban. I guess there's no getting away from the spam either way.