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Title: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: cryptocoiner on September 27, 2015, 12:29:51 PM
PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS: Stop dithering and FIGHT, Russian leader tells West

VLADIMIR Putin has stepped up Russia's military presence in Syria and told the west it must back its leader Bashar al-Assad in order to tackle the growing threat of Islamic State (ISIS).

The superpower has brought in 28 fighter aircraft and thousands of soldiers to the war-torn Middle East country to support the Assad regime.

That puts Russia in direct opposition to a US-led coalition which has brought military action against the Syrian government.

The US has accused Syria of a series of atrocities against its own people.

But Putin said backing Assad was the only way to defeat the terrorism rapidly growing in the area.

In a televised interview Putin said action against Assad's government would "create a situation" seen in countries such as Libya "where all the state institutions are disintegrated".

He added: "There is no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the effective government structures and rendering them help in fighting terrorism."

Putins calls come as Britons also back a military offensive against ISIS.

Findings of a poll released today show nearly half (46 per cent) want troops on the ground fighting terrorists in Syria.

Only 31 per cent of those asked were against such an operation.

The survey, carried out by Sky News, also found almost three quarters backed bombing specific targets in the region.

It came weeks after it was revealed the Government had killed two Britons fighting for ISIS in a drone attack in Syria.

Assad's regime is at war with ISIS but the west is carrying out air strikes against both sides of the conflict.

more - http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/608121/Putin-west-Assad-fight-against-ISIS



Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: Daniel91 on September 27, 2015, 12:43:48 PM
It's just politic game, Putin want to save Assad, his last friend and ally in that area.
Syria is very important strategic nation and super powers ( USA and RUSSIA) have a lot interest there (oil, geostrategic position etc ).
Average people in Syria have no use for it and suffer still in the war-troubled country.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: cryptocoiner on September 27, 2015, 12:55:36 PM
It's just politic game, Putin want to save Assad, his last friend and ally in that area.
Syria is very important strategic nation and super powers ( USA and RUSSIA) have a lot interest there (oil, geostrategic position etc ).
Average people in Syria have no use for it and suffer still in the war-troubled country.


Nope. You are wrong. Putin trying to save Assad couse if syria will fall then all middle east will be on fire. Islamic state will eventually take everything. Dozens of countryes. In middle east, in north africa, then in asia and in caucasus region. That's why syria is a crucial point. That's why america wants to break it.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 27, 2015, 04:42:59 PM
It's just politic game, Putin want to save Assad, his last friend and ally in that area.
Syria is very important strategic nation and super powers ( USA and RUSSIA) have a lot interest there (oil, geostrategic position etc ).
Average people in Syria have no use for it and suffer still in the war-troubled country.

Putin doesn't care much about Bashar al Assad. But he want a secular leader to rule Syria, as all the other countries in the Middle-East are now ruled by Wahabbist and Salafist rulers. Also, the ISIS is a real threat to Russia. If ISIS spreads to the Caucasus region (Chechenya, Daghestan, KBR, KCR.etc), then hell will break lose in Russia.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: vero on October 10, 2015, 04:04:03 AM
This might work for us. With the IS militants going to war against Russia. the US and others, we could find a joint effort that will make all of us with one goal, no more IS militants.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: ridery99 on October 10, 2015, 05:58:54 AM
Putin is just cleaning a mess caused by USA a bit. Putin is only one who can solve Syrian crisis, USA can only make it worse.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: gogxmagog on October 10, 2015, 03:03:06 PM
yeah. good for putin. he's showing obama what a guy with actual balls does to freaks like ISIS

meanwhile, in america, http://streetcarnage.com/blog/islamophobiaphobia/ (http://streetcarnage.com/blog/islamophobiaphobia/)


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: Tzupy on October 10, 2015, 05:45:13 PM
Actually, it's the opposite, Putin helped daesh: because of Russian bombing of the FSA, daesh have been able to launch a new local offensive.

And there's other news: a Russian jet that has entered Turkish airspace (probably north of Aleppo) has been shot down, circumstances are still unclear.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bryant.coleman on October 10, 2015, 07:04:25 PM
Putin is just cleaning a mess caused by USA a bit. Putin is only one who can solve Syrian crisis, USA can only make it worse.

USA is having sinister intentions. They want to destabilize the Middle East (as they have done with Iraq, Yemen and Lebanon), and increase their weapon sales. Also, they want to re-distribute the oil and gas fields in the Middle East, to the American corporations (a notable example is that of Iraq, where American corporations now control almost all of the petroleum assets).


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: skeletonbit on October 11, 2015, 04:21:15 AM
The official spokeswoman for Russia's Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova is addressing a number of issues, including Moscow's airstrike campaign in Syria at today’s news conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY1HZdUtu8E


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bryant.coleman on October 11, 2015, 04:24:37 AM
And there's other news: a Russian jet that has entered Turkish airspace (probably north of Aleppo) has been shot down, circumstances are still unclear.

It was an unsubstantiated rumor, which was later proved to be false. Earlier there were reports that the Turks had shot down a Russian MiG-29 fighter jet. The comedy is that Russia doesn't have any MiG-29s in Syria. However, the regime air force uses them. The regime sources also confirmed that all their MiG-29s are safe and accounted for.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: fuddudle on October 11, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
There is some fear that a war by proxy will occur now that russia is entering the fray.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on October 11, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
This is just another political approach he is using to prove that Russia doesnt support terrorism .Most of the guns supplied to IS radicals are MADE IN RUSSIA and this survey was conducted by Vice itself .Since Obama is taking few measures to eradicate terrorism from Syria ,I think its a huge political game .We are just blind folded to this entire scam .Please dont believe the media .


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bytezero on October 14, 2015, 09:43:12 PM
I think the cold war never ended, and from my point of view Syria is a boardgame in a game between big sides..


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: Gronthaing on October 15, 2015, 03:35:01 AM
This is just another political approach he is using to prove that Russia doesnt support terrorism .Most of the guns supplied to IS radicals are MADE IN RUSSIA and this survey was conducted by Vice itself

But that's weapons the islamic state captured right? Not given or sold to them by russia. Probably just captured from the syrian forces. But they have weapons from all over. American weapons, russian weapons, chinese weapons, etc.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: SerenaL on October 15, 2015, 03:53:55 AM
I only see it as Russia trying to score political points with the international community. There are islamophopic citizens of russia as well that will be pleased by it.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: skeletonbit on October 15, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
Why is the USA NOT Bombing ISIS?


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: apollofire on October 15, 2015, 10:07:19 AM
I dont know if War is the solution for the ongoing crises but Russia should make sure that no innocent die because of their action. Hope Syria crises will end in this year.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: BTChaintrader on October 15, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
I dont know if War is the solution for the ongoing crises but Russia should make sure that no innocent die because of their action. Hope Syria crises will end in this year.

Unfortunately there is no ending to the Syrian crisis in Syria continues to exist. In my opinion the crisis will end when Syria gets splitted between the parties.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bitbunnny on October 15, 2015, 11:03:45 AM
I also thing that Syrian crisis will not end that soon. And Europe is flooded with refugees, it's getting worse each day. Dont' see how we can cope with this this on a long term basis.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: Otherguylb on October 15, 2015, 12:14:14 PM
I am not a fan of Putin by no means, but the problem is - whole world was asking Europe and USA to take action against ISIS and they declined, probably because there is no material gain there, no oil and stuff. Now when Putin intervened and attacked ISIS, he got criticized. Weird world or I just don't understand this conflict well.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: chrisbasket on October 16, 2015, 12:40:14 PM
It is extremely funny to even consider the reality behind the dark curtains of the modern times RTS game that is politics and war declarations. Well, whatever war declarations are left because nowadays you don't really need one. Putin vs Isis would make a great t-shirt logo though.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: catch.me.if.you.can on October 16, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
Why is the USA NOT Bombing ISIS?

Because they drink beers together! lol


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bryant.coleman on October 17, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
The advantage with the Russian pilots is that they doesn't need permission from Vladimir Putin to take out the ISIS targets every single time, a luxury which is not offered to the NATO pilots. Also, the NATO guys need to make sure that they are not targeting the American allied Jihadists by mistake. In the past 2 weeks, Russia has taken out more IS targets than the NATO has managed in the past 2 years.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: practicaldreamer on October 17, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
Why is the USA NOT Bombing ISIS?

Well I suppose the US is having its cake and eating it - the Russians are doing the job for them, but the US still gets to demonise the Russians, cos, well, the bad guys that the Russians are targeting are the wrong bad guys  ???

US foreign policy (at least that represented to the public via propoganda) hasn't made any sense for a while - its kind of schizophrenic.

What I really want to know is, are either the good bad guys or the bad bad guys really bad at all ? And how would I know one way or the other ?





Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: Gronthaing on October 17, 2015, 11:53:28 PM
Why is the USA NOT Bombing ISIS?

Well I suppose the US is having its cake and eating it - the Russians are doing the job for them, but the US still gets to demonise the Russians, cos, well, the bad guys that the Russians are targeting are the wrong bad guys  ???

US foreign policy (at least that represented to the public via propoganda) hasn't made any sense for a while - its kind of schizophrenic.

What I really want to know is, are either the good bad guys or the bad bad guys really bad at all ? And how would I know one way or the other ?





You wouldn't. Not with the mainstream media. But the answer changes depending on who you are. To the russians the good bad guys and the bad bad guys are fighting against the syrian government the russians want to help stay in power. So they are both bad. To americans they are both good for the same reason. The good bad guys in particular because maybe they will follow american commands. The bad bad guys maybe won't but are useful too. To the people living there everyone is probably bad: their oppressive government, the russians that are supporting them, extremists like isis and other rebel forces, the americans that created and support them, etc.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: bryant.coleman on October 18, 2015, 06:16:02 AM
There are obvious signals coming from Syria that the ISIS is close to collapsing. The Islamists are retreating to their last stronghold of Raqqa, and most of the foreign fighters are fleeing back to their home countries (with the exception of fighters from the former USSR). The Russians should have started their campaign two years ago. Could have saved 250,000 lives.


Title: Re: PUTIN goes to WAR against ISIS
Post by: MikeCoin on October 18, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Why is the USA NOT Bombing ISIS?

Because they drink beers together! lol

They are but putin has to many jets out usa Will crash into russia