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Title: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: ammo88 on October 21, 2012, 09:39:29 AM http://static.blockchain.info/pools.png?format=png
Doesn't that scare u ? :o OK the "Unknown" could be, and probably is, several people and not just one. But I suspect SOMEONE is mining with ASICs .. ! Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: psilan on October 21, 2012, 09:45:14 AM Good lord.
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: BeetcoinScummer on October 21, 2012, 09:50:02 AM *Shudder*
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: cedivad on October 21, 2012, 09:53:15 AM Is it possible to have an historical version of that graph?
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: goxed on October 21, 2012, 11:35:08 AM timbers
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Cablez on October 21, 2012, 01:10:23 PM Srsly?
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: jamesg on October 21, 2012, 01:20:21 PM Please do your homework before posting FUD. Blockchain.info's way of collecting this data is far from perfect.
I would recommend checking out http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php If you like pie charts better, http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php Please read the block origin site to better understand why Blockchain.info's data collection methods are borked. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: max in montreal on October 21, 2012, 02:05:04 PM You can see right away that there is a flaw...it says unknown...then other unknown...how do they know? ;)
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: deepceleron on October 21, 2012, 02:06:47 PM Block finding is up 11% in the past four days, since the record difficulty change of 3,072,322. Somebody definitely turned something on.
This is the bulk of the unknown mining as shown in the pie chart: relayed by 82.130.102.160 (http://blockchain.info/blocks/82.130.102.160). However the blockchain.info is not reliable, I was able to verify many of those "mystery" blocks are 50BTC blocks by looking at their pool solved blocks list (https://50btc.com/worker/stats#solvedBlocks). The links above were 100% correct on 50BTC blocks for the same period. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: cedivad on October 21, 2012, 02:09:06 PM Block finding is up 11% in the past four days, since the record difficulty change of 3,072,322. Somebody definitely turned something on. This is the bulk of the unknown mining as shown in the pie chart: relayed by 82.130.102.160 (http://blockchain.info/blocks/82.130.102.160). However the blockchain.info is not reliable, I was able to verify many of those "mystery" blocks are 50BTC blocks by looking at their pool solved blocks list (https://50btc.com/worker/stats#solvedBlocks). The links above were 100% correct on 50BTC blocks for the same period. Almost sure that this one is the Swiss researcher mining with their university supercomputer (search for previous post about this) Code: % This is the RIPE Database query service. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Frizz23 on October 21, 2012, 02:37:23 PM Is it possible to have an historical version of that graph? Good point! I was also looking for this kind of information (nothing found so far) for a definitive proof. But I (manually) observed this increase over the last few weeks - going from 35% to 39% to 40% ... and not 43%. IMHO there is someone mining with ASICS. I assume it's BFL. There have been accusations before - and they denied it. But I'm pretty confident their ASICs are ready to go - and already started mining. So BFL will mine for 2-3 month (delaying shipments with some lame excuses from October to November, from November to December, etc.) making shitloads of money. And after that sell/ship their ASICs. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Xch4ng3 on October 21, 2012, 03:00:46 PM Quote So BFL will mine for 2-3 month (delaying shipments with some lame excuses from October to November, from November to December, etc.) making shitloads of money. And after that sell/ship their ASICs. My first thought when I read this thread. By the time it comes to ship them out the difficulty will have been effected by them mining but by then they've already made thousands and who knows maybe even millions from mining and pre-orders. I just don't understand the point in selling those machines when they could easily hook thousands up themselves and keep the profit. It'd be like giving away a cash machine. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: cedivad on October 21, 2012, 03:09:08 PM Quote So BFL will mine for 2-3 month (delaying shipments with some lame excuses from October to November, from November to December, etc.) making shitloads of money. And after that sell/ship their ASICs. My first thought when I read this thread. By the time it comes to ship them out the difficulty will have been effected by them mining but by then they've already made thousands and who knows maybe even millions from mining and pre-orders. I just don't understand the point in selling those machines when they could easily hook thousands up themselves and keep the profit. It'd be like giving away a cash machine. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Frizz23 on October 21, 2012, 06:02:06 PM I just don't understand the point in selling those machines when they could easily hook thousands up themselves and keep the profit. It'd be like giving away a cash machine. Simple! They give it away once it's no cash machine any more (when difficulty is sky high). That's after they have mined for a couple of month - in Feb/Mar 2013. Which means the next 3-4 month we get lots of lame excuses from BFL why they can't ship. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Akka on October 21, 2012, 06:09:30 PM Come down, a big part is only the ETH Zuerich www.ethz.ch/.
And they are not mining, they are simply running a (super) node (IP: 82.130.102.160) with their University Internet access. Their Node has nearly 1500 connections to other nodes, including a direct connection to blockchain.info. Therefore they are able do distribute fund blocks faster through the network than the miner himself. See the big orange spot here: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay that's them. So everything is alright. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: DoomDumas on October 22, 2012, 06:59:07 AM Come down, a big part is only the ETH Zuerich www.ethz.ch/. And they are not mining, they are simply running a (super) node (IP: 82.130.102.160) with their University Internet access. Their Node has nearly 1500 connections to other nodes, including a direct connection to blockchain.info. Therefore they are able do distribute fund blocks faster through the network than the miner himself. See the big orange spot here: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay that's them. So everything is alright. Wow, quite a nice link :) Just wondering, 1- Mining on a pool does not count as a node... true ? 2- Running a bitcoin client 24/7 with 8 connections, this is a node ? ( If yes, I can see my lonely tiny blue bar on that cute globe :) quite interesting and funny ! ) I'll enjoy an answer to both question ( I presume : yes and yes)! :D Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Akka on October 22, 2012, 09:20:35 AM Come down, a big part is only the ETH Zuerich www.ethz.ch/. And they are not mining, they are simply running a (super) node (IP: 82.130.102.160) with their University Internet access. Their Node has nearly 1500 connections to other nodes, including a direct connection to blockchain.info. Therefore they are able do distribute fund blocks faster through the network than the miner himself. See the big orange spot here: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay that's them. So everything is alright. Wow, quite a nice link :) Just wondering, 1- Mining on a pool does not count as a node... true ? 2- Running a bitcoin client 24/7 with 8 connections, this is a node ? ( If yes, I can see my lonely tiny blue bar on that cute globe :) quite interesting and funny ! ) I'll enjoy an answer to both question ( I presume : yes and yes)! :D Yes and yes. (But the pool itself is a node) But on that globe you see only nodes that have a direct connection to blockchain.info. Its pretty unlikely, that you have one if you only have 8 connections. I have between 30 and 50 (always somewhere between that) and have never seen my IP in blockchains IP list. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: DoomDumas on October 22, 2012, 03:02:15 PM Interesting, thanks for the answer :)
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: jl2035 on November 08, 2012, 11:45:13 AM It's interesting to me that deepbit had the biggest part on that pie chart and now it's just average...
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: strideynet on November 12, 2012, 06:17:10 AM They ain't hashing cau it isn't a perfect roi. If dey sell it it's already made profit. Aka they are wary of the bitcoin and think it not a great place to invest. But they also think we are easy to sell to.
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: MrTeal on November 12, 2012, 06:33:59 AM The other (more accurate, IMO) chart still has Deepbit in a close 3rd place.
http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/top.php Blockchain has never done Deepbit properly. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Fcx35x10 on November 12, 2012, 02:39:57 PM ohh all the drama :-X
could it be russians botnets? Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: organofcorti on November 16, 2012, 11:51:35 AM Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: k9quaint on November 17, 2012, 05:32:12 PM p2pool not accounted for?
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: jl2035 on November 18, 2012, 05:46:09 PM p2pool not accounted for? ...and it has quite a noteworthy share.Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: MrTeal on November 18, 2012, 05:48:51 PM P2Pool is accounted for, it's in with the 3rd tier pools.
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: k9quaint on November 18, 2012, 06:16:59 PM P2Pool is accounted for, it's in with the 3rd tier pools. I don't see it mentioned in anyone's graph. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: MrTeal on November 18, 2012, 06:18:39 PM P2Pool is accounted for, it's in with the 3rd tier pools. I don't see it mentioned in anyone's graph. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: bcpokey on November 18, 2012, 06:54:16 PM This might help Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Graet on November 18, 2012, 11:20:15 PM gmaxwell went out of his way to make a sticky on this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123726.0 I know 'unknown" currently has all of Ozcoin's stratum blocks, if this is happening with other known pools mining stratum blockchain.info will be even less accurate than usual. Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: k9quaint on November 20, 2012, 04:47:04 AM Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: bitboyben on November 25, 2012, 05:50:24 AM I was scared. But hen I read the posts. Now I can sleep.
Also is this evidence they are burning in the ASICS !!!??? Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: Fcx35x10 on November 26, 2012, 01:41:43 AM yah this raises my eye brows. could this be ASIC testing for reals? why would they test on the live network tho? :/
Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: MrTeal on November 26, 2012, 02:37:56 AM yah this raises my eye brows. could this be ASIC testing for reals? why would they test on the live network tho? :/ Ummm... Money? Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: organofcorti on November 26, 2012, 02:38:40 AM yah this raises my eye brows. could this be ASIC testing for reals? why would they test on the live network tho? :/ What could be ASIC mining? Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: bitboyben on November 26, 2012, 02:50:29 AM yah this raises my eye brows. could this be ASIC testing for reals? why would they test on the live network tho? :/ What could be ASIC mining? BFL hardware burn in? Title: Re: 50% hashing power = unknown... are u scared yet? Post by: organofcorti on November 26, 2012, 02:57:34 AM yah this raises my eye brows. could this be ASIC testing for reals? why would they test on the live network tho? :/ What could be ASIC mining? BFL hardware burn in? I meant what was the indicator that led him to believe ASICs might be mining? |
