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Title: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: scorpion38 on September 29, 2015, 10:32:38 AM
Hello,

It's the first time I use Electrum and I didn't notice that the address would automatically expire after one transaction...

I gave the same address for two transactions. And obviously it expired after the first transaction.

So I'm just waiting in vain for 2.6 BTC. Is there any chance to see them back?

Cheers


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: ca333 on September 29, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
Hello,

It's the first time I use Electrum and I didn't notice that the address would automatically expire after one transaction...

I gave the same address for two transactions. And obviously it expired after the first transaction.

So I'm just waiting in vain for 2.6 BTC. Is there any chance to see them back?

Cheers

Electrum has all privatekeys you used stored. You can use the addresses again and again.
If you want to look the list click on the tab "Addresses".

thank you,
ca333


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: scorpion38 on September 29, 2015, 10:39:29 AM
Thank you for your answer :)

I was actually really worried. Just have to be patient then!


Cheers


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: altcoinhosting on September 29, 2015, 10:42:42 AM
ca333 is exactly right... I just wanted to add that there is nothing you have to do manually.

Electrum will just add any incoming satoshi's to your grand total, and combine these inputs to create a new output whenever it's needed...

 ;D


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: shorena on September 29, 2015, 11:52:42 AM
Thank you for your answer :)

I was actually really worried. Just have to be patient then!


Cheers

If you are worried about a certain transaction you can post the TX ID or one of the addresses involved. That way we can take a look at it with e.g. blocktrail or another blockchain explorer and see if there is anything holding it back (e.g. a low fee or unconfirmed inputs).


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: 3888 on September 29, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
All your addresses can be found under the 'Address' tab.

Once a address has been used it is moved to a folder called 'Used' so if you do not see one of your older addresses then make sure to check the 'Used' folder.

And as others have already mentioned, all your addresses remain valid, they do not 'expire'. You can receive funds on any of the addresses so you can give a single address out multiple times for various transactions.

You mention you are new to 'Electrum', did you make a backup of the seed words? If not then please do and keep that backup in a safe place. Without that you will not be able to recover your Electrum wallet should something go wrong. Most of the problems posted here in regards to Electrum has to do with people who forgot to backup the seed words and because of this could not access and or recover their wallets.


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: BitMaxz on September 30, 2015, 02:47:24 PM
Dont worry if you the btc to expired your btc will get back to your account just like mine but too long time. mine is 5 days before my btc came back... wait for 5 or 7 days if your btc will not came back just update here and we will help you...


Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: altcoinhosting on October 01, 2015, 10:56:49 AM
Dont worry if you the btc to expired your btc will get back to your account just like mine but too long time. mine is 5 days before my btc came back... wait for 5 or 7 days if your btc will not came back just update here and we will help you...

Are you sure about this?
If you send BTC to an existing address, i don't think it'll just come back because the addy is shown as expired.

My guess about this situation would be:
  • you sent BTC to an existing address but didn't add sufficient fees. The transaction wasn't included in a block because no fees were added. You stopped transmitting the transaction, and the network forgot about it (so the BTC ended up in your overview again)
  • you sent BTC to your own "expired" addy (not really expired, but it might give the impression of being expired when you're new to electrum). You didn't add enough fees, so it took 5 days to be included in a block and was shown under your own overview

I could be wrong about this, i'm only learning myself, but i guess that might explain the situation?



Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
Post by: ca333 on October 01, 2015, 03:00:58 PM
    Dont worry if you the btc to expired your btc will get back to your account just like mine but too long time. mine is 5 days before my btc came back... wait for 5 or 7 days if your btc will not came back just update here and we will help you...

    Are you sure about this?
    If you send BTC to an existing address, i don't think it'll just come back because the addy is shown as expired.

    My guess about this situation would be:
    • you sent BTC to an existing address but didn't add sufficient fees. The transaction wasn't included in a block because no fees were added. You stopped transmitting the transaction, and the network forgot about it (so the BTC ended up in your overview again)
    • you sent BTC to your own "expired" addy (not really expired, but it might give the impression of being expired when you're new to electrum). You didn't add enough fees, so it took 5 days to be included in a block and was shown under your own overview

    I could be wrong about this, i'm only learning myself, but i guess that might explain the situation?




    It would only come back and not be accepted by majority of the miners if its a "bad" tx (insufficient fee, dust outputs, etc.). The case he describes is when the network rejects your tx and "forgets" it.

    And your second case...:

    Quote
    • you sent BTC to your own "expired" addy (not really expired, but it might give the impression of being expired when you're new to electrum). You didn't add enough fees, so it took 5 days to be included in a block and was shown under your own overview

    ...would show him at least the balance (which would give the impression it "came back immediately" as he sent it to himself).

    So i think he sent it to somebody else, then it got rejected by network and came back. I had a similar situation. Took 2-3 days.


    Title: Re: Receiving bitcoin on expired wallet ?
    Post by: Abdussamad on October 01, 2015, 03:29:02 PM
    Addresses never expire. This thread is based on a misconception. People replying to the OP need to stop talking about addresses or wallets expiring.