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What Are Your Thoughts On Vegans? Or Going Vegan ?

Do you have concerns about animal abuse by eating meat or using animal products?

Do you feel strongly that it is your right to eat meat?

I believe strongly that we have a right to eat meat.

I believe strongly that our meat is usually being messed with, with GMO feed, and hormones, etc, and it makes me sick to think about what we could be putting in our bodies. I'm trying to wean myself off of meat, but still occasionally eat chicken.

Nothing wrong with vegan food as a side-dish for a nice chunk of meat :). A bit more seriously, we are designed to be omnivores. That "omni" thingy includes meat and fat as well. BTW the first and last fully vegan humanoids, the Paranthropus robustus chewed nuts, roots and bulbs and got extinct eventually, while their scavenging cousins the Australopithecus africanus happily turned to our progenitors.

we are designed to eat meat, i do feel bad for the farm animals but not bad enough that i'd accept being weak and skinny like plant eaters

i agree.thinking of being vegan is the beginning of foolness  and being vegan is the complete form of foolness.

I've seen this chart below been passed around vegan circles saying that we aren't omnivores, any thoughts on the chart since you seem to know some stuff on the matter:

http://vegaprocity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dietarydifferences.jpg

Lots of vegans will try and push this argument, that humans are not technically omnivores. It's complicated, but we know that humans have eaten meat for at least 10,000 years (probably much longer) and our physiology points towards us being omnivorous. It seems silly to say we're not omnivorous, because we can digest vegetables and meat (we have the enzymes present in our gut to break down meat). Just because we don't need meat, doesn't mean we are herbivores/frugivores.

Anyway, I've never thought this argument mattered much, because we know that you CAN survive as a vegan (albeit with a little difficulty). And most intelligent vegans will use another, more compelling argument - The reason, they say, that we shouldn't eat meat is because we know that we don't need it, and we also know that animals are suffering as a result of our meat-eating.

Now personally I think most vegans are shooting themselves in the foot when they try and recruit others, by saying that killing animals is morally wrong. This is because most people won't make such a drastic change to their diet (like many people, I love meat too much to give it up).

What they should be doing, is getting people to eat free-range, outdoor reared animals rather than cheap shitty battery animals. This way, everyone wins - The animals don't suffer and have a happy life, the farmers get paid more, and the consumer gets tastier, healthier meat. If every vegan did this instead of trying to guilt trip everyone into giving up meat, there would be more happy animals in the world.

Vegan can be a delicious meal but im not going to do it for the rest of my life, going vegan doesnt mean your going to be healthy anyways.
so id rather eat both so i can be benefit from the nutrients they give.

Funny they skip about the use of our canines? this chart is made for a unwinnable argument again`ts meat lovers.

Note that in the diagram, below, humans are almost exactly the same as frugivores. This match is Biblically correct. In the Beginning, God commanded people to eat fruit (tomatoes are fruit). He didn't seem to say anything about vegetables or animals. Yet, after the Great Flood of Noah's day, God told Noah that people can eat animals, as well.

Presently, people's digestive systems are designed to digest fruit or meat best. We can, and should eat various forms of vegetables, grasses, and herbs in small quantities, according to what our individual systems can handle, mostly as digestive tract stimulants, but also for phytonutrients and some trace minerals.

Definitely, if we can find a source of extremely healthy fruits and vegetables, where we don't need the special nutritional help that we get from eating meat, this would be best.

Warning to meat eaters. Eating excessive amounts of meats can be habit forming, and can cause bad health if fruit and vegetables are not consumed, or only consumed in very small quantities. Older adults should be especially wary about consuming large amounts of processed milk.



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I guess the vegans would argue that the animal still gets killed at some point in their life even if free range against their will.  Probably in a period of being in their prime also.  Just saying.  Agree on some of the points for sure.

Currently im mostly a pescetarian fwiw but had a chicken burger a month ago  ;D


So the overall feeling here is that the chart is total horsecrap?

Cats eat grass. Yes they do. They are meat eaters, but they eat grass at times for enzymes and phytonutrients. You can vary your diet and still be the kind of being that falls into a specific group... especial if you are a human, and have free will, rather than being controlled by instinct.

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I respect their opinion and belief but also expect that they respect my opinion and that don't try to force people around them to follow their life style or give them ''guilt'' feeling because they are responsible for ''killing animals''.
I don't like such attitude and sometimes they act as some religious sect, pushing their agenda and don't accepting other people's opinions.

Yup, thats what my cat did when he got into a fight and got wounded in his neck (it was pretty nasty) and when I was gonna take to the vet he left house for a week.
And then i saw him eating some grass next to our neighbor.

i agree with this. and when im not respected on this subject , i think i dont want to be a fool by being forced by a herd of fools so i reject. it is everyones own choice and problem

Someone that don't eat meat is just an hippie. And hippies are like faggots : unnaturals !  And as you know, everything that is unnatural need to be cleaned... Maybe you'll tell I'm hard, but go tell to the fox that he has no right to eat rabbits ! That's just ridicule !

Some of my friends gone vegan. So now I know there are two types of vegans: the first one includes those who do not eat meat and all meat related products for their reasons but they do not enforce their ideology; the second one includes those who can't help but enforce their views on everyone around.

I can easily get along with the first type. I respect their views and I never eat meat if they can watch I'm eating and they never talk about  "poor animals which get slaughtered by evil humans".

And with the second type ... Well, we are not friends anymore.

I was brought up a vegan, but since living away from parents, i've become a regular meat eater.

I must say, i hate being skinny and that's something that parents don't tend to think about too much for a growing lad!

It's scum like you who needs to - and eventually will - be wiped out from the face of the earth. Anyways, I love these threads, they help my already huge ignore list to grow even more.

No, it's just that people who know better are aware that:

1 - These forums are full of Russians and eastern Europeans with a stone age mindset.

2 - Even worse, these forums are also full of dog eating Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese and other subhuman Asian scum.

3 - There's no point in trying to argue with individuals from groups 1 and 2.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the holy rollers and other assorted religious fundamentalists. It still amazes me that crypto gave birth to a "community" that's essentially a disgusting living cesspool.

What you say is intolerant. So now I'm on your ignore list and you won't see this post ? I don't care because that's because you close your eyes to don't see the plague that it doesn't exist ! People who don't eat meat are stupid because their body need it.

Humans can survive on a wide variety of diets including a vegan diet. I personally think it is healthy to base my diet around vegetables, starches and only a tiny bit of meat.

There is one way to make every one a vegan
we need to feed our kids with just veggies from when they have there first meal from a child
and learn them about animals have feeling just like you and me ..
but also they will lead a healthy long life ..
BUT i love a bacon butty and i have tried quorn and its not nice ..
so no chance for me to be a vegan or my child i fed her meat so to late ..
but  MASSIVE RESPECT TO YOU FOR BEING A VEGAN YOU ARE SUPERSTARS IN MY EYES..

 so av a nice day all you vegans and may you live long and prosper ;D

Losvienleg ..go and jump off the roof head first you plant pot ..
DUMB ASS  ;D

I dont have any issues regarding people being vegans, I consider that as a very healthy lifestyle as for me I even tried being a vegetarian for almost a year and it did have an positive effect on one's own physical body.

I have nothing against Vegetarians of Vegans. Except when they feel the need to get in my face about my choice to eat meat, an tell me how wrong I am. Those people are fanatical. Fanaticism is never good. I understand and respect their opinion and choice, I just want the same in return.

My better half is vegan. I am not. I don't think I would have any problems going vegan since a lot of it is really good food, but I like meat too and don't have any plans to stop eating it

I voted YES. Crazy times has come, and what meat industry doing to animals its not nice at all. What we buy in stores its not healthy for sure. Just for high quality food u need money, its expensive to eat healthy.

I've found this site to be quite reasonable prices and I always end up with free shipping: vitacost.com They've got some really good, tasty, healthy stuff there.

I eat just fish cause fishes can live their lives freely in the sea and they're just killed once when we need to eat them, without all the caged life that a chicken or a similar animal need to do in a modern food industry.

I know of people who have cured various ailments by going vegan, I believe it can be quite healthy.

My health is fine and I like meat and dairy so I won't bother for now.

I could care less about the ethics. The cruelty makes it taste better. Why do you think veal tastes so good. Or pate de foi gras?

And my wife looks fantastic in fur

So you haven't heard of fish breeding ponds or industrial breeding...

http://egyfodder.com/Files/Images/512%D9%85%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B9%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%83%20%D9%81%D9%89%20%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AA.jpg

my donkey is vegan too :).

The regrettable fact that you exist is actually your cunt mother's fault for not having aborted you.

I strongly agree, no to veal, no to foi gras, fuck it, it's suffering, insane, typical of plant prohibitionist bent on alcoholizing the people to have them be docile slaves.

I agree fur is hot, when it's not the last for a sustainable dna diversity. everything in measure.

I don't buy breeded fish

That diagram is a bit funny. Bears and rats are both considered (according to their natural diet) as omnivores, however their teeth couldn't be more different. According to what we know about our ancestors diet, most hominids never been clearly herbi- or frugivores. Even our most closely related "relatives" the chimps are hunting for other primates. (BTW gorillas and orangutans are not meat eaters but they are eating considerable amounts of insects and eggs, so they are also consuming animal proteins.)
Actually the best argument against veganism is the B12 vitamin. Vitamin B12 is an absolutely essential thing, to keep our machine ticking. There are plenty of B12 in meat, but scarce in plants therefore vegans need vitamin supplements. Same thing applies to iron, iodine, zinc, calcium, vitamin D, Omega fatty acids, and so on. So, if being vegan is so natural, fine and dandy and we don't need no stinkin' meat then why they have to take artificial stuff like vitamin and mineral pills?
I think this chart is BS, and the author(s) cherry picked a few things to support their claims, but ignored a lot more what doesn't fit to their views.

If you are not living next to a fishing port, and used to shop from the local fishmonger then probably most of your fish, and other swimming/crawling see-stuff came from an industrial fish farm, where they using quite similar methods like in a "chicken factory".

And you know that how? They don't print that info on cans.
You'd have to get it straight from a fisherman to be sure.

In almost every bigger shops or chains you can buy "wild-caught fish". If you have a good and trustworthy fishmonger then you will also have the option to get real fish. Of course in both cases you have to pay a premium price :).

I buy fish in the local market, fisherman here just take the fish out of the sea, he does not breed them or is actually limiting their freedom as long as they aren't taken out of water.

the real question is : what do aliens eat...

second question at which point there isn't enough trace mineral to sustain human life on earth? burning the dead may be the only solution to disperse... solient green is untasty.

I prefer wild fish, there is a better pollution dispersion. you eat farmed fish... you get mono-accumulation quickly. Unless they are feeded with quality feed, but most of the time it's sewer sludge recompacted with rest of fishes. (again thx RT).

the euro trash would never have told us.

What fish can you eat which are surely from the sea? - and i dont mean the ones you catch yourself.  I know salmon is from a farm pretty much always.

for the sake of completeness, i don't eat salmon

I don't think they farm raise halibut, do they? You can always go fishing as well.

Or simply go to a local market near the sea

Save a cow, eat a vegan.

you can always ask your fishmonger more data about what he sells... and if doesn't cooperate, not buy :). we want moar data S: bender (fish oil, or palm oil?). catched fish vs farmed fish

refer to https://libcom.org/library/social-anarchism--lifestyle-anarchism-murray-bookchin

no opinion(s)? only copy-paste?

Read more at http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/vega-brilliant-blue-white-is-third-brightest-star.

Did you mean somebody from the star Vega when you said "Vegan?"

 ;D

So if I grill some vegans, do I need any sides?

Veganism is good, it's just that you need to get enough vitamin B12. Being a vegetarian for 8 years++, I have cut milk and I hardly eat eggs nowadays but let's see

It's ok to be vegetarian or vegan for health reasons or any other than being a hippie. Also, posting stupid siht like that chart is what I love about them hc vegans and also, arguing in person is amazing. I remember my brother, who is a biologist, was arguing with some vegan how humans arent evolved to eat meat. :D

I think that not everyone can give up the food of animal origin. I like to eat meat, and I can not imagine a diet without this product

we are designed to eat meat, i do feel bad for the farm animals but not bad enough that i'd accept being weak and skinny like plant eaters.
I think that not everyone can give up the food of animal origin.
I voted YES. I know of people who have cured various ailments by going vegan, I believe it can be quite healthy.

So, on one hand you wouldn't accept being a skinny plant eater, but you voted "yes" as if you'd consider becoming one?
You are one strange individual.

On topic, I like meat and I wouldn't go vegan. I don't mind if other people are as long as they aren't trying to push me into veganism or make me feel guilty.

I don't know how people can live on vegetables in life alone. :-[

ROFL... my thoughts as well. For the past many millions of years (ever since the humans evolved as a separate species), humans have been eating vegetables, as well as meat. Pure vegetarianism is a very recent ideology. It is like going against nature.

I respect their decision and life style.
They don't harm others and generally they are positive and friendly people.
I have a few vegan friends and I respect them.
Some of them became vegans because of sickness.
It's seems that their health is better now.
Generally, I think that it's natural to eat meat to, not just vegetables :)
Look for examples nature, big animals eat small animals, like lions.
It's natural order.

I also can not give up meat. Without it, I'm hungry. Even eating a huge amount of food, I continue to feel hungry. I could not give up the food of animal origin

I don't really share how vegans feel about eating meat as ever since people have been eating livestock and poultry for sustainance. Let's face it, you won' t get all nutrients you need simply by consuming vegetables and fruits. Although i respect vegans for what they stand for but for me we need meat or at the least me and my family need meat so sustain what we need nutritionally

It is natural for humans to eat meat. Ever since the human race evolved, we were predominantly a hunter-gatherer society deriving most of the proteins from meat and fish. Even now, certain primitive societies depend entirely on fish and meat for their diet.

No way I could become vegetarian or vegan, I've had a few friends over the years who are offer me vegetarian recipes which copy traditional meals and they're always saying "It tastes JUST like ..." and it never does...

"Do you have concerns about animal abuse by eating meat or using animal products?

Do you feel strongly that it is your right to eat meat?"

Does a wolf feel the guilt when he eats his prey? Does any predator feel guild when he eats his prey? Why should human feel guilt? Just because we raise those animals as their sole purpose to feed us?

"Do you feel strongly that it is your right to eat meat?" It's not a right, it's a biological need.

I have one friend that's vegan and whenever I go to his place, his whole kitchen is stacked with vitamins and kinds of proteins, since human can't satisfy the needs from eating just plants, don't be stupud.

Food is made for all whether it's from The Himalaya or deep into the Ocean. Depending upon the situation and environment people back in 1000's of year practice eating local foods,meats and so do their generation learn that. We are humans and we know well about every food content, it's mineral value and whether it will be healthy for us or not. So, i think there should be no gap or difference between foods of any kind (meat,fruit,grains etc) and vegans should concerned about it. Different food have its own quality and some may like it and some may not but we should enjoy every thing given by this beautiful nature,world till it exists. Vegans and also every vegetarians should realize it. It's time to get up and have some thrilled KFC.
And yes i'm never going to be Vegan or Vegetarian.

I think everyone holds the right to eat whatever he/she wants and take the consequences of his/her actions, afterwards, but not to force others to eat/leave a kind of food just because he/she thinks it's unhealthy, involving animal abuse,... etc. But come on, everyone needs the protein of meat, you can't just replace it with protein of vegetables or beans.

For Example, I don't eat fish or seafood and I have weak bones due to the lack of calcium. Egg, Milk and cheese can't simply fulfill the lack of calcium that fishes provide. I'm fully aware of that and take the responsibity for it, but I don't force my family to drop fish/seafood from their food list.

This is surprising. I have always thought that dairy products contained far more calcium, when compared to seafood and meat. Anyway, if you don't want to take seafood, then you can try other vegetarian alternatives, such as tofu, green beans, almonds, okra, broccoli.etc. If that doesn't work, then you need to take supplements.

Being vegan is a partly a healthy lifestyle, but for me I wouldn't enjoy food that much if I limit myself. I do feel that it is not a crime to eat animals and as long as the production of these animals are still good I think we can still add it to our meals for we gain a lot of nutrients that we need in our bodies. I just feel that substituting all  the food that I need would be really hard especially on baking because it's very hard to find the right consistency in pastries.

Indeed, cows and their farts have been consensusly figgured to  be a major contributer to global warming, so it is our duty to Mother Earth to kill them, and cut them into slabs of juicy flesh, and roast those slabs of juicy flesh, and eat those delicious steaks.

We all consider what are the positive and negative effects of being a vegan. Being a vegan is like you are going on a diet, no meat, all vegetables diet only. We all know what are the nutrients and other substances for vegetables, nevertheless, meat also have other nutrients for our daily lives that we needed. If we are going to vegans, are we ready for it?

people who are just eating herbs or fruits is just okay if that is what they want. but i think before they go to being vegan they already know the taste of meats. so if a person switch to being a vegetarian we should respect his or her decission.

In India and Nepal, it is illegal to kill the cows (due to the Hindu tradition of worshiping cows). The ban is not applicable to the other cattle, such as buffaloes. So don't ask for beef steaks during your Indian visits.  ;D

Life is equal, where is the starting point of vegetarianism? So for plants, is it fair. Animals may be able to express, but does not mean that plants do not have equal status. I often think this is a law of the jungle world, in order to explain why I eat meat, of course, can not be contrary to the laws of nature, do not know if this is not my self deception. It is like the subjective and objective of philosophy, the truth is always relative.

Haha that's what I like, a true American spirit. You reminded me how delicious a grilled steak is.
Meat is tasty and healthy, I don't see why I should stop eating it. It surely won't stop others from killing and eating animals. Also, what should we do with old animals, that we know will die in a couple months, keep feeding until they drop and burry them? What a waste of tasty meat this would be.

eating meats is healthy as you can gain proteins from meats. it helps our muscle to buid up. we need to build up our muscle to be productive every day. but the enery we need is on the fruits and other carbs to energize our day.

Vegans suck. They think they're better from the rest of society because they are saving animals, but really it's just another fashionable bullshit. A fad some bored rich folks made up.

Vegans are generally more pale because without meat intake, they tend to develop a lack of iron, which is a necessary element in your blood to help you be healthy. If animals were not readily available to be slaughtered, butchered, cooled, aged, prepared and eaten, it would be the case to not eat meat for the populations of the world, generally speaking, but this is not the case. The important thing for me is that the animals are shot effectively and accurately, with the least amount of suffering and pain possible. When this is the case, I will eat my steak without feeling guilty.

They have the right to eat whatever they want or not, but humans by nature are designed to eat meat that is a fact and there is no way to change it, so I eat meat to have a healthy diet.

Its a well known fact that going Vegan is the healthiest choice if living but it can be very expensive. In my honest opinion I think the best choice is mixing it up but one's diet should mainly consist of veggies and occasionally a small amount of meat.

I do believe that the body itself regulates the amount of necessary substances. All people who choose vegetarianism are getting very negative consequences for the body in 5-6 years. Vegetarianism is bad. Everything needs balance.

Though we have the right to eat meat the vegans have also made some point that we are not omnivores. Their basis was the formation of our teeth and some parts of our body. According to them we are not born to eat meat since our body is not made to eat meat and I somehow believe that point. For some reason the human body has met illness due to ingesting meat and that is due to our body not really suitable for meat. But I want to eat meat since it is delicious but more importantly let us keep a balance diet and also eat fruits and vegetables.

In school we were taught that primitive people lived through hunting and only then began to develop horticulture. Why vegetarianism is a myth. Man is omnivorous. Although to be honest, I pity animals and I would love to become a vegetarian.

I like meat but stopped eating Veal and other red meat. After watching a video on youtube that showed a meat processing plant and how they farm and process veal is just horrifying. I may even stop eating chicken. But going Vegan worries me, I don't want to get sick because I'm not eating meat.

If you don't want to eat processed red meat and intensively-farmed beef, then why can't you purchase meat from ranches where free-roaming cattle are processed? Grass-fed beef is another option. Most of the chicken also come from plants where intensive farming is practiced. In my opinion, you should go for organic meat, if you can afford it.

If I were to watch all the gory youtube videos I will never eat anything, but eventually I'll become so hungry, that I will eat something, but with distaste nonetheless. To be honest, I have a feeling the whitish meat needs to be taken too, not only the red type of meat. Actually I love the fish food and I think it is very yum.

I respect them. Would i become a vegan in the future? No. But i understand why they choose to be one.

Vegans simply doesn't like the idea of killing another living creature to feed themselves. They say that every living thing on earth has a right to live.

The thing is... We humans are both carnivorous and herbivorous. We are just like any other mammals on the planet but smarter. We can choose to be herbivorous and can live as healthy as anyone i guess. Its all about choices.

A lion doesn't think about those and eats whatever creature it catches. It does what its nature commands.
Since we are only smart animals, why do we fight against our nature?

Thinking too much on those might make you gay. I would rather prefer to stay as an animal.

P.S. I like fish and chicken more than the red meats. (I still eat both) I don't know if this makes any difference...

Yes, we are smart moral animals. Even with a nature that commands we eat among other things meat too, we don't eat each other. Luckily.  :D

A lot of vegan food, fruits, vegetables, nuts, grain.

They could be contaminated with pesticides or glyphosate from gmo's.

 :-\

Well I don't have anything against vegans though I don't consider myself becoming one as well. I appreciate the reason why vegans don't eat meat but I think people also need to eat meat for sustenance and needed nutrients. people have been eating livestock ever since and I don't think there's anything wrong with that same as there's nothing wrong with being a vegetarian

I understand how vegans feel about eating meat but for me, I can't see myself living exclusively on vegetables and fruits. I think vegans are doing it for a noble cause but personally, there are animals that are bred to be eaten for our nutrition as well

It is very difficult to know whether these foods contain GMOs or not. In only a few countries, it is mandatory to display GMO labels on such food items. Most of the time, the consumer does not know whether he is purchasing GMO food or non-GMO food. The only safe alternative is to purchase food imported from countries such as Russia, where GMO food is banned.

I believe body self-regulates and vegans will suffer few years after eating only plants

The food of the world nowadays are full of chemicals, there is nothing natural about the food we eat nowadays, everything has been genetically modified. No matter Vegan or not, we are all eating nothing natural being made from the food proccessing companies except the one which we grow ourselves.

I don't believe that man can be strong and muscular without meat in his ration

No. It is possible. If you intake good quantities of protein, then your muscles will be strong and big. I agree that meat is a good source of protein. But there are other purely vegetarian sources as well, such as cheese, soya, yogurt, whey.etc.

True, you get all these other protein products, but absolutely non of them satisfies the tummy like a good chunk of meat. It's psychological in my case. I need to chew the flesh of an animal (non-human).

You don't have to be 'pale' and 'weak' on a vegan diet at all.  Some of the world's best weightlifters are vegan:

http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/articles/why-americas-best-olympic-weightlifter-is-vegan-w434203 (http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/articles/why-americas-best-olympic-weightlifter-is-vegan-w434203)

and if you think vegan food is bland and tasteless (or expensive for that matter) then try this recipe- it's AWESOME!

http://gimmedelicious.com/2016/01/31/baked-buffalo-cauliflower-wings/ (http://gimmedelicious.com/2016/01/31/baked-buffalo-cauliflower-wings/)

If they are screaming about the meat we eat then why God greats the animals we eat? Human can't live health without meat, may vegan must take some pills to take all this vitamins meat gives to them, so it's better to put chemical stuff into our bodies than meat. I don't like that millions of cows and pigs etc are killing every day but that's how life is. Just deal with it and continue your lives. If you don't want to eat meat good, but you can't stop me or anyone else, from eat meat.

I wouldn't be able to live without meat but can understand other people preferences.

Well I think there's too much unnecessary drama about being a vegan or not, apparently vegans think it is not healthy that you eat meat and non-vegans think that vegans are just being too nosy about what they should or should not eat. Don't force your beliefs on what you think is the better one, if you want just provide facts or stats to show how your way might be the better one, and if the other person doesn't think that they want to change anyway, why continue nagging them?

That is not true. I am non-vegetarian, but I know that a pure vegetarian diet causes no nutrient deficiencies (if the diet is a balanced one). The vegetarians just need to eat protein rich food, such as yogurt and soya.

I was a meat eater, and I believe that if we eat meat, will greatly assist in hormones, psychology, and fitness (strength). I think of vegetarians just the nature of human disorders. although it isn't wrong to do that. However, the balance organs of body must be maintained with complete nutrition.

The assumption is:
- vegetarian = warm water
- non vegetarian = cold water

Do you want to live without enjoying the freshness of cold water?

Of course I would choose both.

I am thinking about to be vegan for a month, how it will effect my body?
Do i still need to eat meat to get all the vitamins?

In India (especially in North India), a majority of the people are vegetarian. And as far as I know, they don't face any serious nutritional deficiency. The Indians consume a lot of paneer (cottage cheese) and dal (pigeon pea). Perhaps that is the reason.

You have a valid point. Whereas paneer contains 0% iron for daily intake, the dal does contain 28% iron intake per day per 100 grams. I however, will get sick of eating dal day in and day out, month after boring month. Give me fish food and red and white meat instead and I will have inner peace.

In my opinion everything rolls down to an individual's choice whether its vegan or meat lover. I would recommend folks stop stating meat lovers encourage animal cruelty as we dont.

Please.. Don't go vegan man.. Its hard >.< We really need meet no matter what so we can be strong vegans are strong too but they lack some fats that we really need in our daily life and i feel strongly to eat meat its not really abusive but its for food animals doesn't even have emotions and its nature they eat their own kind we eat their kind so its nature :D 

I think even going vegan for a few days a week can help your body to become more healthy -
too much cheese and fatty meat isn't good for anyone!  It helps the environment too, it takes
a lot more water and energy to grow a cow than the equivalent in plant protein.

But.. each to his (or her) own.  if you want to try some great recipes though, there are
tons here, most of them more delicious than you would believe - and definitely not boring:

http://www.101cookbooks.com/

I have noticed deliciously looking recipes on the mentioned site indeed, and as I am an omnivore, I don't see harm in trying those. However, I did notice as well Pickled Turmeric Eggs, which, by its very nature, do not qualify as strictly vegan. Plus, make sure you don't use any fats or anything else deriving from any animal whatsoever, when preparing recipes, otherwise your vegan ideals will stumble, fall and crash to the ground.

I'd go vegan if I could
I was always afraid I couldn't get sufficient nutrients in order to regain my strength after an excersize or a hard work somewhere

I find it very noble that some people refuse to eat other animals since they're also living beings
That's what I found most astonishing about buddishm, a religion that finally doesn't put humans above everything else

But I am too weak to try it out

Cheers to those who are vegan!

You can replace the white meat with mushrooms. If cooked properly with all the needed spices, then mushroom tastes like white meat. Tofu is another option which you can try. Also, you can try some of these options:

http://www.peta.org/living/food/meat-replacements/

Personally, I love meat. I eat it almost everyday, especially chicken or red meat. So I would never go vegan, I don't

think I could go 2 weeks without meat. As for people who are vegan, I think of it almost like an allergy. If any

meat or animal related items makes you feel sick and upset, you might as well be allergic. To give up such a basic

part of human nature, being an omnivore, takes a lot of will power and is something I will never do.

I think we need meat, some of the nutrition from meat is good for our body, but i plan to decrease my meat consumption, i ever being vegan for a month, and i can feel the difference, when you become vegan you become more patience and your digestion is better, but less power, that is why i suggest a balance food between vegetable and meat

Eating meat is part of our daily diet, we need both meat, fruits and veggies for us to live. There are nutrients that only meat can give.
But, I am salute to those who can live in vegan only, i wish I could be like them also, at my age my doctor said that I am overage so I feel that I need to begin eating vegan only, how just I wish I can.

From your site, surely you will not wish me a vegan diet on almost only burgers and hot dogs. Plus, please take note from OP poll that the question is about whether you will consider going vegan. The only thing of notice here, is that not even a quarter of respondents will do the "consideration", which is a far cry from taking any adequate action whatsoever. It seems Vegans are fighting only a honorary battle, to be commended for their bravery.

I am indifferent to them. This is their life and they themselves choose what to eat. Those who become vegan fashion trends are vigorously propagandizing this trend and for many they seem to be bad.

Being a vegan would have been difficult in the beginning. Vegan means we only eat foods that are vegetables and fruits. Vegans do not eat foods derived from animal, be it meat or eggs. Being vegan is something that is very good for health. But in most animals are the source of many vitamins and protein. Vegans do not eat meat and eggs mean life becomes vegan will lose how delicious taste of meat and eggs, and they are also good for health

I treat them normally if they do not try to impose my way of life on me. I eat meat and I like it, because the body needs all trace elements. Perhaps in the future I will reduce the amount of meat, but I can not completely refuse.

That's the problem with a lot of the Vegans that are present today, at least the ones that I've met. The big thing that they love to do is to shit on all of the foods that you eat and they love to compare themselves and their eating habits to you, which is something that just bothers me.

If Vegans want to do what they want they can and I won't care, but once someone starts bothering me on what I do and what I eat that's when I personally feel that they've crossed the line and are going to have to take one step back.

So, Vegans are fine unless you bother me about my eating habits.

Among the Hindus, being vegetarian means getting an elevated status in the society. Vegetarians forms the elite group of the Hindus. Those who eat meat occupy the middle group. And those who consume beef are treated as the lowest tier.

Thanks for the info. I didn't have prior knowledge about that. Anyways, I have big respect for vegans, I'm not a vegan myself but its hard to be one day in day out and as what the poster above said a lot of willpower. And there is also the health benefits that goes along as well. But are there any studies saying that being a vegan is better than any other healthy eating diets like Atkins? Because I never encountered one? If anyone knows, can you put me out to the right direction?

Going vegan is good for the body, they are healthier than the meat they we consume as long as the vegetables that we eat are rid of the chemicals that are used in grow them.  Though the chemicals helps them grow faster and bigger, the chemical will have a side effect on the human body so if am gong to go vegan, i will go for home grown vegetables.

It is not that all the vegetarian food is healthy and all the non-vegetarian food is unhealthy. From what I have noticed, vegetarian people tend to concentrate more on their health, doing regular exercises and dieting. That may be the reason why they are healthy.

I do not think anything bad if I do not try to impose my own food. Plants are also living beings. I do not understand how you can ruthlessly cut down forests and pick flowers.

If you compare plants and animals there are big differences that you should check and take into consideration. First is that plants have the power to regenerate while animals do not. If we want to eat an apple we just pick its fruit and the tree will not die then you should also try eating the heart of a chicken and the whole animal dies.

Well the point of the vegans is not animal rights rather on eating vegetables over meat. Vegetables are much more healthier than meat so that is the reason they are promoting veggies.

Actually it is vegetarianism, which is causing the most damage to the tropical forests. Tropical forests in Brazil, Bolivia, Peru and the other Latin American nations are cut down to make space for Soyabean plantations. And Soya is the magic food for the vegans. In Indonesia and Malaysia, the virgin forest is cut down to make similar plantations for Oil Palm. Palm oil, is another vegetarian product which is used frequently by the vegans.

Anyone should really eat, or not eat, what they choose, as long as they don't turn into eco-fascists.


Yes I do. I like chicken but I don't like how most chicken ends up in my happy meal.


It's not a right, it's a privelege, and a choice I guess.

I went for maybe because I personally dont have a conviction about what I eat when there is something to eat. I guess the reason why some people will say they cannot be a vegan is because there is another option to consume which I am sure thats why. For countries that are facing famine or refugees I am sure they wont have any other option as all they care about is survival.

In as much as I dont have any issue with those turning into vegetarians, I still dont see myself joining them in that ideology simply because I just love my variety and ability to choose from several options. I actually can stay without eating meat but definitely not forever without it. For those who are staying without it, I want to say thank you for making the excess available for those of was ready to consume more...

You can say that the meat will get a lot cheaper, if half of the world's population decides to become vegetarians. That said, there is a probability of small and medium scale farmers going bankrupt as a result of these low prices.

I do not believe in this. Most likely meat will become so expensive that most people will not have the opportunity to buy meat, so this is their sure way to vegetarianism.

I don't have a problem with people doing whatever they want with their bodies but I have a problem  with people telling me what to do and that I’m wrong for doing what billions of humans have done since the dawn of time.

How can that be possible if there is an over-supply of meat in the market, and a decline in the demand? The farmers will either dump their stocks at near-zero prices, or destroy them (even destroying meat is an expensive process).

Recently, a video was broadcast on television with a speech by dietitians, so there was mentioned a new study by British scientists who said that people who eat only plant foods have a reduced brain. Now we need to draw conclusions.

I strongly believe that I will remain a non-vegan only and will never become a pure vegan in my entire life. I have see few vegan people struggling with their health and doctors have suggested them to start eating non-veg, at least egg. Because human body needs animal protein. It can't survive purely on veg food.

Most vegans still eat eggs to meet their protein. I salute the people who are actually vegetarian, I don't know what he eats for energy and nutrient requirements as a substitute for meat benefits. I would be very weak if only eat rice and vegetables, even fruits. I don't like intake of vitamin injection of fluids or substances, I reduce food was taking too much use of chemicals and preservatives.

That's cheagan  :D

I would never go vegan, After tasting meat and its deliciousness, I agree that going vegan is the best choice for a healthy living but even the strictest vegan am sure eats meat in secret once in a while.

Going vegan should be a freely made health decision, It should not be a burden, Most of them impose lots of stress on themselves by going vegan, and then they try to impose it on others as well which is very annoying.

Yes, that's the type of eco-fascism I was talking about in my previous post.

That should be avoided at all costs.

Like ex-smokers complaining about smoke.

Same thing I observed in people who quit drinking. They not only impose their ideas to others, but are treated with great aggression to those who drink alcohol even in small quantities. It seems to me that in order to avoid such problems, you need to gradually use.

It's often a small mind that thinks it has a big idea.

Somewhat offtopic: does anyone else read this threads title as "what are your thought on vaginas"?

Can't imagine I'm the only one

It's just you a read. I read about vegetarianism. Maybe it's spring so you act? If your thoughts about vaginas then get up from the computer and go outside or go in the evening in a night club.

Yes. I'm just annoyed by people who try to stand out from the crowd and impose their own way of life on others. Everyone must decide for himself what to eat or drink.

This is not something very recent. Historically, societies have imposed restrictions on certain types of food. Hinduism (which is perhaps the oldest religion in the earth) has a struct taboo against the consumption of beef. Hindu Brahmins refrain from consuming any sort of non-vegetarian food. Jews also have similar taboos, such as the ban on pork.

It's definietly good for you and I've heard many vegan meals taste great and you have all the energy.
I could stop eating cows and pigs, I wouldn't stop eating fish though.

Vegan meals can be quite tasteful, if you use the right ingredients and cook it in a proper way, just like many of the non-vegetarian meals. And there are a lot of vegan meals which are rich in protein, which allows you to skip meat altogether.

Religious people adhere to these rules in their country, but when they leave the country they can eat everything. This is not all, but there are still such cases. But where there have never been such bans and deliberately people start to refuse meat and impose it on others, it really annoys.

Can't agree with your post. Most of the Hindus living in my country (where they are a very small minority), refrain from eating beef. Also, the religious Jews abstain from non-Kosher food such as bacon, and the Muslims seldom eat foodstuff which is not certified as halal. This is applicable to all the nations, and not just Jewish and Muslim majority nations.

I’m not surprised at all since one of the reasons the human brain got so big was because we could consume cooked meat so it makes sense.

What do vegetarians / vegans think would happen to all those farm animals if we all ditched meat?

No profit for farmers = no food or care for all those farm animals.

Millions would just be killed or left to starve to death, several species would probably just go extinct within a few years.

I do not trust such studies. I think that man needs any food is the main thing that it was diverse. I certainly have nothing against meat, but I don't like the situation when for food of animal slaughter. I think it's not worthy of a human being.

And you think that people on this thread aren't imposing meat eating on vegans?  They're talking about meat eating repeatedly and arguing that they have a right to it, which means nothing (if the only argument you have is that you legally can do it, you've failed).  People also seem to think that vegans mention it too much, but generally it's meat eaters that mention it, and insult vegans for literally just not eating something.  Regardless, it should be a lot easier to accept someone not doing something potentially bad than doing it.

Someone murders someone else:
"hey! Stop that!"
"I respect your beliefs, why can't you respect mine?"
"Oshit you got me"

The only way to source edible meat is through animal slaughter. There is no other method to produce meat. Well, you can eat meat from the corpse of some animal which has died of disease, but I would strongly advice against doing so.

Not thoughts at all actually. Lots of the vegan people I know, don't eat meat, but they eat fishes and other sea fishes. I guess fishes have no life.  :-\ Animals there are in our world for some reason. I don't like that we  are killing them so we can eat, but this is who we are. Yes we don't have to kill that many, but their meat is important for our health. It's sounds sad but if you think about it's not.

Well i eat meat, and i like eating it, and that is the truth. Lion will always eat gazelle, and that is way things are made. We humans eat animals and that is only natural. If it wasn't for meat, we would not be like we are today (well that didn't turn out best for some xD). But i don't agree with animal abuse, if you need to kill it, than respect it a little bit. Respect what you eat, and be grateful. And as far as going vegan, well i could do it if i had too. But as i said i like eating meat so...

I agree with you and animals are already specified for livestock so we dob't rrally eat any animal we see. There are those that are bred for consumption and i also agree that meat is essential for our body's needs. Though i respect vegans and how they look at things. Everyone's entitled to their own decisions

I agree with you friend. You are right when you say that maybe we are killing more animals than we need too. But i just wanted to say to you that there is difference between Vegetarian and Vegan. Vegans only eat vegetables and fruit, they don't eat anything that is from animal, not even fish as far as i know. Vegetarians eat fish and eggs and stuff like that, but they don't eat animal meat. Maybe i am wrong, but i think im not.

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Someone who eats fish can't be called as a vegetarian. He is a non-vegetarian. I am surprised by your post. Some people would consider those who eat eggs as vegetarian, but this is the first time I am hearing that some also consider fish as a vegetarian item.

The prior post that described the difference between "vegan" and "vegetarian" is accurate, as far as the use of these terms in the USA for several decades.

The other alternative of course is to enjoy eating meat. You might want to join an organization such as People Who Enjoy Eating Tasty Animals.

http://www.ooze.com/pweeta/

I am trying to become vegan now and it is my personal choice.  Before, I eat fish, meats and processed food a lot  and I thought I can't live a day without eating them and because of that, in my early age, I got cyst on my left breast. I do not blame meat and fish alone but my bad eating habits. I am reaping what I put inside my body and I regret it. Now, I realize that at the very beginning, when Adam and Eve is still in the Garden of Eden, they only eat vegetables and fruits by then, Man only start eating meat and fishes after the flood because during that time, earth was wipe by the flood.  Besides, fruits and vegetables has the enough nutrients our body needs to become healthy.  As what the quotation says, "prevention is better than cure". The advocacy of vegan people to protect animals is good. I guess, if you are a meat and fish eater, you will not consider that eating them is not an animal abuse but if you will widen you perspective, considering that those animals has their own family and they have right to live as well, you will realize that it is a form of animal cruelty as well.  Trying to become vegan will not just protect the welfare of animals but also can protect yourself from the bad cholesterol you can get in eating them.

I don't feel that I need to change my dietary habits. I am pretty comfortable with my omnivore diet, and I have no plans to go 100% vegan. If I become vegan, I may add one or two years to my lifespan. But it is just not worth it. I prefer to eat whatever I like, even if that means that I would live only up to 80 years instead of 82.

Yes, so that both of us should eat, so that we can be more beneficial to our health.

I don't think it hurts to go for a diet that excludes meat, fish, diary completely, although some people might experience some upsets if they try to do it quickly.

I think we have to ask questions like, if cow's milk is for raising calves, then why should we drink it?  Source of calcium maybe; as far as I am aware, there are no real benefits to it.  You can get calcium elsewhere that is absorbed just as well, including from a diet that excludes fish and dairy.  It makes shopping harder and is a source of much groaning and fidgeting and staring at labels and taking forever at the supermarket, but if you don't mind, what the heck.

I watched a "documentary" called What The Health on Netflix just a few days ago with my wife, and it scared the socks off me.

Everyone must decide for himself what he has. I eat meat, I need it to maintain the body in a healthy state, but I do not impose my way of life on anyone. Every organism has different needs and it is necessary to choose the food ration at which you will feel good.

I really wonder how do you determine what your body needs for health? Why meat? I also eat meat, but I don't think it's helpful. I just like the taste. It seems to me that meat is harmful to our body. Especially if for animals using growth hormones.

Diet may be sometimes necessary to unload the body, but it is not entirely reasonable to completely abandon meat and fish. Milk can be consumed in extreme cases, but as a rule it is enough for a calf and a little people take it.

I would agree it's too hard and probably not wise to completely abandon meat and fish, now that I think about it.  Small amounts of non processed cooked meats are good, fish is good if the water they lived in wasn't contaminated I suppose.

Aside from that, I think most people would do very well to cut out all the garbage like fast foods, processed meats, too much dairy, and up their intake of fresh fruits and vegetables and have bigger meals, avoiding snacks and soft drinks and so on.  We've been doing that for a while, cutting out fast food, chocolate, avoiding too many eggs on toast breakfasts,  satly or sugery snacky things, much more fruit and veg etc.

Yeah... this is the best thing to do. Eat whatever you want, and allow others to eat whatever they like. But restrictions exist everywhere. Pork is not available in Israel and the Muslim nations. Beef is not available in Hindu nations such as Nepal and India.

If it is very hard to go vegetarian for a few days, how much more to go vegan? That must be some kind of a death march or hunger strike.  ;D But I salute those people who are really into it wholeheartedly. Discipline is the key I guess because I'm sure they also like meat.  ;D

I do eat meat, but the amount of meat that I eat is decreasing as time goes by.

I don't like factory farmed animals that are treated like garbage, given terrible living conditions and pumped with antidepressants and antibiotics.  That has come to bother me more and more vs. farms that treat their animals good, or even hunting for your own venison in the wild.

What's tough about giving up meat (and fish) completely is having food to eat when you go to restaurants or travel.  Your options become limited, and it requires a lot of planning as well as being able to cook really well.  That is key for being vegetarian in terms of being able to make food that is appetizing consistently.

I'm not sure if I'll ever be vegetarian, probably not completely but I can see myself continuing to decrease how much meat I eat.  And I used to be a fucking carnivore.

Not everyone likes meat. In my place, a lot of the upper caste Hindus are vegetarians. They have remained like that for the last 5,000 years or so. They can't even tolerate the smell of meat dishes. For them, it has almost become genetic or hereditary.

I just listen to my intuition what I need now. If I want pork, then you need to eat pork, because if I eat vegetables or fish or even beef, I can not get any psychological pleasure or cover my physiological needs. The use of growth hormones for animals can be harmful, but I think that in moderate amounts can be consumed. The main thing is not to load the food you eat with your negative thoughts.

The way I see it, it's impossible for a farm to be ethical because it's unnatural.  People can talk about "the food chain" all they want, but the reality is that they way animals are being killed is entirely unnatural, whether it's with a gun, a factory farm, or just a regular free range farm.  Humans would naturally be lower than, say, lions in the food chain, but if humans want to they can just shoot the lion with a gun.

The idea of animal products which are not meat is even more confusing, because cows only produce milk after having a child, much like what humans do.  Not only is it stealing the cow's milk which is supposed to be for cows, but cows produce far less milk after it would no longer be needed for their calf.  This means that far more cows are produced than the amount that are needed to stay on the farm, so inevitably the calves are taken from their mothers at birth and cows have to be killed to sustain the production of milk.

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Clarification:  vegetarianism is to not eat meat or fish.  If you eat fish, you're called a pescatarian.  If you don't eat meat, fish or any animal product, and you refrain from the use of animal products in your life e.g. leather, then you are a vegan.  A lot of people are getting confused about this.

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I also wish that people would stop saying "I eat what I want to" or statements of that sort.  They don't contribute anything to a discussion, because no government is telling you whether you can eat meat or not.

Sorry, but I'm not ready to become a vegetarian. I love animals and I like the idea, but to abandon animal products I can't yet. If they were not in the sale it would be easier not to eat, but it seems to me that this problem is much deeper.

If you lived in a forest or in a small village where there are no shops, would you be able to eat only plants and vegetables? I think that even without selling animal products a person will have to hunt or fish to eat normally.

In my family everyone ate meat because I too
But against them I have nothing bad I do not have

This is their choice, let them eat whatever they want. The main thing is that they do not stick out their vegetarianism and do not read the notations of meat eaters. And it often happens that a person refuses meat and begins to demonstratively fool into cutlets and scold other people calling "corpses".

Anecdote:
"My wife is a Veteranian."
"Mine does not know how to cook, either."

Actually, to each his own.
Some blood groups can not live without meat at all. So it's not for us to condemn them: that they chose this and live.

I think whatever we eat is not a problem, we are born to be omnivorous which means we can eat either meat or vegetables. We just need to respect if someone can't eat vegetables or meat. But i mostly eat vegetable to keep my energy up :). Meat has always have cholesterol which slow our body movements.

Our body does fine with a mix of veggies and meats. If you are Vegan because you love your dog, I am sorry you are vegan. I am not a vegan, no problem with vegan diets. Love some beans and broccoli, but can't live without eggs and bacons. So much hate and anger in some of the posts, care to walk it off ?;D

I support the idea of vegetarianism and be sure that the meat is harmful to human health, but I can't completely give up meat. I love animals, but I don't think of meat as the body parts of dead animals. For me it's just food on store shelves.

It's common sense that meat is extremely inefficient.

At the bottom of the food chain, animals need to eat plants and all of their energy comes from plants.

Because animals use energy during their lifetime which is from plants, it means that eating the animal is only eating a small part of the energy that it has consumed in its lifetime.  So eating animals is always extremely inefficient, and it makes far more sense when you can farm on a major level to move down as low on the food chain as you can.

To claim that veganism can't give you protein is entirely unreasonable, because all of those animals' nutrients that you're eating originally came from plants anyway.

And besides those animals are really for human consumptions.  We actually need meat for us to be healthy and strong.  As long as you will not eat animals that are not for human consumption I think that would be okay.  But actually I am thinking to become one, a vegan, because of the side effect of eating too much meat.

One should not change eating habits so fast. It creates mayhem in the body. Better to do it following a slow path.

The problem with producing meat in bulk and cost effectively involves factory farming, where the animals are treated poorly, depressed, sick, pumped with growth hormones, antibiotics and antidepressants...which isn't the best for human consumption.  The best meat for consumption is from animals that live in the wild, that are hunted.  But it's not a solution that can scale to satisfy the meat demands for humans around the world.

My problem with going vegan is that it is a lot more expensive to buy organically grown non-GMO foods, and boy I tell ya at least where Iam from it is.

Bananas organic with GMO are double the price, i don't even think we have non-GMO bananas around here. Lots of other stuff is like triple the price of regular vegetables and stuff like that.

I don't have anything against it, and I do know the meat industry isn't much better because of their GMO and hormones and feeding the animials leftover parts of themselves mixed together with the grass/hay they eat that was grown with GMO and fertilizer.

Almost everything is a bad option in its totality, but I think the healthiest is vegan for sure.

I believe we are allowed to eat meat, but I would rather choose to eat more vegetables. And if one day meat are not allowed to eat, its ok. Because I love eating vegetables. Doesn't matter if I do not eat meats. Besides, being a vegetarian is healthy in the long run.

Being vegan or eating a meat is a matter of choice. And also they kill animals quick and there's no abuse and don't forget that for centuries, humans eat animals just to survive. You can eat any of the two but you can also do both.

I think going vegan is good in most ways, but there is nothing wrong with eating meat once a month or a few times a year.

I eat vegetables but it needs to be paired with meat. I don't see why vegans take it a big deal. If they don't want to eat meat then just don't eat meat. No need to discourage everyone about how bad meat is. Maybe they are suffering because they are unble to eat any food they want and they are making a lot of effort just to make vegetables taste better. They're like kids who not allowed to eat candies.

Humans are predators. You cannot mess up the millions of years of our genetic composition. If your reason to go Vegan is because of your health, then it's fine. but to say that you want to go vegan just because you feel bad for the animals is not quite convincing. I mean, science has already proven that plants can feel pain, as well, and have certain emotions similar to animals. Only difference is they have limited ability to show it.

You can't survive for long being a pure carnivore. Humans are basically omnivores, and that means that you need to take at least some amount of cereals, fruits, vegetables and dairy products. It doesn't matter whether you love vegetables or not. If you don't want to take them, then you need to get the nutrients from some other source.

Right. There will be health repercussions if you only have meat on your diet. Even from prehistoric times, people then, with their level of intelligence, understand that vegetables and fruits are essential in their diets.

For Vegan are the real MVP of Pro-life. They do really value  the life of  the living things. I can't imagine going vegan, I just even tried to eat fruits daily and the day will not end without me eating any meat. I don't feel full by not eating meat in a day. I do  really respect the  way  they and the way how they value the life. I wish I can be like them but as of now it would really be hard. maybe on my next life I will try to go Vegan. Salute to them!

One of my friends at office is a vegan. She has already started not eating animals since 2012. Truthfully she started because her religion but I think she has strong willing to keep being a vegan when all of my office mates are not. We often eating outside during lunch break and she always keep her promise to be a vegan.
So I think in the end being a vegan is a choice, and I can see till now that she is healthy although doesn't eat animals. But for me, I still want to eat all kind of meats, maybe I will be a vegan someday but not now.

It can help with overall health and well-being, not to mention the skin improvement that comes along with it. Though tough the first few weeks, there have been products marketed to be as similar as their meat counterparts which are said to be vegan.

I don't care whatever other people eat. It's their choice, it's their body, and it's their health. As long as it doesn't concern me, I don't care. Being a vegan is good too. Some people are really health conscious. Taking care of our body is good too. We shouldn't just care about getting rich, because all of it will be useless if we get sick.

Morally speaking is very wrong to kill an animal for foods. Be vegetarian is the best human can be but is very hard to comply with it. However I think moderation is the best.

I understand vegans. But I hate vegans who have to pin it out at any time possible!

for myself I turned my back on meat some weeks ago. We have the technology to do it better.. but it is labeled as "disgusting" - Talking about meat made in laboratories

I think everyone can choose his eating habit like he wants as long as he doesn't bother other people with that.

That is not always the case. In my city, there are certain housing societies where you will get admission only if you certify that you are a vegetarian. If they find out that you are a non-vegetarian, then they will kick you out immediately. And in some cities, the authorities have banned non-vegetarian food in the restaurants. In my city, non-veg food is not banned as such, but its "display" is banned.

Why not? I mean i would really love to go vegan. It's just that eating vegan means i have to actually cooks for myself and i really have to buy expensive vegetables. Do that means i would have to take time out of my already busy schedule and buy vegetables with money i don't have. Now if i were to be a  vegetarian who could actually eat eggs and dairy then I'm all for it. It's much easier yo follow and who haven't eaten instant ramen with eggs on them

Obviously, you are quite right . If people want to maintain a healthy life style they should eat both vegetables and meat in a balanced diet. Scientific experiments show that being a vegan is not a good thing for a human being.

I think that we can't get all the vitamins durable and it doesn't matter what exactly we eat, we need extra food...I personally don't see the need to kill animals and eat them...unless if I go to Siberia...or Antarctica, where there will be no edible plants

The vegan diet is not easy to adhere to. It takes great discipline to make sure you are getting proper balance of nutrition, vitamins etc. Vitamin b12 (and others) is essential to nervous system functioning.

Vegan is not for me, can't live without eating a meat in a single day and i find it very hard to do. I believe in God but all of this are given to us and we are in a survival age, I'll eat what i want to eat and that's all to it.

I do not understand how you can not eat such delicious and appetizing meat) But still, why not? I have a couple of friends of vegetarians and they feel great, they like all these salads))

I've heard that people with blood type A can't consume meat well. Which is strange cause type A is the most widespread in the world.

There are many vegan dishes not just vegetables. There are vegan pizzas and burgers.

I've been a vegetarian for a long time, mainly for health reasons. Tried going vegan for four months but ended up losing 20kg, which was not sustainable with sport etc. So went back to vegetarian. To be fair, though, I never felt better bodily - no slump after eating meals, and more energy. I think it is possible to get the benefits without losing so much weight -- at the time I didn't know about nuts and legumes being full of protein and calories.

Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan. Having emotional attachments with animals may form part of that reason, while many believe that all sentient creatures have a right to life and freedom.

I think going vegan may have several potential health benefits, we just consume way too much meat for our own good ; ) My girlfriend is vegan
so I kinda have been drawn into that lifestyle, and I must tell you, it's quite an interesting experience as there exists a large variety of vegan
foods nowadays.

Meat is a must-have. Substitutes, provided by plans and synthetics, are insufficient. A good steak is something worth staying in meat-eaters camp. :)

I am not vegan not vegetarian, but I do respect people who are. I have gone vegetarian during some periods of my life and enjoyed the experience.

Save a plant eat a vegetarian  :D as others have said we are omnivores physiologically.   

Most omnivores believe that it is impossible to become a vegan and they can not even imagine how they will survive without eating what they are used to. Although they are just not creative enough! With a positive attitude, a desire to eat healthy food and a little zeal in buying products, you can discover a new world with a lot of physical, emotional and emotional advantages.

You are indirectly stating that vegetarian food is more healthier than non-vegetarian food. It is not entirely true. In many cases, the reverse is true. I would prefer a diet rich in fish and chicken to one which is loaded with cheese and butter. 

It is a healthy lifestyle and anyone is free to practice it if they want to. About the animal abuse, authorities inspect this meat suppliers and they will penalized them if they found that they are doing it.

I spent about 18 months without meat of all kinds. No ethical reasons, just my body felt like opting out of meat. And I can say that all the myths about meat as indispensable part of daily meals are far-fetched.

 Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly  ;D

It's really costly. Vegetables and fruits here in us is very expensive because they decompose very early compared to meats. That lifestyle is only for the wealthy people.

I am surprised. Here in India, almost one-third to two-fifths of the population is vegetarian, and the vegetarian food is a lot more affordable when compared to the non-vegetarian food. But then in India, they don't normally consume exotic dishes such as avocado and asparagus.

Well yeah i don't see how eating exclusively fruits and veggies can be more expensive than meat. I mean, you could grow those in your backyard and have unlimited supply of greens for all you want. Probably you're pertaining to those vegan dishes that has flavors similar to meat lol. Why be vegan though if you're looking for the taste of meat

 I Love Animals. I have always had a very strong emotional bond with animals big and small ever since I was a child. I would adore the birds and raccoons and other California wildlife that would pop up in our backyard. I loved my pet kittens and bunny and bird and fish. I loved everything about sweet, gentle animals.

Humans have the power to fight for animals or take advantage of their innocence and vulnerability. They are like children in that way. Even the strongest lion in Africa or shark in the ocean could be easily destroyed by a human. It is not a fair fight. Animals do not have voices and they do not have the same level of highly evolved intelligence that we have.

I find that many vegans, like myself, have done their research either by chance and accident or on purpose. Many have watched those horror-filled undercover investigation videos that are promoted via organizations like PETA, Farm Sanctuary, COK and many more. If your eyes have seen what goes on behind the scenes of a slaughterhouse, a place where animal product production takes place you will most likely not want any part in those practices. You would likely not want to participate in the pain and horror that can be found.

I don't care so much about the rights of animals of not being eaten by humans, since there are not such rights in nature. However, eating meat is truly very unhealthy and non ecological, so that it would not be such a bad idea to avoid it or at least reduce it very much.

Save a tree eat a vegetarian! (most animals we eat are vegetarian)

I am not against people going vegan, we have our own choice to choose either go vegan or not. But in my case, I think I am not going to go vegan, maybe I am just so used to eating both meat and veggies, although I think veggies are healthier than meat. So I will just stick to my diet.

Some days I am a vegan, some days I eat a lot of meat...to me all that matters is if the food tastes good, then I will eat it. If it's terrible, I will not. But I know people who have started a vegetarian lifestyle and experienced an improvement in their health. So...

It is the first time that I read this statement and it is really funny since I am from a third world country and yeah, I've never met nor communicate with a vegan before, I can just watch them online on Facebook or YouTube. If they want to be Vegan, that is cool with me but I don't think that they need to call us, who eats meat, murderers or any sort like that since we don't have a choice but to eat what we have in our dining table.

I have been a vegetarian for over a year now and feel better for it. I contemplated veganism and
found it a step too far. l am vegetarian for the health aspect and although l love animals understand their consumption. Not wearing animal products and avoiding animals in your diet is too radical for me. I see no problem in using honey or drinking milk, but that’s just me. I do admire vegans ethics and care for life but believe the vegetarian lifestyle to be a balance that sits well in the modern world.
Look forward to others opinions.🙂

Well I was vegan for about 6 months to a year but stopped after doing a bit more research I don't think it is a healthy diet at all long term, sure it is great for a cleanse (short term) and juice fasting can be great as well but again all short term and cleansing but I think our body will eventually become nutrient deficient if we don't eat enough meat or eat a variety of foods I really believe humans are omnivores :) just my two cents..

I think a lot of 'vegans' just jump on the bandwagon so that they can feel special and part of an exclusive group. I find that those who are aggressive advocates of this lifestyle become snobbish and very judgemental to those who eat meat. They develop this, "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude. It's great that they choose to live that lifestyle but they should also respect those that prefer not to.

There are many who do not know about the benefits of vegetarianism. Proper vegetarianism, combined with legumes, is not only full of nutrients for the body, but also for the development of the brain. Firstly you will have a healthy heart, away from diabetes, atherosclerosis by harmful fats from animals. Vegetarian foods are rich in fiber, vitamins, minerals, these are extremely benign, purifying your body, eliminating the stagnant toxins in your body so you can stay healthy and last longer. longer life

We have the right to eat meat but according to studies our body is designed to only eat plants (vegetables). In terms of protein, it's more healthier compared in animals'. There are also body builders who are vegan that made their body more structured and symmetric.

In terms of health, going vegan will surely help you in being fit and healthy. But it can get very exhausting that might cause to loss of appetite. Instead of starving, I suggest eating a balanced diet instead.

yes, as with most/all veggie/vegan propaganda.. it is nonsense and only an attempted way to frame mixed (correct/incorrect) data to present a view that cannot be challenged by those who do not know any better...

similar to the "protein in 100 calories of brocoli vs steak" memes, whereby it is completely ignored that you would have to eat a metric shit ton of brocoli to get the same protein, and those proteins would be incomplete profiles, vitamins would be much less bioavaliable
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The ethical argument I somewhat agree with... we should definitely treat animals as best we can. But the vegan/veggie propaganda also fails to mention that as much wild-life/animals suffer or are killed through their diet if they are eating mono-cropped/factory farmed vegetables... loss of habitat, harvesting, destruction of soil/ecosystem.

The only solution for now, is to properly raise and treat animals well. Give them a happy, healthy and full life; stop monocropping/factory farming;- smaller farms that properly rotate their crops and animals (for soil/ecosystem quality), are the most sustainable and environmentally friendly way of doing things.


This is utter nonsense, saturated fats from animals are NOT unhealthy;  they are some of the most stable and healthy fats we can consume. The extremely unhealthy fats are vegetable/seed oils such as sunflower/soya... these are extremely unstable under heat/light/oxygen; they are rancid before they even leave the factories they are processed in (which is why they deodorize them). They are very high in omega-6 fats which tend to be precursory to pro-inflammatory processes.

Our typical omega3:6 ratio during evolution was close to 1:1, 1:2 (o3:o6).... in the modern diet, it is closer to 1:20.. this is responsible for a huge proportion of the modern illnesses... along with reliance and massive amounts of grains/sugar every day.

Much of the vitamins/minerals in the plant world are far less bioavaliable to us and come with other concerns such as defense mechanisms... so whilst many plants/vegetables/fruit are healthy... if you eat too many of the wrong kinds (grains, soya and other legumes, especially if not properly processed/fermented), they can be very unhealthy.

not true, vegan/vegitarianism is very unhealthy long term unless you are extremely careful on how you do it.


incorrect, the studies /biochemistry does not say anything of the sort




>> good resources to find non-bias, in depth looks at the studies commonly referred to by the vegan/veggie armies of misinformation
https://deniseminger.com/
https://deniseminger.com/for-vegans/
https://robbwolf.com/

I believe in moderation for everything. You cant get all nutritional benefits by staying on plant foods alone, you need an ample amount of animal food too. God created animals to be eaten by man and I dont think anyone will violate their right by eaten them in the appropriate way

Though it is proven that the overly consumption of red meat is bad for the human body, It doesn't mean that one should go full vegan because of that, Red meat itself is not bad at all but when it is consumed in excess that's when the problem begins.

I'm completely fine with vegans, as long as they don't try to push their thinking on me. I feel about the same about vegans as I do about religious people. They can believe whatever the want, as long as they don't try pressuring everybody. I must say, it is sometimes difficult to cook for vegans, when we have them over. It even makes me want to invite them over a little bit less just based on that fact. The only reason I can see for veganism is the ethic questions of how animals are treated. If you have a cow and some chickens and treat them nicely, I don't see any harm whatsoever in using their eggs and milk. In terms of the vegetarianism part, I'm with those here who say we've omnivores. I like eating meat, but I think it should be done in moderation.

Humans can survive on a wide variety of diets including a vegan diet. I personally think it is healthy to base my diet around vegetables, starches and only a tiny bit of meat.

Those vegetarians are always in good health, I see so many people.

I like that you talk about what personally works for you. A lot of people talk in absolutes. They say it should be this way and no other way. The fact of the matter is that everybody is different. Every person's body works differently. Some people may truly function better with no meat. Some people may have a lot of health problems if they don't eat meat. Thanks for the good reminder. Everybody should do what works best for them.

You want to be vegan, it's fine but the problem is when vegans are talking about on every occasion. Like seriously, who cares?

Isn't it normal that we consume meat? I am on a diet but I only reduce the consumption of carbohydrates and sugar. I thought I would not be vegan.

Every person's body is different, I think that's key to remember. Some people's body works best in ketosis, some works best only eating meat (Jordan Peterson), and some work best vegan. I'm a long distance runner and highly active, and I know my body works best off just fruits and vegetables, and a bit of carbs. Meat usually makes me feel gross and heavy. I wouldn't ever push anyone to be vegan or keto or whatever, just because it works best for me.

It's obnoxious to push anyone towards any opinion, to quote a tweet: "I can do everything I can to teach others a lesson about their errors. But at the end of all my struggles, it turns out that other people are remarkably like me: they want to make up their own mind about things, and the last thing they want is for someone else to do it for them."

I have a friend who actually went full vegan and was OK for a while. She was telling everyone that its a greate experience and she never felt better in her entire life. Later the problems with health started and she began to eat meat, eggs and everything again. The problem is that your body does have some extra nutrients for quite a while, keeping just in case. Because of that vegans think that they`re fine and feel themselves way better then usually. But thats a misunderstanding since besides quitting animal food they stop smoking/drinking/eating a lot of junk food and start to exersice.

But I still think its possible to be a healthy vegetarian if you have some knowleadge. Not vegan tho.

Vegans suck. They think they're better from the rest of society because they are saving animals, but really it's just another fashionable bullshit. A fad some bored rich folks made up.

Used to think that of something good but then I did some research on this theme. Unfortunately, vegan will do more harm then good.

I like meat, but I do not have any problems with vegans or people going vegan. I think it is healthy. I hear vegans and vegetarians could live on average of 6-10 years longer than meat eaters but I think it still depends on the person's lifestyle. I do feel bad about killing farm animals but it is not enough for me to completely abandon my love for eating meat.

I work hard to make money to make myself a better life, including eating the best food in the world! Meat I think is indispensable!

It may be more healthy going vegan but I love meat to much. :D

I think whatever we eat is not a problem, we are born to be omnivorous which means we can eat either meat or vegetables. We just need to respect if someone can't eat vegetables or meat. But i mostly eat vegetable to keep my energy up Smiley. Meat has always have cholesterol which slow our body movements.

I think it's pointless to focus on food and diet. If the animal is already dead then surely it's better to use the meat than to throw it away.

The real problem is with how farm animals are treated. Their lives are in almost all cases beyond miserable, an unimagineble nightmare.

But I see nothing wrong with hunting and fishing when the human is acting like any other predator in nature.

So personally I don't refuse to eat animal foods, but I refuse to buy any unless I know for certain the animal was treated well.

In short, I do my best to vote with my wallet for a more ethical future.

I love eating veggies & fruits.. But sorry to tell that eat meat.
I only eat meat that we bought at the market only.

For those who are going to be a vegan, I don't think how long will you not going to eat meats.. most especially if you have some fav'rite menu on meat dishes within your table. 😁

I think this is a very healthy attitude. Everybody has a different reason to be a vegan or a vegetarian. Some people do it because they don't like how animals are treated in farms. My brother told me that he's a vegan for a similar reason. I asked him, if you were staying on a farm and you saw that the animals are being treated well, would it make a difference? Would you at least eat eggs or drink milk? He had a hard time answering that question, but I think he saw the logic. As far as I know, eating eggs or drinking milk don't necessarily hurt the animals.

I would say in long term eating meat does cause problems in various ways but if you think of vegeterian or vegan there is no way you could get affected unless its geneticlly produced.

My vegetarian diet also has the good of it. But not so that abusive, if you do not want your body weak, or lack of vitality.