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Title: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 11, 2015, 01:32:52 PM



A Chinese official on Friday called on the United Nations to impose an international code of conduct on the Internet.


"It is highly necessary and pressing for the international community to jointly bring about an international code of conduct on cyberspace at an early date," said Wang Qun, director-general of the Arms Control Department of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, in comments to the U.N. General Assembly.

Wang's comments were reported by China's main state-owned press outlet, the Xinhua News Agency.

"China, for its part, will continue to commit itself to establishing a peaceful, secure, open and cooperative cyberspace and pushing for an early international code of conduct acceptable to all," Wang added.

The U.N. will be considering norms related to cyberspace security this month. A committee comprised of 20 nations published a proposal over the summer for the General Assembly to consider.

The U.N. advisory board has called for "effective cooperation among States to reduce risks to international peace and security" and says that state actors "should not conduct or knowingly support" cyber crime.

In the wake of high profile hacks into the U.S. State Department, Department of Defense, and the Office of Personnel Management by China and Russia over the last year, officials have expressed a desire to establish norms on the matter.

However, at the same time, President Obama has been moving forward with a plan to transfer control of Internet domain name functions to a multi-stakeholder body. Along with Russia, China has been the most vocal in urging a quick conclusion to that process, and for a management structure that ensures governments retain power over private stakeholders. As a result, observers will be watching to see what China's conception of a "code of conduct" entails.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/china-asks-world-to-impose-code-of-conduct-on-internet/article/2573844




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 01:37:40 PM
I still have on (nsfw) VKcams.com visitors with chinese IP, unless it is banned there :)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: iv4n on October 11, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
The Chinese have a long history of isolating themselves from the world. Article seems to indicate a dual Chinese strategy: control of information ( they would like to control everything) and implementing their own laws on global internet networking. China is a communist country and they behavior is be in charge of everything. I dont think they will succeed in this.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 11, 2015, 02:10:19 PM
The Chinese have a long history of isolating themselves from the world. Article seems to indicate a dual Chinese strategy: control of information ( they would like to control everything) and implementing their own laws on global internet networking. China is a communist country and they behavior is be in charge of everything. I dont think they will succeed in this.


With the help of 0, their job has been eased.




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 02:15:48 PM
China is a communist country

China (mainland) is a country of wonderful people.
The communist one - is crasy shit DPRK.

Baidu.com is N4 on alexa.com
Qq.com is   on N8
Taobao.com   N11
Sina.com.cn  N13
Weibo.com    N16
Sohu.com     N43


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 11, 2015, 02:20:34 PM
China is a communist country

China (mainland) is a country of wonderful people.
The communist one - is crasy shit DPRK.

Baidu.com is N4 on alexa.com
Qq.com is on N8


Is the will of an internet take over by china a good thing or a bad thing?




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Is the will of an internet take over by china a good thing or a bad thing?

If You will see, in the past - US have send money and arms to Bin Laden, other type of shit people around the World (Lybia, Iraq), now in US are angry about Russia bomb the wrong terrorists again.

Chinese government will have control in communication of this destructive activity of US on own territory, and will have international law to persecute such terroristic activity of US Government.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 11, 2015, 02:30:26 PM
Is the will of an internet take over by china a good thing or a bad thing?

If You will see, in the past - US have send money and arms to Bin Laden, other type of shit people around the World (Lybia, Iraq), now in US are angry about Russia bomb the wrong terrorists again.

Chinese government will have control about communication of this destructive activity of US on own territory, and will have international law to persecute such terroristic activity of US Government.


To you china represents freedom of speech on the internet. Yes?




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 02:32:21 PM

To you china represents freedom of speech on the internet. Yes?

Oh, go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and try Your Rights of speech there.
Teach Afghan Government about the age of Marriage, for example, or same sex marriage.
Iraq is full of such freedom too, try there now :)
Explain what is pedofilia to Shariat Court, You will have 100% of loolz.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 03:02:17 PM
what nonsense on the news itself, china runs GFW many years, if you dont know what GFW is then google it


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
why google , youtube, facebook, twitter etc can not do their business on mainland china?

the answer is obvious >:(


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: gogxmagog on October 11, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
They ain't going to get very far with their restricted internet idea. It's one thing to deny freedom in the first place it's quite another to remove freedom people already enjoy. The rest of the world is used to China being a blackout zone it will just be business as usual (unless China teams up with Russia :( )


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 03:46:26 PM
why google , can not do their business  on mainland china?

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/google.cn
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/yahoo.cn

facebook is N162 in China (mainland) http://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries;6/CN
Youtube.com is N182


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 03:52:43 PM
why google , can not do their business  on mainland china?

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/google.cn


google went out from mainland china in 2011 and ran business in Hongkong...

if you have no VPN then you can not use gmail in mainland china

much more info you can easily get online


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 03:54:27 PM
They ain't going to get very far with their restricted internet idea. It's one thing to deny freedom in the first place it's quite another to remove freedom people already enjoy. The rest of the world is used to China being a blackout zone it will just be business as usual (unless China teams up with Russia :( )


china and russia only make use of each other , they are not pairs  ;D


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 04:07:33 PM
google went out from mainland china in 2011 and ran business in Hongkong...

Business of Google - is to spy on your Email and sell search results.
Visitors by Country - China - Percent of Visitors  93.8% - Rank in Country - 30
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/google.cn

If You will teach to me, that google.cn have no visitors from China (Mainland) and alexa.com data is a fake - put here please Your data.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 04:44:26 PM
if you have no VPN then you can not use gmail in mainland china

much more info you can easily get online

Try to use google.com trough mozilla with NoScrypt without logging on gmail.com, and then tell me how long they stay waiting for totally blocking search results in change of spy on you 24x7


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 06:24:02 PM
google went out from mainland china in 2011 and ran business in Hongkong...

Business of Google - is to spy on your Email and sell search results.
Visitors by Country - China - Percent of Visitors  93.8% - Rank in Country - 30
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/google.cn

If You will teach to me, that google.cn have no visitors from China (Mainland) and alexa.com data is a fake - put here please Your data.


http://time.com/2820452/china-censor-web/

Here Are 6 Huge Websites China is Censoring Right Now

The Chinese government is tightening its grip on the Internet ahead of the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre

It’s widely known that the Chinese government has long exerted tight control over Internet access on the mainland, deploying an extensive apparatus to regulate what its citizens can read and publish on the web. The Chinese authorities employed more than 2 million people in 2013 to monitor web activity on blogs and social media sites like the wildly popular social media site Weibo, and blocks access to topics it deems sensitive, like the Free Tibet movement, for instance, and democratic activism.

But ahead of the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre, Chinese authorities are cracking down even further on news outlets and search engines, blocking access to websites including Google and the Wall Street Journal. Wednesday marks 25 years since the Chinese army killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of students and protestors in Beijing, and the tightening of media control that followed. It’s part of the Chinese government’s concerted effort to limit information about the incipient pro-democratic movement that ended in bloodshed.

Here are 6 websites the Chinese government is currently blocking or restricting.

Google

The activist blog GreatFire.org, which tracks web censorship in China, published a post Monday saying that Chinese authorities had blocked a variety of Google services in China. As of Monday, Google’s Chrome start page would not load, nor would many other Google sites like the Picasa photo program, Maps service and Calendar application, according to the New York Times. The GreatFire said that the block is far-reaching, and that Google simply isn’t working.

The block is indiscriminate as all Google services in all countries, encrypted or not, are now blocked in China. This blockage includes Google search, images, translate, Gmail and almost all other products. In addition, the block covers Google Hong Kong (China’s version of Google), Google.com and all other country specific versions, e.g Google France…. It is the strictest censorship ever deployed.
Google published a transparency report that showed traffic in China slowed dramatically beginning Sunday, with users of Google’s products in China reduced to little more than half of the country’s usual overall share of worldwide users. Google told the Wall Street Journal that there were no technical problems with its website.

“We’ve checked extensively and there are no technical problems on our side,” a Google spokeswoman said.

Wikipedia

The Chinese government has long blocked Wikipedia pages it deems fishy, including “Dalai Lama,” and “Tibetan Independence Movement” as well as “List of Chinese Dissidents,” and “Chinese democracy movement.” Now is as good a time as any for the Chinese authorities to make sure no one searches “Tiananmen Mothers,” the democracy activist groups founded by the mother of a protestor killed 25 years ago.

The Wall Street Journal

The Journal, which has recently been ramping up its China coverage, is the latest news source to fall victim to the Chinese censors’ axe. Dow Jones, which publishes the Journal, said that the English language site had been blocked since Monday, and the Chinese language site had been blocked since Saturday.

RedTube.com

The government’s “stability maintenance” program has sucked pornographic websites into the mix as well, and RedTube.com is one of the websites that is inaccessible. According to GreatFire, the website is blocked 97% of the time its been tested in China. Pornography in every form has never been welcome in China, however, and the government has blocked magazines and video content for over sixty years.

LinkedIn

The professional networking site just experienced the imposition of local censorship requirements in China, according to the Journal, after setting up a localized version of LinkedIn in China earlier this year.

Facebook

Facebook has been blocked in China for years as it’s viewed suspiciously as a place to freely disseminate ideas. China earlier this year that it was blocking the wildly popular social media website for its “ability to spread rumors” and instead placates its social media-hungry masses with Weibo, a homegrown service it can more easily censor.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 06:27:44 PM
if you have no VPN then you can not use gmail in mainland china

much more info you can easily get online

Try to use google.com trough mozilla with NoScrypt without logging on gmail.com, and then tell me how long they stay waiting for totally blocking search results in change of spy on you 24x7


spy on you 24x7 that is china and russia do,


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: iv4n on October 11, 2015, 06:35:54 PM
google went out from mainland china in 2011 and ran business in Hongkong...

Business of Google - is to spy on your Email and sell search results.
Visitors by Country - China - Percent of Visitors  93.8% - Rank in Country - 30
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/google.cn

If You will teach to me, that google.cn have no visitors from China (Mainland) and alexa.com data is a fake - put here please Your data.


http://time.com/2820452/china-censor-web/

Here Are 6 Huge Websites China is Censoring Right Now

The Chinese government is tightening its grip on the Internet ahead of the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre

It’s widely known that the Chinese government has long exerted tight control over Internet access on the mainland, deploying an extensive apparatus to regulate what its citizens can read and publish on the web. The Chinese authorities employed more than 2 million people in 2013 to monitor web activity on blogs and social media sites like the wildly popular social media site Weibo, and blocks access to topics it deems sensitive, like the Free Tibet movement, for instance, and democratic activism.

But ahead of the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre, Chinese authorities are cracking down even further on news outlets and search engines, blocking access to websites including Google and the Wall Street Journal. Wednesday marks 25 years since the Chinese army killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of students and protestors in Beijing, and the tightening of media control that followed. It’s part of the Chinese government’s concerted effort to limit information about the incipient pro-democratic movement that ended in bloodshed.

Here are 6 websites the Chinese government is currently blocking or restricting.

Google

The activist blog GreatFire.org, which tracks web censorship in China, published a post Monday saying that Chinese authorities had blocked a variety of Google services in China. As of Monday, Google’s Chrome start page would not load, nor would many other Google sites like the Picasa photo program, Maps service and Calendar application, according to the New York Times. The GreatFire said that the block is far-reaching, and that Google simply isn’t working.

The block is indiscriminate as all Google services in all countries, encrypted or not, are now blocked in China. This blockage includes Google search, images, translate, Gmail and almost all other products. In addition, the block covers Google Hong Kong (China’s version of Google), Google.com and all other country specific versions, e.g Google France…. It is the strictest censorship ever deployed.
Google published a transparency report that showed traffic in China slowed dramatically beginning Sunday, with users of Google’s products in China reduced to little more than half of the country’s usual overall share of worldwide users. Google told the Wall Street Journal that there were no technical problems with its website.

“We’ve checked extensively and there are no technical problems on our side,” a Google spokeswoman said.

Wikipedia

The Chinese government has long blocked Wikipedia pages it deems fishy, including “Dalai Lama,” and “Tibetan Independence Movement” as well as “List of Chinese Dissidents,” and “Chinese democracy movement.” Now is as good a time as any for the Chinese authorities to make sure no one searches “Tiananmen Mothers,” the democracy activist groups founded by the mother of a protestor killed 25 years ago.

The Wall Street Journal

The Journal, which has recently been ramping up its China coverage, is the latest news source to fall victim to the Chinese censors’ axe. Dow Jones, which publishes the Journal, said that the English language site had been blocked since Monday, and the Chinese language site had been blocked since Saturday.

RedTube.com

The government’s “stability maintenance” program has sucked pornographic websites into the mix as well, and RedTube.com is one of the websites that is inaccessible. According to GreatFire, the website is blocked 97% of the time its been tested in China. Pornography in every form has never been welcome in China, however, and the government has blocked magazines and video content for over sixty years.

LinkedIn

The professional networking site just experienced the imposition of local censorship requirements in China, according to the Journal, after setting up a localized version of LinkedIn in China earlier this year.

Facebook

Facebook has been blocked in China for years as it’s viewed suspiciously as a place to freely disseminate ideas. China earlier this year that it was blocking the wildly popular social media website for its “ability to spread rumors” and instead placates its social media-hungry masses with Weibo, a homegrown service it can more easily censor.

"Facebook has been blocked in China for years as it’s viewed suspiciously as a place to freely disseminate ideas." What else to say after this? Freedom of speech but just to talk about what they think its ok. And i think Chinese people are good people, but their government is communistic and they want to control things too much.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 11, 2015, 06:52:49 PM



It is one thing to be very critical of military actions of the US, or the position of europe on many political subjects.

It is an insult to say china does not censor the internet. I have asked the same question over and over but some people prefer to play the role of a chinese propagandist tool...



Praying flags. Tibet.






 


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 08:13:58 PM
Google published a transparency report that showed traffic in China slowed dramatically beginning Sunday, with users of Google’s products in China reduced to little more than half of the country’s usual overall share of worldwide users.

Do You still pretend to say, that ALEXA.COM show fake traffic of China Mainland users on GOOGLE.CN ?

Anyone can take a chinese IP and enter to GOOGLE.CN or Yahoo.CN or Youtube.com


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 11, 2015, 10:23:43 PM
Google published a transparency report that showed traffic in China slowed dramatically beginning Sunday, with users of Google’s products in China reduced to little more than half of the country’s usual overall share of worldwide users.

Do You still pretend to say, that ALEXA.COM show fake traffic of China Mainland users on GOOGLE.CN ?

Anyone can take a chinese IP and enter to GOOGLE.CN or Yahoo.CN or Youtube.com


you go on kidding, i just visit google.cn but it redirected to google.com.hk,  as i told you before

i did not say fake traffic but mainland chinese people visit google youtube fackbook twitter all using VPN otherwise it fails due to GFW,  russian bitch!!!


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 11, 2015, 11:52:43 PM
mainland chinese people visit google youtube fackbook twitter all using VPN otherwise it fails due to GFW,  russian bitch!!!

The true is, when someone use VPN with foreign IP, on ALEXA it will shown as non China Mainland traffic.
If You pay more attention - on ALEXA are present google.cn, google.com and google.com.tw
for each such domain is visible the IP of visitor

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/google.cn
Put Your Eyes on "Audience Geography" and check there "Percent of Visitors" and "Rank in Country".


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2015, 11:58:22 PM
Fuck China.  That country is flooding the US with its counterfeit crapola and has all our manufacturing jobs.  What else needs to be said?  There's no way any red blooded American is going to follow a code of conduct on the Internet established by China. Not going to fucking happen.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 12, 2015, 12:03:51 AM
That country is flooding the US with its counterfeit crapola
Crush your ASUS, Logitech, Panasonic, Honda Fit... burn them

Never eat Ketchup - it is chinese sauce, countereit in USA and EU.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 12, 2015, 02:34:36 AM
That country is flooding the US with its counterfeit crapola
Crush your ASUS, Logitech, Panasonic, Honda Fit... burn them

Never eat Ketchup - it is chinese sauce, countereit in USA and EU.


What's so great about china, beside its corrupted politburo?




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: recklessrager on October 12, 2015, 02:36:43 AM
COC for the internet.
Great! This will go along perfectly with America's war on drugs!

Where do I sign?



Excuse me while I puke.



(*******censored*******)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: chennan on October 12, 2015, 02:42:13 AM



A Chinese official on Friday called on the United Nations to impose an international code of conduct on the Internet.


"It is highly necessary and pressing for the international community to jointly bring about an international code of conduct on cyberspace at an early date," said Wang Qun, director-general of the Arms Control Department of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, in comments to the U.N. General Assembly.

Wang's comments were reported by China's main state-owned press outlet, the Xinhua News Agency.

"China, for its part, will continue to commit itself to establishing a peaceful, secure, open and cooperative cyberspace and pushing for an early international code of conduct acceptable to all," Wang added.


Is this serious? China has been a big time hacker of international secure data for some time now, mainly going after secure US documents... How in the world is the Chinese trying to become the poster boy for a "peaceful internet" when it's government is known for hacking and censoring the internet they have?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 12, 2015, 09:05:47 AM

when it's government is known for hacking and censoring the internet they have?
Purdue deletes video of author’s academic talk on NSA after federal order (https://www.rt.com/usa/318070-purdue-deletes-nsa-presentation/)

The highest EU court said ... that the US compromised the essential European right to privacy. (https://www.rt.com/news/317870-eu-snowden-safe-harbor/)

Who is this dude on twitter -  @Snowden ???


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: chennan on October 12, 2015, 10:48:39 AM

when it's government is known for hacking and censoring the internet they have?
Purdue deletes video of author’s academic talk on NSA after federal order (https://www.rt.com/usa/318070-purdue-deletes-nsa-presentation/)

The highest EU court said ... that the US compromised the essential European right to privacy. (https://www.rt.com/news/317870-eu-snowden-safe-harbor/)

Who is this dude on twitter -  @Snowden ???

I'm not saying that the U.S. Doesn't play part of shady activity on the Internet as well, all I'm saying is how can the Chinese actually be trying to play the innocent card, when everyone knows that they are apart of the problem they are trying to "solve".


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 12, 2015, 11:09:15 AM
I'm saying is how can the Chinese actually be trying to play the innocent card,

The Government of China (Mainland) will have the instrument to stop foregn forces in putting so huge amount of people in political and economical instability.
One of such experts is  "msc_de", he is 100% blind on US activity against China (Mainland).


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Snail2 on October 12, 2015, 11:25:45 AM
I'm not saying that the U.S. Doesn't play part of shady activity on the Internet as well, all I'm saying is how can the Chinese actually be trying to play the innocent card, when everyone knows that they are apart of the problem they are trying to "solve".

Actually the US don't want to censor or limit freedom of speech on the Internet. They want to monitor it. ...and then "censor and limit" individuals or groups of individuals who looks dangerous for them. Limiting the platform instead of limiting some users make no sense. The more free talks and the deeper belief of "free internet" will yield the more information and more detailed results for them.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 12, 2015, 02:01:40 PM
Actually the US don't want to censor or limit freedom of speech on the Internet.

Please, comment this news - https://www.rt.com/usa/318070-purdue-deletes-nsa-presentation/


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 12, 2015, 03:28:31 PM
I'm saying is how can the Chinese actually be trying to play the innocent card,

The Government of China (Mainland) will have the instrument to stop foregn forces in putting so huge amount of people in political and economical instability.
One of such experts is  "msc_de", he is 100% blind on US activity against China (Mainland).



https://i.imgur.com/NXEJxFF.jpg




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 12, 2015, 03:56:27 PM

https://i.imgur.com/NXEJxFF.jp


LOL
About what is evidence the fake picture from Taipei (http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/supporter-of-tibetan-spiritual-leader-dalai-lama-dressed-up-news-photo/110021065) on March 12, 2011?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: panju1 on October 12, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
The U.N. will be considering norms related to cyberspace security this month. A committee comprised of 20 nations published a proposal over the summer for the General Assembly to consider.

The U.N. advisory board has called for "effective cooperation among States to reduce risks to international peace and security" and says that state actors "should not conduct or knowingly support" cyber crime.


More worrying than China's call, is the fact that the UN is considering norms related to cyber security.
I hope governments don't use the "UN norms" to push regulation of the internet.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 12, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
The U.N. will be considering norms related to cyberspace security this month. A committee comprised of 20 nations published a proposal over the summer for the General Assembly to consider.

The U.N. advisory board has called for "effective cooperation among States to reduce risks to international peace and security" and says that state actors "should not conduct or knowingly support" cyber crime.


More worrying than China's call, is the fact that the UN is considering norms related to cyber security.
I hope governments don't use the "UN norms" to push regulation of the internet.


If you want a model for abusing the internet, the UN is doing fine using china as a model. China is afraid of the chinese citizens.




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: RodeoX on October 12, 2015, 07:29:28 PM
How about a code of conduct with harsh penalties for governments who spy on us? If not then I prefer we hack the planet and leave no one in control of anything.

P.S. https://i.imgur.com/NXEJxFF.jp

Why is that guy holding a toy gun?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 12, 2015, 08:40:13 PM

Why is that guy holding a toy gun?

Becose this is a fake picture from Taipei, i just put the link about.
There is not enough evidences of supposed crimes, and China haters need make fake pictures to put them on forum like this.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 12, 2015, 10:42:16 PM

Why is that guy holding a toy gun?

Becose this is a fake picture from Taipei, i just put the link about.
There is not enough evidences of supposed crimes, and China haters need make fake pictures to put them on forum like this.




Fake?




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 13, 2015, 07:55:32 AM

Fake?


LOL again, You need to decide, about what are You worry - or about China (Mainland) people or some Tibet fanatics in exile.
On this picture i see actions of legitimate government on stabilisation of normal business friendly life.
This dude run away as alive.

Please, explain Your point of view on Donetsk/Lugansk bombing by ZOG government in Kiev.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: RodeoX on October 13, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Quote from: Vika NSFW
On this picture i see actions of legitimate government on stabilisation of normal business friendly life. This dude run away as alive.

That is a scary statement. They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Lethn on October 13, 2015, 04:54:10 PM
Amazing really, the propagandists and spammers are out in force lately on this forum.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 13, 2015, 05:02:09 PM
They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?

Ohh. Please, put here the font of such precious fake news.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 13, 2015, 05:03:46 PM

I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Are avaiable pictures from other point of view of the same scene.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 05:04:55 PM

I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Are avaiable pictures from other point of view of the same scene.

https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 13, 2015, 05:05:48 PM
Business friendly? WTF?

www.51job.com


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: RodeoX on October 13, 2015, 05:13:47 PM
They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?

Ohh. Please, put here the font of such precious fake news.

If you live in under a totalitarian regime how would you know? Estimates range as low as 600-800 or as high as 10,000. And no one knows how many were rounded up later and murdered by the government. The most disturbing thing I remember from the protests was when a tank rolled up and a guy poped out. Everyone was worried he might shoot them but were relieved when he just produced a camera. A moment later you could see everyone realize that the camera was just as deadly for them, so they ran.  



Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 05:35:38 PM
Amazing really, the propagandists and spammers are out in force lately on this forum.


This is so obvious.




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 06:00:58 PM



25 photos from the bloody protests in China that happened 26 years ago today




This Thursday, June 4, marks the 26th anniversary of the pro-democracy student protests that led to bloodshed in China's Tiananmen Square in 1989.


China has done its best to scrub the event from collective memory.


The country has already detained dozens of dissidents and activists ahead of the anniversary, even putting some "on vacation" with police, Radio Free Asia reported. Meanwhile thousands rallied in Hong Kong last week to remember the victims from 1989.

On the major 25th anniversary last year, China went to great lengths to censor discussion about the tragedy, when Chinese troops killed unarmed civilians in the center of Beijing. (The exact death toll is in dispute, but some estimate that more than 1,000 pro-democracy protesters were killed.)

In an apparent effort to keep people from recalling the violence, China took the drastic measure last year of blocking access to Google in the country. The country also took measures to quell protestors themselves. For example, Chinese authorities arrested a well-known artist named Guo Jian after he created a diorama of Tiananmen Square covered in ground meat.

We've gathered some of more iconic images to remember the historic event.


http://s30.postimg.org/hq5j0rlul/01_the_protests_began_in_april_of_1989_after_th.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/hq5j0rlul/) http://s30.postimg.org/5kb9t90t9/02_following_hus_official_state_funeral_some_100.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/5kb9t90t9/) http://s30.postimg.org/amslo1a3h/03_an_anti_protest_editorial_in_peoples_daily_on.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/amslo1a3h/) http://s30.postimg.org/myvi1ixy5/04_by_may_13_a_hunger_strike_had_begun_and_the_c.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/myvi1ixy5/)

http://s30.postimg.org/5csotuw65/05_martial_law_was_declared_on_may_20.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/5csotuw65/) http://s30.postimg.org/dsd7e8spp/06_the_student_protest_became_split_around_this.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/dsd7e8spp/) http://s30.postimg.org/uwuz0ahjx/07_but_the_students_and_their_supporters_were_cl.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/uwuz0ahjx/) http://s30.postimg.org/kbb3oab8d/08_protestors_mocked_government_bribes_for_pro_g.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/kbb3oab8d/)

http://s30.postimg.org/f164wzqzh/09_they_even_unloaded_a_30_foot_styrofoam_statue.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/f164wzqzh/) http://s30.postimg.org/6k6mm2mal/10_troops_began_clearing_the_square_at_the_start.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6k6mm2mal/) http://s30.postimg.org/oo9n6pjz1/11_protesters_resisted.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/oo9n6pjz1/) http://s30.postimg.org/qhcjv155p/12_most_were_unarmed_but_some_had_rocks_and_othe.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qhcjv155p/)

http://s30.postimg.org/9i3lfrty5/13_officially_241_people_died.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/9i3lfrty5/) http://s30.postimg.org/pudn5i89p/14_tens_of_thousands_of_people_were_arrested_aft.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/pudn5i89p/) http://s30.postimg.org/mc68muwrh/15_violence_erupted.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/mc68muwrh/) http://s30.postimg.org/b2dirwrq5/16_many_more_were_injured.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/b2dirwrq5/)

http://s30.postimg.org/gp9vpdu8t/17_the_iconic_footage_of_a_man_standing_up_to_a.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/gp9vpdu8t/)




Click on the images


http://www.businessinsider.com/tiananmen-square-photos-26th-anniversary-2015-6?op=1



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Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 06:06:51 PM



94 Search Terms That China Bans Because Of Tiananmen Square





The 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre is this week, and China is taking extreme measures to make sure nobody commemorates the event.

In 2012, China Digital Times identified more than 100 search terms China bans around the anniversary of Tiananmen Square. The country has already shut down Google services ahead of the 25th anniversary.

The government puts a lot of effort into erasing the 1989 massacre from books, TV, and internet resources that are available to its citizens. China's younger generation seems mostly unaware of the student-led, pro-democracy Tiananmen Square protests in Beijing that drove Chinese soldiers to kill hundreds (or possibly thousands) of people.

Some of the words and terms the government has blocked seem odd and out-of-place, but they're tied to the event and could bring up information about it. Some of these words were coded in an (unsuccessful) attempt to evade Chinese government censors.

Here's a list of some of the terms that have been blocked by censors both this year and in the past:

Big yellow duck (because an image circulated online showing giant toy ducks replacing military vehicles in the Tank Man photo, the same photo at the top of this post)
Tank Man (a reference to the above photo of a lone protester trying to block tanks)
Shanghai index (a reference to the Shanghai stock market closing down 64.89 points on 2012's anniversary)
63 + 1 (because it adds up to 64, or June 4th)
65-1
Candle (because the candle emoticon is commonly used online to mourn deaths)
Fire
Torch
Oil lamp
Candle flame
Blood
Democracy
Autonomous
Twitter
Memorial event
Mobilize troops
Crush
Crush and destroy
Assemble
Revolt
Open fire
One-party dictatorship
Today
Tomorrow
Yesterday
Tiananmen
Square
Mourn
When spring becomes summer
That year
That day
Special day
Pillar of shame (a reference to sculptures symbolizing those who died in the massacre)
Victoria Park (where some of the sculptures were placed)
Evening event
Silent tribute
Recall
Ceremony
Little secretary
Black shirt
Black clothes
Redress
Commemorate
Demonstrate
Persecute
Conflict
Gunfire
Turmoil
Sensitive
Mothers of the Motherland
Hunger Strike Declaration
Operation Yellowbird
Non-violent non-cooperation
Chinese Spring
Take a walk
Member of standing committee
Gang of Four (Communist leaders)
Political bureau
Protest
Sit-in
Take to the streets
Go into the street
Never forget
Against bureaucratic profiteering (because it's part of a slogan from the Tiananmen protests)
Suppress
Tank
May 35
35
Six Four
64
June
Jun+4
Thirty-five
Twenty-four
Six+four
Six 4
6 four
Liusi (Pinyin for "six four")
Bajiu (Pinyin for "eight nine")
Six four
Eight nine
Eight eight
TAM (abbreviation for Tiananmen)
Jinshuiqiao
Changan Avenue
Muxidi
Gongzhufen
Martial law
Student movement
Student strike
Student federation
Massacre
March
Beijing massacred


http://www.businessinsider.com/words-china-banned-from-search-engines-after-tiananmen-square-2014-6



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Just for fun use any or all of those words when replying to the internet water army agent...

 :) ;) :)





Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 06:15:35 PM



By the way, how can we explain all the views, in just two days? Almost 1700 as of this writing.

I know people love or hate my threads but... Come on.

 ::)



Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 13, 2015, 07:46:38 PM
Estimates range



You should write "i have no data" and "no photo".
But You promise "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."
So hard to have 0 photos on so huge event.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 07:49:06 PM



Apple Disables News App in China Amid Censorship Concerns

Beijing escalates campaign to restrict free flow of information from U.S. companies, journalists


Apple is reported to have deactivated its news app in China amid concerns that Beijing is escalating its campaign to restrict the flow of information from U.S. news outlets and technology companies.

The New York Times reported that, even for users who downloaded the app on their phones in the United States, content does not appear in China. Instead, the error message “news isn’t supported in your current region” appears.

Beijing requires most companies operating in the country to develop a censorship system, which can include automated software and designated workers, to block sensitive content. By disabling the app, Apple appears to be signaling that it has not yet committed to implementing such a system.

Apple’s press office did not respond to a request for comment.

Apple, which earned more than $13 billion in sales from China in the last quarter, is likely keeping a close watch on the censorship regulations that compose Beijing’s so-called “Great Firewall” against restricted information online. U.S. technology firms have lost billions of dollars in potential revenue from website blockages and other restrictions, including demands that the companies provide user data and intellectual property to the government.

Sarah Cook, a senior research analyst for Freedom House, wrote in an online post earlier this year that Beijing has heightened its efforts to crack down on U.S. companies and curtail the free flow of information.

“Pressure on foreign media companies and harassment of their correspondents—especially via website blocks, visa delays, and de facto expulsions—has increased over the past seven years, following a brief period of relaxation surrounding the 2008 Beijing Olympics,” she wrote. “Moreover, virtually any U.S. firm operating any information service or website that is accessible to Chinese users faces pressure to implement Communist Party surveillance and censorship directives. Those who refuse risk being shut out of the world’s largest web market.”

U.S. companies have taken different approaches to China’s expanding censorship regime. Google decided in 2010 to shut down its Internet search service in the country in response to the strict requirements, though it continued some of its other services.

LinkedIn, by contrast, acceded to some of Beijing’s demands and is reported to have censored articles last June about the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protests, which were brutally suppressed by the Chinese military in 1989. Jeff Weiner, CEO of LinkedIn, told the Wall Street Journal last February that compromises would have to be made to operate in China.

“We are strongly in support of freedom of expression and we are opposed to censorship but recognize that in order to obtain a license [in China], there will be requests to filter content and that’s going to be necessary for us to achieve the kind of scale that we’d like,” he said.

Bloomberg News, which previously published investigative reports about the family wealth of Chinese President Xi Jinping, appeared to abstain from reporting critical of the Communist Party after government-linked companies stopped buying their terminals, Bloomberg’s chief revenue generator. Beijing has also denied residency visas to news reporters for Bloomberg and the Times.

Xi has only intensified the government’s crackdown against freedom of expression since he rose to power in 2012, Cook wrote in her post. The new measures include more blockages of U.S. websites and services that were previously accessible, the targeting of cloud services such as Dropbox that store and share data, massive cyber attacks against programs that circumvent Chinese censorship, and draft legislation that would make U.S. companies and civil society groups vulnerable to surveillance.

While Beijing often claims that it heavily regulates online activity to protect against foreign threats, Cook said the evidence suggests that the government has other concerns in mind.

“Rigorous research has repeatedly shown that the content targeted for censorship in China most often relates to critically important topics like official corruption, police brutality, religious persecution, ethnic relations, and public health,” she said. “Many measures also serve to ensure Communist Party control over key nodes in the information flow, regardless of what is being communicated.”


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/apple-disables-news-app-in-china-amid-censorship-concerns/


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China will keep the internet free... From free speech.





Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 07:52:08 PM
Estimates range



You should write "i have no data" and "no photo".
But You promise "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."
So hard to have 0 photos on so huge event.


I should write whatever the heck I want, Mr. internet water army...

Candle
Fire
Torch
Oil lamp
Candle flame
Blood
Democracy
Autonomous
Twitter
Memorial event
Mobilize troops
Crush
Crush and destroy
Assemble
Revolt
Open fire
One-party dictatorship
Today
Tomorrow
Yesterday
Tiananmen
Square
Mourn
When spring becomes summer
That year
That day
Special day
Pillar of shame (a reference to sculptures symbolizing those who died in the massacre)
Victoria Park (where some of the sculptures were placed)
Evening event
Silent tribute
Recall
Ceremony
Little secretary
Black shirt
Black clothes
Redress
Commemorate
Demonstrate
Persecute
Conflict
Gunfire
Turmoil
Sensitive
Mothers of the Motherland
Hunger Strike Declaration
Operation Yellowbird
Non-violent non-cooperation
Chinese Spring
Take a walk
Member of standing committee
Gang of Four (Communist leaders)
Political bureau
Protest
Sit-in
Take to the streets
Go into the street
Never forget
Against bureaucratic profiteering (because it's part of a slogan from the Tiananmen protests)
Suppress
Tank
May 35
35
Six Four
64
June
Jun+4
Thirty-five
Twenty-four
Six+four
Six 4
6 four
Liusi (Pinyin for "six four")
Bajiu (Pinyin for "eight nine")
Six four
Eight nine
Eight eight
TAM (abbreviation for Tiananmen)
Jinshuiqiao
Changan Avenue
Muxidi
Gongzhufen
Martial law
Student movement
Student strike
Student federation
Massacre
March
Beijing massacred

 8)




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 13, 2015, 08:19:50 PM

I should write whatever the heck I want, Mr. internet water army...



This is pure flooding.
What about to give the requested data?
Some ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 09:39:00 PM

I should write whatever the heck I want, Mr. internet water army...



This is pure flooding.
What about to give the requested data?
Some ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Can you type "Tiananmen Square"? I want you to type Tiananmen Square.




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 13, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Quote from: Vika NSFW
On this picture i see actions of legitimate government on stabilisation of normal business friendly life. This dude run away as alive.

That is a scary statement. They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?


certainly young chinese people dont know this photo, they even have no idea about what is tiananmen massacre on 4.Juni.1989 due to the fact that china runs GFW

but older people in china know this famous photo.



Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 13, 2015, 09:45:40 PM
I'm saying is how can the Chinese actually be trying to play the innocent card,

The Government of China (Mainland) will have the instrument to stop foregn forces in putting so huge amount of people in political and economical instability.
One of such experts is  "msc_de", he is 100% blind on US activity against China (Mainland).


   One of such experts is "Vika NSFW" , you are  100% blind on  China (Mainland) activity against US and western world.



you are 5 mao party member


5mao RMB equals to 0.074 € according to recent ratio, fuck you off


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 13, 2015, 10:47:45 PM
I'm saying is how can the Chinese actually be trying to play the innocent card,

The Government of China (Mainland) will have the instrument to stop foregn forces in putting so huge amount of people in political and economical instability.
One of such experts is  "msc_de", he is 100% blind on US activity against China (Mainland).


   One of such experts is "Vika NSFW" , you are  100% blind on  China (Mainland) activity against US and western world.



you are 5 mao party member


5mao RMB equals to 0.074 € according to recent ratio, fuck you off


Not blind. Paid to be on a forum. Just reply to the agent with any of the forbidden words. It is like garlic to a vampire or kryptonite for superman...






Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 12:38:31 AM
By the way, how can we explain all the views, in just two days?


Ohh, a pageview masturbator detected...


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 12:42:33 AM
https://i.imgur.com/v0B3nOW.jpg

Fake?
I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Quote from: Vika NSFW
On this picture i see actions of legitimate government on stabilisation of normal business friendly life. This dude run away as alive.

That is a scary statement. They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?


certainly young chinese people dont know this photo,
 they even have no idea about
what is tiananmen massacre on 4.Juni.1989 due to the fact that china runs GFW

but older people in china know this famous photo.



This dude left the scene as alive.

Where are ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks." ???


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 12:47:32 AM
One of such experts is "Vika NSFW" , you are  100% blind on  China (Mainland) activity against US and western world.

Wow. China (Mainland) have send arms and trained terrorists for Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Egypt?
China (Mainland) send arms to ISIS, as it does Pentagon?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 12:50:31 AM

Can you type "Tiananmen Square"? I want you to type Tiananmen Square.


Nothing is impossible.

http://cs621917.vk.me/v621917445/3b15b/vCxHpohqhis.jpg

=1&publication_type[]=10&publication_type[]=17&publication_type[]=21&publication_type[]=35&publication_type[]=25&publication_type[]=15&publication_type[]=7&publication_type[]=33&publication_type[]=29&publication_type[]=36&publication_type[]=37&publication_type[]=16&publication_type[]=12&publication_type[]=2&publication_type[]=3&publication_type[]=4&publication_type[]=24&publication_type[]=30&publication_type[]=19&publication_type[]=20&publication_type[]=26&publication_type[]=27&publication_type[]=28&publication_type[]=5&publication_type[]=38&publication_type[]=34&publication_type[]=6&publication_type[]=8&publication_type[]=22&publication_type[]=32&publication_type[]=9&publication_type[]=31&publication_type[]=18&publication_type[]=13&publication_type[]=14&sort=0#results]
search.wikileaks.org/advanced?q=Tiananmen+massacr (https://search.wikileaks.org/advanced?q=Tiananmen+massacre&exclude_words=&words_title_only=&words_content_only=&publication_type[)

https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=06kdVqTfMKnD8gfZ_4DABA&gws_rd=cr#q=Tiananmen+Square+massacre+site:.cn


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 01:01:15 AM
Business friendly? WTF?

SHANGHAI, Oct. 8 (Xinhua) -- The first phase of the Cross-border Interbank Payment System (CIPS) was launched on Thursday in Shanghai, promoting the global use of the Chinese currency.

"CIPS is an important milestone in the internationalization of the yuan," said Fan Yifei, deputy governor of the People's Bank of China, the central bank.

The system, which provides capital settlement and clearing services for cross-border yuan transactions for financial institutions, will boost the global use of the yuan, or renminbi (RMB), by cutting costs and processing times, he said.

Previously, cross-border yuan clearing had to be done either through one of the offshore yuan clearing banks, such as those in Hong Kong, Singapore or London, or with the help of a corresponding bank on the Chinese mainland.

CIPS will play a significant role in shoring up China's real economy and promote domestic enterprises "going abroad", said Fan.

The worldwide "payment superhighway", will accelerate the internationalization of the RMB, said Hu Xiaolian, president of the Export-Import Bank of China.

Developed and administered by the central bank, CIPS will run from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. Beijing time.

Nineteen banks have been named direct participants of CIPS, including four major Chinese banks, and HSBC Bank (China), Citibank China and Standard Chartered China, all of which are allowed to open accounts with CIPS and receive services directly.

In addition, 38 Chinese banks and 138 foreign financial institutions have been approved as indirect participants. They are entitled to CIPS services indirectly through one or more of the direct participants.

Liao Yijian, president and CEO of HSBC Bank (China) said CIPS will encourage the cross-border use of yuan as the system was now less complicated.

CIPS will put the yuan on an even footing with other global currencies in areas such as operating hours, risk reduction and liquidity optimization, said Zeng Gang, professor with the Finance Institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

In November 2014, the yuan became one of the world's top five payment currencies overtaking the Canadian and Australian dollars, according to global transaction services organization SWIFT.

As of Sept. 30, 2014, cross-border yuan settlement had exceeded 4.8 trillion yuan (750 billion U.S. dollars), up from 3.58 billion yuan in 2009.

The central bank designated 10 official yuan clearing banks last year, bringing the total to 14 globally.

"This is only the first step and we have more to do," said Central Bank Deputy Governor Fan Yifei.

He said CIPS phase two will offer participants more flexibility.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 01:31:41 AM

I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8E%8B%E7%BB%B4%E6%9E%97#.E5.8F.83.E8.80.83.E8.B3.87.E6.96.99 (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8E%8B%E7%BB%B4%E6%9E%97#.E5.8F.83.E8.80.83.E8.B3.87.E6.96.99)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 14, 2015, 08:04:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/v0B3nOW.jpg

Fake?
I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Quote from: Vika NSFW
On this picture i see actions of legitimate government on stabilisation of normal business friendly life. This dude run away as alive.

That is a scary statement. They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?


certainly young chinese people dont know this photo,
 they even have no idea about
what is tiananmen massacre on 4.Juni.1989 due to the fact that china runs GFW

but older people in china know this famous photo.



This dude left the scene as alive.

Where are ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks." ???




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2YACrLP8w


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 14, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
https://i.imgur.com/v0B3nOW.jpg

Fake?
I have read that that image is virtually unknown in China.

Quote from: Vika NSFW
On this picture i see actions of legitimate government on stabilisation of normal business friendly life. This dude run away as alive.

That is a scary statement. They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks. Business friendly? WTF?


certainly young chinese people dont know this photo,
 they even have no idea about
what is tiananmen massacre on 4.Juni.1989 due to the fact that china runs GFW

but older people in china know this famous photo.



This dude left the scene as alive.

Where are ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks." ???




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2YACrLP8w



Thank you for preserving history.




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 09:15:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2YACrLP8w


3 Hous of video.
Some picture with ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks." there???
Put timeline please.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 14, 2015, 09:45:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2YACrLP8w


3 Hous of video.
Some picture with ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks." there???
Put timeline please.


China kills anyone against their communist regime. China hates freedom of speech. Facts. This forum or this thread is not enough to rewrite history.


Jiang Wenhao

Chen Guangcheng


Keep playing. We understand you need to justify your paycheck from your guard dog.





Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 10:03:55 PM

China kills anyone against their communist regime. China hates freedom of speech.



You are so strange, You post here pictures of presumpt chinese victims, they are in that way chinese anti communists, and they combat in paceful way for some strange idea as freedom of speech and other shit, right?
That all rappresent China.


But now, i'm asking the evidence of ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 14, 2015, 10:19:30 PM



Chinese Teenager Held Under House Arrest Before He Could Escape to United States
Communist Party continues sweeping crackdown on rights lawyers and their families


The teenage son of a detained rights lawyer in China is now being held under house arrest after he attempted to seek entry into the United States, according to reports.

Bao Zhuoxuan, 16, is under surveillance by authorities at his grandparents’ house in Inner Mongolia, a region of northern China. Police first seized Bao earlier this month in Burma near the Chinese border.

Fengsuo Zhou, a U.S. citizen and human rights activist, told the New York Times that he had planned to meet Bao in Bangkok, Thailand, and help him escape to America.

Bao is the son of Wang Yu, a prominent rights lawyer in China. Authorities detained Wang in July as part of a sweeping crackdown by the Communist Party against more than 300 rights lawyers and activists. More than 20, including Wang, remain in custody.

Bao’s case is emblematic of Chinese authorities’ attempts to end the rights lawyer movement by targeting their families. According to a new report from the Congressional-Executive Commission on China in the United States, police seized Bao’s passport in July at the Beijing Capital International Airport and detained his father, Bao Longjun, before they could travel to Australia, where Bao planned to attend high school.

Ory Abramowicz, spokesman for the State Department, told the Washington Free Beacon that the United States is concerned about the reports of Bao’s house arrest.

“We urge China to uphold its international human rights commitments and protect the health and safety of this minor child,” he said in a statement. “We are also disturbed by a seemingly systematic campaign by China to target family members of Chinese citizens who peacefully challenge official policy and work to protect the rights of others.”

“If Bao Zhuoxuan’s family wishes him to study abroad like hundreds of thousands of other Chinese students, China should permit him to leave the country,” he continued. “We call on China to remove restrictions on Bao Zhuoxuan’s freedom of movement, and again urge China to release Wang Yu and Bao Longjun without condition.”

Activists say Chinese President Xi Jinping has initiated the worst repression since former dictator Mao Zedong in an attempt to strengthen the Party’s grip on society. Human rights lawyers, activists, religious and ethnic minorities, and all dissenters from the Party have been targeted.

U.S. lawmakers and Chinese dissidents have urged the Obama administration to publicly raise the cases of political prisoners and press their counterparts in Beijing on rights abuses. Rep. Chris Smith (R., N.J.), chairman of the China commission, said earlier this month that, “U.S. leadership on human rights is needed now more than ever” amid the Chinese government’s “extraordinary assault” against its own people.

However, Obama has often been criticized for subordinating the issue of human rights to other economic and security concerns in dialogues with the Chinese. Xi’s first official state visit to Washington went ahead last month despite calls from rights groups to cancel the summit unless prisoners were released.

White House officials raised white sheets around Obama and Xi’s press conference during the visit, blocking protesters from a view of the Chinese leader.

State Department spokesman John Kirby reiterated on Wednesday that “The United States is concerned about media reports that Bao Zhuoxuan, the son of detained rights lawyer Wang Yu and her detained husband Bao Longjun, is being held under house arrest in Inner Mongolia, China.” He told reporters at a press briefing that U.S. officials urge their Chinese counterparts to “protect the health and safety of this minor child” and allow him freedom of movement, including the ability to leave the country.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-teenager-held-under-house-arrest-before-he-could-escape-to-united-states/




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 10:46:00 PM
human rights activist


Again...
Why You do nothing for Womans in Saudi Arabia, who have no rights to drive cars alone?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 14, 2015, 10:51:43 PM

We understand you need to justify your paycheck from your guard dog.


I sospect, that You have grave disorder.
Make a check by local psyhiatric hospital.

You still give no ansver to so clearly explained question,
and You put links to chinese Pilot, on request of proof about
 ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 15, 2015, 12:13:12 AM

We understand you need to justify your paycheck from your guard dog.


I sospect, that You have grave disorder.
Make a check by local psyhiatric hospital.

You still give no ansver to so clearly explained question,
and You put links to chinese Pilot, on request of proof about
 ©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Death toll[edit]
The civilians killed in the city of Beijing, according to the city police, "included university professors, technical people, officials, workers, owners of small private enterprises, retired workers, high school students and grade school students, of whom the youngest was nine years old."[143] The number of deaths and the extent of bloodshed in the Square itself have been in dispute since the events. As the Chinese authorities actively suppress discussion of the events as well as research of the subject, it is difficult to verify exact figures. As a result, large discrepancies exist among various casualty estimates.[citation needed]

Official figures[edit]
Official figures of the dead range from 200 to 300. At the State Council press conference on June 6, spokesman Yuan Mu said that "preliminary tallies" by the government showed that about 300 civilians and soldiers died, including 23 students from universities in Beijing, along with a number of people he described as "ruffians".[136] Yuan also said some 5,000 soldiers and police along with 2,000 civilians were wounded. On June 19, Beijing Party Secretary Li Ximing reported to the Politburo that the government's confirmed death toll was 241, including 218 civilians (of which 36 were students), 10 PLA soldiers and 13 People's Armed Police, along with 7,000 wounded.[144][145]

Estimates[edit]
Unofficial estimates of the death toll have usually been higher than government figures, and go as high as several thousand. Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times wrote on June 21 that "it seems plausible that about fifty soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians."[146] Then-U.S. ambassador James Lilley said that based on visits to hospitals around Beijing, a minimum of several hundred had been killed.[147] In a 1990 article addressing the question, Time magazine asserted that the Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths on the morning of June 4, though later this figure was retracted.[148] A declassified NSA cable filed on the same day estimated 180–500 deaths up to the morning of June 4.[149] Amnesty International's estimates puts the number of deaths at several hundred to close to 1,000,[148][150] while a Western diplomat that compiled estimates put the number at 300 to 1,000.[146]


Ding Zilin and her husband Jiang Peikun, in front of the portrait of their son Jiang Jielian, who was 17 when killed by gunfire on June 3, 1989 in Beijing. Ding and another bereaved mother founded the Tiananmen Mothers, a network of families who lost loved ones in the military crackdown. She has been detained or placed under house arrest repeatedly in the years since for her advocacy.
Identifying the dead[edit]
The Tiananmen Mothers, a victims' advocacy group co-founded by Ding Zilin and Zhang Xianling, whose children were killed during the crackdown, have identified 202 victims as of August 2011. The group has worked painstakingly, in the face of government interference, to locate victims' families and collect information about the victims. Their tally has grown from 155 in 1999 to 202 in 2011. The list includes four individuals who committed suicide on or after June 4, for reasons that related to their involvement in the demonstrations.[151][152]

Wu Renhua of the Chinese Alliance for Democracy, an overseas group agitating for democratic reform in China, said that he was only able to verify and identify 15 military deaths. Wu asserts that if deaths from events unrelated to demonstrators were removed from the count, only seven deaths among military personnel may be counted as those "killed in action" fighting protestors.[107]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989#Death_toll


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 15, 2015, 12:23:02 AM
One of such experts is "Vika NSFW" , you are  100% blind on  China (Mainland) activity against US and western world.

Wow. China (Mainland) have send arms and trained terrorists for Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Egypt?
China (Mainland) send arms to ISIS, as it does Pentagon?


 Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Egypt maybe still suffered from dictatorship without help from USA


china and russia always do evil things in UN against democracy


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 15, 2015, 06:12:43 AM



30 Million Cameras: China's Mass Surveillance Program


http://news.discovery.com/history/videos/30-million-cameras-chinas-mass-surveillance-program-test-tube-news-151014.htm




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: vero on October 15, 2015, 06:58:59 AM
How many Democracies or Free Societies exist amongst the 190 Countries in the General Assembly at the UN? Didn’t China shut down social media just a few years ago b/c they didn’t want to see nor read criticism of the Government


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: christycalhoun on October 15, 2015, 07:25:10 AM
I hope the old fart communists will eventually kick the bucket and the Chinese people will finally be free.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: BADecker on October 15, 2015, 08:06:37 AM
In other words, China asks the world to impose slavery on as many people as they can get away with. China would gladly get rid of the freedom the American and British influence in China has had upon Chinese citizens.

:)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 15, 2015, 08:16:05 AM

 Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Egypt maybe still suffered from dictatorship without help from USA


china and russia always do evil things in UN against democracy

You are a lunatic, go right now to Palmira - the result of "help from USA".


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 15, 2015, 08:19:39 AM
killed by gunfire

. At the State Council press conference on June 6, spokesman Yuan Mu
 said that "preliminary tallies" by the government showed that about
 300 civilians and soldiers died,
including 23 students from universities in Beijing, along with a number of people he described as "ruffians".[136]

Of, fuck, "soldiers died" - from a high blood pressure or heart attack?

23 students are shot by gunfire or "with tanks"?



Wow, are You BTClind?

Please... again, i will help You to listen. (Or i need to translate it in German?)

©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: apollofire on October 15, 2015, 10:03:18 AM
China should first free the Internet from the Government control. People have a democratic right to access what they want. Every Govt wants to control Internet to curtail descent voices.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 15, 2015, 11:32:11 AM
China should first free the Internet from the Government control.

Where do You live, without "Government control on Internet"?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 15, 2015, 12:57:32 PM
killed by gunfire

. At the State Council press conference on June 6, spokesman Yuan Mu
 said that "preliminary tallies" by the government showed that about
 300 civilians and soldiers died,
including 23 students from universities in Beijing, along with a number of people he described as "ruffians".[136]

Of, fuck, "soldiers died" - from a high blood pressure or heart attack?

23 students are shot by gunfire or "with tanks"?



Wow, are You BTClind?

Please... again, i will help You to listen. (Or i need to translate it in German?)

©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


obviously you are an idiot, 99% protesters in beijing in 1989 were students, certainly unarmed!!!


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 15, 2015, 01:26:12 PM

obviously you are an idiot, 99% protesters in beijing in 1989 were students, certainly unarmed!!!

And how goes to death all those "soldiers" in tanks?


Have You ever seen GROUP SHOTS of students in China?
This is to easy to find, who disappeared from pictures.
I still need proof, please, explain


©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."

If not - this have no evidence.
1989 in China... go to
http://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?phrase=1989+clashes+china%2C+death+body&family=editorial

The only evidence is - You have no proofs.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: BADecker on October 15, 2015, 04:01:21 PM

obviously you are an idiot, 99% protesters in beijing in 1989 were students, certainly unarmed!!!

This is the exact reason why they want our campuses in America to be gun-free.

:)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 15, 2015, 04:44:03 PM

obviously you are an idiot, 99% protesters in beijing in 1989 were students, certainly unarmed!!!

This is the exact reason why they want our campuses in America to be gun-free.

:)


Yep. Mr. chinese water army here knows that...




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 15, 2015, 05:08:58 PM

obviously you are an idiot, 99% protesters in beijing in 1989 were students, certainly unarmed!!!

And how goes to death all those "soldiers" in tanks?


Have You ever seen GROUP SHOTS of students in China?
This is to easy to find, who disappeared from pictures.
I still need proof, please, explain


©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."

If not - this have no evidence.
1989 in China... go to
http://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?phrase=1989+clashes+china%2C+death+body&family=editorial

The only evidence is - You have no proofs.


http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/52_1.shtml

http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/2_1.shtml




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 15, 2015, 07:54:47 PM

obviously you are an idiot, 99% protesters in beijing in 1989 were students, certainly unarmed!!!

And how goes to death all those "soldiers" in tanks?


Have You ever seen GROUP SHOTS of students in China?
This is to easy to find, who disappeared from pictures.
I still need proof, please, explain


©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."

If not - this have no evidence.
1989 in China... go to
http://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?phrase=1989+clashes+china%2C+death+body&family=editorial

The only evidence is - You have no proofs.


http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/52_1.shtml

http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/2_1.shtml





How can anyone deny the facts, unless they are paid to lie.

Thank you for the links.



Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 15, 2015, 09:15:44 PM


http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/52_1.shtml

http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/2_1.shtml


This fit perfectly in number "23 students", that You self reported HERE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1205880.msg12691155#msg12691155)


http://chinadigitaltimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/images3.gif

I see, You need help to individuate Tank ammonition.
Will i post here something from Donbass area, where is strong presence of "US military aid" to ZOG Ukrainian Government?

Still in searching proofs about
©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: msc_de on October 15, 2015, 10:51:29 PM


http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/52_1.shtml

http://blog.boxun.com/hero/64/2_1.shtml


This fit perfectly in number "23 students", that You self reported HERE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1205880.msg12691155#msg12691155)


http://chinadigitaltimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/images3.gif

I see, You need help to individuate Tank ammonition.
Will i post here something from Donbass area, where is strong presence of "US military aid" to ZOG Ukrainian Government?

Still in searching proofs about
©2015  "They killed thousands of young, unarmed protesters with tanks."



how poor you are,  your head full of bullshit


only revolution can stop you suffer from that


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 15, 2015, 11:08:05 PM

only revolution can stop you suffer from that

Please, check some pictures from "US supported" "Revolution" against legitimate government of former Ukraine.
and there You will see, how are on pictures
" killed thousands of young, unarmed civilians with tanks".

(Will some Help? Ask at Youtube, why videos from there are removed.)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 16, 2015, 04:29:37 PM



IBM Allows Chinese Government to Review Source Code
China has been pressuring U.S. tech companies to hand over source code to prove there are no security risks


BEIJING— International Business Machines Corp. has agreed to let China review some product source code in a secure room, according to two people briefed on the practice, making it the first major U.S. tech company to comply with Beijing’s recent demands for a stronger hand in foreign technology there.

IBM has begun allowing officials from China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology to examine proprietary source code—the secret sauce behind its software—in a controlled space without the ability to remove it from the room, the people said. It wasn’t clear which products IBM was allowing reviews of or how much time ministry officials can spend looking at the code. The people said the practice was new and implemented recently.

IBM Greater China General Manager Shally Wang referred questions to the company’s media-relations office on Friday. An IBM China spokesman didn’t respond to requests for comment. Officials at the Chinese ministry didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Chinese media reported that IBM Senior Vice President Steve Mills disclosed the source-code sharing in a speech in Beijing Thursday, saying that IBM needed government support to continue its growth in China. Mr. Mills’ remarks couldn’t be immediately confirmed.

IBM’s move could rile the Obama administration and some other U.S. tech firms, which have been trying to present a united front against Beijing’s demands for technology sharing. Many U.S. companies are drawn to the massive Chinese information-technology market, which research firm Forrester estimated is worth $136 billion this year. But they worry that allowing access to sensitive material like source codes will put their proprietary information in the hands of Chinese rivals and essentially help future competitors.

IBM has been willing to strike closer partnerships with China’s government than many of its fellow U.S. tech companies, people familiar with the company’s strategy said.

Still, it isn’t clear to what extent IBM’s move might be a symbolic gesture. The people briefed on the practice said Chinese officials can look at the code only during visits and can’t remove it for a thorough review. In a short amount of time, it would be extremely difficult to comb through all the code for a product for potential “backdoors” that would allow spying on users.

China has been pressuring U.S. tech companies to hand over source code for its products to prove there are no security risks, after former U.S. security contractor Edward Snowden disclosed in 2013 that the U.S. government tapped into overseas electronic gear to spy on other governments. U.S. tech firms have grappled with a sales chill in China since then.

“U.S. companies have to think of new ways to get back their market share in China,” said Nicole Peng, an analyst for research firm Canalys. “That includes letting the authorities check they don’t have backdoors.”

China has long tried to get access to source code and other sensitive material from foreign tech companies. In 2010, years before Mr. Snowden’s disclosures intensified Beijing’s efforts, Microsoft said it would share source code for Windows 7 and other products with the Chinese government.

U.S. tech companies are striking more alliances with Chinese counterparts to retain market share. Examples include Hewlett-Packard Co.’s sale of a controlling stake in its China networking gear unit to state-owned Tsinghua Unigroup in May, and Qualcomm Inc. establishing a joint venture in June with Chinese chip foundry Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. to help it develop more advanced chips.

IBM said Wednesday it will offer its cloud-computing platform Bluemix in China through a collaboration with 21Vianet Group Inc., a Chinese company that also partners with Microsoft Corp. IBM also co-founded the China Power Technology Alliance with China’s technology ministry in 2014 to license IBM technology to more Chinese companies.

But U.S. companies have largely resisted pressure from Beijing to share source code. Disclosing source code would reveal the companies’ core intellectual property and raise the risk that Chinese competitors could copy their products. Earlier this year, under pressure from the U.S. government and trade groups, China’s banking regulator suspended the implementation of rules that would force Chinese banks’ equipment suppliers to open their source code for review.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/ibm-allows-chinese-government-to-review-source-code-1444989039


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China is trying to put a back door on everything that is linked to the internet.

The Chinese people are amazing but... The Chinese politburo is a cancer who wants to take over the internet. Everybody can see that, unless you are paid not to see it.




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 16, 2015, 06:34:48 PM

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Are You trying to flood the topic and hide the evidence of multiple fake here?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: stevegreer on October 16, 2015, 07:57:43 PM
Tell you what, China. Stop trying to hack into our DoD networks on a daily basis, and then you can have some right to call for a Code of Conduct on the internet.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 16, 2015, 08:00:53 PM
Tell you what, China. Stop trying to hack into our DoD networks on a daily basis, and then you can have some right to call for a Code of Conduct on the internet.


Better yet: give free speech to your own people first, stop erasing your own history second. You won't have any time left to hack into countries..




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: stevegreer on October 16, 2015, 08:09:11 PM

Better yet: give free speech to your own people first, stop erasing your own history second. You won't have any time left to hack into countries..


That part sounds a lot like what's been happening here in the U.S. over the past few years.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 16, 2015, 10:22:54 PM

Better yet: give free speech to your own people first, stop erasing your own history second. You won't have any time left to hack into countries..


That part sounds a lot like what's been happening here in the U.S. over the past few years.

Funny thing is you would know it because, here in the US, you can google it... Don't you see the irony compared to china, where you can't google it?

Think about it for a sec, then type Tienanmen Square in your reply. If you can do this without any problem, you do not live in china.





Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: pattu1 on October 17, 2015, 02:48:04 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ibm-allows-chinese-government-to-review-source-code-1444989039


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China is trying to put a back door on everything that is linked to the internet.

The Chinese people are amazing but... The Chinese politburo is a cancer who wants to take over the internet. Everybody can see that, unless you are paid not to see it.


Use open source. You have nothing to worry.
They can examine the Bitcoin protocol source code to their heart's content.  :)


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 17, 2015, 03:57:15 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ibm-allows-chinese-government-to-review-source-code-1444989039


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China is trying to put a back door on everything that is linked to the internet.

The Chinese people are amazing but... The Chinese politburo is a cancer who wants to take over the internet. Everybody can see that, unless you are paid not to see it.


Use open source. You have nothing to worry.
They can examine the Bitcoin protocol source code to their heart's content.  :)


What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Vika NSFW on October 17, 2015, 12:13:04 PM
Don't you see the irony compared to china, where you can't google it

Again the same flood.

https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=yzsiVrfLFNKs8we8taX4DQ&gws_rd=cr#q=Tiananmen+Square+Massacre+site:.cn

https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=yzsiVrfLFNKs8we8taX4DQ&gws_rd=cr#q=天安门+方+大屠杀+site:.cn


What number on China Mainland Internat popularity have google.com second ALEXA.com?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 19, 2015, 03:52:04 PM



Report: Cyberattack From China Began Day After Chinese President Agreed With Obama To Stop Doing So…


https://i.imgur.com/e7nBkN4.jpg



WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Last month President Barack Obama said that the U.S. would be “watching closely” to see if “words are followed by actions” after he and Chinese President Xi Jinping announced they reached an agreement regarding cyberattacks.

The next day, a cybersecurity firm is now announcing, a cyberattack by the Chinese was observed and thwarted. In fact, the Irvine, California-based company, CrowdStrike, said Monday Chinese hacking attempts on American corporate intellectual property have occurred with regularity over the past three weeks, suggesting that China almost immediately began violating its cyberagreement with the United States.

CrowdStrike, which employs former FBI and National Security Agency cyberexperts, said it documented seven Chinese cyberattacks against U.S. technology and pharmaceuticals companies “where the primary benefit of the intrusions seems clearly aligned to facilitate theft of intellectual property and trade secrets, rather than to conduct traditional national security-related intelligence collection.”

“We’ve seen no change in behavior,” said Dmitri Alperovich, a founder of CrowdStrike who wrote one of the first public accounts of commercial cyberespionage linked to China in 2011.

CrowdStrike said in a blog post that on Sept. 26, the day after Obama announced that he had expressed “our concerns about growing cyberthreats” to Xi and “indicated that it has to stop,” it observed an intrusion from “China-affiliated actors.” The company said it stopped this attack and none of its customer’s data was taken, but the fact that this attack occurred “highlights the need to remain vigilant despite the newly minted Cyber agreement.”

A senior Obama administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to discuss the matter publicly, said officials are aware of the report but would not comment on its conclusions. The official did not dispute them, however.

The U.S. will continue to directly raise concerns regarding cybersecurity with the Chinese, monitor the country’s cyberactivities closely and press China to abide by all of its commitments, the official added.

The U.S.-China agreement forged last month does not prohibit cyberspying for national security purposes, but it bans economic espionage designed to steal trade secrets for the benefit of competitors. That is something the U.S. says it doesn’t do, but Western intelligence agencies have documented such attacks by China on a massive scale for years.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/19/security-firm-reports-cyberattack-from-china-the-day-after-obama-and-xi-jinping-announced-agreement-on-cyberthreats/?utm_source=TheBlaze.com&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=story&utm_content=security-firm-reports-cyberattack-from-china-the-day-after-obama-and-xi-jinping-announced-agreement-on-cyberthreats


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It is obvious China cannot be trusted with the open free internet... If anyone tells you otherwise that person works for the Chinese government, or paid by the chinese politburo.





Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on October 19, 2015, 03:59:06 PM

Report: Cyberattack From China Began Day After Chinese President Agreed With Obama To Stop Doing So…

...

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It is obvious China cannot be trusted with the open free internet... If anyone tells you otherwise that person works for the Chinese government, or paid by the chinese politburo.


Did you see the thing about facebook warning you from other countries hacking into your computers or phone?

Facebook Warns Users Of State-Sponsored Attacks (http://news.sky.com/story/1572087/facebook-warns-users-of-state-sponsored-attacks)

"Facebook users who receive one of the social network's new warnings should ideally replace or rebuild their entire system.

It's a Facebook notification you never want to see.

The social network is to start warning people when it has a "strong suspicion" that an account has been compromised by a nation-state.

Instead of simply resetting a password, Facebook warns that those affected should either "rebuild or replace" their mobile phone or computer system..."


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 19, 2015, 10:24:28 PM

Report: Cyberattack From China Began Day After Chinese President Agreed With Obama To Stop Doing So…

...

--------------------------------------------
It is obvious China cannot be trusted with the open free internet... If anyone tells you otherwise that person works for the Chinese government, or paid by the chinese politburo.


Did you see the thing about facebook warning you from other countries hacking into your computers or phone?

Facebook Warns Users Of State-Sponsored Attacks (http://news.sky.com/story/1572087/facebook-warns-users-of-state-sponsored-attacks)

"Facebook users who receive one of the social network's new warnings should ideally replace or rebuild their entire system.

It's a Facebook notification you never want to see.

The social network is to start warning people when it has a "strong suspicion" that an account has been compromised by a nation-state.

Instead of simply resetting a password, Facebook warns that those affected should either "rebuild or replace" their mobile phone or computer system..."


Nice find. Yep, let us have China take control or have a say on the internet protocol...

 ::)




Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: pattu1 on October 20, 2015, 12:38:29 PM

What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...

I did look up Ubuntu Kylin.
The website says "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations".
What the hell would procurement regulations have to do with software? If I were a Chinese, I would just go ahead and use the normal version of Ubuntu. Not much that the government can do, right?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: LMGTFY on October 20, 2015, 12:47:31 PM

What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...

I did look up Ubuntu Kylin.
The website says "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations".
What the hell would procurement regulations have to do with software? If I were a Chinese, I would just go ahead and use the normal version of Ubuntu. Not much that the government can do, right?

If you were Chinese the Chinese Government procurement regulations wouldn't apply to you unless you worked for the Government. ;) Most governments have procurement regulations, so taxpayers can be assured that they're getting value for money, and their government isn't wasting money. Whether procurement regulations actually prevent governments wasting taxpayers' money is another matter...


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 20, 2015, 05:20:24 PM

What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...

I did look up Ubuntu Kylin.
The website says "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations".
What the hell would procurement regulations have to do with software? If I were a Chinese, I would just go ahead and use the normal version of Ubuntu. Not much that the government can do, right?

If you were Chinese the Chinese Government procurement regulations wouldn't apply to you unless you worked for the Government. ;) Most governments have procurement regulations, so taxpayers can be assured that they're getting value for money, and their government isn't wasting money. Whether procurement regulations actually prevent governments wasting taxpayers' money is another matter...


Are you saying kylin is only being used by chinese civil servants?



Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: LMGTFY on October 20, 2015, 05:38:58 PM

What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...

I did look up Ubuntu Kylin.
The website says "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations".
What the hell would procurement regulations have to do with software? If I were a Chinese, I would just go ahead and use the normal version of Ubuntu. Not much that the government can do, right?

If you were Chinese the Chinese Government procurement regulations wouldn't apply to you unless you worked for the Government. ;) Most governments have procurement regulations, so taxpayers can be assured that they're getting value for money, and their government isn't wasting money. Whether procurement regulations actually prevent governments wasting taxpayers' money is another matter...


Are you saying kylin is only being used by chinese civil servants?



No. I'm saying that the statement "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations" means that Kylin is OK for Chinese civil servants to use. And, implicitly, if we're not employees of the PRC government we don't need to care about the statement in the slightest.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: Wilikon on October 20, 2015, 05:46:33 PM

What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...

I did look up Ubuntu Kylin.
The website says "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations".
What the hell would procurement regulations have to do with software? If I were a Chinese, I would just go ahead and use the normal version of Ubuntu. Not much that the government can do, right?

If you were Chinese the Chinese Government procurement regulations wouldn't apply to you unless you worked for the Government. ;) Most governments have procurement regulations, so taxpayers can be assured that they're getting value for money, and their government isn't wasting money. Whether procurement regulations actually prevent governments wasting taxpayers' money is another matter...


Are you saying kylin is only being used by chinese civil servants?



No. I'm saying that the statement "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations" means that Kylin is OK for Chinese civil servants to use. And, implicitly, if we're not employees of the PRC government we don't need to care about the statement in the slightest.


If I was chinese I should get the regular Ubuntu, and not the kylin version then?



Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: panju1 on October 20, 2015, 05:47:25 PM

What about the source code running on all those IBM computers. Can you examine theirs too? Can the people of china, not the politburo, see what their government do with IBM?

Open source? Check out Ubuntu kylin, especially developed to be "compatible" with the chinese politburo...

I did look up Ubuntu Kylin.
The website says "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations".
What the hell would procurement regulations have to do with software? If I were a Chinese, I would just go ahead and use the normal version of Ubuntu. Not much that the government can do, right?

If you were Chinese the Chinese Government procurement regulations wouldn't apply to you unless you worked for the Government. ;) Most governments have procurement regulations, so taxpayers can be assured that they're getting value for money, and their government isn't wasting money. Whether procurement regulations actually prevent governments wasting taxpayers' money is another matter...

Wasting taxpayers' money?
Ubuntu is open source and hence free, right? Where does taxpayers' money come in?


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: LMGTFY on October 20, 2015, 05:50:59 PM
No. I'm saying that the statement "complies with the Chinese Government procurement regulations" means that Kylin is OK for Chinese civil servants to use. And, implicitly, if we're not employees of the PRC government we don't need to care about the statement in the slightest.


If I was chinese I should get the regular Ubuntu, and not the kylin version then?



Assuming you're not (a) an employee of the state and (b) at work, then you could presumably use whatever you wanted. Ubuntu, Debian, any other Linux distro, there are Apple stores in China, the BSDs are downloadable, etc!


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: LMGTFY on October 20, 2015, 05:53:52 PM
Wasting taxpayers' money?
Ubuntu is open source and hence free, right? Where does taxpayers' money come in?

Support and training are the usual costs associated with free/open source software. (Obviously with proprietary software too, but purchase costs are more obvious).


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: panju1 on October 20, 2015, 06:02:24 PM
Wasting taxpayers' money?
Ubuntu is open source and hence free, right? Where does taxpayers' money come in?

Support and training are the usual costs associated with free/open source software. (Obviously with proprietary software too, but purchase costs are more obvious).

If it was Chinese government employees, they needn't even justify decisions using procurement regulations.
They can just say that it was a decision which was made.


Title: Re: China asks world to impose 'code of conduct' on Internet
Post by: LMGTFY on October 20, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
Wasting taxpayers' money?
Ubuntu is open source and hence free, right? Where does taxpayers' money come in?

Support and training are the usual costs associated with free/open source software. (Obviously with proprietary software too, but purchase costs are more obvious).

If it was Chinese government employees, they needn't even justify decisions using procurement regulations.
They can just say that it was a decision which was made.

You may be right: "Whether procurement regulations actually prevent governments wasting taxpayers' money is another matter..."