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Title: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 26, 2012, 02:42:58 AM Greetings World :)
A few days after I began to mine with my new MSI R7870, I began to wonder if downclocking the gpu's memory is really as safe as it seems. So I started a thread asking that question on the MSI forum and for whatever reason I got jumped by some all knowing moderator and his/her sidekick. They could not, or would not, comprehend anything I had to say about my experiences with the downclocked memory and how it improved the system's overall mining performance. The mod then banned me for 3 days after reading my pm, complaining about my thread being locked. http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162703.0 Was this treatment politically motivated or did I bruise someone's fragile ego ? pEACe Amenstop a.k.a. Hippie Tech Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: jojo69 on October 26, 2012, 03:20:07 AM bitcoin is a scam dude...didn't you know?
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: corvaxmuzzy on October 26, 2012, 03:52:59 AM "There is no confusion like the confusion of a simple mind..."
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Gabi on October 26, 2012, 05:42:57 AM Wow, that forum sucks. So much fail
Quote This thread will be locked. Mind your words next time or we have to take further action Lolwut? You post some screenshots and explain things and the reply is this??And what they say is false, reducing memory clock here lower my GPU temperature a lot->i can overclock it more or keep the same overclock with a lower temperature. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 26, 2012, 07:43:08 AM bitcoin is a scam dude...didn't you know? Nooooooo !! xD Plz don't say that. I just made my first whole bitcoin. ahahah "There is no confusion like the confusion of a simple mind..." I made that noooberous quote up on the spot. Do you think that did it ? ::) Wow, that forum sucks. So much fail Quote This thread will be locked. Mind your words next time or we have to take further action Lolwut? You post some screenshots and explain things and the reply is this??And what they say is false, reducing memory clock here lower my GPU temperature a lot->i can overclock it more or keep the same overclock with a lower temperature. I am as dumbfounded as you are. They never looked it up and even tried to misrepresent what I had said and what the screenies were showing. Unless MSI and/or it's forum apologizes for allowing that kind of behaviour, I will not be posting again there any time soon. Or... a second or third R7870 will help to ease my pain. :p Please know that I am not here to bash MSI or its products. The R7870 TFIII is a powerhouse and judging by the STUPIDLY low temps, this MSI gpu is STUPIDLY efficient. So far, I've had it as high as 1230mhz on the core, 440 mhash/s, stock 1.218v. and +5% Power limit. wooot wooot ! pEACe all Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: jojo69 on October 26, 2012, 05:00:08 PM One hears all this bla bla about how the internet is so "democratic". It is bullshit. It is lord of the flies out here.
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: kwoody on October 27, 2012, 09:13:17 AM "flobelix" is an idiotic feeble minded twat. Underclocking video memory most certainly does lower overall card temperatures. You should seek out the global moderator of that forum, and have his moderator status revoked for not knowing what the fuck he's talking about.
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 27, 2012, 03:24:20 PM One hears all this bla bla about how the internet is so "democratic". It is bullshit. It is lord of the flies out here. Thats the 3rd time that has happened to me in 2.5 years. Amd game > Sapphire > Msi forums... The Sapphire mod was a real nut. "flobelix" is an Hi kwoody. Thanks for the response and plz mind your language the next time. Lets keep this civil. :p pEACe Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 27, 2012, 03:31:40 PM Your flag is upside down.
MSI has great customer service in Canada... turn around time on motherboard replacement is like 3 days... Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 28, 2012, 02:13:58 AM Your flag is upside down. MSI has great customer service in Canada... turn around time on motherboard replacement is like 3 days... My flag is upside down because I am not proud of my country. How many will your country enslave, occupy and bomb today ? We're a nation of drunken wannabe porn star prescription junkies. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: kwoody on October 28, 2012, 02:37:58 AM One hears all this bla bla about how the internet is so "democratic". It is bullshit. It is lord of the flies out here. Thats the 3rd time that has happened to me in 2.5 years. Amd game > Sapphire > Msi forums... The Sapphire mod was a real nut. "flobelix" is an Hi kwoody. Thanks for the response and plz mind your language the next time. Lets keep this civil. :p pEACe Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 28, 2012, 02:21:21 PM Your flag is upside down. MSI has great customer service in Canada... turn around time on motherboard replacement is like 3 days... My flag is upside down because I am not proud of my country. How many will your country enslave, occupy and bomb today ? We're a nation of drunken wannabe porn star prescription junkies. We are? hmmm Not sure what Canada you live in....... I guess I live in my own little world.... Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 28, 2012, 02:24:45 PM @ kwoody
If your 'model' includes repeating the past's mistakes, then yes, force and hostility are quite effective at that. Your flag is upside down. MSI has great customer service in Canada... turn around time on motherboard replacement is like 3 days... My flag is upside down because I am not proud of my country. How many will your country enslave, occupy and bomb today ? We're a nation of drunken wannabe porn star prescription junkies. We are? hmmm Not sure what Canada you live in....... I guess I live in my own little world.... [/quote] Open your eyes and look around. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 28, 2012, 02:28:19 PM If your 'model' includes repeating the past's mistakes, then yes, force and hostility are quite effective at that. Well I think our current government is a joke yes.... any other government we'll end up with, will be the same as the previous........ Any government will continue to do what the large corporations want them to do. Ever watch the show Continuum? a lot of truth in that nifty Sci-fi show. :) Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 28, 2012, 02:38:31 PM If your 'model' includes repeating the past's mistakes, then yes, force and hostility are quite effective at that. Well I think our current government is a joke yes.... any other government we'll end up with, will be the same as the previous........ Any government will continue to do what the large corporations want them to do. Ever watch the show Continuum? a lot of truth in that nifty Sci-fi show. :) Can you tell I can't seem to figure out this multi quote system ? lol The constant here is, the top down mentality. We need to stop voting, paying our taxes.. just boycott them all. Plz say NO to tv. xD Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 28, 2012, 03:03:02 PM oh fine.. No TV.. fine ... I'll download all my shows off of usenet.
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: lophie on October 28, 2012, 03:30:26 PM care to share numbers? More heat is better for the upcoming winter :D, but afterwards such info could be useful.
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 28, 2012, 03:39:04 PM care to share numbers? More heat is better for the upcoming winter :D, but afterwards such info could be useful. oh fine.. No TV.. fine ... I'll download all my shows off of usenet. If your 'model' includes repeating the past's mistakes, then yes, force and hostility are quite effective at that. Well I think our current government is a joke yes.... any other government we'll end up with, will be the same as the previous........ Any government will continue to do what the large corporations want them to do. Ever watch the show Continuum? a lot of truth in that nifty Sci-fi show. :) Can you tell I can't seem to figure out this multi quote system ? lol The constant here is, the top down mentality. We need to stop voting, paying our taxes.. just boycott them all. Plz say NO to tv. xD If your 'model' includes repeating the past's mistakes, then yes, force and hostility are quite effective at that. Well I think our current government is a joke yes.... any other government we'll end up with, will be the same as the previous........ Any government will continue to do what the large corporations want them to do. Ever watch the show Continuum? a lot of truth in that nifty Sci-fi show. :) Your flag is upside down. MSI has great customer service in Canada... turn around time on motherboard replacement is like 3 days... My flag is upside down because I am not proud of my country. How many will your country enslave, occupy and bomb today ? We're a nation of drunken wannabe porn star prescription junkies. We are? hmmm Not sure what Canada you live in....... I guess I live in my own little world.... bitcoin is a scam dude...didn't you know? Yes to all Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 28, 2012, 09:11:27 PM care to share numbers? More heat is better for the upcoming winter :D, but afterwards such info could be useful. What numbers ? lol Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 29, 2012, 03:06:31 PM I just learned that I met ^ IRL..... He sold me a 5830 and I burned some killer reefer with him :)
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: lophie on October 29, 2012, 03:20:55 PM care to share numbers? More heat is better for the upcoming winter :D, but afterwards such info could be useful. What numbers ? lol -_- like Memfreq before and after and heat before and after + Megahashes before and after! I certainly didn't mean how many ripe apples on a plastic tangerine tree on mars :D Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: deepceleron on October 29, 2012, 03:31:32 PM That whole thread is full of fail. They can't fathom GPGPU computing at all. OP is the only one with a coherent statement. It's likely a bunch of 14 year old Call Of Duty zitfaces. They would be completely [headexploded] by the thought of underclocking and undervolting a card to maximize it's energy efficiency per work, and aren't going to understand W ∝ V^2.
MSI: "tech support is a cost center, we'll just let dumbasses talk to each other in a forum so they don't call us". The answer is no, you aren't going to damage your card, in fact you may extend it's life by reducing electromigration. There will just be underclocks and undervoltages where the card is no longer stable. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 29, 2012, 04:09:47 PM care to share numbers? More heat is better for the upcoming winter :D, but afterwards such info could be useful. What numbers ? lol -_- like Memfreq before and after and heat before and after + Megahashes before and after! I certainly didn't mean how many ripe apples on a plastic tangerine tree on mars :D LOL.. but I like farming on Mars. xD I did the best I could with my temp guesstimates and tbh, I didn't notice if the mhash/s were affected. If it did, the +/- would have been minimal. I've gone as low as 600mhz on the memory but keep it at 750 because anything lower makes the system a little unstable when watching vids/ surfing the web. As I said in that thread, the gpu and vrm temps dropped a minimum of 5-7C. The mobo/chipset is also down 3-5C. I'm using Guiminer with the following flags.. -v -w128 -f70 http://img.techpowerup.org/121029/noob miner.jpg That whole thread is full of fail. They can't fathom GPGPU computing at all. OP is the only one with a coherent statement. It's likely a bunch of 14 year old Call Of Duty zitfaces. They would be completely [headexploded] by the thought of underclocking and undervolting a card to maximize it's energy efficiency per work, and aren't going to understand W ∝ V^2. MSI: "tech support is a cost center, we'll just let dumbasses talk to each other in a forum so they don't call us". The answer is no, you aren't going to damage your card, in fact you may extend it's life by reducing electromigration. There will just be underclocks and undervoltages where the card is no longer stable. I called tech support to complain and they didn't seem to care. At the start of the conversation I was told that the forum is run by some dudes at HQ and that the forum is 'unofficial'. ??? Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 29, 2012, 04:47:22 PM you should use cgminer instead of guiminer...
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 29, 2012, 05:22:43 PM you should use cgminer instead of guiminer... I may eventually try it but will stick with guiminer for now. Judging from the other 7870s on the comparison chart, there does not seem to be much of a difference between the two. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison#AMD_.28ATI.29 Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 29, 2012, 10:56:32 PM Stability, functionality :)
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 30, 2012, 12:02:02 AM Ok.. ok.. AndrewBUD, as soon as the internet is hooked up, I'll try cg out on my dad's rig with his hobbled GTX 460se. :p
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 30, 2012, 12:03:02 AM cgminer wont work with nvidia card.....
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 30, 2012, 04:17:38 AM cgminer wont work with nvidia card..... I'm the biggest BTC noooob ! ;D I mean.. learning is FUN ! 8) Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: philips on October 30, 2012, 04:41:06 AM cgminer wont work with nvidia card..... It does but you will get only something like 60Mh/s or less, totally worthless. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 30, 2012, 05:08:28 AM cgminer wont work with nvidia card..... It does but you will get only something like 60Mh/s or less, totally worthless. Regardless, I know once he sees it going and understands BTC a bit more, he'll want to invest in a better gpu. As if his email box isn't overkill enough, I'm going to recommend a 7850 and set it in solo mode for a while and hope his beginners luck pays off once more. ahha pEACe Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 30, 2012, 07:24:39 PM cgminer wont work with nvidia card..... I'm the biggest BTC noooob ! ;D I mean.. learning is FUN ! 8) Well.. I had no idea about bitcoin mining when I met you..... You mentioned it a bit.....About a week later I got in to it and it becomes very addictive..... Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 30, 2012, 07:25:48 PM cgminer wont work with nvidia card..... It does but you will get only something like 60Mh/s or less, totally worthless. Regardless, I know once he sees it going and understands BTC a bit more, he'll want to invest in a better gpu. As if his email box isn't overkill enough, I'm going to recommend a 7850 and set it in solo mode for a while and hope his beginners luck pays off once more. ahha pEACe You;re going to Solomine bitcoins with a single 7850? You crazy..... Might as well do PPS and get something out of it.... Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 31, 2012, 02:02:21 AM cgminer wont work with nvidia card..... It does but you will get only something like 60Mh/s or less, totally worthless. Regardless, I know once he sees it going and understands BTC a bit more, he'll want to invest in a better gpu. As if his email box isn't overkill enough, I'm going to recommend a 7850 and set it in solo mode for a while and hope his beginners luck pays off once more. ahha pEACe You;re going to Solomine bitcoins with a single 7850? You crazy..... Might as well do PPS and get something out of it.... Crazy ? Don't mind if I dooo ! :o Or do you mean "I just bought an Asus ST990fx" crazy ? :P If the days of gpu mining are numbered as some say they are, then one found block is all that is needed to cover the initial $550 cost of the build. The resale value of a 7850, or better, htpc would easily cover the cost of the gpu. I'm running my 7870, 70-80% pool, 20-30% solo... pEACe Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 31, 2012, 12:45:41 PM ^ I still don't understand...
You will not solve a block on your own with a single GPU.... (am I wrong here?) Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 31, 2012, 08:24:02 PM ^ I still don't understand... You will not solve a block on your own with a single GPU.... (am I wrong here?) It either will or it won't happen. 50 / 50 :D edit The new mobo freakin rocks, btw. :) Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 31, 2012, 09:12:04 PM I would like cheap 3450 shipped to me.... Next time I come to your area we'll go for a killer moutain bike ride and burnt a few every hour :)
Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: AndrewBUD on October 31, 2012, 09:28:09 PM you should use cgminer instead of guiminer... I may eventually try it but will stick with guiminer for now. Judging from the other 7870s on the comparison chart, there does not seem to be much of a difference between the two. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison#AMD_.28ATI.29 Well i WILL OFFER TO WALK THROUGH THE ENTIRE SET UP FORGETTING CGMINER WORKIGN PROPERLY if you tell me what gpu's pool and such I can do the cgminer.conf file for to get thing started instead o using the cgcrappy guimer it's so limited.. has rate sucks, all these extras yoir reqiored to overclock it a just problem if you want with gettin Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Lethn on October 31, 2012, 10:06:36 PM I know bugger all about overclocking or anything like that ( hardware and programming just isn't my thing ) but when it comes to these 'official' and corporate boards don't worry if you get banned, you can honestly get banned off them by accident, especially they're trying to satisfy parents who are scared of the internet but won't parent their own children.
I once got banned off SOE's forum for calling someone an imbecile :D.... Or it might have been a moron >_> anyway. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 31, 2012, 10:11:23 PM Ya shoot .. I'm in BTCmine..
Is this why my accecpted rate goes varies from 300-380ish .. up and down.. regularly. I prefer to let AB handle the oc, btw... Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on October 31, 2012, 10:16:00 PM I know bugger all about overclocking or anything like that ( hardware and programming just isn't my thing ) but when it comes to these 'official' and corporate boards don't worry if you get banned, you can honestly get banned off them by accident, especially they're trying to satisfy parents who are scared of the internet but won't parent their own children. I once got banned off SOE's forum for calling someone an imbecile :D.... Or it might have been a moron >_> anyway. Well.. I was never rude and you can't consider the odd word in ALL CAPS yelling. I was EMPHASISING. lmao Some mods just think they know it all and can't stand being shown up by a self taught nooob. pEACe Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: philips on October 31, 2012, 10:20:10 PM Ya shoot .. I'm in BTCmine.. Is this why my accecpted rate goes varies from 300-380ish .. up and down.. regualarly. Never used BTCmine but I assume that like other pools is using a certain interval of time to approximate your hashrate. Try to increase (in your account settings) that interval if possible to obtain a greater precision. Title: Re: Some fun and not so fun times at the MSI forum Post by: Hippie Tech on November 03, 2012, 05:55:44 PM Ever since I emailed support about it, I'm now getting 360 - 430+ lol.. woot
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