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Title: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 01, 2012, 12:39:29 PM
Hello,
I am currently working as a freelancer and project manager on other projects and making some money but I have my own bitcoin casino and the skills to finish it, I am looking for people who are ready to collaborate or invest in my project as I believe it has great potential, PM me your Skype so we can discuss this more in depth.
Regards, Max.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: Lethn on November 01, 2012, 12:47:15 PM
Why not try crowdfunding? A lot of developers etc. are going for that now instead of dealing with publishers or investors, if it's a good idea you should get attention anyway.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 01, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Crowd funding is for disaster relief not investing into a casino, I wouldn't like all out company secrets to be handed out to the masses.

Plus it's thousands of dollars and not HUGE amount and seems like a lot wiser investment than opening a clothing store or something, of course mutual trust is very important so all the personal information is exchanged.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: Lethn on November 01, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
http://www.ironsky.net/site/support/finance/

http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen/


Just saying :D


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 01, 2012, 04:16:02 PM
http://www.ironsky.net/site/support/finance/

http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen/


Just saying :D

I must admit it did get my interest but it isn't really meant for this project.

Would you donate to a bitcoin casino/currency exchange? (you will be able to buy bitcoins almost instantly)


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: BurtW on November 01, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Would you donate to a bitcoin casino/currency exchange? (you will be able to buy bitcoins almost instantly)

Please explain.  Buy instantly using what form(s) of fiat money?


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 01, 2012, 05:30:40 PM
Would you donate to a bitcoin casino/currency exchange? (you will be able to buy bitcoins almost instantly)

Please explain.  Buy instantly using what form(s) of fiat money?
Paypal at first, maybe more options will be available for various amounts of bitcoins later.

The website look I am aiming for is pretty much "for dummies", anyone should be able to purchase coins and play, Poker will be free or almost free, I want to aim for 100% return rate and only charge on exchanges. As anonymity is also a priority I want to aim for 1-2 investors max, people shouldn't know how much coins are exchanged or how many people visit our site.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: BitcoinINV on November 01, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
I might be able to help you sell coins on your site fast, message me if you like I think we could help each other out.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: Vod on November 01, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
Paypal at first, maybe more options will be available for various amounts of bitcoins later.

Bad bad idea.  People will buy bitcoins with paypal - you will transfer the coins - and then people will dispute the transaction on paypal and get their money back, leaving with you nothing.

Paypal always sides against bitcoin.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 01, 2012, 06:03:03 PM
Paypal at first, maybe more options will be available for various amounts of bitcoins later.

Bad bad idea.  People will buy bitcoins with paypal - you will transfer the coins - and then people will dispute the transaction on paypal and get their money back, leaving with you nothing.

Paypal always sides against bitcoin.

We charge for casino tokens.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: BitcoinINV on November 01, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
It's not Bitcoin in general its digital goods.
I am working on a email to send you just hold tight one of processing sites is on the fritz from the hurricane.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 05, 2012, 01:13:23 PM
Still looking for investments, in my job I see a lot of requests to poker/blackjack/slots scripts, if you are interested in purchasing them I can provide.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 12, 2012, 06:37:33 PM
bump


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: MPOE-PR on November 13, 2012, 11:45:45 AM

Bad bad idea.  People will buy bitcoins with paypal - you will transfer the coins - and then people will dispute the transaction on paypal and get their money back, leaving with you nothing.

Paypal always sides against bitcoin.

Indeed. One of the many bad ideas op had. This is why new people should not be starting stuff.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 13, 2012, 09:57:51 PM

Bad bad idea.  People will buy bitcoins with paypal - you will transfer the coins - and then people will dispute the transaction on paypal and get their money back, leaving with you nothing.

Paypal always sides against bitcoin.

Indeed. One of the many bad ideas op had. This is why new people should not be starting stuff.

I already knew this before he had replied, I am not exactly "new", when I discovered bitcoins you could barely buy a pizza for 10,000btc.

As I said, the user pays for "tokens", withdrawing them from his account would be impossible until a refund will also be impossible, I am not really going to handle the payments systems but this is what I have in mind, the people who handle the payments are not related to us and the information will not be exchanged between us.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: BTCHero on November 13, 2012, 10:02:01 PM
Oh, you want to sell gambling tokens for paypal.  Much better than bitcoins.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: vite on November 14, 2012, 02:24:45 AM
Without the gambling, how is this different from virwox?
They also take paypal, cc, etc


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 14, 2012, 02:57:59 AM

I already knew this before he had replied, I am not exactly "new", when I discovered bitcoins you could barely buy a pizza for 10,000btc.

As I said, the user pays for "tokens", withdrawing them from his account would be impossible until a refund will also be impossible, I am not really going to handle the payments systems but this is what I have in mind, the people who handle the payments are not related to us and the information will not be exchanged between us.

So deposit $1,000 lose, chargeback.   Deposit $1,000 win, keep winnings.  ???
Also not sure how popular a casino would be that you can only withdraw winnings 180 days after your last deposit. 

You sure you thought this through before you anhilate your investor's capital?  Then again not your money right?


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 14, 2012, 12:15:16 PM
Without the gambling, how is this different from virwox?
They also take paypal, cc, etc

Oh, you want to sell gambling tokens for paypal.  Much better than bitcoins.

As I said it is not my job to handle the depositing methods, it is their job, if you are a potential investors contact me privately we can discuss this all together.


I already knew this before he had replied, I am not exactly "new", when I discovered bitcoins you could barely buy a pizza for 10,000btc.

As I said, the user pays for "tokens", withdrawing them from his account would be impossible until a refund will also be impossible, I am not really going to handle the payments systems but this is what I have in mind, the people who handle the payments are not related to us and the information will not be exchanged between us.

So deposit $1,000 lose, chargeback.   Deposit $1,000 win, keep winnings.  ???
Also not sure how popular a casino would be that you can only withdraw winnings 180 days after your last deposit. 

You sure you thought this through before you anhilate your investor's capital?  Then again not your money right?

You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors. This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

I mean surely if a person can design a full HTML5 poker engine with the server side (which costs 8k$, we are talking Zynga quality) is in another league than any other bitcoin casino you have today. I make a living in this business.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: BitcoinINV on November 14, 2012, 02:13:23 PM
Without the gambling, how is this different from virwox?
They also take paypal, cc, etc

Oh, you want to sell gambling tokens for paypal.  Much better than bitcoins.

As I said it is not my job to handle the depositing methods, it is their job, if you are a potential investors contact me privately we can discuss this all together.


I already knew this before he had replied, I am not exactly "new", when I discovered bitcoins you could barely buy a pizza for 10,000btc.

As I said, the user pays for "tokens", withdrawing them from his account would be impossible until a refund will also be impossible, I am not really going to handle the payments systems but this is what I have in mind, the people who handle the payments are not related to us and the information will not be exchanged between us.

So deposit $1,000 lose, chargeback.   Deposit $1,000 win, keep winnings.  ???
Also not sure how popular a casino would be that you can only withdraw winnings 180 days after your last deposit.  

You sure you thought this through before you anhilate your investor's capital?  Then again not your money right?

You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors. This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

I mean surely if a person can design a full HTML5 poker engine with the server side (which costs 8k$, we are talking Zynga quality) is in another league than any other bitcoin casino you have today. I make a living in this business.

Talking to a top business member of our community like that will not get you very far, I asked you about it in private a long time ago and what I gathered you have no idea about the accepting payment side you thought you did but you did not. Paypal does not support virtual goods/Currency or Quasi cash. This someone could use your casino for 179 days win 100k or lose 100k Then charge it all back and come out either way on top or just even, but they would never lose a dime.

https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/AcceptableUse_full&locale.x=en_US

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Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.

involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.
violate applicable laws or industry regulations regarding the sale of (a) tobacco products, or (b) prescription drugs and devices.
involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes unless the operator has obtained prior approval from PayPal and the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

You may be a great programmer yadda yadda yadda but your research side is kinda of lacking, Maybe all these people are telling you this cause they know something you don't....


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 14, 2012, 02:31:31 PM
You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors.

Yup I am a fool.  Best of luck obviously you have it all the risks figured out.

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This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

This is a false statement.  Not very professional to make false statements which may mislead your investors.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 14, 2012, 05:58:18 PM

As I said it is not my job to handle the depositing methods, it is their job, if you are a potential investors contact me privately we can discuss this all together.

You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors. This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

I mean surely if a person can design a full HTML5 poker engine with the server side (which costs 8k$, we are talking Zynga quality) is in another league than any other bitcoin casino you have today. I make a living in this business.

Talking to a top business member of our community like that will not get you very far, I asked you about it in private a long time ago and what I gathered you have no idea about the accepting payment side you thought you did but you did not. Paypal does not support virtual goods/Currency or Quasi cash. This someone could use your casino for 179 days win 100k or lose 100k Then charge it all back and come out either way on top or just even, but they would never lose a dime.

https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/AcceptableUse_full&locale.x=en_US

Quote
Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.

involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.
violate applicable laws or industry regulations regarding the sale of (a) tobacco products, or (b) prescription drugs and devices.
involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes unless the operator has obtained prior approval from PayPal and the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

You may be a great programmer yadda yadda yadda but your research side is kinda of lacking, Maybe all these people are telling you this cause they know something you don't....

Having forum reputation doesn't grant you the ability to talk down to other members of that forum.

You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors.

Yup I am a fool.  Best of luck obviously you have it all the risks figured out.

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This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

This is a false statement.  Not very professional to make false statements which may mislead your investors.

Ok let me clarify, we re-invented the concept since it might have already existed by that time in some hidden, not indexed by google page.

I knew about the risks of dealing with Paypal since day 1 and I have personally purchased coins with PayPal, rumor is that someone high up in PayPal considers bitcoin a threat, I have people who will take care of the despositing side. Essentially, it's not different than any other casino that uses PayPal as a despositing method.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 14, 2012, 06:56:01 PM
Ok let me clarify, we re-invented the concept since it might have already existed by that time in some hidden, not indexed by google page.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bitcoin+casino

So once again false statement.  Now your casino may be "better" or more popular (doubtful) but it certainly won't be first.  Not even the first one indexable by google (as dubious as that distinction might be).


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 14, 2012, 07:02:25 PM
Ok let me clarify, we re-invented the concept since it might have already existed by that time in some hidden, not indexed by google page.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bitcoin+casino

So once again false statement.  Now your casino may be "better" or more popular (doubtful) but it certainly won't be first.  Not even the first one indexable by google (as dubious as that distinction might be).

My casino already exists, and has existed for almost an year and it's not a distinction, someone might have some text based blackjack engine on the deepweb, doesn't mean he's my competitor (and I know people that do).


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 14, 2012, 07:18:25 PM
Ok let me clarify, we re-invented the concept since it might have already existed by that time in some hidden, not indexed by google page.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bitcoin+casino

So once again false statement.  Now your casino may be "better" or more popular (doubtful) but it certainly won't be first.  Not even the first one indexable by google (as dubious as that distinction might be).

My casino already exists, and has existed for almost an year and it's not a distinction, someone might have some text based blackjack engine on the deepweb, doesn't mean he's my competitor (and I know people that do).

What exactly is "deep" about the first page result of google when searching for "bitcoin" and "casino"?

Hell your willingness to blatantly lie should be a warning sign to any potential investor.  When the facts don't suit you, well you just make up your own facts (which always are in your favor).  Feel free to have the last word, I won't see it.  Small people like you are simply not worth the time.  


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 14, 2012, 07:21:32 PM
Ok let me clarify, we re-invented the concept since it might have already existed by that time in some hidden, not indexed by google page.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bitcoin+casino

So once again false statement.  Now your casino may be "better" or more popular (doubtful) but it certainly won't be first.  Not even the first one indexable by google (as dubious as that distinction might be).

My casino already exists, and has existed for almost an year and it's not a distinction, someone might have some text based blackjack engine on the deepweb, doesn't mean he's my competitor (and I know people that do).

What exactly is "deep" about the first page result of google when searching for "bitcoin" and "casino"?

Hell your willingness to blatantly lie should be a warning sign to any potential investor.  When the facts don't suit you, well you just make up your own facts (which always are in your favor).  Feel free to have the last word, I won't see it.  Small people like you are simply not worth the time.  

What last word? I just proved you wrong in my last reply.

I guess you can't move forward in life without someone hating on you from the back, haters gonna hate.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: MPOE-PR on November 15, 2012, 03:30:36 PM
You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors.

Yup I am a fool.  Best of luck obviously you have it all the risks figured out.

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This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

This is a false statement.  Not very professional to make false statements which may mislead your investors.

I lolled.

madmadmax, seriously, lay off. You're absolutely nobody. We have seen nobodies exactly like you thinking they're great because... welll... yeah. And they can do anything. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM) There's currently one re-opening the Bitcoinica code with even less competence that the original team, there's an abundance. In fact, we see them at the rate of about five a week.

And you know what? They all say the same exact thing, which is: a bunch of stupid shit from which anyone with half a year's business experience can easily identify they've never done jack shit in their life, with claims of actual experience piled on top so as to not miss the opportunity to paint themselves as liars in the same trip (yes, falsely stating you have experience you don't already makes you a liar, which means your "business" already failed).

Seriously, lay off.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 18, 2012, 09:02:10 PM
You sir are a fool, I have put so much into this and ready to put even more, I will personally invest twice the amount of the investors.

Yup I am a fool.  Best of luck obviously you have it all the risks figured out.

Quote
This is the first bitcoin casino on the internet, I work with professional people everyday, we aren't a bunch of hacks like your 16 year old friends.

This is a false statement.  Not very professional to make false statements which may mislead your investors.

I lolled.

madmadmax, seriously, lay off. You're absolutely nobody. We have seen nobodies exactly like you thinking they're great because... welll... yeah. And they can do anything. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM) There's currently one re-opening the Bitcoinica code with even less competence that the original team, there's an abundance. In fact, we see them at the rate of about five a week.

And you know what? They all say the same exact thing, which is: a bunch of stupid shit from which anyone with half a year's business experience can easily identify they've never done jack shit in their life, with claims of actual experience piled on top so as to not miss the opportunity to paint themselves as liars in the same trip (yes, falsely stating you have experience you don't already makes you a liar, which means your "business" already failed).

Seriously, lay off.

Just shows how pissed you are without even knowing the URL of my site or the date of when my domain was registered, maybe it was registered in 2003? How would you know? When I opened a bitcoin casino I went to google beforehand and googled the words "bitcoin casino" and guess how many results (relevant ones)? 0. Now after mine opened there are dozens sure, must have been creepin in the depths of the internet waiting for someone else to think of the same concept.

You don't know me or the people I get to work with on a daily basis, a mere forum dwelling plebian at best. Your inability to express your emotions eloquently shows how inexperienced you are in business.

I'll have fries with that, Thanks!  ;)


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: MPOE-PR on November 19, 2012, 11:39:06 AM
You don't know me or the people I get to work with on a daily basis, a mere forum dwelling plebian at best.

You say that as if it's my problem.

Your inability to express your emotions eloquently shows how inexperienced you are in business.

That's cute. It may come as a shock to you, but other than the play-pretend literary endeavor of imaginary forum "business" there's a different, actual thing which is about money, not about expressing emotions. Sorry to be the harbinger of shocking news.

Once you're done talking out of line read this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0).


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 19, 2012, 01:47:13 PM
You don't know me or the people I get to work with on a daily basis, a mere forum dwelling plebian at best.

You say that as if it's my problem.

Your inability to express your emotions eloquently shows how inexperienced you are in business.

That's cute. It may come as a shock to you, but other than the play-pretend literary endeavor of imaginary forum "business" there's a different, actual thing which is about money, not about expressing emotions. Sorry to be the harbinger of shocking news.

Once you're done talking out of line read this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0).

To be successful in business you must have some basics, infrastructure if you will. For some reason you seem to think that it is ok to flame someone on an online forum yet it is wrong to come up your boss and say that to him in real life. It's basic respect, the way I treat a janitor is no different than I would treat a president.

Well thanks for your input anyways even though we aren't playing with dolls here dear. I already got the investors but I want to leave the thread open if anyone else is interested.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: greyhawk on November 19, 2012, 02:10:03 PM
full HTML5 poker engine with the server side (which costs 8k$, we are talking Zynga quality)


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, boy. For 8000$ an auditor wouldn't even LOOK at your code.

I've gotta talk to Zynga and tell them I've found a fool willing to do their coding for a single percentile fraction of their cost.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 19, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
full HTML5 poker engine with the server side (which costs 8k$, we are talking Zynga quality)


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, boy. For 8000$ an auditor wouldn't even LOOK at your code.

I've gotta talk to Zynga and tell them I've found a fool willing to do their coding for a single percentile fraction of their cost.

I know, this is the reason investing is so profitable. Since I make a living in this business and I take in orders to make all kinds of HTML5/server projects (including casino related) we can salvage some premium code and I can personally guarantee the projects delivery. It's the kind of caliber no other bitcoin casino posses or will ever posses, currently I can count the number of bitcoin casinos with functional poker on one hand and all of them are generic china quality engines.

We will still have to debug everything carefully though.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: rini17 on November 19, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Hello,
I am currently working as a freelancer and project manager on other projects and making some money but I have my own bitcoin casino and the skills to finish it, I am looking for people who are ready to collaborate or invest in my project as I believe it has great potential, PM me your Skype so we can discuss this more in depth.
Regards, Max.
If I understand the bolded text correctly, what does stop you to finish some public alpha/beta and then seek investors? Or at least show your portfolio. I guess you have neither and I'm just wasting my time here.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 19, 2012, 08:44:05 PM
Hello,
I am currently working as a freelancer and project manager on other projects and making some money but I have my own bitcoin casino and the skills to finish it, I am looking for people who are ready to collaborate or invest in my project as I believe it has great potential, PM me your Skype so we can discuss this more in depth.
Regards, Max.
If I understand the bolded text correctly, what does stop you to finish some public alpha/beta and then seek investors? Or at least show your portfolio. I guess you have neither and I'm just wasting my time here.

I have a portofolio, I just don't want to "tie" this account to my business accounts so I am not posting such information on a public forum. I am still ready to send a link to potential investors in private.


Title: Re: Looking for investors
Post by: madmadmax on November 24, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
Currently my biggest investor is my competitor so I am looking for new investors, shoot me a PM if interested.