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Title: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: HostFat on October 27, 2015, 10:36:44 PM https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3qgpsc/censorship_at_bitcoindev/
Quote Gavin Andresen's post got censored "moderated" @ bitcoin-dev mailing list. New censorship "moderation" rules were posted here => "http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-October/011591.html" Blocked emails here => https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev-moderation/2015-October/date.html Gavin's rejected/blocked/censored email here => https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev-moderation/2015-October/000006.html and here => https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev-moderation/attachments/20151027/3bd0a0af/attachment.mht Rejoice bitcoin enthusiast, our new Blockstream masters and puppets have taken over bitcoin-dev! I think that it will not go very well ::) Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: emelac on October 27, 2015, 10:47:55 PM Moderation there's an awful idea, and it's been badly implemented. The moderation rules say posts about moderation concerns are generally discouraged, and the moderation trial will last 3 months before an unmoderated discussion about it will be permitted. Who decided the people that get moderation power, and why were those individuals selected?
Quote Moderation will last 3 months. Then we'll have an unmoderated on-list discussion as to whether it should continue, or change. Quote - Moderation rules: ... - Generally discouraged: shower thoughts, wild speculation, jokes, +1s, non-technical bitcoin issues, rehashing settled topics without new data, moderation concerns. Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: Lauda on October 27, 2015, 10:54:13 PM How come is it that every time someone breaks a rule, and the other entity acts accordingly they get called out for censorship? What is the matter with you people? Even though I do not support the current moderation policy on the mailing list, it seems like people have started running and screaming "censorship" for whatever random reason. What's also interesting I that I don't recall much of this "censorship" nonsense before the XT popped up.
Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: HostFat on October 27, 2015, 10:57:48 PM Ok, it isn't censorship, so we can try to find some other words, I agree ::)
"pre-moderation" ? Than, what do you think about this "pre-moderation"? What are the reasons of this change? Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: Quickseller on October 27, 2015, 11:01:02 PM How come is it that every time someone breaks a rule, The "rule" that was broken was actually something that was "discouraged". Also the portion of the message that "broke" the "rule" was only ~1 line of the post and there were several paragraphs of content that clearly does not violate any moderation guidelines. Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: Lauda on October 27, 2015, 11:05:11 PM The "rule" that was broken was actually something that was "discouraged". Also the portion of the message that "broke" the "rule" was only ~1 line of the post and there were several paragraphs of content that clearly does not violate any moderation guidelines. I was talking about it in general, not in this particular case. I've already stated that I'm not fond of this moderation policy over there."pre-moderation" ? That's a good question. I haven't had enough time to keep track of the mailing list closely, but I'm assuming that it was going a tad off topic (away from the general idea of the mailing list, i.e. proper discussions). Than, what do you think about this "pre-moderation"? What are the reasons of this change? Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: dothebeats on October 27, 2015, 11:08:25 PM You know that when moderation occurs, it wouldn't go very well. ::) Also I think moderation and censorship are two different words in context. I wonder why when someone moderates something, people shouts censorship albeit what happened isn't even close to that. Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: neurotypical on October 27, 2015, 11:36:41 PM I wouldn't like the need to moderate anything, people should feel free to comment any views they want on Bitcoin. I don't like the fact that some people, for some bizarre reason find good the idea of centralizing nodes with the Bitcoin XT mess, but they should be free to speak. Of course, the line from free speech to trolling is a fine one.
Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: Meuh6879 on October 27, 2015, 11:36:58 PM developping software don't work ... on forum thread, usually.
and developping highly P2P software need somes ... global vision but cosmetics functions to balance the users. XT is like that (cosmetics functions like MOD of a master branch). I like that. Core is the master branch ... well, users can trust a port of the network and power user can use other tool, too. 1 network. many point of connexion. Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: gentlemand on October 27, 2015, 11:47:45 PM I can understand the brats on here requiring a firm hand. Over there that smacks of some pretty fucked up thinking.
Title: Re: Something is changed on bitcoin-dev ML. Post by: visual111 on October 27, 2015, 11:49:31 PM The politics that have emerged from Bitcoin are concerning, to say the least
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