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Link directly to their actual profiles and copy their usernames. It's a faff linking directly to their posts and I'm probably already aware of most of them but not going to click on all the links then back to their profile just to find out.

Well hilarious was complaining that there are lots of secondstrade spammers, so I compiled them in a list to make it easier for him. Take it in mind though that I've only included obvious spammers and that local spamming accounts are not included:

Some more secondstrade spammers:
KBH (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=505538)
BoB_MarleY   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=505777)
wildduck  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=280119) (most are one-liners, they look on topic though)
ardani332  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=389516) (nearly all posts are in games and rounds)
AFK  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=406587) (most posts in games and rounds)
salek11   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=207288) (games and rounds spam)
Luqman  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=410204) (one-liner spam)
Unread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537728) (games and rounds, serious spammer)
davids  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334139) (games and rounds serious spammer)
rio3233  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=531392) (games and rounds spammer)
Hirose UK   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538632) (games and rounds serious spammer)
Miyslovenic  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=413263) (games and rounds spammer, although makes constructive posts some times.)
Keyboard PC  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538425) (games and rounds serious spammer)
mhd japar siregar   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=275587) (games and rounds serious spammer)
fravia  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=198181) (games and rounds spammer but makes constructive posts some times)
Mrwowo  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=545189) (games and rounds spammer)
bitraine  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=547917) (not so serious games and rounds spammer)
ShowOff  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537721) (games and rounds serious spammer)
Furious 7  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=537726) (games and rounds serious spammer)
SerenaL  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=53449) (although is a contructive poster, posts mostly in off-topic for sig payment)
Kayla  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=534057) (games and rounds+ micro earnings spammer, writes the same thing rephrased in micro earnings thread)
Christyfrazier  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=455454) (off-topic spammer, although posts constructive posts frequently)
beepboopbeep  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=260747) (off-topic spammer)
Kanapka  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=360830) (games and rounds+ one liner spammer)
Republikcoin.com   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=470478) (games and rounds serious spammer)
mammusu  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=428636) (games and rounds serious spammer)
cokkapaga  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=428630) (games and rounds serious spammer)
afidwildan  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=374315) (games and rounds serious spammer)
Mallampue  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=455957) (games and rounds serious spammer)
Compa  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=455987) (games and rounds serious spammer)
Karpeles  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=360819) (games and rounds serious spammer)
syafuandi  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=287776) (games and rounds serious spammer)
Maloppo  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=458885) (games and rounds spammer)
zhuravskij3  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539685) (games and rounds spammer)

These are the spammers that I feel should be dealt with, from the 193 participant in secondstrade campaign.
Thanks for taking you time to have a look at this thread

Link directly to their actual profiles and copy their usernames. It's a faff linking directly to their posts and I'm probably already aware of most of them but not going to click on all the links then back to their profile just to find out.

Nice thread OP, but im sure most of the persons wont get banned

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539685 (games and rounds spammer)

These are the spammers that I feel should be dealt with, from the 193 participant in secondstrade campaign.
Thanks for taking you time to have a look at this thread

You're wrong. I believe those accounts are subject to a ban regarding insubtantial posting + signature ads. I don't think they are allowed to post shits around and get paid for it.

Seems he just kicked them all off but most people will probably just move to yobit now. The majority of users on both campaigns either need kicking or banning though.

This list is not correct I'm not broke but I was expelled from the signature company second trade because they decided that I was a spammer. See my post and argues its decision https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539685;sa=showPosts  Where I broke the rules? (No spam, flaming, single word (or image), short sentence,  bump, “me too”, “thanks”) where there are pots which indicate that?

This list is not correct I'm not broke but I was expelled from the signature company second trade because they decided that I was a spammer. See my post and argues its decision https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539685;sa=showPosts  Where I broke the rules? (No spam, flaming, single word (or image), short sentence,  bump, “me too”, “thanks”) where there are pots which indicate that?

I have offered my opinion about why I considered you to be spamming, i.e spamming games and rounds. And removing you from campaign is not something that is in my control, they may have decided you were posting in local board too often.

B oбщeм кaк oбычнo. Xoтeли кaк лyчшe a пoлyчилocь кaк вceгдa)) Why did you choose these people? You are sure to voey correctness?

They are spamming Games and Rounds which is insustantial post, I don't care what posts the campaign counts, and I'm getting a feeling you won't understand my post at all.

I believe that you are incompetent in their judgments I manager is lazy. I would put the question of reducing the trust and confidence in you and the manager but I think you did not understand)))

Well then I am doing the manager a favor by showing them who are the worst of spammers. Use someone who speaks the same language as you and ask him to translate it better cuz the Google translating that you are doing is really incomprehensible.

Well then I am doing the manager a favor by showing them who are the worst of spammers. Use someone who speaks the same language as you and ask him to translate it better cuz the Google translating that you are doing is really incomprehensible.

In general, I believe that the level of your confidence should be lowered as well as the level of trust in a manager who used your posts as an opportunity to depart from that would control the work B oбщeм я cчитaю, чтo ypoвeнь Baшeгo дoвepия дoлжeн быть пoнижeн тaк жe кaк и ypoвeнь дoвepия мeнeджepa кoтopый иcпoльзoвaл Baши  пocты кaк вoзмoжнocть yклoнитcя oт тoгo чтo бы пpoкoнтpoлиpoвaть paбoтy

All banned for sig spam, except 3. 2 don't post anymore and don't have sigs, third is pending a deeper look.

P.S: Yobit's compiled list coming tommorow.

Where's the yobit one?  ;D. Probably got most of them already as I posted a list of nearly 100 a few days ago but feel free to post one publicly. Maybe naming and shaming them might do some good.

Yeah was thinking about it, but its just too huge, gonna take off a lot of my free time.

Off topic is not paid by secondstrade

If someone is posting in off topic with their signatures, surely is not for payment

I'm so tempted to believe you, but no they do pay for any post, just have a look at their "Non-constructive" column(doc sheet), and let me know when it has some value entered in it.
Edit: So yeah in a way its the camp manager's fault as well

Another secondstrade spammer, seems newly joined so I missed him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=522370

Just thinking out loud, feel free to ignore this.

Not that I like spam very much, but can we take a second and think about this witch hunt?

A post in games and rounds can hardly be constructive, same goes for many threads in off topic. Are those actually a problem though? Who visits the "what did you drink today?" thread and expects a discussion? Who visists a giveaway thread and is offened by people posting what is needed to claim the reward instead of long paragraphs of thought out ideas? We dont want spam where its annoying and distracting, where it hinders discussions, where it might even be dangerous (e.g. bullshit advice in tech support). Yes, it is sad if a thread that had potential dumbs down to mere examples, lists or opinions without substance, so shallow no one can reply. If the posts are not removed though, is the ban a solution?

I dont know the answers, but I hope you BadBear (and anyone else currently handing out bans) think about this as well. I have never seen you give out a ban towards a spammer that was undeserved or if it happened I dont remember it.

I do agree that sig spam is a problem, but punishing/banning people isn't really working, there's too much of it, and eventually too many people are going to end up banned. It's all we can do right now though.

Only viable long term option is to remove the incentive to spam

Just thinking out loud, feel free to ignore this.
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Just thinking out loud, feel free to ignore this.

Not that I like spam very much, but can we take a second and think about this witch hunt?

A post in games and rounds can hardly be constructive, same goes for many threads in off topic. Are those actually a problem though? Who visits the "what did you drink today?" thread and expects a discussion? Who visists a giveaway thread and is offened by people posting what is needed to claim the reward instead of long paragraphs of thought out ideas? We dont want spam where its annoying and distracting, where it hinders discussions, where it might even be dangerous (e.g. bullshit advice in tech support). Yes, it is sad if a thread that had potential dumbs down to mere examples, lists or opinions without substance, so shallow no one can reply. If the posts are not removed though, is the ban a solution?

I dont know the answers, but I hope you BadBear (and anyone else currently handing out bans) think about this as well. I have never seen you give out a ban towards a spammer that was undeserved or if it happened I dont remember it.

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The mass banning may serve as a reminder for others to not spam, be it any thread.

Spam is spam regardless of the perception of a single user or a multiple users. Regardless of how many view the thread or what they expect, that does not change the fact that the posts there are being made solely because of the signature campaign.
Essentially campaign X is paying Z amount of users to spam.

However, I do value your input and I have not thought about it like that. Trust me, I was banned before (remember #scandal).

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If it was up to me, we would not be having those daily threads/predictions and whatnot (at least not for participants of signature campaigns).

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At the end of the day it's up to the users if they want to compile lists here and we're not going to stop them. I'm usually not a fan of witch-hunts either and Staff probably aren't going to post lists publicly but the spam situation has got way out of control and is at breaking point really and sometimes it takes naming and shaming for people to actually pay attention. And there's nothing wrong with making the occasional post in games and rounds or in the what did you drink today thread but when your entire post history is in there or are all like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=559799;sa=showPosts) (myeyes.jpg) it's a problem. I think the biggest issue here is the campaigns and if they didn't pay for posts in games and rounds and off topic or even just actually checked users posts to make sure they all weren't like that then people wouldn't bother making them.

Off topic is not paid by secondstrade

If someone is posting in off topic with their signatures, surely is not for payment

...or are all like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=559799;sa=showPosts) (myeyes.jpg) it's a problem. ...

I get why you made the threads and I applaud the energy you put into this. The last ban wave did nothing to remove spam from the forum though. See the BadBear quote, punishment is not working. Punishment never works, it will only lead to better hidden misbehaviour.

It might be time to get rid of the cookie jar entirely instead of smacking on the hands of the greedy.

Wow, best formatting 2015. Still this is harmless spam its not destorying a discussion. Its shit in the toilet. I also agree that campaigns and their managers should not pay someone for this as its the easiest and most effective way to remove the cookie jar. How to get them into the boat though. I would think it is also in their interest to filter these users.

A guy posting like that deserve a ban but what I don't understand is why staff don't remove their first spammy posts?

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Sometimes we do remove their posts (though it is time consuming to remove them one-by-one unless we nuke them) and I have removed a few of his but at the same time if I delete all his crappy ones and leave the good ones it could look like he's a good poster and nothing's wrong when we request a ban. He's banned anyway now so it's moot.

Positive reinforcement. Theymos (or someone good in his name) runs a campaign for the board in addition to usual ads. Exceptional rates (compared to other campaigns) but very strict anti spam policy. This would create a positive example for others to follow or to work towards. This is already given in a sense by other well run and high paying campaigns. It is also not unheard of that exceptional and highly active posters can negotiate special deals.

The silent treatment. A silent ban or mute. The spammer can still post normally, but somehow everyone is ignoring them. The posts are not actually shown to anyone but the person with the silent ban. Probably a technical issue as I doubt it is already implemented. Its common for video games to keep players on the server or in the game without causing further issues due to chat/mic spam. Probably not worth it, considering that its easy to check with another account or with a simple logout.

Just give them WARNING, 1st offense, 2nd offense and 3rd offense. I think that is fair enough to do their jobs in a right way. We can't let them punish earlier at least in warning they are aware to what they have done. Don't put them in early punishment they are also human who made mistake. As human also we can use warning and  1 2 3 offense to be fair.

Just give them WARNING, 1st offense, 2nd offense and 3rd offense... . Don't put them in early punishment they are also human who made mistake. As human also we can use warning and  1 2 3 offense to be fair.

i like this idea quite a bit; positive reinforcement for good behavior has its advantages in the long run over punishment (negative reinforcement) for bad behavior; psychology and stuff. The only problem i see with this is the demand to be included in this exclusive group. to maintain this exclusive campaign, appropriate amounts of manpower would be needed to constantly monitor the posts of those enrolled. not only that, with people that would constantly be requesting to be included in that group, manpower would need to be dedicated to screen those as well. to top it off, as we know, spammers are quick to adapt, and may do so just to have a chance of being enrolled in these exclusive campaigns. but then again, that would be fixing their spamming problems in a way.

"Positive reinforcement" sure is a creative way to give a good example however I don't think it's going to be happening. This would imply that the forum hires and endorses some kind of elite posters to give a good example. In a way, it would also mean that they endorse ideas that the forum should in fact keep a neutral stance on. Would this actually help free speech? Should those participants stay away from supporting controversial views? I don't think this complication would help the neutrality we've had so far here.

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As of the "silent treatment". Reddit used to have this, it was called a shadowban and was exactly what shorena described. Although the system was functional it wasn't transparent and didn't work really well. In fact they changed the banning procedure to be more transparent and "correctional" just today. https://redd.it/3sbrro

I imagine thats roughly what its like to run a good campaign, yes. Im not sure it must be an official forum run campaign. The currently well run campaigns probably serve the same purpose at least for those that see a chance to get a spot. If spammers would adept their posting to constructive Mission Fucking Accomplished[1]. Which leaves us with: how to avoid or handle campaign manager that do not care about their participants posts?

I think the price is too expensive,can you down you price,maybe someone will interest.