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I am so glad it was two states rather than just one. A single state could have been dismissed as an outlier (and it would have also been more easily targeted by the feds for retaliation). But two is a trend. (“Wait, I thought two was a coincidence and three was a trend?”) Yeah, yeah that’s the saying (*glares at Oregon*), but when the something is a first in the country’s history, I think two should qualify, don’t you? Cannabis relegalization has been recognizably inevitable for a while to anyone who was paying attention. But after last night, its inevitability is recognizable even by the people who AREN’T paying attention, i.e., the same people who are most likely to oppose reform. It’s getting very hard to ignore the fact that the wind has shifted. That’s going to trigger some cognitive reshuffling among a lot of people. No one wants to be the last person to get the joke.

Also, most conceal carry licensees make you state that you are not addicted to weed (  ::) ). If I live in these states how can I be denied a right based on my use of a legal substance? Any thoughts? 

myrkul: what do you think the feds can / will do about it?  I'm cautiously optimistic that the answer to both is "not much" - particularly when you consider the continuing stampede of public opinion.

Use ≠ addiction. Simple as that.

Sure, but that only gets them so far, and I think it will quickly become politically untenable. Good piece from Jacob Sullum over at reason:  http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/07/colorado-and-washington-have-legalized-m

The DEA can raid state-legal pot shops, as it has done with medical marijuana dispensaries, but the number of potential targets will be considerably larger once the market officially expands to include recreational users.

I totally agree. But i am using the language on the permit application. That's why I added the eye roll, lol.

The interesting thing about Colorado is that the establishments selling the MJ will be state government facilities.

So the Feds would literally be attacking the states.

This should be interesting.

Supremacy Clause will allow the Feds to do what they will. When state and federal law conflict, federal law always wins! Yeah yeah yeah, I know, I hate that also, but it is until public opinion gets so bad that the feds will have to change their laws.

I was really surprised to see the fed going after Cali's pot dispensaries recently. I think that is going to end soon. No one wants to go after pot anymore. Christ, the last three presidents were pot smokers. Do they think society would have been bettered had they been arrested? Would any of them have been elected with a drug arrest on their record?  

When you become a politician, they remove the part of your brain that detects hypocrisy.

I have said it before and I will say it again. This is how it will play out. The states will legalize marijuana and individuals and groups will put millions of dollars of capitol into building businesses in various places. It will be in the form of land, vehicles, and other assets. The fed will stand by and let this industry grow. Then from time to time the federal government will swoop in and skim off some of the cream from these businesses via federal drug seizure laws, confiscating assets, cash, and property. They will treat it as their own little piggy bank based on ambiguity between state and federal law. This is already in progress to a certain extent.

I disagree, tecshare, they may try to.  I think weed will be legal all over, within the next year.

I disagree, tecshare, they may try to.  I think weed will be legal all over, within the next year.

The Washington bill is a load of horse shit (not that the cops here really cared that people smoked even before the bill). It actually BANS people from growing it themselves and I heard (although I haven't confirmed this yet) that it approves up to a 25% tax rate on the substance.

I thought that I read that individuals could grow up to 6 plants...



They should be selling a license to grow these 6 plants and receive revenue through the permits and through taxing the product when sold through a retail establishment

Why should you need a license to grow a plant?

The Washington bill is a load of horse shit (not that the cops here really cared that people smoked even before the bill). It actually BANS people from growing it themselves and I heard (although I haven't confirmed this yet) that it approves up to a 25% tax rate on the substance.

This is the nature of all legislation -- lawmakers pretend to pass laws to increase people's freedoms and well-being, but in reality the laws do the very opposite.

Why should you need a license to grow a plant?

c. Not having to ask "mother may I" to plant a garden.

You can do that now, no problem!

I have and getting your ass raided for growing 4 plants because some piece of shit that sold you clones rats you out and tells the cops you have 400 plants and they do no work at all because this "RAT" was a golden rat in the eyes of the police and had no further investigation to do.

Had my fucking door SMASHED off the hinges..... my ass beat down by the cops to be charged with possesion under 1 gram.... You heard it right 1 fucking gram..... All i had was 4 plants growing in DWC buckets just leafs no bud... Just starting the vegging phase.....

Yup total baloney..... Now I won't grow or even hold much at my house..... gram or two max.....

c. Not having to ask "mother may I" to plant a garden.

I have said it before and I will say it again. This is how it will play out. The states will legalize marijuana and individuals and groups will put millions of dollars of capitol into building businesses in various places. It will be in the form of land, vehicles, and other assets. The fed will stand by and let this industry grow. Then from time to time the federal government will swoop in and skim off some of the cream from these businesses via federal drug seizure laws, confiscating assets, cash, and property. They will treat it as their own little piggy bank based on ambiguity between state and federal law. This is already in progress to a certain extent.

governments exist at all because having a permanent criminal class...

Seriously; perfect is the enemy of the good. 

governments exist at all because having a permanent criminal class...

...might as well make the criminal class a professional trade, amirite?