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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: EthanB on October 29, 2015, 03:10:59 AM



Title: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 29, 2015, 03:10:59 AM
What happened: Lucullus Asked for a loan of .05 with .065 Re-payment by October 20th, 2015.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=145657

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1186387.msg12497583#msg12497583

Amount Scammed: BTC.065

Payment Method: BTC

Proof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/tx/a11077b82881927fdbd691e230bef13fb2965711321f5b30e24597d47553615e

PM/Chat Logs: I let him know the loan was due and asked for an Update, he replied https://gyazo.com/3b23056f296e5ff58c47dd0992949e25
A few days later I received this message : https://gyazo.com/cb1520151a3a70c3e668581f90b71fe7
Then I received these messages : https://gyazo.com/1dfc9458deb033e2fd39308e9cd980c2

Then heard nothing until today (Wednesday) and received : https://gyazo.com/9e104fd9aafc26acdf612104efaf96d1

I sent a few replies trying to compromise and work things out : https://gyazo.com/2c0a7a3d5effe8623a598b2359ecec30  and https://gyazo.com/e0ffc4e8580d5be1d5f393633f85a065


Finally message from lucullus : https://gyazo.com/3a39e700959a411d982f6404ba3c6f24


Additional Notes: I tried to be reasonable and comrpomise as much as possible, but he is refusing to even send the amount he was claiming to have now.. So I am left no choice but to alert the community.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: lucullus on October 29, 2015, 03:21:58 AM
I feel bad about this buddy I am going to get you back just not right now I am unemployed and you want an extra seven dollars because of a btc skyrocket that I did not account for. Will keep in contact


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: amacar2 on October 29, 2015, 03:23:19 AM
Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 29, 2015, 03:25:08 AM
I feel bad about this buddy I am going to get you back just not right now I am unemployed and you want an extra seven dollars because of a btc skyrocket that I did not account for. Will keep in contact

The price did not skyrocket too dramatically honestly, and even so.. The .065 BTC repayment would be equivalent to .048 BTC even after the price jump in terms of $.
If you can provide at least that much I will remove the scam report and you can handle the remaining .017 whenever you have a chance.



Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\

I did not know he was in DT, where can I check this?


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: amacar2 on October 29, 2015, 03:36:22 AM

Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\

I did not know he was in DT, where can I check this?

He has some couple of ++ trust from those in the DT so he  has that green trust in his profile. That makes him also in the DT. You are not able to see it because currently you see an orange over ther in his trust rating because you left him a negatuve feedback.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 29, 2015, 03:42:44 AM
I see some DT members have taken it upon themselves to handle this, and I appreciate them watching out.
Hope this gets resolved.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: master-P on October 29, 2015, 03:43:26 AM

Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\

I did not know he was in DT, where can I check this?

He has some couple of ++ trust from those in the DT so he  has that green trust in his profile. That makes him also in the DT. You are not able to see it because currently you see an orange over ther in his trust rating because you left him a negatuve feedback.

No, he is not on DT unless someone on level 1 or 2 DT adds him to their trust list. Green trust does not mean he's on DT.

I've added a negative rating after OP has informed me about this situation. I hope that this will be resolved because I have dealt with lucullus before on multiple occasions and things were fine. It would be very disappointing to see him scam for such a small amount of BTC after everything.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 29, 2015, 03:47:59 AM

Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\

I did not know he was in DT, where can I check this?

He has some couple of ++ trust from those in the DT so he  has that green trust in his profile. That makes him also in the DT. You are not able to see it because currently you see an orange over ther in his trust rating because you left him a negatuve feedback.

No, he is not on DT unless someone on level 1 or 2 DT adds him to their trust list. Green trust does not mean he's on DT.

I've added a negative rating after OP has informed me about this situation. I hope that this will be resolved because I have dealt with lucullus before on multiple occasions and things were fine. It would be very disappointing to see him scam for such a small amount of BTC after everything.

This is somewhat comforting to hear at least, because if he has a history of good business than hopefully everything will get handled.
As for now I am forced to halt my loan-service to minimize loss until this matter gets resolved.

Thanks for taking notice.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: amacar2 on October 29, 2015, 03:50:24 AM

Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\

I did not know he was in DT, where can I check this?

He has some couple of ++ trust from those in the DT so he  has that green trust in his profile. That makes him also in the DT. You are not able to see it because currently you see an orange over ther in his trust rating because you left him a negatuve feedback.

No, he is not on DT unless someone on level 1 or 2 DT adds him to their trust list. Green trust does not mean he's on DT.

I've added a negative rating after OP has informed me about this situation. I hope that this will be resolved because I have dealt with lucullus before on multiple occasions and things were fine. It would be very disappointing to see him scam for such a small amount of BTC after everything.

Oh sorry about the misunderstanding. I see I haven't fully understand how the DT works. I just thought a green trust means that. Thanks for pointing that up.

EthanB disregard whatI said. Master-P has already gave him a negative rating.

Hope that this will be cleared up.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Bluto on October 29, 2015, 11:40:25 AM

Well that is some shitty reason. He loaned the BTC and therefore must pay and agree to the lenders' term.
It's odd that he is in the DT and would refuse to pay a small amount of 0.06 BTC   :-\

I did not know he was in DT, where can I check this?

He has some couple of ++ trust from those in the DT so he  has that green trust in his profile. That makes him also in the DT. You are not able to see it because currently you see an orange over ther in his trust rating because you left him a negatuve feedback.

No, he is not on DT unless someone on level 1 or 2 DT adds him to their trust list. Green trust does not mean he's on DT.

I've added a negative rating after OP has informed me about this situation. I hope that this will be resolved because I have dealt with lucullus before on multiple occasions and things were fine. It would be very disappointing to see him scam for such a small amount of BTC after everything.


Oh sorry about the misunderstanding. I see I haven't fully understand how the DT works. I just thought a green trust means that. Thanks for pointing that up.

EthanB disregard whatI said. Master-P has already gave him a negative rating.

Hope that this will be cleared up.

To check if someone is on DT, simply go here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full

Assuming your default trust level is set to 2 (the forum default), then everyone you see there is on DT.

HTH


BTW - I've seen lucculus selling a 20 dollar Amazon GC just yesterday. Not sure why he's being a whiny bitch over the price rise, that's how bitcoin works.  :P



Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 29, 2015, 12:12:40 PM
Yeah, I was a little surprised about how upset he seemed over the price change.. Saying that it almost doubled when it only realistically went up 22%. I noticed him selling that Amazon GC as well and was hoping I would see something returned to me.

He asked me for my BTC address immediately after I linked him to this thread, and has sent me nothing yet.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: zazarb on October 30, 2015, 01:10:57 AM
Ruin hero account(in next period) for $15 , very short-sighted.
and and a statement of seven dollars extra, it does not make sense.
forget dollars, you have asked loan in btc.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Bluto on October 30, 2015, 01:35:29 AM
Ruin hero account(in next period) for $15 , very short-sighted.
and and a statement of seven dollars extra, it does not make sense.
forget dollars, you have asked loan in btc.

That's what I forgot to add. what a waste.  :P


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: MbccompanyX on October 30, 2015, 07:13:24 AM
Ruin hero account(in next period) for $15 , very short-sighted.
and and a statement of seven dollars extra, it does not make sense.
forget dollars, you have asked loan in btc.

That's what I forgot to add. what a waste.  :P

I think that is a disgrace that after building something concrete on the forum (in this case a hero account), he decided to go to scamming people... Who thinks that in the future maybe will say sorry or will try to sell his account? I wouldn't be surprised that if the account gets sold the new owner paids the debt the account had


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 30, 2015, 01:06:59 PM
lucullus is now selling his account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1231953.new#new

Why even bother telling the community you're planning to pay me back if you're just blatantly lying? That really shows the character of a petty and pitiful man.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: xetsr on October 30, 2015, 01:12:37 PM
lucullus is now selling his account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1231953.new#new

Why even bother telling the community you're planning to pay me back if you're just blatantly lying? That really shows the character of a petty and pitiful man.

Is he selling the account to pay you back?


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 30, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
lucullus is now selling his account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1231953.new#new

Why even bother telling the community you're planning to pay me back if you're just blatantly lying? That really shows the character of a petty and pitiful man.

Is he selling the account to pay you back?

I have tried to contact him to ask this question and others.. He has ignored my messages even when he is online.
So I have no idea, but he is looking more and more suspicious each day.

Honestly I would've accepted the account in exchange for the re-payment and still would.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: MbccompanyX on October 30, 2015, 01:26:19 PM
lucullus is now selling his account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1231953.new#new

Why even bother telling the community you're planning to pay me back if you're just blatantly lying? That really shows the character of a petty and pitiful man.

Is he selling the account to pay you back?

I have tried to contact him to ask this question and others.. He has ignored my messages even when he is online.
So I have no idea, but he is looking more and more suspicious each day.

Honestly I would've accepted the account in exchange for the re-payment and still would.

Anyway he made the whole sell thread self-modered maybe he will delete who is gonna post all this mess on that thread, i suppose the only thing possible is wait and see what can happen next (maybe he will open a new account, who knows)


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Pro Gamers on October 30, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
lucullus is now selling his account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1231953.new#new

Why even bother telling the community you're planning to pay me back if you're just blatantly lying? That really shows the character of a petty and pitiful man.

Is he selling the account to pay you back?

If ever this is the case, will the negative trust be removed?

lucullus is now selling his account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1231953.new#new

Why even bother telling the community you're planning to pay me back if you're just blatantly lying? That really shows the character of a petty and pitiful man.

Is he selling the account to pay you back?

I have tried to contact him to ask this question and others.. He has ignored my messages even when he is online.
So I have no idea, but he is looking more and more suspicious each day.

Honestly I would've accepted the account in exchange for the re-payment and still would.

He said he is currently unemployed maybe he didn't want to run and didnt pay the loan and he is just running out of options.

Btw this is one reason why collateral is important because even a sr. Member can run out the small loaned amount.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: xetsr on October 30, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
Well, if he does sell the account you still might be paid back, just not from the original owner of the account. It may be worth it (i have no idea how much hero accounts go for) for someone to buy the account re-pay the loan themselves just to eventually get the negative trust removed or downgraded to neutral. Value should increase enough for them to resell and profit. Although the buyer would have to get the positive trust left removed so the account doesn't receive more negative feedback for trust buying.

Not looking good so that's probably the only way you're getting paid back.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: MbccompanyX on October 30, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
Well, if he does sell the account you still might be paid back, just not from the original owner of the account. It may be worth it (i have no idea how much hero accounts go for) for someone to buy the account re-pay the loan themselves just to eventually get the negative trust removed or downgraded to neutral. Value should increase enough for them to resell and profit.

Not looking good so that's probably the only way you're getting paid back.

Well if you see what i wrote before, most likely the whole sell is gonna to be for giving back at least the same ammount of money he got at first (we need to wait when it's gonna to end) or who buys it will try to restore the trust of the user.

I will quote thing i wrote before as reference

Ruin hero account(in next period) for $15 , very short-sighted.
and and a statement of seven dollars extra, it does not make sense.
forget dollars, you have asked loan in btc.

That's what I forgot to add. what a waste.  :P

I think that is a disgrace that after building something concrete on the forum (in this case a hero account), he decided to go to scamming people... Who thinks that in the future maybe will say sorry or will try to sell his account? I wouldn't be surprised that if the account gets sold the new owner paids the debt the account had


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 30, 2015, 01:33:20 PM
I would be willing to remove my negative trust whenever I am paid back by "lucullus" I don't care if it's a new owner.. I just need the money I'm owed.
Hero Accounts can easily make .05/Week just from a signature campaign... I've seen people making .2 from Sr.Member accounts in one week from signature campaigns.

Unemployed or not it would have been as easy as posting a few times in a campaign..


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: MbccompanyX on October 30, 2015, 01:37:38 PM
I would be willing to remove my negative trust whenever I am paid back by "lucullus" I don't care if it's a new owner.. I just need the money I'm owed.
Hero Accounts can easily make .05/Week just from a signature campaign... I've seen people making .2 from Sr.Member accounts in one week from signature campaigns.

Unemployed or not it would have been as easy as posting a few times in a campaign..

Well maybe you're right, consider that i'm in a signature campaign only to cover what i spend every month in game bundles and maybe in the future because there will be not so many good bundles for my steam account i will maybe trade them or give them into loans... only time will tell us what will happen to your loan anyway, i suggest you keep an eye and contact the new "lucullus" when the sale will be ended.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: xetsr on October 30, 2015, 01:39:36 PM
I would be willing to remove my negative trust whenever I am paid back by "lucullus" I don't care if it's a new owner.. I just need the money I'm owed.
Hero Accounts can easily make .05/Week just from a signature campaign... I've seen people making .2 from Sr.Member accounts in one week from signature campaigns.

Unemployed or not it would have been as easy as posting a few times in a campaign..

Buy the account if the price is right, get negative trust and positive trust removed (if the account is caught trying to buy, sell or trades goods with the previous positive feedback you would most likely receive negative trust again that will not be removed).

Might not sound right or be setting a good example but this is probably your best option right now. In the end, you should get more then what you paid for the account, the loan and interest that was due.

EDIT: Then again, you have no idea if he scammed anyone else under that account. So yeah, forget it. Take it as a lose, learn and move on if you believe he doesn't have any intention of paying you back, which is what it looks like.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 30, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
I'm sure whoever buys the account will be painfully aware of the situation and would be wise to handle it as soon as possible.
Hopefully they contact me to re-pay the debt and get the account back into good standing.

Whatever the case, I'm probably going to stop giving out loans because whenever I do somebody a favor I get fucked-over.
Lesson Learned.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: shorena on October 30, 2015, 02:57:11 PM
I'm sure whoever buys the account will be painfully aware of the situation and would be wise to handle it as soon as possible.
Hopefully they contact me to re-pay the debt and get the account back into good standing.

Whatever the case, I'm probably going to stop giving out loans because whenever I do somebody a favor I get fucked-over.
Lesson Learned.

You could insist on collateral to avoid such issues.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Quickseller on October 30, 2015, 03:59:27 PM
It would probably be advisable not to buy his account, or at least to not buy the account unless BTC is held in escrow for at least a month and it be stipulated that if any scam accusations come out prior to the month period being up that the buyer can receive a refund in full.

Although he only scammed one person publicly, it took over a month for the loan default to come to light so it would be possible that he scammed others and they have not yet come forward.

I don't think he is going to use the proceeds from the sale to repay you considering that if he were to do this he could have simply offered to sell you his account (for a discount), or offered to give it to you, or would have explicitly said that such proceeds would be used to repay you.

edit: it looks like he is also not offering any kind of signed message, so it is possible that he will come back and claim his account is hacked


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on October 30, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
Even if his account is hacked and he is a trustworthy soul, he would gladly re-pay the .065 BTC for his own personal security mistakes as it would be unfair for him to acquire his account back and not pay his dues.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: zazarb on October 30, 2015, 09:51:16 PM
Even if his account is hacked and he is a trustworthy soul, he would gladly re-pay the .065 BTC for his own personal security mistakes as it would be unfair for him to acquire his account back and not pay his dues.
I think @Quickseller  means, that maybe he specially not signed message that after sell account come back and claim his account hacked,
so in this case of conscience, let alone.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: ezeminer on November 02, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
I would be willing to remove my negative trust whenever I am paid back by "lucullus" I don't care if it's a new owner.. I just need the money I'm owed.
Hero Accounts can easily make .05/Week just from a signature campaign... I've seen people making .2 from Sr.Member accounts in one week from signature campaigns.

Unemployed or not it would have been as easy as posting a few times in a campaign..
I try to keep up to date on my trust list, I switched my trust last night to a neutral. I have done this before when I comb through my sent feedback and see someone looking a little red.

Hopefully you get your funds back. Either way with bitcoin price jumps, you should still have the decency to honor agreements you make. Its karma, and boy it can help you. I found that out today when changing a flight with United, they waived the $200 change fee.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Guiomar on November 02, 2015, 07:33:35 PM
I have no answer, thread is closed, no reply to PM. Waste of time.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on November 02, 2015, 11:13:47 PM
I have no answer, thread is closed, no reply to PM. Waste of time.

He sent me a pm saying that he is no longer selling his account. Probably a lie and was forced to do by the highest bidder via PM.
The account may be under new control these days.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Coinonomous on November 02, 2015, 11:35:24 PM
I have no answer, thread is closed, no reply to PM. Waste of time.

He sent me a pm saying that he is no longer selling his account. Probably a lie and was forced to do by the highest bidder via PM.
The account may be under new control these days.


Nah, the password has not changed.

He'll probably take a vacation then come repay you when the price is back down later.  :P


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on November 02, 2015, 11:43:44 PM
I have no answer, thread is closed, no reply to PM. Waste of time.

He sent me a pm saying that he is no longer selling his account. Probably a lie and was forced to do by the highest bidder via PM.
The account may be under new control these days.


Nah, the password has not changed.

He'll probably take a vacation then come repay you when the price is back down later.  :P

I almost feel entitled to a damn late-fee because of the inconvenience at this point; it's not going to be fair for him to dance around the forum whenever he damn well pleases and think he has the ability to remove all his negative trust for .065 BTC.

I'm going to have to enforce a late-penalty of 10% a month, the first fee being charged on 11/20/2015. Basically causing the amount to go up until I feel that I've been "paid back".. Does anybody feel that is unreasonable?


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Coinonomous on November 02, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
I have no answer, thread is closed, no reply to PM. Waste of time.

He sent me a pm saying that he is no longer selling his account. Probably a lie and was forced to do by the highest bidder via PM.
The account may be under new control these days.


Nah, the password has not changed.

He'll probably take a vacation then come repay you when the price is back down later.  :P

I almost feel entitled to a damn late-fee because of the inconvenience at this point; it's not going to be fair for him to dance around the forum whenever he damn well pleases and think he has the ability to remove all his negative trust for .065 BTC.

I'm going to have to enforce a late-penalty of 10% a month, the first fee being charged on 11/20/2015. Basically causing the amount to go up until I feel that I've been "paid back".. Does anybody feel that is unreasonable?

No, you're free to do what you want, but that doesn't mean he'll ever repay you, and he won't be nuked because technically has not broken forum rules afaik.

I just think you should let it go, it's not that big a sum really, many people here have lost a LOT more, trust me.

Also, he cant' just get his trust fixed by repaying you. Many here will not remove it, that's just how it goes.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on November 03, 2015, 12:05:04 AM
You're right, oh well.
No late-fee.
If he pays me back, then so be it and if he does not then Boo-Hoo oh well.

Karma is a powerful thing and I'm not going to linger over his weak sense of character.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on December 27, 2015, 05:58:03 PM
I would like to update everyone, and make it known that he is seemingly beginning to pay me back..
I have received .02 from Lucullus at this point and that is progress at least!


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: Bluto on December 30, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
I would like to update everyone, and make it known that he is seemingly beginning to pay me back..
I have received .02 from Lucullus at this point and that is progress at least!

Probably realized his soon hero account would be worth a bit more without the red marks lol.


Title: Re: lucullus Scammed Me
Post by: EthanB on January 26, 2016, 02:54:44 PM
It seems extremely strange that he would hit me up out of the blue to pay off BTC .02, and then go weeks without saying another word to me. This has been going on for way too long and I wish he would just be forthcoming.