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Title: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: SebastianJu on November 09, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
http://blockchain.info/blocks/82.130.102.160

An older post: http://www.bitcointrading.com/forum/talk-bitcoin/swiss-federal-institute-of-technology-zurich-is-doing-a-double-spending-attack!!/

What do you think?


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on November 09, 2012, 05:00:20 PM
Maybe they are paying for their PhD Projects by mining bitcoin. :-)


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: Akka on November 09, 2012, 05:08:15 PM
That's about the 100. Time someone found this.

They are not mining. It's the ETH Zurich running a super fast Node on their University connection (the first super node) and therefore reporting found block faster to blockchain than the miner itself.

See here the big orange dot is them: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay

Related:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113715.msg1228604#msg1228604

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121129.msg1304851#msg1304851

It actually is this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: SebastianJu on November 09, 2012, 05:41:46 PM
What do you mean they report found blocks faster than the miner? Wouldnt that mean the actual miner wouldnt get the reward?

Whats the purpose of this?


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: hxtop on November 09, 2012, 05:47:05 PM
the same question "Whats the purpose of this?"


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: Akka on November 09, 2012, 05:48:04 PM
No, blockchain assumes the miner is the IP that first transfers the block to them. So if the miner finds a block, its node transfers this block to all Nodes it is connected to and they do the same. If the miners node is directly connected to blockchain (pool nodes are very well connected) and transfers it to blockchain, then blockchain displays him as founder.

The ETHs node is connected to ~4000 other nodes and therefore it is directly connected to many miners and directly to blockchain.

So blockchain, doesn't actually know who the miner is.

Hope this explains it.

There is no purpose in doing this other than to support the Bitcoin network.


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: mc_lovin on November 09, 2012, 05:49:12 PM
ah, i see pasting a link to bitcointrading with !!!!'s in it causes the link to be flawed, dually noted!  works if you paste it in a browser.

:D


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: FreeMoney on November 09, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
What do you mean they report found blocks faster than the miner? Wouldnt that mean the actual miner wouldnt get the reward?

Whats the purpose of this?

Unless a miner decides to put someone else's address in the generate tx they will get the coins.


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: Akka on November 09, 2012, 05:56:06 PM
It's also worth to mention, that the ETH Zürich does a lot of bitcoin stuff, look at this for example:

http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/db/public/tik/fs/file.php?id=ead9e0d78fe546cfc1d6943e522e0ca5


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on November 09, 2012, 06:01:48 PM
It's also worth to mention, that the ETH Zürich does a lot of bitcoin stuff, look at this for example:

http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/db/public/tik/fs/file.php?id=ead9e0d78fe546cfc1d6943e522e0ca5

The swiss people are smart. Both politically-smart and economically-smart.
During all the wars, they held gold & other money for everybody out there, including Hitler, so nobody ever dared to attack them.

I suspect they are investigating Bitcoin and if they find it "worthy", then Swiss banks may become interested in it. Nobody will attack the Swiss, so if Swiss Bankers became an early adopter of BTC, that would create some kind of "bastion" of Bitcoin and show the world that Bitcoin is the way to go, which is kind of awesome.

OMG.... just imagine. The swiss becoming first official Bitcoin - friendly country...

I hope that this is the case.


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: SebastianJu on November 09, 2012, 07:57:51 PM
Thanks for explaination. So they only are connected to way more nodes than normal and so can notify them faster then the rest of the net if a new block came.


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: Akka on November 09, 2012, 08:09:48 PM
Thanks for explaination. So they only are connected to way more nodes than normal and so can notify them faster then the rest of the net if a new block came.

Correct. They probably also have a super fast campus internet connection.


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: kuzetsa on November 11, 2012, 08:58:25 AM
http://blockchain.info/blocks/82.130.102.160

An older post: http://www.bitcointrading.com/forum/talk-bitcoin/swiss-federal-institute-of-technology-zurich-is-doing-a-double-spending-attack!!/

What do you think?

I think... What ckolivas said on IRC:

Code:
[03:31:14] <+kuzetsa> 82.130.102.160 (the server which seems to relay our blocks)
[03:31:29] <+conman> seems to relay everyone's blocks...
[03:31:36] <+conman> it's a supernode
[03:31:58] <+kuzetsa> oh
[03:32:00] <defekt> .b 207449
[03:32:00] <@ozbot> Block #207449 not found
[03:32:35] <@Graet> what conman said :)


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: Graet on November 11, 2012, 09:12:24 AM
this again?
mods please sticky a post that says nodes that relay blocks do not neccesarily mine them?


with a little link clicking interested ppl can find out stuff
http://blockchain.info/block-index/317984/0000000000000443f825033b7db0fcb69ac4543a0efe080a358456d42b580cf8 for example
click the bd80ec90858a8f1154169731fed493adcd9521670f291c4081bf71e34eeb13bb under transactions
on the page it takes you to scroll down, look at
CoinBase
03452a03062f503253482f04c9339f5008f800002d0000029a102f6f7a636f696e2f73747261747 56d2f
(decoded) E*/P2SH/�3�P�-�/ozcoin/stratum/

it tells lots about who mined the block, most pools tag theirs now and will show that this ip is not mining all those blocks


Title: Re: Whats that? Are they trying to attack bitcoin network to show vulnerabilities?
Post by: SebastianJu on November 11, 2012, 01:41:58 PM
I searched the forum before for swiss federation and didnt found a thread. So i opened this thread here. Maybe a sticky thread only needs some matching keywords.