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Do you think signature Campaigns will still continue when btc goes  $800 ? Will the Campaigns runner will offer low price than now ?

It will not continue. When bitcoin go mainstream there is no company that is ill promote on this forum only. They will look for better way to reach out the newcoiner that just dont like forum.

I guess they will continue since it is part of their advertising and to let people know of their existence but rates per post might be a little lower than today.

I hope so as it helps those that want to earn as they post and this is the place for bitcoiners but then like you said there may be other mainstream places they could advertise but I would hope that this forum would still hold it's place as the number one place to go for everything bitcoin related.

i remember that the stunna campaign was there even at 600+ in price, so why not? maybe they will lower the earning massively, so in the end you will earn the same

if there are money to be made for them with the advertisement, rest assured that it will not end

Last time bitcoin hit $800+ there were still signature campaigns available, they just update their rates because of hyper deflation.

The only thing that will happen is the rates might get adjusted but as amph said PD were paying out when Bitcoin was at its peak and most campaigns don't raise their rates when the price falls either. If they're concerened about fluctuations they should just price the rates in a fixed fiat form.

It depends on whether the service that is willing to promote itself through signature campaigns is considering 1BTC to be worth 1BTC and not 1BTC to be worth $430. But even then, I do expect them to at least reduce pay rates by a maximum of 50% if the price is going near $800 or higher.

I think if signature like as Dice (Magicaldice, 777coin, etc) still get a many customer, that is still can giving offer earning that's same like without change of first price.

That's true, if btc prices go up then demand also will go up and it will attract more people to bitcoin related services and offers. So I don't this it will affect any of the signature campaign but at the max they may reduce the current pay per post price.

I just hope that campaign managers don't start behaving like real world people and that is cutting rates when price of Bitcoin is going up, and leaving rates intact when the price is going down! :)

We'll see but you never know!

I assume , if the campaign managers lower their rates , then those who are dependant upon only signature Campaign earnings,  they will lower their interest being active more.

This.

I assume these campaigns bring results to these companies, otherwise they would not run it. If they lower rates, people ll switch to something else so I do not expect any change unless BTC goes up big time. I mean really big time.

I supose that with bitcoin increasing to this levels, that they will lower the rates.  Some campaigns are adjusting now with price of bitcoin on 400 $ level.

If the funds will come from their own pocket ($$$) and not from the profits or sales (BTCBTCBTC) of the products/service being promoted, that's a problem, but if it comes from the sales (BTCBTCBTC), then there's no need to adjust. Just my opinion.

most of them will stop it because don't have huge budget for continue and some of them will still continue the signature campaign

but and i'm pretty sure they will decrease the pay rates more than 40%

Actually they won't stop it because they won't have any way to advertise their websites
The only thing that could happen is that they will lower their rewards just like what happen right now ::)
or maybe stopping the signature campaign and move on to social media campaign ;)

But in the end signature campaign won't completely gone from here because In my opinion signature campaigns bring most of the traffic to this website :P

They won't stop I guess. They can change rate to make it more fair for them just like they have said (I saw MD is already changing their rate prior to the price increase ) . Also why not give away some of the riches that they are getting from their services to those who are willing to advertise them?

But the value when convert to fiat is still the same. Technically they're earning are still the same. So why would someone be less interesting?

Hey guys , this is the latest example about what we are talking  here. Check out this topic of a signature Campaign. Topic link = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237314.0

They are now offering $0.20 ( 0.0004040 Btc / post to senior members ). Its all bcoz of bit coin prices went up.

bitcoin price dosent reflect if signature campaigns will go ON or OFF.
they will go ON as long as they (the advertiser) make money from them.

That's a nice idea to control the payrate at this kind of situation but then what if bitcoin has suddenly drop right on schedule of the sig. campaigns payout?

To my understanding all payments will be calculated to the price of btc at the time of payment with Magical Dice.

They still continued when Bitcoin went over $1000, in fact back then most of them did not cut back in an amount that was equal to the price rise of BTC so most people were still better off. That's just talking based on a historical perspective, people might be a bit more tight now. ;)

In old times, we knew how much bitcoin we would get in a week. Now we know how much USD we will get, but paid out in bitcoin, the value is uncertain.

In the next few weeks, if bitcoin price drop, we shall get more coins.

I also think advertisers will simply use google adsense like service after lot of people used to know and have some bitcoin. This have already started to happen with bitrefill doing excessive promotion in adsense in bitcoin niche sites (only one example). But this forum is first place to talk about bitcoin and have larger user base who have lots of bitcoin in their hand. Gambling sites will stick with bitcointalk signature campaign as they are not allowed on adsense and some other adnetworks.

A higher price indicates increased interest so it would be a daffy move to shut down whatever campaign you were running if interest surged. I'm surprised so many continued during the extended lull as I can't imagine much fresh meat was coming on board. As for rates, I assume many are paying out as they earn so there has to be a reflection in that if obtaining coins costs more.

Signature campaigns will continue till they can afford paying their members and it is irrespective of the price as they can easily set the price in terms of USD.  So till they earn profit from the posts, the BTC price doesn't matter. In fact Bit-x and other exchange websites who have their campaigns running would benefit if the price increases but they do need to keep adjusting rates per post from time to time.

Well adwords does allow gambling sites to advertise themselves on the network but they strictly control it. You'd have to apply a certain certification on gambling related content on them. Not to mention the country restrictions.

They have a beta program for non-casino games, like fantasy sports or even chess.

The fact that bitcoin casino sites directly earn bitcoin, I think some of them would be generous with their sig campaigns.

Well the recent price surge has given us the answers, campaigns will continue at no matter what price but  the rates will be decreased accordingly.

Almost all of the signature campaigns have decreased their rates after this current price surge.

When Bitcoin price hit up $800 or $8000 will come even more signature campaigns. Price reflects demand and popularity. The more people get interested in Bitcoin the more advertising will be profitable.

Its possible with more people interested in bitcoin, could create new companies on bitcoin ecosystem that need publicity and start new signature campaigns. But i expect lower rates.

This. I expect as bitcoin get's more popular the companies with a good history and reputation will no longer need to pay for signatures on forums as they'll get more free advertising just from word of mouth. I expect how well bitcoin signature campaigns pay will largely depend more on the popularity of bitcoin then the price. As bitcoin becomes more popular I think they'll shift to other means of advertising and as raimonn pointed out new companies will come on the scene looking for ways to expand their business. With all that said I think gambling sites will always have some sort of signature campaign presence on the site from the number of users I've seen claiming they gamble btc on a daily/weekly basis.

sadly to say but it is not working that way. and the others r getting hit as well even thought it is still dice website.

If it will continue, then campaigns will go to higher price then now !  :)

I think they will, if BTC gets too high, they might lower the payout instead.

They will be still here but with some sort of rate adjustments in which if the rates as result are not somehow fixed then I'm afraid it might even lead to some members spamming just so they can keep up with the rates before but if everything is fixed from start (ex. $0.20 per post in BTC) then no matter the change of bitcoin value, everything would stay the same and less chances of others spamming the forums at least....

i guess they still need the advertisement they need but like what the others say, they will either change to fiat payment or lower the btc payment accordingly cause they r on a tight budget. do take note that all these signature campagin is not a big company to begin with.

Signature campaigns are still effective when talking about advertising. Even if it goes above $1000, it would continue but the rates would be lowered and perhaps posts could be limited too. They wouldn't be gone anytime soon.

I think it will continue, but if btc price can reach up to $800 maybe some signature campaign will lowering their per post payment.
Actually when btc price on $1,200 on Nov 2013. Signature Campaign already run on bitcointalk.org

I see quite a lot forums which follow BTT signature campaign idea. But still here is the most trusted and uptodate place.
So i think in future signature campaign will keep continue. At least if not here, there will be another forum appear.

I don't think the fiat conversion matters. All the companies that have signature campaigns deal ONLY in bitcoin. They require bitcoin be used to pay for their services and they pay signature campaign participants in bitcoin. The fiat price doesn't matter!

There have been campaigns when BTC was at 800, why not if reaches 800 again?

Just don't ask about the rates in BTC

They were running at the same rates when Bitcoin was 1K
So at $800 yep they will still be going.

ha, yeah...that's a GREAT point. If they haven't changed since they came down from $1,000, they aren't going to change on the way back up (if we ever get there).

The biggest thing that will ruin signature campaigns is if users exploit the privilege and post bullshit, non-constructive posts. Let's keep the posts of a high quality - loose lips sink sigs!

Right now Bitcoin is still a new thing, the enthusiasm is genuine and childlike in nature, the energy that propagates through the Bitcoin crowd is predominantly positive. The time will eventually come when Bitcoiners become jaded and when this happens, greed will unavoidably seep into the mix.

Exactly they will continue because it is a part of their advertising . They are losing money due to increase of bitcoin price in terms of dollars , thats the first part that you are watching. From other hand they are also earning by their bitcoin services .

SO we have our answer - all the major campaigns have dropped their rates!

What a burn to all of us who spread the word about their business. The bitcoin economy has some positive days and they penalize us for it! Only in the bitcoin economy can employers CUT salaries when the value of the currency increases!?!?

Bitcoin won't be true to its adoption until the merchants and employers stop thinking about how much they're making in fiat and JUST think about their business in Bitcoin.

funny you say that, because the company youre advertising for, bit-x, is an exchange that, wait for it, not only deals with bitcoin, but fiat too. you know, because theyre an exchange. holy shit. ground breaking discovery. call the fucking news.
do feel free to take more than 3 seconds to think up of a reply before spamming next time. bitcoin doesnt rule the world right now, and weather you or these businesses like it or not, fiat currency will play a factor and impact their decision making.

now lets take a good look at that sig for the people that are incapable of reading:
https://i.gyazo.com/129a90c0d9fb4c0a483279b05750f5d7.pngholy
https://i.gyazo.com/c73a7c3b56be1a42a2f548e874c359f3.pngfucking
https://i.gyazo.com/5bf6d451e3c11ffe37b6cc7ff81fb179.pngshit
it has dollars, euros, and british pounds. theyre *gasp* not bitcoin. who wouldve guessed.

First of all, its not going to reach that value and the second thing is yes they will. Because they already will have bitcoin reserves whose value will likely go up.

Oh, but it will definitely reach 8000+ values, it's just a matter of time. But don't sweat about it too much, the only thing they will do is to lower the btc pay-per-post rate.
The exchanges and other services that run signature campaigns may have reserves, but they're not dumb to pay insane prices for advertisement.
There's an another thing that will happen if we continure climbing tho - the amount of services that are advertising will increase, in search for that new potential customers that come along with increased trending.

The signature campaigns will continue when the bitcoin price rises. But the pay rate will stay the same or higher in US dollar terms. The bitcoin rate will drop accordingly.

Have signature campaign rates ever gone up?

I've only seen them come down from when the USD/BTC price was $650 down to $200 and up to $400...the rates have only come down.

Thoughts?

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They will. Actually if the price goes so high more companies would come here to advertise, afterall this is basically like the official forum for bitcoins and it has a good amount of people. More poeple would come here too.

yeah maybe it will continue how high the btc will go but the campaigns will surely lowers the amount of btc per constructive post..

As long as they believe that advertise on bct bring benefit for their site,
They still will launch the sig campaign and adjust the rate lower if they must to

Well that question is easy, because they will always bring benefit to their site, since bitcointalk to them means 100% targeted customers.
In regards to rate adjustment - that happened before and will happen again, every time there's notable spike in bitcoin price, but USD rate stays about the same.

for me it is logical it will be more campaign but with lowerest price.
$800+ price will attract more bitcoin users, and campaign will have more benefit from advertising.
i see on one faucet, last couple days when price is dump, number of visitors increased for 30%

Higher Bitcoin price means a lower signature campaign reward. Not that difficult to imagine. It's also important to note that sites that generate their income 100% from BTC are less likely to decrease rewards once the price has gone up in the beginning.

There has already been a time when Bitcoin was at $800 and the campaigns still ran. Might add, at higher rates than some campaigns are currently trying to push on people. The sad thing is people accept the lower rates so other campaigns will do the same and chances are that they will not raise them when the price goes back to high $200's. They was quick to drop the rates, now we have lost $120+ from when rates were decreased and no increase in rates for said campaigns. Shame people allow it  :D

If bitcoin prices goes up then even more bitcoin related services will come and you may see more signature campaigns also. But surely you will get same $ values in coins when prices goes up. Last week couple signature campaign already reduce their pay per post prices based on bitcoin prices but in $ it may be same.

Not a nice idea. This is a bitcoin forum so it should be paid in BTC to show the meaning of what this place is.
As I mentioned in another thread, it is not the manager's decision for what the rates are that is up to the company that is paying them for organizing their advertising here.

i think they will be continue
last time i remember there are a lot of campaigns when btc was 800 dollar..

Yes signature will still continue maybe with a lower price per post.
It's the same system for the faucet, try to follow freebitcoin for example, they adjust every time the price of revenue by follow a minim of 0,002 $ for each click (500 satoshi so far actually ) but sometimes hit 300 satoshi or 1000 …following the price rail of btc.

I think they just adjust the price of the posts to reflect the price of bitcoin. The casinos and other services need customers.

There is no doubt that the signature campaigns will continue.
But there will be more mess like it was this week for most campaigns.
And of course the rates will be less but good enough when converting to usd.

Wow, you really got me there. Seriously, good point. But your sarcasm wasn't needed and it doesn't prove my point wrong (maybe think for 4 seconds before you reply with a rebuttal.)

My point still stands, the increase in the fiat conversion to bitcoin would not lead to these businesses shutting down or not getting the value out of this type of advertising. If anything their business should improve as that growth in price brings more attention (and hopefully users) to the currency.

One thing that that's still really shitty (but unrelated to the OP) is this past week's very short boost in price is the catalyst to cut payments to the people that are gathering their customers. It's bad business, but I guess these companies don't need to represent any loyalty to their advertisers.

They might, or they might go for the "MagicalDice" route. A certain amount in a fiat currency per post, so the payments aren't as volatile. Better and worse for us, can only be better for them. Ugh, I really hope BTC doesn't hit $800, or these first-world problems will come up.

Actually when btc used to reach the $1000 level signature campaign is still alive on this forum, even they are paying much higher than now :P
So i doubt signature campaigns will just gone like that, they still someone to promote their websites ::)
They will likely reduce their payouts, that's all nothing more ;)

Yes that is correct, if prices really go very high then pay per post in terms of dollars will be same but they will adjust bitcoin quantity accordingly otherwise it will be loss for them so even though bitcoin prices go more than 2000+ also these signature campaign will be there to get a customers for their services.

When do you think merchants will stop thinking of their gain or loss in terms of fiat?

People here talk about Bitcoin becoming "the world's currency"...that can never happen when everyone is anchoring their value of bitcoin in terms of what they can get for it when the sell it for fiat.

Perhaps we're all a bunch of hypocrites?