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The beginning of WW3 is about to start right now.

U.S. Brings Dogfighters to Counter Russians Over Syria (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/186000-2015-11-04-u-s-brings-dogfighters-to-counter-russians-over-syria.htm)


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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/03/u-s-brings-dogfighters-to-counter-russians-over-syria.html


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Spent billions on all of this hardware, might as well use it.

(tongue only slightly in cheek)

The US and Russia have sparred before.
Nothing special about Syria for it to degenerate into WW3.  :)

I am gonna put it this way: When WW3 starts, no one will even know, because next generation of WAR is not going to be ground fighting as everyone believes, it will be information and economy war, it won't start with big boom, that's how it will finish...but by then, it will be too late.

All wars revolve around a fight between good and evil. Most of the time the fighters don't realize that the REAL fight is between the forces of good and evil in the heavenly realms, and that the fight on earth is simply the earthly part of the good vs. evil fight.

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finally! When I hear about WW3 it always remind me this lyrics
DA!

Not that sure about it. A WW3 can be triggered by the events in Syria, although the chances for that happening is quite low. There can be many scenarios. A few of them are:

1. Russian fighter aircraft shot down by the Turks. Russia attacks Turkey, and NATO steps in to defend the latter.
2. Iranian fighters in Syria massacre Saudi Arabian Islamists. Saudi Arabia attacks Iran, and Russia steps in to push back the Saudis.
3. Assad attacks Israel with the help of Hezbollah and the Iranian Republican Guard. US sides with Israel and Russia sides with Assad.

Yeah gathering information and waiting for which side strikes first with a nuclear bomb... it will be devastating..

The world have had seen better days with less extremist regimes and governments..

I see no sign that Russia wants to fight with the US. They're both fighting the same enemy. They're not very good fighting together, like a team, but that doesn't mean they want to fight each other. The US, Russia and Israel are all against IS. Russia shows some support towards Assad, but he plays a second role here. If IS is crushed tomorrow, we would see US and Russia quickly going home.

We have been through the Cuban Missile Crisis and Korean Wars.
Sanity will prevail.  :)

It might be even starting from now on.

Mission Impossible movies and other intelligence versus intelligence would be a possible war.

^ economic and information war started some time ago. Or better it never stopped only increased with time.


Doubt it. American and russian interests aren't the same. And isis is only a part of the problem. And when do big powers go home instead of taking advantage of the situation to stay in control? Control of politics, economy, leaving bases, etc. And don't believe america and russia want to fight each other but air to air fighters aren't there because of isis.

Perhaps the OP article is wrong. Perhaps the U.S. is sending war-birds to Syria for reasons other than to protect American planes against Russian fighters.

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There's always been a war going on, goverments are looking for excuses.

Try to look at the bigger picture, there will always be people who want power, people who think differently than each other people who got their own opinion about how to world should be and they want it to be

Difference in opinion and rash decision making causes war

Absolutely true.

There are ways for getting out of paying taxes, so that you don't support a warmongers and their war if you don't want to. I wonder if it is easier in the U.S. or in Russia.

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You cant be sure. Usa is controlled by corporations who want usa to have perpetual wars to sell thier products.

So, they sell them to Russia at a better price, because Russia is poorer, and couldn't afford them otherwise.

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EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1239928.msg12916083#msg12916083

In that case, the corporations would not want to poke Russia, as there is a chance that the latter will retaliate, destroying these corporate powerhouses. So a better choice would be Iran or North Korea, or even Cuba. A war with Iran would be hugely beneficial for the corporations. They will be able to make trillions of USD in profit.

Ww3? You know spreading this kind of thing is bad for you and others. Ww3 not happenig because of un and world.

'Make No Mistake About It, This Is a War' (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/186152-2015-11-07-make-no-mistake-about-it-this-is-a-war.htm)

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http://www.thenation.com/article/make-no-mistake-about-it-this-is-a-war/


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This is the most laughable argument I've heard against the probability of a WW3. Are you really saying that a third world war will not occur, just because the United Nations exist? So where was the UN when the United States bombed the shit out of Serbia in 1999? Where was the UN when the US invaded Iraq in 2003? The UN is just another powerless body.

Nah its just a skirmish to boost the military industry and test out new fancy weapons.

Nobody wants WW3 and they would never escalate it that much.

Really? Tell me, what is the US interest in Syria? Eradicating ISIS? I don't think so.
The President has decided that toppling Assad is America's vital interest. He is attempting to use ISIS and other rebel groups to achieve this end. Putin is overtly supporting his ally by attacking ISIS and other groups.

Stated another way, Obama thinks getting rid of Assad is worth: allying the US with Syrian rebels, pretending to fight ISIS, and risking a war with Russia. Do you agree?

Do both events start ww3? no.

Exactly. This forum is full of morons who think WW3 won't happen just because someone doesn't want it.
They don't have anything backing up their claims. Just spamming over and over again "cockroaches will win" bullshit.

Bombing Serbia and Iraq might not trigger WW3. But what about bombing Iran or the North Korea? What about nuking Russia or China? If the Americans can bomb Serbia, what stops them from doing the same to either Russia or China? All you need is a lunatic warmonger as the president and another loony as the Chief of Staff of the United States Army.

No. This is not practically correct. This is not a logically answer to my question in reply tp yours.

Problem is many situations escalate faster than people expect. No one planned ww1 or ww2. But once the conditions existed for it no one could stop the wars. The un is controlled by the powerful nations. Mainly the us. And it's these nations that start the wars so the un can't do anything against them. And other countries individually are to weak to do anything. And then companies that profit from war buy politicians to help them make more money. So more incentive to start new wars. This can end with another large war.

Acrually they did. Hitler planned ww2 at least 10 years back.

And ww1 was probably planned too by Austria, or atleast the tensions were too high that everybody knew that war was inevitable.


These wars don't just happen instantaneously, if you look carefully you can forecast them easily 10-15 years before.



Now I`m sure with Nukes and modern economy, nobody wants a world war anymore, because all countries are now import based from China. If China is attacked, every economy on Earth collapses.

in the present day world, i couldnt really say that the current international tensions would result in a third world war anytime soon, but its not wrong to say that the tensions from the various problems all over the world are in general, increasing, which leaves up the possibility for a third world war in the future. not sure i worded that the best, but i think it gets the point across, sort of.
now, with nuclear weapons in the picture, of course, no one really wants to end 95% of life on earth, but if one were to break out, a fallout game-esque world in the future might be possible. as for the china issue, there's nothing for a country / nation to fear if there arent any others left to sanction them or whatever, the world would be a wasteland by the end of the first bombings.

most of the countries are in total mess , but I will discuss your points
1- Turkey will never try to shot down a Russian Fighter , they have their own troubles right now and they don't want to make troubles with Russia in this way
2- Saudis who are fighting in Syria are terrorists , the only reason for Saudis to fight in Syria is based on religion and this is considered as terrorism
3- at this point Syria will never attack Israel , Syrian army is fighting inside and I don't think that President Al-Assad will think about any war before the internal war end

Ok so let's see a hypothetical scenario of NATO vs BRICS.

Did you know that more countries import from China? Yes back in ww1 and ww2 all countries were almost self-sufficient except for oil in ww2.

Now what? You dont even have damn farmlands for fruits & vegetables, most of them are grown in tropic/subtropic countries and imported to big economies.

Big economies like Germany,UK, USA all rely on massive imports: cheap labour, raw materials, oil, products, etc..

They are in no condition to fight a war, and if they dont use nukes, then the war could last hundreds of years. But their economy will implode in like 2.


Impossible.


And BRICS doesn't want a war. So there will be no WW3.

Austria didn't plan a world war. There were many wars in the region for several years before ww1. The year before, 2 years before, etc. And it was like that in many other places in europe too. But no one predicted that last war would affect so many countries. Not sure about hitler planning a world war either. But don't know about that for sure.


Don't believe this is true. England was always dependent on its colonies for example. Maybe one of the main reasons for germany to expanded to the east was to get farmland. To be self sufficient without depending on trade or colonies. Japan did the same thing for farmland and other resources. Countries are more interdependent today but they weren't self sufficient then.

When the Economy is getting very bad, politicians try to find excuses for it.

When the Economy is doing well and the State is raking more taxes, it grows the State and States make wars

Yes Austria always wanted to conquer Serbia back then so war was most likely inevitable, it was a royal dispute that went back decades between different royal houses. What they didnt calculate that was the other superowers would join, because they wanted a piece of something too. They just needed a trigger, because they already wanted war.

In ww2 hitler wanted to expand germany and its influences from the start, and you can hardly do that without war. It's not like you ask the soviets nicely and they will give you land.


Yea but put things in perspective what did they import from colonies: Exotic tree, minerals, exotic fruits and vegetables, silk, and other luxury items.

Yes they were precious but they are not critical to their economy.


But now if you cutoff the coal or oil imports literally all countries are fucked because their entire economy collapses. Not to mention about food and vegetable.

Hardly any countries have agriculture left, its all imported from those that specialize in it. What will those people eat? Bread and water?

The Pope has called the Paris attacks World War III

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/14/pope-francis-calls-paris-attacks-piece-of-a-piecem/

He should make it in the form of a Papal Bull. Then all the members of the Church would have to agree. And, WW3 would actually have come and gone without all the disaster spoken about in this thread.

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Now they have the excuse for a war, we'd very likely to see a big war coming days. Stock food at your houses. We'll see worse days.

In my opinion, WW 3 started right after WW II, with ''cold war'' between USA and Russia, USSR at that time.
We had luck that this war didn't become ''hot'' or real war and now I think we have WW 4, between radical Islam and Western world.

My understanding is similar to this. The difference that I might have is the dividing line between WW3 and WW4.

There will come a time when Jesus will return and fight evil, with force this time. The question I have is, will there be a great enough difference in between the time of your "cold war," and the war that Jesus fights, to say that the in-between is WW4, and that the war of Jesus is WW5?

It matters to me. I wish all this fighting didn't have to be. But it is prophesied in the Bible. So, it will take place. Our arbitrary divisions between the battles and the wars will be completely unimportant when Jesus finally ushers in peace. It and He are coming soon.

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So you agree with me. None of them planned a world war unlike what you said at first. They wanted to expand and things got out of control like I started saying in the other post: Problem is many situations escalate faster than people expect.



England wasn't importing only luxury items from its colonies. Where did you get that from? A large part of the food came from abroad. And many resources for its industry. It was never that self sufficient. That's why one of the german tactics was to cut britain off from outside with the u boats. It restricted its industry and threatened to starve the population.

Well they didnt planned a world war but they did plan some what because otherwise they could not get those lands.



Hmm thats interesting. Anyway, food can be replaced theoretically fast. With some rationing first years and then quick development of agriculture they could have rebuilt their food industry in a few years.

Any country can do that today.


But without coal and oil, they freeze to death, no electricity, and no transportation. A fatal blow to any war.

WW1 was lost because the germans rioted from shitty wages and slave labour in the ammo and gun factories. They had massive amount of soldiers, they could have easily won the war in 1918, but they lose because the factory workers started rioting and made no more ammo.

So if you mess up the population, doesnt matter how big an army you have, you will lose the war.

It is not funny guys wars in the past was caused by far less important events. World War 3 could be a reality if some mistakes are made.
Let's hope that superpower nations are aware that War between them will probably mean the end of the world as mass destruction weapona will be used.

It's a dirty job but someones gotta do it, right?

I am prepared ;)

so many cans, not one opener...

well, it's already started for in the Arab world, I see children dying everyday, millions have died since 2011 up until now from big guys trying to help, who cares? do not worry, USA, Russia and big countries are not brave enough to attack each others all over again, they are just playing their propaganda like before, they just pour that anger on us ^^ keep on watching TV, I can see the truth on ground.

Bravery has nothing to do with attacks between Russia and USA. To suggest it is nothing more than false logic, 'they dont have the balls to attack eachother so they attack us', or you believe in fairytales. Either way you refuse to see the truth: the desert is to the allies what Francos Spain before WWII was to the Germans: a testing ground.

The future belongs to the West and Russia is part of that West. We will kill off all desertcults, except one ofcourse :), and develope our society to a state where USA and Russia once again battle, but only in the hockey rinks.

Good point, thanks for enlightenment, we might have different views but still causalities are the victims, because army knows that death is possible and agree to fight but regular people don't, people don't want this war over their heads, so they better take it somewhere else, maybe on top of USA or Russia ;).

That's kinda along the same line of argumentation: Dead civilians are more sad than dead soldiers because soldiers are paid to die? Casualties are victims yes but to me it's an overstatement of the fact: any victim is a victim. Is it sadder to see the truth die rather than a civilian? I don't know...


"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire according to Hall.

Nicely said, I agree with you that the truth could be more important, victims happens, if the truth live victims may be lower in the long run, I just hope they find that truth with minimum victims, I just wish for the whole world to be in piece and for people to stop revenge and fighting, there is more important things on earth to take care of at the moment.

I think we can all agree on that one and we' re in the same camp when it comes to mimimizing suffering, for anyone.

A real Sunday-realization :)

Hi,

WW3 in the conventional sense is highly likely and if it includes the major world powers it is certain to lead to mutually assured destruction especially if nukes are used.

The war will simply be a regional war using proxies as nations have too much to lose if they seriously use all there might in all forms of warfare

Thanks

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The world war 3 is already started when USA i.e. CIA and MOSSAD create ISIS so they can start the war on the Middle East. They start the war so they can earn money and kill innocent people. They make the world to think that muslims are the bad guys and they has to be destroyed. So sad...

Instead to teach them what is right and what is wrong, they make them go in war against each other so they can sit on the other site and watch. Bravo USA! You create the the terror and now you will be our saviors! Please, when this will over do not think that the world will be grateful to you or Russia maybe, because people are no more blind like before and already know what is happening.

highly likely in 2015 ? 2016 by 2020 ?

i dont think thats the start of a third world war in my opinion the relationship between the strongest world countries is still better than it was before the first and second world wars im feeling pretty confident that there might not be such big war for a while though its just my opinion

This might be true but we don't talk any more about ''cold war'' and ideological conflict between East and West but we have religious and civilization conflict between Christian and Islam world.
It seems that more and more young Muslims in the West don't accept values in our society, feel isolated and become more open to radical Islam propaganda.
Even some Western politicians fear that multicultural society is death.
If ISIS or some similar terrorist organization find or produce weapons for mass destruction, we will have World war.

 

There is an ideological conflict. But it is not strictly one between the Muslims and the Christians. For example, the Sunni Muslims are fighting against the Shiite Muslims (Lebanon, Syria, Yemen.etc). Then you have the Catholics and the Evangelicals fighting against the Orthodox Christians (Ukraine, Serbia, Bosnia.etc). And a Catholic-Sunni-Protestant-Jewish axis is being formed, to counter the Shiite-Orthodox Christian axis.

Yet these are not religious conflicts. The religions themselves stand aloof and do not fighting.

These are fights between people who think that they interpret the religions correctly, even though their interpretations are different. You can tell because, nobody has exactly the same interpretation that anybody else has... from every single person to the next. Yet there are groups of people who get together because they think that they have the same understanding of their religion.

So, it is retarded people who fight, not retarded religions.

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The perfect example why separation of churc and state is needed.

Then you also want to educate people from young age about critical thinking and rational decisions. The current public school system sucks.

Although religion and spirituality is ok,  people should not have all their lives orbiting around it, they should be able to put them aside when needed.

And especially keep it private, after all your beliefs are your personal thing, and should not be used as a weapon against others.