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even ToTheMoonGuy joined another subreddit.

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Playing dirty is not the answer especially if everyone in the world can see what you're doing. The more people that you piss off online, the more trouble is going to come your way one day or another. I would not be surprised if someone started DDoS-ing Coinbase for this idiotic behavior. The behavior, and the story behind XT seems worse to me everyday. Even if we disregard the bad implementations and Mike's love for dictatorship, something is wrong. Also it is obvious now what you're trying to do here; stop making threads in the wrong section. If I recall correctly, there's a similar thread in Meta already.

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Correct. He's not threatening anyone.

I think this hypothesis was largely taken out of context.

There's no point in exaggerating topic titles, everyone who reads what this is all about will clearly see that theymos isn't talking about baning anyone, but rather
about not allowing non-bitcoin topics in r/bitcoin and on this forum outside altcoin section, where it belongs either way. It's up to coinbase where they will end up.

This is really not a professional behaviour from Theymos. He uses his position (as a media owner) to force his ideas about bitcoin's future.
Who is to decide which BIP to be applied? certainly not theymoss. As a media owner he should leave some space about discussion and not remove ppl with different idea from the discussion.

We criticize the media because of there "a priori" position about bitcoin, he is doing just the same.

This is a private forum, don't spread your bullshit here.

Being private doesn't mean having no responsability.
He can do whatever he wants in his private forum but he might end up alone aswell.

Coinbase is a joke -- they can't decide if they want to be a WALLET or an EXCHANGE.

What kind of exchange shuts down your account for activities such as using localbitcoin or buying cheaper BTC on one exchange to sell to this one?

Coinbase wants to police everyone.

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Another XT propaganda account? Welcome to the list. Theymos has never said that he does not allow discussion of BIP101 and/or other ideas. He has always allowed them. Theymos has said that he is disallowing the promotion of XT, which is the right thing to do. XT != Bitcoin until the moment that it reaches 99% consensus; no matter from which angle you view it, it won't change. This is not professional behavior from you. This is a privately owned forum. Looks like only a few people can grasp what this really means.

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This is why they support XT, i.e. Hearn. They're going to implement blacklisting one way or another.

I cannot believe that we are starting again with this discussion. I guess that the price of Bitcoin has gone way to high and now we need to lower it again with the new round of this endless crap!

Ugghh...  I can't believe this discussion is still going on.

Would the jerk offs please piss off out of the bitcoin community?  Mike and Gavin, go start an alt-coin or something.  Leave us alone.

Not only he disallow the promotion on his own private forum but also he prohibits other to express different view outside of it using threats. ( just read OP)
This is not professional.
The difference between theymoss and me is that i am nobody and he is a media owner. He has some kind of moral responsibility.

Also there is no need of personal attack this is ridiculous i was on this forum long before you...

This being a privately owned forum, he has no obligation to do anything for anyone. Just because he lets you play here, that does not mean that he has an obligation to fulfill any of your demands. I've read this twice, this is not a threat. As I previously said, expressing views != promoting. If you are going to run a depth in technical discussion of BIP101, then be my guest. If you are going to come saying e.g. "BIP 101 is great"; "BIP101 best", etc. then you are going to get what you deserve.

Such personal attack.  ::) The date of registration is worthless.

I've read a lot of complaints from users over the years about the sketchy shit that Coinbase has been pulling. I'd sooner trust Big Vern with my money and that says a lot.

The stern words for Armstrong in regards to BIP101 were definitely in order here.

There is nothing wrong here. XT is an altcoin and altcoin discussion belongs to altcoin sections. If you want to promote altcoins you have to do that in altcoin subreddits.

You are right this is not a legal obligation.  The word you miss is "moral". Now you don't have to say hello to anybody, hands the door or let old ppl go first.

I am going to rephrase what theymos says in op as you have trouble to find out where is the threat. He says that if Coinbase promotes BIP101 on coinbase.com, he might restrict coinbase to the altcoin section. Is that simple enough to understand?

How many post have i read here about unprofessional journalist because they only promote the dark side of bitcoin? Isn't that the same kind of behaviour? they have their idea, they don't care so much about what other think.


Also as you seem to have problem understanding me, the personal attack is when you imply i am a propaganda account... It's been 4 years i am following bitcoin, i might have different idea than yours, maybe than most but there wouldn't be any bitcoin if we always follow mainstream idea . And i agree this doesn't mean that different idea is better idea either, it just mean that it is very important to let other express their ideas....

Not another of this thread. Bitcoin XT= altcoin, and promotion of a service trading and promoting an altcoin belongs in the Altcoin section, and theymos hasn't said anything about banning anything on the forum, its only reddit that he's talking about AFAIK.

I made an assumption, not a conclusion. In other words, this is not something that would qualify as a personal attack.

You call on morality? So it was moral to try an take over Bitcoin by force, but it is not moral to restrict promotion of something that is not Bitcoin on Bitcoin grounds? This is contradictory. As I've already said, you are allowed to discuss pretty much any idea properly. You are not allowed to promote a hostile takeover. End of story. Swim or sink.

you're welcome :)

Did you yourself read the post you're quoting? Lemme bold that part for you.

Oh and just for public knowledge, we all know how biased LitecoinGuy is in this topic, maybe his Moderator position in forum.bitcoin.com is affecting his biased opinions?

Bolded the important part :)
Not banned but in the dustbin looks the same to me

Man are we seriously continuing this discussion? I said theymos is not banning anything on the forum, but only restricting it to altcoin section, which is != a ban.

forum.bitcoin.com - the place where random people get Global Moderator rank after a very small period of time.   ::)

Either he doesn't get it due to being ignorant, or he's refusing to get it. Giving something a place in the altcoin section is anything but a ban. If there was a ban or any sort of censorship, we would not be even having this discussion.

Yes you are right, not banned, in the dustbin alt section. pretty much the same.

Well they should think about their decision then, bitcointalk is a private forum + they are promoting an altcoin, at least theymos is as generous as to not ban them. Anyways , seems you are mistaking a ban , ban= when you(and all your accounts in bitcointalk) are not allowed to post anymore.

So you agree theymoss uses his position to "threaten"?
maybe you will not call it a threat but how then?

He is not threatening, if a thread/post is not relevant to the board its moderated, coinbase is becoming a service promoting altcoin namely XT which is why any related posts/thread should be moderated.

Look, it's obvious why any comments made by theymos on this matter are downvoted quickly. The Bitcoin community unfortunately has a large quantity of cryptoanarchists and anarchists in general who believe that the global financial system is going to collapse in 28 days and that if you delete anything you are clearly just part of the NSA and trying to implement censorship. And then it just descends into circlejerking.

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Sorry but I don't see any kind of threatening here.
Theymos is simply doing what any moderator should do in r/bitcoin (same goes in btctalk) and I see that he gave a clear explanation, dunno why people always understood: don't sing in the math classroom as the principal threatening to ban you from the school , you only have to sing in the proper class!

"I don't go there, it must just be trash". Nice logic there friend.
So, glub0x, should all SHA-256 altcoins be out of the alt section? I mean, they're essentially clones of the same coin with a different name, just like Bitcoin XT.
If I make an alt called Bitcoin 2, can that be on bitcointalk or r/bitcoin? No. Why should Bitcoin XT be any different?

They have a section on cryptoanarchy. They literally have a section on cryptoanarchy.

I'm sorry, it's so obvious that we're going to be seeing brigading, though that goes both ways.

Erm although I agree with you guys, lets not make take it personally against him, he is probably offering his opinion and well one thing about opinions is they are hard to change.
And we should discuss this on a single thread, seems another one just popped up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240236.0
P.S: Erm couldn't get(understand) that(second sentence).

Brigading covers things like spam downvoting someone for trying to state their opinion.

This whole situation is just ridiculous and blown out of proportions. Squabbling like little children. Brigading. Insulting. Circlejerking.

Jesus.

You think that xt & BIP101 ( this is about both and there is a difference) is an altcoin. It is your right i will not argue with you.
BUT there is ppl thinking otherwise. They might be wrong but this is a place of expression and i belive that there is some kind of moral obligation to that goes to theymoss to not use his power to enforce the way community decide what is the future.
That doesn't mean that he can't personally express on the matter.

Now if you can't see the difference between one guy thinking his bitcoin 2 program is the same than XT or worse than BIP 101, there is no point in all this...

Also i make the difference between taking public position and moderating absurd continuous spamming (whether about XT or anything elese) which is not doing coinbase, they are just taking a public position that Theymoss to disagree with.

Implying that anyone cares what they think (case specific, not general rule) about XT? Wrong. Obviously if you put aside the XT promoters/shills and a small group of neutral people, nobody really gives a damn what Hearn says or thinks. XT is a attempt at a hostile takeover, ergo not Bitcoin, ergo altcoin. I've previously posted this several times:
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That means we're showing XT promoters the way out, and nobody gives a damn what they think.

I don't believe I said anything insulting against him, though if I did please have my apologies.

theymos wouldn't be stopping the community talking about it, though he would be stopping the community talking about it where it isn't on topic to do so. The alt boards and other subreddits would be still available to talk about BIP 101 and Bitcoin XT without theymos being able to edit or remove posts.

I can't say that I see much difference between XT and what a 'Bitcoin 2' would be. AFAIK XT is just trying to 'improve' on the bitcoin source and change things about it. This means that it isn't Bitcoin, similar to what a Bitcoin 2 would be. This may just be due to misinformation on my part though.

i FULLY support theymos in this action. biggest business or not, its not bitcoin itself and there are many alternatives to coinbase.  i think there will be many things tried to force on bitcoin from "economic" pressure as time goes on.  this is not the last attempt to try and hijack the blockchain by business, government, other developers, etc and the next ones will apply more and more pressure.   

we need to keep cool and always remember to protect decentralized bitcoin.

I concur. Once Bitcoin loses such a important aspect as decentralization, it can be seen as dead (considering what it was intended to do). With dead I'm not saying that nobody is going to be using it, but that it would not be much (or any) different than a blockchain ledger owned by a single bank (or multiple banks). From the moment that I'm unable to run my own node without paying a fortune (the costs right now are very low), I'm quitting Bitcoin and so should you (every reasonable person which is (hopefully) not deluded).

Maybe if we fork bitcoin another 20x the price will come down to a sensible amount /s.


Okay, Theymos is being immoral, now what? Use the site or don't, agree with the moderation policies or don't.

The situation has been blown out of proportion and now the circlejerking on reddit is bringing us dangerously close to a situation where we're going to allow the big businesses in bitcoin to make the decisions about it. We are walking a fine line between decentralisation and centralisation of the decision-making.

I can appreciate the fact that theymos is actually standing up for what makes sense in terms of the bitcoin protocol.
XT and BIP101 would be a very unfortunate thing to see take place and I pray that this doesn't become the case.

Most of these companies only care about a quick buck.

I think its a fair statement though. If they somehow can affect the growth of bitcoin community, then it must be fair to simply have restrictions the community wont find coinbase helpful. What's good for them is where they better stick, after all they started with bitcoin.